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A70694 A narrative of the proceedings and tryal of Mr. Francis Johnson, a Franciscan, at Worcester last summer-assizes Anno Dom. 1679 written with his own hand as followeth. Wall, John, Saint, 1620-1679. 1679 (1679) Wing N205; ESTC R1380 36,113 26

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come to either neither did he know what I said to him when I gave him Bread like a Wafer but he of his own accord did desire me to hear his Confession and give him the Wafer which he took Whereupon the Judge asked how it came to pass that he never having known nor seen me before nor I spoke with him about Confession or Communion how could he now tell who I was or how could he desire such a thing of me who was a meer stranger to him neither of us knowing any thing of one anothers condition sure said the Judge we do not give the Communion on such terms To which he answered that his Father had told him that if he would he might confess to me and that I would give him the Communion So although he had sworn before that none in the house was witness or saw him confess or receive yet rather than be confounded he would bring his Father into confusion and accuse him as guilty of being the cause of what he did which might be the ruine of his Family But the Judge taking no notice of what he had accused his Father spake to me and told me by this it might appear That I had taken upon me what belonged to the Priests Office by hearing his Confession and giving him the Wafer To which I replied that with his leave I would make it appear that all which this Witness had said against me did not at all prove me to be a Priest or to have taken the office of a Priest upon me for all he said I had done I might do it lawfully though no Priest so might other men that never were nor would be Priests do the same as many thousands had done and did do through the world He asked me how I could prove that I answered as to his Confession he spoke of in the nature he declared it it was only an act of charity for me to do as I did and every Christians duty obliges every man to do the same that he said I had done for him and the same was practised by all Sects whatsoever that never knew what belonged to Priesthood For if our Neighbor have any thing that perplexed his mind there is no better way to ease it than by speaking of it to any whom he supposed might know how to take away or mitigate his Grievances by counsel or advice And therefore this Witness having understood something from his Father that might move him to confide in me came of his own accord as he said he did to impart his mind to me and therefore I should not have fulfilled Christian duty if I should have slighted his trouble and not have given him leave to ease his mind to me and in the best way I could endeavor to assist him and divert his trouble though I was a stranger being that he of his own accord as he said came to me for that intent and therefore I desired the Judge to ask him if it were otherwise than what I had told his Lordship The Judge replied that I went further for as he says I gave him the Wafer or Communion I answered that suppose I had given him the Wafer or Communion which whether I did or no I was not certain yet according to his own word this could no way prove that I gave him the Sacrament for let him speak if I told him it was so or let him declare if I said any thing to him concerning the Communion or what I said he could not say I did only I gave him something therefore I told the Judge that if he pleased to give me leave I would tell his Lordship what practice ever had been and is constantly used in the Catholick Church throughout the world in giving hollowed bread or water which is nothing belonging to the Communion or Sacrament for I told my Lord as there was holy water kept in all private houses as well as in the Chapels and places of Prayer so there was also holy bread and sometimes of the same nature as the Wafer or the Communion and of this as well as of the other sort of bread was on Sundays and other certain daies not consecrated as the Communion but only blessed as holy water by the word and prayer and so distributed to men women and little children of two or three years old and such like hallowed bread thousands of men women and children take and may carry about them and keep in their houses and eat it at any time and give it when and to whom they would to children or others and for my part I have many times in my life taken it from others at any time when I had it or was in any private house where I found it I have taken it to eat my self and given it to any man woman or child sometime they desiring it sometime of my own accord I gave it and so possibly I have given it to the man that witnesseth here against me and if he know the contrary but that it was as I said I desire that he would speak But he had nothing to say of me to the contrary I appealed to my Lord to judge whether this testimony or any other testimony this Witness brought against me were of any force or value to make me guilty in this matter which no waies could be made out against me I proceeded therefore to answer his third Accusation against me which was that I should have told him that if he did not return to the Faith from whence he had fallen he would be damned To this my Answer to my Lord was That I had all my life time been so fearful of such rash Judgment that I do declare it in the presence of God as I did before him that I had rather dye than presume to pronounce the sentence of damnation against any man but I told his Lordship that if he pleased to give me leave I would relate what I had said to him and others upon the like occasion which the Judge being willing to hear I told him that I being at this man's Mother-in-law's house who was of no Religion no more than this Witness and the Mother desiring to hear what Catholicks held and the reasons for which we believe such points of Faith I told her what we held and shewed her the proofs for what we held in her own Bible and when she made any difficulty whether such texts of Scripture were to be understood as we understood them or in any other sense I shewed her out of the Protestant Practice of Piety and out of the Protestant Common Prayer-Book that not only Catholicks but all Protestants understood them in such a sense and she having those Books by her I turned those places to her to read in her own Books and so she did and yet neither the Bible nor Common Prayer-Books nor Practice of Piety could satisfie or make her believe whereupon I told her that if she were a Christian