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A88587 A modest and clear vindication of the serious representation, and late vindication of the ministers of London, from the scandalous aspersions of John Price, in a pamphlet of his, entituled, Clerico-classicum or, The clergies alarum to a third war. Wherein his king-killing doctrine is confuted. The authors by him alledged, as defending it, cleared. The ministers of London vindicated. The follies, and falsities of Iohn Price discovered. The protestation, vow, and the Covenant explained. / By a friend to a regulated monarchy, a free Parliament, an obedient army, and a godly ministry; but an enemy to tyranny, malignity, anarchy and heresie. Love, Christopher, 1618-1651. 1649 (1649) Wing L3168; Thomason E549_10; ESTC R204339 63,269 85

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pillars to tremble which is all the ben fit thou hast received by the exchange of thy late Diocesse for the Province of London Answ 1. I perceive you are a chip of the old block like master like man Iohn Goodwin indeed said that all the successe the Ministers of London had in converting of soules for three or foure years last past unlesse from God to Satan may be cast up with a Cypher and measured with a reed that never grew One may see by this you are his scholar to fasten on the London Ministers so notorious a falsity that all the benefit the City hath received by them is but to turn its ancient love union and goodnesse into hatred division and bitternesse each against other 2. This is so notorious a calumny that many of your own party blush to read it and acknowledge it ever God did the●e soules good it was by the Ministery of those men whom you falsly accuse 3. It were well that you and others who say the labours of the London Ministers are insuccessefull would consider whether the spirit of the Lord be not departed from your Congregations since you have fallen into separation whether more hath not been perverted then converted by your Ministers For my part I cannot discern any signalls or seals to the Ministery of many of your separated congregations of bringing sheep to Christs fold but of stealing sheep out of the flock brought in by the blessing of God upon other mens labours 4. Whereas you say that all the benefit London hath received by the Ministers is but to turn the ancient love and union of the inhabitants thereof into hatred and division all that I shall say to the slander is this the Lord bee Judge between them and you London was once a City at union within it self and did serve the Lord with one consent and carry on the work of the Lord with one shoulder untill men of your turbulent faction and humour fell to schisme and separation gathering Churches out of Churches and that not when declining but when reforming a practice never heard of before late years these and such like practices of yours have turned Londons ancient love union and goodnesse into hatred division and bitternesse one against another 5. By these last words viz. which is all the benefit thou hast received by the exchange of thy late Diocesse for the Province of London by this I perceive Iohn Price had rather have London a Diocesse then a Province and thinks London in a better condition under Prelacy then with Presbytery of this I say no more I wish you had not said so much That which Gregory wrote to Mauritius concerning the ambition of the Prelaticall Patriarchs of Constantinople may be as truly said of our present Clergy men exclamare compellor ac dicere O tempora O mores c. that is I am compelled to cry out Oh times Oh manners behold in all the parts of Europe Townes are destroyed Castles overthrown Provinces are spoyled no labourer inhabiteth the land notwithstanding the Priests who should lye in a●he● upon the ground weeping they are seeking to themselves names of v●nity c. Greg. lib. 4. Epist. 323. Answ. 1. Who would have thought that Iohn Price had studyed Pope Greg●●y That he that cries out against all ordained Ministers as having the mark of the Beast should study the language of the beast 2. The passage you quote out of Gregory is said to be in the fourth book Epist. 323. whereas Gregory hath but 56 Epistles in all in his fourth book if Iohn Price should quote the third Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians when Paul wrote but two Epistles to them I would say he were as ignorant in Pauls Epistles as in Gregories Epistles As I know Pope Gregory never saw your face so this mistake makes me think you never saw his Epistle let me tell you though you mistake Gregory to have more Epistles then he had yet Gregory the Executioner may not mistake you to have more necks then you have if you persist to justifie the Killing the King forcing the Parliament imprisoning the Members altering the fundamentall government of the Kingdom as you have done already 3. Let me know in the next whence this grosse mistake did arise either from the carelesnesse of the Printer or the ignorance of you the Authour that I may help this poor Ignoramus at a dead list I shall let you know that it is true indeed there is such an Epistle of Gregories to M●●ritius and such words as you mention but 't is in lib. 4. Epist. 32. yet what was then said by him concerning Iohn Bishop of Constantinople other Bishops cannot as truly be said of our present Clergy men as you falsly affirm for it will evidently appear to you if you read the whole 32. Epistle that the name of vanity that some did desire was to be Universall Bishop 〈…〉 then hee comes in with the words you quote O tempora O 〈…〉 then he goes on Qui● est qui contra 〈…〉 Now I leave it to your self to be Judg 〈◊〉 be said of our present Clergy men as your reproachfully 〈◊〉 them at Gregory of th●se Bishops did ever any subscribers of the letter affect the name of Bishop in the Prelaticall sense did any of them arrogate the Title of Universall Bishop or any other name of vanity of the like nature if not then what Gregory said of those Bishops cannot as truely be said of our present Clergy men as you slanderously affirm Besides what names of vanity do the Ministers seek to themselves are they any other then Ministers of the Gospel Preachers of the Word Embassadors of Christ if these be the names of vanity do not you count Christ vain in giving these names unto his Ministers Which if you doe I shall esteem you a man of vanity and blasphemy too To conclude my answer to this Quotation out of Gregory I shall only give you this counsell that it would better become such a raw novice to study Perkins Principles then Gregories Epistles Was not the late second Warre and the flames thereof kindled and blown up by the Pulpit Incendiaries the like Ministers of the Gospel Embassadours of Iesus Christ viz. the ambitous Presbyters who are now again by their fiery tongues and furious pens scattering their furious Pamphlets among the people and hissing them on to a third war resolving as it appears to see the Kingdom in ashes but they will have their wishes Answ. 1. Surely you think your tongue is your own else you durst never be so frolick of your slanders the blame of the first warre nay of the second yea of instigating to a third you lay upon the godly Ministers of the City I wonder your heart did not tremble and you hand shake when you wrote these lines had you not a brow of brass you would blush and be ashamed for raising against them such improbable and incredible