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A74667 An answer to Monsieur de la Militiere his impertinent dedication of his imaginary triumph, to the king of Great Britain to invite him to embrace the Roman Catholick religion. / By John Bramhall D.D. and Lord Bishop of London-Derry. Bramhall, John, 1594-1663.; La Milletière, Théophile Brachet, sieur de, ca. 1596-1665. Victory of truth for the peace of the Church. 1653 (1653) Thomason E1542_1 53,892 235

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Umbertus a Cardinall Exact Syn. Rom. sub Nich. 2. approved by Pope Nicholas and a Councill Ego Berengarius c. I Berengarius do consent to the holy Roman Apostolick See and profess with my mouth and heart to hold the same faith of the Sacrament of the Lords Supper with Pope Nicholas and this holy Synod c. And what the faith of Pope Nicholas and this Synod was follows in the next words That the Bread and Wine which are set upon the Altar after Consecration are not onely the Sacrament but the very body and blood of Christ. This seems to favour Consubstantiation rather than Transubstantiation if the Bread and Wine be the body and blood of Christ then they remain Bread and Wine still if the bread be not onely the Sacrament but also the thing of the Sacrament if it be both the Sign and the thing signified how is it now to be made nothing It follows in the Retraction That the body and blood of Christ is sensibly not onely in the Sacrament but in truth handled and broken by the hands of the Priest and bruised by the teeth of the faithfull If it be even so there needs no more but feel and be satisfied To this they made Berengarius sweat By the consubstantiall Trinity and the Holy Gospels and accurse and anathematize all those who held the contrary yet these words did so much scandalize and offend the Glosser upon Gratian that he could not forbear to admonish the Reader De Cons dist 2 cap. Ego Ber. that unless he understood those words in a sound sense he would fall into a greater heresie than that of Berengarius Not without reason for the most favourable of the Schoolmen do confess that these words are not properly and literally true but figuratively and metanimically understanding the thing conteining by the thing conteined as to say the body of Christ is broken or bruised because the quantity or Species of bread are broken or bruised they might as well say that the body and blood of Christ becomes fusty and sowr as often as the Species of Bread and Wine before their corruption become fusty and sowr But the Retractation of Berongarius can admit no such figurative sense that the body and blood of Christ in the Sacrament are d●vided and bruised sensibly not onely in the Sacrament that is in the Spec●es but also in truth A most ignorant Capernaiticall assertion for the body of Christ being not in the Sacrament modo Quantitativo according to their own Tenet but indivisibly after a Spirituall manner without extrinsecall extension of parts cannot in it self or in truth be either divided or bruised Therefore others of the School-men goe more roundly and ingenuously to work Alex. Gab. Bonav c. and confess that it is an abusive and excessive expression not to be held or defended that it happened to Berengarius they should have said to Pope Nicholas and Cardinall Umbertus as it doth with those who cut of a detestation of one error encline to another Neither will it a vail them any thing at all that the Fathers have sometimes used such expressions of seeing Christ of touching Christ in the Sacrament of fastning our teeth in his flesh and making our tongues red in his blood There is a great difference between a Sermon to the people and a solemn Retractation before a Judge The Fathers do not say that such expressions are true not only Sacramentally or figuratively as they made Berengarius both say and accurse all others that held otherwise but also properly and in the things themselves The Fathers never meant by these forms of speech to determine the manner of the presence which was not dreamed of in their dayes but to raise the devotion of their hearers and readers to advertise the people of God that they should not rest in the externall symbols or signs but principa●ly be intent upon the invisible grace which was both lawfull and commendable for them to do Leave us their primitive liberty and we will not refrain from the like expressions I urge this to shew that the new doctrine of Transubstantiation is so far from being an old Article of faith that it was not well digested not rightly understood in any tollerable measure by the greatest Clerks and most concerned above a thousand years after Christ The first definition or determination of this manner of the presence was yet later in the Councill of Lateran in the dayes of Innocent the third Scot. in 4. sent dist 11. q. 3. T. 3 q. 75. d. 81. c. 1. The determination of the manner of the presence opened a floodgate to a deluge of Controversies after the year 1200. Ante Lateranense Concilium Transubstantiatio non fuit dogma fidei And what the fruit of it was let Vasques bear witness Audito nomine Transubstantiationis c. The very name of Transubstantiation being but heard so great a Controversie d●d arise among the later School-men concerning the nature thereof that the more they endevoured to wind themselves out the more they wrapped themselves in greater difficulties whereby the mysterie of faith became more difficult both to be explained and to be understood and more exposed to the Cavils of its Adversaries He adds that the name of Conversion and Transubstantiation gave occasion to these Controversies No sooner was this Bell rung out no sooner was this fatall sentence given but as if Pandora's box had been newly set wide open whole swarms of noisome Questions and debates did fill the Schools Then it began to be disputed by what means this change comes whether by the Benediction of the Elements or by the Repetition of these words of Christ This is my body The common current of your Schools is for the later Lib. de Corr. Theol. Schol. But your judicious Arch-Bishops of Caesaria since the Councill of Trent in a Book dedicated to Sixtus the Fifth produceth great reasons to the contrary Then was the Question started what the demonstrative Pronoun Hoc signifies in these words This is my Body whether this thing or this Substance or this Bread or this Body or this Meat or these Accidents or that which is conteined under these Species Gloss de Con●… d. 2. cap. timorem or this Individuum vagum or lastly which seems stranger than all the rest this Nothing Then it began to be argued whether the Elements were annihilated whether the matter and form of them being destroyed their essence did yet remain or the essence being Converted the existence remained whether the Sacramentall existence of the body and blood of Christ do depend upon its naturall existence whether the whole Host were Transubstantiated or onely some parts of it that is such parts as should be distributed to worthy Communicants or whether in those parts of the Host which were distributed unto unworthy Communicants the matter of Bread and Wine did not return Guidmend l. 1. de ver Whether the