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any_o other_o whatsoever_o 63_o my_o first_o reason_n be_v for_o that_o it_o be_v against_o the_o truth_n and_o purity_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n she_o be_v a_o pillar_n and_o ground_n of_o truth_n that_o doubtful_a opinion_n and_o which_o among_o catholic_n be_v only_o in_o controversy_n and_o by_o the_o parliament_n of_o paris_n have_v be_v condemn_v as_o scandalous_a seditious_a damnable_a and_o pernicious_a shall_v be_v enforce_v upon_o english_a catholic_n as_o a_o undoubted_a doctrine_n of_o the_o catholic_a faith_n to_o the_o utter_a overthrow_n of_o themselves_o and_o their_o whole_a posterity_n by_o man_n who_o be_v in_o no_o danger_n to_o loose_v but_o rather_o to_o gain_v temporal_a advancement_n by_o their_o writing_n my_o second_o reason_n be_v to_o assure_v his_o majesty_n that_o all_o english_a catholic_n may_n if_o they_o will_v according_a to_o the_o ground_n of_o catholic_a religion_n be_v true_a and_o constant_a subject_n to_o his_o majesty_n and_o that_o 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