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62._o he_o turn_v himself_o on_o another_o side_n and_o tell_v we_o that_o it_o be_v the_o docility_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o greek_n which_o will_v not_o permit_v they_o to_o behold_v these_o difficulty_n but_o this_o be_v very_o absurd_o answer_v again_o for_o be_v it_o thus_o the_o greek_n themselves_o will_v at_o least_o tell_v we_o something_o of_o it_o i_o mean_v they_o will_v tell_v we_o themselves_o in_o some_o sort_n that_o they_o know_v well_o all_o these_o consequence_n and_o be_v not_o so_o stupid_a but_o that_o they_o see_v such_o and_o such_o question_n which_o arise_v from_o the_o conversion_n of_o the_o substance_n but_o that_o they_o behold_v they_o as_o a_o abyss_n which_o can_v be_v fathom_v or_o to_o use_v mr._n arnaud_n eloquent_a expression_n that_o they_o stifle_v and_o ibid._n ibid._n drown_v all_o humane_a thought_n in_o the_o absolute_a certainty_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o infallible_a authority_n of_o his_o church_n they_o will_v give_v some_o 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consider_v what_o he_o say_v concern_v the_o feast_n of_o the_o holy_a sacrament_n wherefore_o say_v he_o have_v not_o syropulus_n detest_v the_o feast_n of_o the_o holy_a sacrament_n of_o which_o he_o be_v a_o witness_n for_o i_o shall_v only_o tell_v he_o he_o have_v not_o mention_v a_o word_n of_o it_o and_o yet_o it_o be_v certain_a the_o greek_n do_v not_o approve_v it_o but_o on_o the_o contrary_n condemn_v it_o as_o i_o already_o show_v in_o the_o forego_n book_n it_o do_v not_o then_o follow_v the_o greek_n hold_v transubstantiation_n although_o syropulus_n speak_v not_o of_o it_o and_o thus_o much_o concern_v the_o council_n of_o florence_n mr._n arnaud_n likewise_o draw_v some_o argument_n from_o what_o pass_v after_o the_o greek_n have_v renounce_v this_o union_n and_o first_o he_o take_v for_o grant_v that_o transubstantiation_n be_v establish_v in_o this_o council_n and_o that_o the_o greek_n solemn_o approve_v of_o it_o on_o this_o principle_n he_o run_v on_o argue_v 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