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A31449 Vindiciae vindiciarum, or, A further manifestation of M.J.C., his contradictions instanced in Vindiciae clavium being a rejoinder to his reply (to some few of those many contradictions) in his last book called, The way of Congregationall churches cleared, part 2 / by D.C. Cawdrey, Daniel, 1588-1664. 1651 (1651) Wing C1641; ESTC R23919 36,878 62

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7._o cap._n 32._o sect_n 1._o and_o d._n ames_n by_o name_n have_v define_v this_o church_n to_o be_v caetus_fw-la hominum_fw-la vocatorum_fw-la fidelium_fw-la vel_fw-la caetus_fw-la eorum_fw-la qui_fw-la sunt_fw-la in_o christo_fw-la &c_n &c_n of_o this_o same_o church_n which_o can_v be_v only_o the_o particular_a church_n he_o say_v it_o be_v visibilis_fw-la in_o suis_fw-la partibus_fw-la and_o in_o the_o former_a chapter_n sect._n last_o ecclesia_fw-la nunquam_fw-la planè_fw-la desinit_fw-la esse_fw-la visibilis_fw-la the_o church_n catholic_a of_o that_o he_o speak_v never_o whole_o cease_v to_o be_v visible_a 2._o the_o catholic_a church_n which_o they_o dispute_v against_o be_v in_o the_o romish_a sense_n a_o catholic_a roman_a church_n animate_v by_o the_o pope_n as_o a_o head_n and_o by_o catholic_a officer_n actual_o in_o a_o subordination_n as_o a_o political_a body_n but_o this_o we_o deny_v as_o well_o as_o they_o we_o take_v it_o only_o for_o the_o whole_a multitude_n 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there_o be_v not_o any_o particular_a church_n on_o earth_n but_o may_v be_v upon_o just_a occasion_n contra-ditinguished_n from_o the_o kingdom_n of_o glory_n it_o may_v be_v so_o but_o very_o improper_o and_o with_o respect_n to_o the_o whole_a church_n on_o earth_n but_o what_o be_v this_o to_o the_o text_n or_o objection_n the_o question_n be_v not_o what_o may_v be_v elsewhere_o but_o what_o be_v the_o meaning_n in_o this_o text_n it_o say_v not_o whatever_o thou_o shall_v bind_v in_o a_o particular_a congregation_n but_o in_o earth_n that_o be_v the_o visible_a church_n on_o earth_n as_o vvn_n to_o the_o world_n here_o 1._o see_v the_o key_n pag._n 2._o s_o 1._o and_o the_o kingdom_n of_o glory_n above_o and_o beside_o he_o that_o be_v bind_v in_o any_o particular_a church_n be_v bind_v in_o all_o the_o church_n on_o earth_n and_o so_o the_o
have_v receive_v all_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n formal_o and_o may_v administer_v they_o without_o any_o officer_n which_o be_v worse_o than_o brownism_n but_o i_o have_v distinguish_v above_o when_o the_o church_n be_v say_v to_o receive_v the_o key_n subjectiuè_v it_o may_v be_v mean_v either_o immediate_o herself_o without_o officer_n or_o mediate_o by_o and_o in_o her_o officer_n and_o i_o illustrate_v it_o by_o the_o body_n natural_a as_o sight_n be_v immediate_o trust_v with_o the_o eye_n as_o the_o next_o subject_n of_o it_o but_o mediate_o with_o the_o body_n in_o the_o first_o sense_n you_o can_v say_v the_o church_n be_v the_o immediate_a subject_n of_o the_o keys●_fw-mi for_o then_o she_o may_v immediate_o administer_v they_o all_o without_o officer_n as_o i_o say_v in_o the_o latter_a sense_n it_o be_v nothing_o to_o your_o purpose_n for_o then_o as_o fight_n be_v entrust_v with_o the_o eye_n first_o for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o body_n so_o the_o key_n be_v entrust_v with_o the_o officer_n for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n 22._o par_fw-fr 2._o pag._n 22._o the_o body_n be_v not_o first_o entrust_v with_o sight_n to_o convey_v it_o to_o the_o eye_n nor_o be_v the_o key_n commit_v first_o to_o the_o church_n to_o convey_v they_o to_o the_o officer_n you_o say_v afterward_o if_o christ_n have_v give_v they_o pastor_n etc._n etc._n to_o the_o church_n the_o church_n be_v the_o recipient_a subject_n of_o they_o as_o if_o the_o eye_n be_v give_v to_o the_o body_n the_o body_n be_v the_o recipient_a subject_n of_o it_o all_o this_o be_v true_a in_o a_o sense_n the_o officer_n be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n as_o the_o immediate_a recipient_a subject_n of_o they_o but_o be_v our_o question_n of_o the_o officer_n or_o of_o the_o key_n we_o say_v the_o key_n be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n both_o objectiuè_fw-la for_o its_o good_a with_o reference_n to_o the_o brethren_n and_o subjectiuè_fw-la with_o reference_n to_o the_o officer_n yea_o subjectiuè_fw-la to_o the_o church_n as_o the_o subject_n of_o the_o officer_n that_o be_v mediate_o but_o not_o subjectiuè_v as_o the_o immediate_a subject_n of_o the_o key_n your_o comparison_n be_v ill_o lay_v you_o shall_v have_v instance_a in_o the_o sight_n that_o resemble_v the_o key_n not_o in_o the_o eye_n itself_o the_o body_n be_v the_o immediate_a subject_n of_o the_o eye_n but_o the_o eye_n of_o the_o sight_n so_o the_o church_n be_v the_o immediate_a subject_n of_o the_o pastor_n etc._n etc._n but_o the_o pastor_n be_v the_o immediate_a subject_n of_o the_o key_n and_o this_o as_o i_o have_v often_o say_v be_v evident_a in_o the_o text_n in_o hand_n for_o christ_n do_v not_o say_v i_o give_v to_o the_o church_n the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n or_o the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n that_o be_v of_o itself_o but_o i_o give_v to_o thou_o peter_n the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n that_o be_v of_o the_o church_n not_o the_o least_o colour_n here_o of_o give_v the_o key_n to_o the_o church_n etc._n ibid._n pag._n 23._o material_n of_o a_o church_n etc._n etc._n pag._n 27._o see_v pag._n ●0_n when_o the_o proposition_n etc._n etc._n but_o i_o desire_v you_o will_v consider_v your_o inconstancy_n and_o the_o inconsistency_n of_o your_o assertion_n you_o say_v present_o after_o the_o last_o word_n cite_v pastor_n etc._n etc._n be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n as_o integrall_a part_n of_o the_o church_n as_o the_o church_n be_v totum_fw-la integrale_fw-la then_o say_v i_o they_o be_v not_o give_v to_o the_o church_n as_o mere_a adjunct_n nor_o do_v the_o church_n receive_v they_o as_o the_o subject_n of_o they_o and_o that_o upon_o your_o own_o reason_n for_o integrall_a part_n be_v intrinsical_v and_o essential_a to_o a_o totum_fw-la integrale_fw-la and_o not_o extrinsecall_v as_o the_o object_n be_v to_o a_o thing_n integrall_a part_n be_v not_o subject_n and_o adjunct_n one_o to_o another_o but_o you_o say_v when_o i_o write_v that_o proposition_n in_o the_o first_o word_n of_o the_o way_n it_o be_v not_o then_o in_o my_o mind_n to_o understand_v any_o other_o but_o a_o congregation_n of_o believer_n with_o officer_n for_o i_o speak_v of_o such_o a_o church_n whereof_o peter_n be_v one_o and_o he_o be_v a_o officer_n 1._o whatever_o be_v in_o your_o mind_n i_o know_v not_o but_o the_o word_n hold_v out_o rather_o a_o congregation_n of_o believer_n without_o officer_n and_o so_o that_o acute_a and_o judicious_a m._n ruth_n understand_v you_o 1._o the_o way_n p._n 1._o as_o well_o as_o i_o for_o you_o say_v there_o the_o church_n to_o which_o christ_n have_v commit_v the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n the_o power_n of_o bind_v and_o lose_v the_o table_n and_o seal_n of_o his_o covenant_n and_o mark_n that_o the_o officer_n and_o censure_n of_o the_o church_n be_v a_o communion_n of_o saint_n etc._n etc._n but_o can_v the_o officer_n be_v commit_v to_o the_o church_n with_o officer_n and_o do_v not_o you_o common_o distinguish_v saint_n or_o believer_n from_o officer_n when_o you_o say_v pastor_n be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n and_o the_o church_n be_v the_o recipient_a subject_n of_o they_o must_v not_o the_o church_n be_v take_v then_o for_o a_o company_n of_o saint_n without_o officer_n 2._o in_o your_o present_a defence_n you_o understand_v it_o all_o along_o of_o a_o church_n without_o officer_n or_o i_o understand_v you_o not_o 3._o when_o you_o add_v that_o you_o speak_v of_o such_o a_o church_n whereof_o peter_n be_v one_o and_o he_o be_v a_o officer_n you_o vary_v the_o sense_n and_o word_n of_o the_o proposition_n for_o there_o you_o say_v the_o church_n to_o which_o christ_n commit_v the_o power_n etc._n etc._n be_v a_o company_n of_o such_o as_o whereof_o peter_n be_v one_o believer_n profess_v that_o faith_n etc._n etc._n mark_v that_o one_o believer_n not_o one_o officer_n and_o elsewhere_o you_o say_v the_o be_v key_n commit_v to_o peter_n not_o as_o a_o apostle_n or_o elder_n that_o be_v not_o as_o a_o officer_n but_o as_o a_o believer_n how_o these_o thing_n agree_v i_o see_v not_o yet_o you_o will_v defend_v it_o grant_v that_o sense_n they_o have_v receive_v some_o part_n of_o the_o key_n formal_o etc._n etc._n of_o which_o we_o have_v speak_v before_o and_o refer_v you_o thither_o only_o i_o shall_v observe_v your_o similitude_n for_o illustration_n of_o your_o assertion_n the_o stock_n of_o the_o vine_n grow_v from_o the_o root_n have_v not_o immediate_a power_n to_o bring_v forth_o grape_n yet_o have_v power_n to_o produce_v branch_n which_o do_v bring_v forth_o grape_n so_o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n of_o believer_n though_o they_o have_v not_o immediate_a power_n of_o rule_n authoritative_o to_o dispense_v the_o word_n or_o to_o administer_v sacrament_n at_o all_o yet_o they_o have_v a_o power_n to_o produce_v such_o officer_n as_o may_v perform_v the_o same_o but_o i_o fear_v your_o similitude_n do_v deceive_v you_o do_v the_o brethren_n immediate_o give_v that_o power_n to_o the_o officer_n which_o they_o have_v not_o formal_o in_o themselves_o 3._o epist_n to_o key_n pag._n 3._o do_v not_o the_o officer_n receive_v their_o power_n immediate_o from_o christ_n or_o his_o apostle_n who_o have_v that_o power_n formal_o in_o themselves_o have_v not_o your_o praefacer_n to_o the_o key_n tell_v we_o that_o yourself_o lie_v this_o fundamental_a maxim_n that_o look_v whatever_o power_n or_o right_v any_o of_o the_o possessor_n and_o subject_n thereof_o may_v have_v they_o have_v it_o each_o alike_o immediate_o in_o respect_n of_o a_o mediation_n of_o delegation_n or_o dependence_n on_o each_o other_o from_o christ_n and_o so_o be_v each_o the_o first_o subject_n of_o that_o power_n which_o be_v allot_v to_o they_o but_o now_o you_o make_v the_o officer_n to_o depend_v immediate_o upon_o the_o church_n of_o believer_n and_o to_o derive_v their_o power_n from_o they_o by_o mediation_n or_o delegation_n as_o the_o branch_n 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