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that_o 2._o ap._n suar._n 3._o p._n to_o 3._o disp_n 49._o sect._n 2._o non_fw-la est_fw-la attendendum_fw-la ad_fw-la naturam_fw-la eorum_fw-la quae_fw-la videntur_fw-la sed_fw-la credendum_fw-la mutationi_fw-la quae_fw-la hîc_fw-la fit_a ex_fw-la gratia_fw-la we_o must_v not_o consider_v the_o nature_n of_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v see_v but_o believe_v the_o change_n which_o be_v here_o make_v by_o grace_n as_o also_o that_o other_o place_n where_o he_o note_v it_o for_o a_o haeresy_n spring_v up_o among_o the_o grecian_n of_o some_o that_o do_v deny_v the_o eucharist_n to_o be_v the_o flesh_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n eucharistiam_fw-la &_o oblationes_fw-la non_fw-la admittunt_fw-la quod_fw-la non_fw-la confiteantur_fw-la eucharistiam_fw-la esse_fw-la carnem_fw-la saluatoris_fw-la nostri_fw-la jesv_n christi_fw-la but_o not_o to_o stand_v long_o upon_o it_o 1._o dialog_n 3._o ut_fw-la habeatur_fw-la ap_fw-mi suar._n 3._o p._n to_o 3._o disp_n 46._o sect_n 1._o here_o be_v 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