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A77118	An account of the Church Catholick: where it was before the Reformation: and, whether Rome were or bee the Church Catholick. In answer to II. letters sent to Edward Boughen, D.D.	Boughen, Edward, 1587?-1660?	1653 (1653)	Wing B3812; Thomason E690_7; ESTC R202278	48,893	64

errors that we and others who protest against these unwarrantable doctrines may communicate freely with you 29. (e) n. 7. You would therefore willingly hear how I distinguish between errors in matters of faith pertinaciously held and heresie What 's this to the point in hand This is but onely to tempt me into another discourse nothing to our purpose As there is great difference between error and pertinacy so is there also between errors in faith and errors in matters of faith Errors in faith are such as are against the Creed errors in matters of faith I understand to be such as concern the faith in points of lower moment that deny not the letter of the text but give and impose for by-ends some unwarrantable expositions unknown to antiquity Such is that which was (f) Cod. Eccles Vniver can 177 brought in by Charisius and such are yours which the Church of England nominates Though these with the former batter not the foundation yet they endanger the out-works and will in time make way to undermine some of the necessary forts 30. 'T is very true that an error in faith pertinaciously maintained is no lesse then heresie but we say not so of errors in matters of faith (g) Quid faciat Haereticum regulari quâdam definitione comp ehendi sicut ego existimo aut omnino non pot●st aut difficillime potest Aug. Praefat. ad li. de Haeres St. Austin was very cautelous in defining an Heretick and I shall be wary how I determine what heresie separates from the Catholick Church And yet your Masters cannot deny but St. Cyprian not St. Austin as you mistake resolves thus (h) Cypr. Pompeio ep Haeresis Christi sponsa non est Heresie is not the spouse of Christ But every thing that is called heresie by you or error in doctrine with us will not separate from the Catholick communion St. Austin therefore limits it thus (i) Aug. de Fide Symb. c. 10. Haeretici de Deo falsa sentiendo ipsam fidem violant Quapropter non pertinent ad Ecclesiam Catholicam every violation of the faith cuts not off from the Catholick Church but a false opinion of God does beware of that take heed how you think amisse of the blessed Trinity or any person therein And in this sense is that of Tertullian to be understood (k) Tertul. de Praescrip c 37. Si Haeretici sunt Christiani esse non possunt where an heresie is against any person of the Trinity there 's no Christianity That Great Athanasius therefore tells us that (l) Athan. de Spiritu sancto p. 202. 203. this beliefe in the Father the Son and the holy Ghost Christ gave to be setled in the Church as a foundation to the Church the foundation of faith and the faith of the Catholick Church And (m) Ib p. 204. whoever divides the Son from the Father or reckons the holy Ghost among creatures he neither hath the Father nor the Son sed impius est sine Deo infideli deterior quidvis potius quam Christianus but he is an impious man without God worse then an Infidel and any thing rather then a Christian. And if no Christian no member of the Church * Hilar. Pict ad Constant Aug. p. 273. Catholicus sum nolo esse Haereticus Christianus sum non Arianus Thus far I dare goe with these Fathers but no further But if as you will have it every error in matters of faith pertinaciously held be an heresie and separate from the Catholick Church Rome hath been in an ill case for many yeers For those foure errors mentioned § 29. ye have held with pertinacy enough and yet are they by the Archbishop strongly proved to be errors though your stomachs be too high to retract them 31. But you would fain have me doe what our Church hath never done that is to charge your Church with heresie for say you (n) n. 7. if the Church of Rome be guilty of heresie she is no part of the Catholick Church But I never said she was guilty of heresie and till I have just cause to say so I shall forbear to say that she is no part of the Catholick Church And I shall be as tender as my betters have been to set down (o) Archbishop Lawd §. 11. n. 1. what errors in doctrine may give just cause of separation in this bedy or the parts of it one from another I have satisfied my selfe that the Reformation of this Church was Canonicall and is justifiable and that she was and is a very member of the Catholick in whose communion I have ever lived wherein also by Gods grace I am resolved to die And it were wisdome in you to see your Church justified from those foure errors before you enter into further controversies As for that (p) n. 7. which you produce out of the 11 Sect. there it is sufficiently proved that your Church hath most sacrilegiously robbed the Laity of Christs blood This is not denyed I take it therefore for confessed and hope your Masters will see it mended 32. Well if we will not declare yours to be no Church you will prove yours or ours to be no Church and upon these grounds (q) Ib. 4 ly say you Christs mysticall body is but one and although that body is made up of many members yet all those members must communicate one with another for if a member be separated but by schisme it is like an arm cut off from the body or a branch from the vine which make that arm or branch no part of the body or vine What though all this be granted will this make one of the two no Church I beleeve not That Christs mysticall body is but one the Scripture speaks more then once 1 Cor. 12.13 Eph. 1.23 Col. 1.18 That may not be denyed or questioned That this body is made up of many members is liwise testified Ro. 12.4 5. 1. Cor. 12.12 c. And we know all those members must communicate one with another and wherein (r) 1. Cor. 12.25 26. in the same care one for another in the same sufferings and rejoycings one with another We are not bound to communicate with you in the same ceremonies gesture superstition or error no more then the hand is bound to communicate with the foot in going the heels with the ears in hearing or either with the other in the gout or any other disease The difference between you us is this we love the body and hate the disease but you love the body so that ye love and foster the disease hate those that are not visited with the like contagion We communicate with you in the necessaries in Faith Hope and Charity as also in all things essentiall to a Church We beleeve the Scriptures and the three Creeds with you though not alwayes in the same sense Our hopes are the same with yours though we something differ in