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A51289 A brief reply to a late answer to Dr. Henry More his Antidote against idolatry Shewing that there is nothing in the said answer that does any ways weaken his proofs of idolatry against the Church of Rome, and therefore all are bound to take heed how they enter into, or continue in the communion of that church as they tender their own salvation. More, Henry, 1614-1687. 1672 (1672) Wing M2645; ESTC R217965 188,285 386

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