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that_o be_v to_o be_v iustify_v by_o good_a work_n for_o thus_o say_v luther_n of_o they_o in_o his_o table-talkes_a chap._n of_o suermer_n the_o waldense_n be_v holy_a workman_n and_o believe_v not_o that_o say_v without_o work_n do_v justify_v and_o know_v nothing_o at_o all_o of_o imputative_a justice_n 8._o cocciuâ—_n 10.1_o lib._n 8._o and_o bennet_n morgenstern_n in_o his_o treatise_n of_o the_o church_n p._n 1â—4_n speak_v thus_o unto_o they_o you_o confirm_v the_o doctrine_n of_o antichrist_n touch_v good_a work_n justification_n etc._n etc._n and_o themselves_o in_o their_o apology_n print_v at_o hanow_n together_o with_o the_o history_n of_o bohemia_n pag._n 256._o plain_o show_v that_o they_o believe_v a_o man_n to_o be_v justify_v by_o faith_n charity_n hope_v penance_n and_o work_n of_o mercy_n and_o do_v say_v that_o devout_a prayer_n do_v purge_v and_o penance_n cleanse_v a_o man_n 4._o three_o the_o waldense_n be_v condemn_v of_o protestant_n both_o lutheran_n and_o sacramentary_n melancthon_n in_o his_o counsel_n part_v 2._o pag._n 152._o write_v 418._o see_v refut_n orthod_n consensus_fw-la pag._n 418._o i_o rejoice_v that_o you_o agree_v with_o we_o in_o the_o sum_n of_o doctrine_n i_o know_v the_o waldense_n be_v unlike_a and_o in_o carrion_n chronicle_n print_v at_o paris_n 1357._o he_o say_v that_o they_o sow_v error_n deny_v all_o oath_n and_o all_o form_n of_o prayer_n beside_o the_o lord_n prayer_n morgenstern_n in_o his_o forname_v book_n pag._n 79._o give_v this_o verdict_n of_o they_o they_o have_v proud_o neglect_v the_o light_n of_o doctrine_n which_o be_v kindle_v from_o heaven_n in_o this_o age_n &_o have_v with_o tooth_n and_o naâ—le_n by_o write_v among_o their_o own_o man_n secret_o defend_v those_o most_o gross_a erro_n which_o in_o the_o year_n 1523._o be_v discover_v by_o luther_n beside_o selnecer_n as_o he_o report_v affirm_v that_o they_o have_v gross_a error_n and_o such_o as_o be_v not_o to_o be_v bear_v withal_o leonicus_n antisturmius_n also_o in_o danaeus_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o his_o sonde_n pag._n 1516._o pronounce_v they_o to_o be_v impious_a and_o schusselburg_n in_o his_o 3._o tâ—me_n of_o the_o catalogue_n of_o heretic_n pag_n 188._o reject_v they_o as_o heretic_n camerarius_fw-la in_o his_o book_n of_o the_o church_n in_o bohemia_n poland_n etc._n etc._n pag._n 273._o write_v thus_o we_o can_v say_v that_o the_o waldense_n be_v never_o one_o with_o our_o church_n nor_o our_o man_n will_v ever_o join_v themselves_o to_o they_o whereof_o he_o give_v these_o two_o reason_n because_o the_o waldense_n will_v not_o have_v extant_a any_o public_a declaration_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o for_o peace_n sake_n do_v use_v the_o popish_a mass_n for_o these_o two_o cause_n say_v he_o our_o man_n do_v not_o join_v themselves_o to_o they_o neither_o do_v they_o think_v that_o they_o can_v so_o do_v with_o good_a conscience_n caluin_n also_o epist_n 278._o thus_o write_v to_o the_o waldense_n themselves_o we_o abide_v in_o one_o opinion_n that_o the_o form_n of_o your_o confession_n can_v be_v absolute_o admit_v without_o danger_n and_o m._n jewel_n also_o in_o defence_n of_o the_o apology_n part_n pag._n 48._o say_v plain_o of_o the_o albigense_n they_o be_v none_o of_o we_o d._n humphrey_n to_o the_o three_o reason_n of_o f._n campian_n pag._n 371_o they_o be_v not_o whole_o we_o and_o osiander_n in_o his_o 13._o century_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 4._o pantaleon_n in_o his_o chronicle_n pag._n 98._o &_o melancthon_n in_o the_o foresay_a chronicle_n of_o carrion_n reckon_v they_o among_o heretic_n but_o the_o albigense_n be_v all_o one_o for_o religion_n with_o the_o waldense_n as_o d._n fulke_n say_v in_o these_o word_n lib._n the_o success_n pag._n 332_o that_o epistle_n of_o the_o archbishop_n do_v prove_v that_o the_o albigense_n &_o waldense_n be_v all_o one_o the_o same_o also_o confess_v illyricus_n in_o his_o catalogue_n in_o 4._o to_o pag_n 536._o where_o also_o pag._n 561._o he_o speak_v in_o this_o sort_n the_o waldense_n or_o albigense_n yea_o the_o waldense_n themselves_o in_o the_o bohemian_a confession_n if_o it_o be_v they_o do_v insinuate_v that_o they_o be_v condemn_v of_o the_o sacramentary_n whereas_o they_o say_v in_o the_o 13._o article_n that_o they_o who_o deny_v the_o supper_n of_o the_o lord_n to_o be_v the_o true_a flesh_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n do_v call_v they_o idolater_n antichrist_n and_o man_n brand_v with_o the_o mark_n of_o the_o beast_n beside_o illyricus_n in_o his_o forecited_a catalogue_n write_v that_o the_o thaborites_n who_o indeed_o say_v he_o follow_v the_o opinion_n of_o the_o waldense_n be_v grievous_o vex_v and_o persecute_v of_o rokesana_n and_o other_o hussite_n wherefore_o sith_o protestant_n common_o challenge_v the_o hussite_n for_o their_o brethren_n they_o ought_v not_o to_o claim_v also_o the_o waldenles_a who_o doctrine_n the_o hussite_n do_v persecute_v certain_o the_o confession_n of_o bohemia_n which_o be_v say_v to_o be_v they_o do_v plain_o distinguish_v they_o from_o protestant_n especial_o from_o sacramentary_n for_o art_n 2._o they_o say_v we_o must_v keep_v the_o commandment_n in_o hart_n &_o deed_n art_n 5._o that_o those_o which_o repent_v must_v confess_v their_o sin_n to_o a_o priest_n and_o ask_v absolution_n of_o he_o art_n 9_o that_o priest_n ought_v to_o be_v single_a art_n 11._o that_o sacrament_n be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o be_v 13._o that_o the_o eucharist_n be_v the_o true_a body_n of_o christ_n as_o say_v they_o christ_n plain_o say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n of_o which_o word_n we_o ought_v to_o believe_v the_o plain_a sense_n not_o declime_v to_o the_o right_n or_o left_a whereupon_o it_o be_v no_o marvel_n that_o caluin_n in_o his_o 249._o epistle_n deni_v it_o to_o be_v lawful_a for_o a_o christian_a man_n to_o embrace_v the_o waldense_n confession_n in_o these_o word_n consider_v you_o whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o a_o christian_a man_n to_o embrace_v the_o form_n of_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o waldense_n who_o without_o any_o distinction_n bound_v up_o all_o in_o one_o bundle_n of_o damnation_n who_o precise_o confess_v not_o the_o bread_n to_o be_v present_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n sure_o we_o think_v not_o 5._o four_o i_o prove_v the_o same_o because_o the_o waldense_n hold_v many_o error_n which_o the_o protestant_n condemn_v illyricus_n in_o his_o foresay_a catalogue_n pag._n 545._o relate_v out_o of_o a_o ancient_a writer_n above_o 300._o year_n ago_o that_o they_o teach_v that_o a_o priest_n be_v in_o mortal_a sin_n can_v not_o consecrate_v the_o eucharist_n that_o every_o oath_n be_v a_o mortal_a sin_n that_o they_o disallow_v matrimony_n and_o likewise_o out_o of_o aeneas_n silvius_n that_o they_o say_v it_o be_v lawful_a for_o every_o one_o to_o preach_v &_o that_o he_o who_o be_v guilty_a of_o mortal_a sin_n be_v not_o not_o capable_a of_o any_o secular_a or_o ecclesiastical_a dignity_n neither_o 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that_o after_o luther_n be_v know_v the_o waldense_n do_v greedy_o purchase_v great_a knowledge_n morgenstern_n in_o his_o foresay_a book_n pag._n 79._o say_v that_o they_o borrow_v the_o best_a part_n of_o their_o doctrine_n from_o the_o lutheran_n and_o d._n fulke_o in_o his_o book_n of_o succession_n pag._n 360._o that_o they_o learn_v of_o those_o of_o basle_n to_o amend_v certain_a error_n which_o they_o have_v receive_v from_o their_o ancestor_n why_o then_o shall_v we_o not_o think_v they_o receive_v the_o doctrine_n of_o justification_n by_o only_a faith_n from_o luther_n especial_o sith_o as_o i_o before_o say_v there_o be_v no_o mention_n of_o it_o among_o they_o in_o former_a time_n again_o jurgenicius_n in_o the_o 2._o chap._n of_o his_o war_n of_o the_o 5._o gospel_n affirm_v that_o the_o author_n of_o the_o bohemian_a confession_n do_v profess_v in_o the_o begin_n thereof_o that_o they_o will_v never_o conjoin_v themselves_o to_o
church_n how_o then_o can_v protestant_n gather_v certain_o out_o of_o the_o apocalypse_n that_o their_o church_n heretofore_o be_v in_o popery_n but_o as_o luther_n in_o cap._n 9_o genes_n tom_fw-mi 6._o fol._n 114._o speak_v of_o the_o anabaptist_n and_o other_o apoc._n why_o protestant_n account_v to_o much_o of_o the_o apoc._n the_o anabaptist_n make_v so_o much_o of_o obscure_a book_n as_o the_o apocalypse_n because_o there_o they_o may_v seigne_n any_o thing_n and_o in_o cap._n 11._o fol._n 136_o ambitious_a head_n think_v it_o a_o great_a matter_n if_o they_o give_v their_o judgement_n free_o of_o obscure_a place_n and_o after_o stubborn_o maintain_v their_o opinion_n and_o praefat._v in_o cantica_fw-la tom_fw-mi 4._o fol._n 47_o some_o do_v put_v all_o their_o labour_n in_o hard_a place_n think_v it_o a_o commendation_n of_o their_o wit_n to_o meddle_v with_o those_o matter_n which_o other_o by_o reason_n of_o their_o obscurity_n do_v fly_v &_o because_o in_o obscure_a place_n every_o one_o may_v divine_v and_o follow_v his_o own_o head_n 2._o three_o i_o answer_v that_o the_o foresay_a place_n be_v allegorical_a mystical_a and_o obscure_a and_o therefore_o not_o fit_a to_o ground_n faith_n upon_o that_o it_o be_v mystical_a and_o allegorical_a be_v manifest_a because_o babylon_n do_v not_o literal_o but_o at_o most_o mystical_o signify_v popery_n that_o also_o the_o sense_n which_o protestant_n frame_v thereof_o be_v obscure_a be_v evident_a because_o they_o can_v either_o by_o any_o part_n or_o by_o any_o circumstance_n thereof_o clear_o show_v that_o by_o babylon_n be_v mean_v popery_n beside_o neither_o any_o of_o the_o father_n nor_o of_o those_o imaginary_a protestant_n before_o luther_n do_v perceive_v this_o sense_n otherwise_o some_o of_o they_o will_v have_v obey_v god_n commandment_n and_o go_v out_o of_o popery_n but_o it_o be_v plain_a madness_n to_o urge_v a_o incredible_a thing_n as_o be_v that_o protestant_n be_v heretofore_o in_o popery_n to_o be_v believe_v certain_o for_o one_o mystical_a &_o obscure_a place_n who_o say_v s._n augustin_n without_o great_a impudence_n will_v go_v about_o to_o expound_v for_o himself_o 48._o epist_n 48._o any_o thing_n speak_v in_o allegory_n unless_o he_o have_v manifest_a place_n by_o which_o the_o obscure_a may_v be_v lighten_v let_v they_o bring_v therefore_o some_o evident_a place_n 5._o morton_n part_n 2._o l._n 2._o c._n 5._o wherein_o babylon_n signify_v popery_n luther_n also_o say_v if_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n the_o signification_n of_o a_o figure_n be_v not_o clear_a we_o must_v not_o rely_v upon_o it_o because_o the_o devil_n a_o excellent_a craftsman_n play_v with_o figure_n &_o if_o he_o catch_v a_o soul_n which_o without_o certain_a ground_n wre_v the_o scripture_n to_o allegory_n he_o use_v to_o cast_v he_o here_o and_o therelike_o a_o dye_n bnd_v in_o cap._n 3._o genes_n tom_fw-mi 6._o fol._n 52_o a_o allegory_n serve_v nothing_o for_o proof_n kemnice_n also_o 1._o part_n exam_fw-la do_fw-mi de_fw-mi epist_n apost_n pag._n 79_o we_o say_v that_o a_o sentence_n be_v not_o to_o be_v build_v upon_o any_o obscure_a place_n of_o scripture_n which_o can_v the_o prove_v out_o of_o other_o clear_a place_n peter_n martyr_n in_o locis_fw-la tom_fw-mi 2._o tract_n de_fw-fr missa_fw-la a_o opinion_n be_v not_o to_o be_v found_v in_o doubtful_a word_n sadeel_n ad_fw-la sophism_n turrian_n loc_fw-la 11._o pag._n 597_o the_o most_o learned_a interpreter_n do_v teach_v that_o anagogical_a argument_n must_v rely_v upon_o clear_a and_o express_v testimony_n if_o they_o will_v breed_v say_v and_o pareus_n lib._n 4._o de_fw-la justificat_fw-la cap._n 15._o pag._n 1120_o testimony_n for_o a_o false_a opinion_n be_v in_o vain_a seek_v out_o of_o a_o allegorical_a and_o most_o obscure_a place_n but_o as_o the_o father_n have_v note_v it_o be_v ever_o the_o humour_n of_o heretic_n to_o seek_v some_o pretext_n of_o allegorical_a and_o obscure_a place_n of_o the_o gnostics_n thus_o write_v s._n irenaeus_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 1_o place_n heretic_n seek_v out_o obscure_a place_n whereas_o many_o parable_n and_o allegory_n be_v recite_v which_o may_v be_v draw_v into_o diverse_a sense_n they_o crafty_o accommodate_v that_o which_o be_v ambigious_a unto_o their_o devise_n do_v lead_v into_o captivity_n from_o the_o truth_n those_o which_o have_v a_o weak_a faith_n in_o christ_n and_o s._n augustin_n lib._n de_fw-la vnitat_fw-la ca._n 24._o say_v to_o the_o donatist_n you_o willing_o abide_v in_o obscure_a matter_n that_o you_o may_v not_o be_v compel_v to_o confess_v clear_a matter_n and_o of_o heretic_n in_o general_a thus_o speak_v tertullian_n 17._o praes_n c._n 17._o diverse_a presumption_n of_o necessity_n will_v not_o acknowledge_v those_o thing_n by_o which_o they_o may_v be_v overcome_v and_o rely_v upon_o those_o which_o they_o have_v false_o forge_v and_o have_v take_v out_o of_o uncertainetye_n again_o 16._o de_fw-fr put_fw-mi c._n 16._o this_o be_v the_o custom_n of_o froward_a man_n idiot_n and_o heretic_n by_o occasion_n of_o some_o doubtful_a passage_n to_o arm_v themselves_o against_o a_o army_n of_o the_o whole_a testament_n and_o clement_n 7._o stromatum_fw-la they_o seek_v out_o doubtful_a speech_n and_o turn_v they_o to_o uphold_v their_o opinion_n the_o like_a write_v luther_n of_o anabaptiste_n and_o other_o as_o have_v be_v now_o rehearse_v wherefore_o protestant_n do_v follow_v the_o custom_n of_o gnostike_n donatist_n anabaptist_n froward_a idiot_n and_o heretic_n while_o they_o fit_v the_o allegory_n of_o babylon_n to_o their_o turn_n while_o they_o willing_o abide_v in_o obscure_a matter_n and_o make_v such_o account_n of_o the_o apocalypse_n because_o there_o they_o have_v leave_v to_o feign_v any_o thing_n while_o they_o rely_v upon_o those_o thing_n which_o they_o take_v out_o of_o uncertainty_n and_o by_o occasion_n of_o one_o ambiguous_a and_o doubtful_a place_n be_v arm_v against_o a_o army_n of_o sentence_n of_o the_o scripture_n which_o teach_v that_o neither_o popery_n be_v babylon_n nor_o protestant_n the_o people_n of_o god_n moreover_o donatist_n for_o the_o very_a like_o place_n isaiae_n 52_o go_v back_o again_o out_o of_o the_o midst_n of_o she_o 9_o lib._n the_o unic_n bapt_v c._n 14._o l_o 2._o cont_n parmen_fw-la c._n 28._o l._n 2._o count_n gaud._n c._n 9_o will_v prove_v that_o they_o ought_v to_o go_v out_o of_o the_o catholic_a church_n of_o their_o time_n as_o witness_v s._n augustin_n and_o danaeus_n confess_v lib._n 3_o de_fw-fr eccl._n c._n 9_o who_o also_o in_o lib._n 1._o august_n count_v parmen_fw-la have_v these_o word_n the_o argument_n of_o the_o donatist_n out_n of_o isay_n the_o 52._o be_v that_o we_o ought_v to_o go_v back_o and_o go_v out_o of_o the_o midst_n of_o babylon_n and_o the_o anabaptist_n in_o zuinglius_fw-la tom_n 2._o in_o elencho_fw-la fol._n 21._o out_o of_o this_o self_n same_o place_n of_o the_o apocalypse_n do_v gather_v that_o 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