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A95897 The schismatick sifted. Or, The picture of Independents, freshly and fairly washt-over again. Wherein, the sectaries of these times (I mean, the principall seducers to that dangerous and subtile schisme of Independency) are with their own proper pensils, and self-mixed colours, most lively set forth to be a generation of notorious dissemblers and sly deceivers. Collected (for the most part) from undeniable testimonies under their own hands, in print; for the more fair and full satisfaction, and undeceiving of moderate and much misled Christians; especially by the outward appearance of their piety of life, and a pretence of their preaching sound-doctrine. / By John Vicars. Vicars, John, 1579 or 80-1652. 1646 (1646) Wing V326; Thomason E341_8; ESTC R200902 40,154 51

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and surmises of Presbyterians touching all these the Independents seeming miscarriages namely that all this which I have hitherto urged against them as subtilties and deceivable Errors Schismes or Enormities they finely and fairly call and count Glorious New-Lights and rare-Revelations And hence it is they will assure you that at the first they told us in their Apologeticall Narration that they would positively determine nothing in their Church way or Church-Government but forsooth wait in expectation still of New-Light and so keep a Reserve to help themselves at a dead lift for so are Mr. Burtons own words in his Vindication But hereunto I answer Is not this a cleere Jesuiticall juggle and most like unto the Popish Equivocation whereby the Jesuits Seminarie-Priests and all Jesuited Papists did familiarly use to help themselves at a dead lift Answ 1 when they were examined upon any serious Questions even by a Mentall reservation or equivocation to help themselves I say and thereby did they the more cunningly deceive the most acute Argumentators and interrogating Disputans that came against them And would not our Independents now adayes by this their fine-trick of New-lights forsooth befool our faith and make us believe they doe all now by rare Revelations Herein I say dealing with us just as the Jesuites did with their Proselytes and Opposites too in the point of Transubstantiation labour to make them believe that the Bread and Wine in the Lords Supper were truly really and corporally transubstantiated into the very Body and Bloud of Christ even the very same which suffered and was shed on the crosse in all respects though there was no visible change either to sight or sense in the Bread or Wine but they still remained the same which they were before they were consecrated whereof when they were told so they presently answered that it was so trāsinutated or changed by a Miracle forsooth which indeed was a ridiculous and absurd answer for we never read of any miracle wrought either by any of the Prophets Christ himself or his Apostles but it was reall evident and visible both to sight and sense to be a miracle indeed Even so I say to out Independents concerning their Reserve or New-lights Tell them of any of their new upstart errors or vaporous Enthusiasmes or Newly-revived-Opinions or conceits but indeed meer old errours call them what you please rak't out of the rotten ashes of ancient Hereticks and Schismaticks presently their smooth and deceivable Answer is O Sir these are not Errours but New-Lights newly and rarely revealed to us by some sodain and secret inspiration and when we demand or desire to have it made out unto us by Gods written Word that they are reall and demonstrative New-Lights indeed that we may evidently discerne them to be such by that truest Tonch-stone the Word of God and not to be empty Meteors and crotchets of their own brains Then alas either through ignorance and deceivablenesse they cannot or else with as much impertinencie as obstinacie they will foolishly and falsely urge that of the Prophet Joel And it shall come to passe that I will poure out my spirit upon all flesh and your sons and your daughters shall prophesie c. and your young men shall see visions Whereas this Prophesie of Joel as the Apostle Peter told the Jews was clearly prophesied of and mainly fulfilled in those times of the Apostles and then after our Saviour Christs ascention which were called those Last-dayes as all the learned observe the Lord indeed poured out his spirit on all flesh on young and old male and female and gave them power of admirably doing miracles and wonders and then I say as the Apostle Peter in that forecited Scripture said was this Prophesie of Joel most apparently fulfilled and so continued all the time of the Apostles lives and some of their holy Disciples even to about the time of the destruction of Jerusalem But what 's this to our times wherein and long time before miracles are ceased Can any of us dare to assume the extraordinary power of the Spirit of God to doe miracles and worke wonders Is it a miracle or a wonder indeed I confesse it may be to see such intolerable impudence to see young saucie Boyes in comparison bold botching Taylors and other most audacious illiterate mechanicks to run rudely and rashly and unsent for too out of their shops into a Pulpit To see bold impudent huswives without al womanly modesty to take upon them in the naturall volubility of their tongues quick wits or strong memories onely to prate not preach or Prophesie after a narrative or discoursing manner an houre or more and that most directly contrary to the Apostles inhibition But where I say is their extraordinary spirit poured out upon them either in the gift of tongues except it be the lying and the slanderous tongues which are rather the gifts of the evil Spirit as the Apostle James testifies in gifts of miraculous healing the sick and sore and such like where I say are any of these in our old or young Tradesmen or bould Beatriceses of the female sex And does not the Apostle Peter most punctually come up to this very thing of our Independents even to shew us this most notable dissembling and fallacious trick of New-Lights and fained Revelations which he foresaw would follow his departure out of his Earthly-Tabernacle and therefore forewarns the people of God to beware of them telling them Verse 16. That he and the rest of the faithfull Apostles used not cunningly devised fables or new inventions of their own or other mens brains when they made known the power and comming of the Lord Jesus unto them Adding at length this most immoveable and infalible rule for them to walk by and to be guided with ver. 19. But we have a more sure word of prophesie whereunto you doe well that yee take heed as unto a light that shineth in a darke place till the day dawn and the day-star of truth arise in your hearts Away then with this notorious deceitfull trick of New-Lights for shame and of your rare Revelations cheat not the people of God and your own soules especially with these deceivable devices of your own brains and Schismaticall spirits But this most certainly is the Independent way now adayes among us to the great disturbance of the peace and comfort of the people of the Lord and when we justly tell them of their unfaithfull dealing and down right deceiving by this their trick of New-lights O then just as the Jesuits and Popish Priests in Queene Maries dayes and of later times called those that would not believe their Popish trick of Transubstantiation to be a miracle they called and counted them I say Hereticks so these our Independents if we will not and cannot in our consciences nor by any of their demonstrations beleeve their trick of New-Lights to be a