Selected quad for the lemma: sense_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
sense_n	believe_v	faith_n	reason_n	7,057	5	5.8990	4	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A94733	An apology or plea for the Two treatises, and appendix to them concerning infant-baptisme; published Decemb. 15. 1645. Against the unjust charges, complaints, and censures of Doctor Nathanael Homes, Mr Iohn Geree, Mr Stephen Marshall, Mr John Ley, and Mr William Hussey; together with a postscript by way of reply to Mr Blakes answer to Mr Tombes his letter, and Mr Edmund Calamy, and Mr Richard Vines preface to it. Wherein the principall heads of the dispute concerning infant-baptism are handled, and the insufficiency of the writings opposed to the two treatises manifested. / By Iohn Tombes, B.D.	Tombes, John, 1603?-1676.	1646 (1646)	Wing T1801; Thomason E352_1; ESTC R201072	143,666	170

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any_o believer_n but_o to_o education_n in_o the_o family_n of_o abraham_n or_o any_o other_o believe_a family_n pag._n 61._o they_o that_o believe_v and_o they_o that_o believe_v not_o hear_v the_o word_n and_o 〈◊〉_d be_v no_o 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o work●●_n preach_v it_o to_o 〈◊〉_d infidel_n neither_o 〈◊〉_d it_o any_o 〈◊〉_d of_o baptism_n to_o baptize_v a_o infidel_n pag._n 64._o and_o indeed_o 〈◊〉_d be_v a_o very_a strange_a thing_n for_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n to_o be_v tender_v to_o 〈…〉_z and_o approve_v declare_v and_o 〈◊〉_d to_o be_v 〈◊〉_d it_o be_v true_a it_o may_v be_v tender_v to_o man_n this_o profess_v they_o faith_n because_o man_n can_v judge_v they_o faithful_a notwithstanding_o any_o profession_n and_o therefore_o baptize_v they_o but_o if_o they_o can_v know_v and_o judge_v they_o faithful_a

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not_o do_v so_o and_o till_o mr_n martial_n do_v it_o shall_v censure_v he_o as_o one_o that_o take_v not_o the_o way_n to_o clear_a truth_n but_o to_o darken_v it_o with_o multitude_n of_o wo●ds_n among_o which_o a_o man_n shall_v have_v much_o ado_n to_o find_v the_o medium_n and_o the_o conclusion_n mr_n martial_n pag._n 247._o accuse_v i_o of_o slur_v plunder_v darken_n the_o argument_n of_o my_o adversary_n if_o he_o have_v tell_v i_o wherein_o he_o have_v do_v i_o a_o pleasure_n that_o i_o may_v know_v how_o to_o amend_v it_o but_o if_o he_o mean_v as_o his_o word_n pag_n 134._o to_o bring_v in_o so_o many_o imaginary_a sense_n thereby_o to_o darken_v a_o argument_n import_v in_o that_o i_o tell_v h●m_v his_o conclusion_n and_o speech_n may_v have_v many_o sense_n and_o desire_v he_o to_o set_v down_o what_o sense_n he_o mean_v it_o be_v a_o conceit_n scarce_o sober_a since_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o distinction_n and_o distinct_a expression_n be_v right_o call_v by_o logician_n 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