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debentur_fw-la eorum_fw-la explicationibus_fw-la addicti_fw-la &_o alligarâ—_n quin_fw-la sit_fw-la 〈◊〉_d omnibus_fw-la illis_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d quid_fw-la dei_fw-la praesidijs_fw-la adjuti_fw-la explicando_fw-la valeamus_fw-la &_o sensum_fw-la alium_fw-la 〈◊〉_d etiam_fw-la dissimilem_fw-la afferre_fw-la atque_fw-la noris_fw-la explicationibus_fw-la 〈◊〉_d ecclesiae_fw-la &_o sanctorum_fw-la 〈◊〉_d fidem_fw-la atque_fw-la pietatem_fw-la illustrate_v for_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n if_o they_o mean_v the_o roman_a it_o be_v no_o good_a direction_n in_o regard_n as_o we_o have_v show_v before_o it_o be_v very_o subject_a to_o variety_n as_o in_o the_o point_n of_o child_n receive_v of_o the_o eucharist_n 100l_n eucharist_n see_v before_o pag._n 25._o â—_o see_v before_o pag._n 100l_n and_o in_o the_o point_n of_o judge_n and_o the_o like_a all_o which_o be_v full_a of_o uncertainty_n for_o their_o rule_n of_o faith_n we_o see_v that_o this_o may_v be_v in_o the_o roman_a church_n 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aut_fw-la â—â—â—tua_fw-la fuctit_fw-la non_fw-la solum_fw-la haeretica_fw-la est_fw-la sed_fw-la etiam_fw-la impis_fw-la â—_o blasphema_fw-la deceitful_a â—â—llax_n deceitful_a censur_fw-fr be_v 2._o tota_n haec_fw-la propositio_fw-la captiosa_fw-la est_fw-la &_o â—â—llax_n blasphemous_a light_v blasphemous_a see_v before_o light_v erroneous_a â—_o see_v hereafter_o light_v â—_o false_a â—_o false_a see_v before_o light_v â—_o dangerous_a 7._o dangerous_a see_v before_o light_v 7._o absurd_a absurda_fw-la censura_fw-la be_v 9_o absurda_fw-la ambiguous_a â—_o see_v before_o light_v â—_o contrary_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n the_o common_a sense_n of_o the_o father_n and_o of_o the_o universal_a church_n 〈◊〉_d church_n censura_fw-la be_v 7._o propositio_fw-la 〈◊〉_d est_fw-la 〈◊〉_d falsa_fw-la &_o erronea_fw-la nec_fw-la non_fw-la verbo_fw-la dei_fw-la &_o communi_fw-la patrum_fw-la totiusque_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la sensui_fw-la contraria_fw-la â—_o wadding_n legat._n phil._n 3._o sect._n 2._o orat_fw-la 9_o §_o 9_o pro_fw-la petro_n &_o in_o fide_fw-la petrâ—_n succedentibus_fw-la non_fw-la pjo_fw-es concilio_n oravit_fw-la &_o exoravit_fw-la adversus_fw-la hoâ—_n &_o adversus_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la in_o petro_n in_o illisque_fw-la fundatam_fw-la non_fw-la adversus_fw-la concilium_fw-la dixit_fw-la infernum_fw-la non_fw-la praevalituram_fw-la 〈◊〉_d â—oncilia_fw-la errâsse_fw-la viderimus_fw-la quando_fw-la à _fw-la svo_fw-la capitâ—_n à _fw-la quo_fw-la 〈◊〉_d sanctius_fw-la &_o veritatis_fw-la influentia_fw-la recesserant_fw-la vel_fw-la dissenâ—â—râ—nt_fw-la non_fw-la â—â—â—buit_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d â—em_v pontifici_fw-la sed_fw-la à _fw-la pontifice_fw-la habet_fw-la concilitum_fw-la ut_fw-la sit_fw-la ratum_fw-la ac_fw-la 〈◊〉_d for_o counsel_n interpretation_n we_o shall_v have_v as_o much_o to_o do_v for_o to_o find_v out_o the_o sense_n of_o a_o council_n as_o of_o the_o scripture_n itself_o beside_o how_o many_o weak_a particular_n may_v suspend_v a_o council_n 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