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A84287 The Exercitation answered, in the assertions following made good against it. 1 That the usurpation pretended by the exercitator is really no usurpation, by any thing that he hath said to prove it such. 2 That former oaths in controversie oblige not against obedience to present powers. 3 That obedience is due to powers in possession, though unlawfully enter'd. 1650 (1650) Wing E3865; Thomason E597_12; ESTC R201963 43,067 59

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person_n and_o no_o more_o witness_n our_o exercitator_n and_o therefore_o have_v no_o power_n to_o call_v a_o parliament_n and_o now_o let_v the_o reader_n judge_v upon_o the_o whole_a whether_o ever_o there_o be_v such_o a_o felo_fw-la de_fw-fr se_fw-la as_o be_v this_o wretched_a discourse_n of_o our_o exercitator_n or_o whether_o instead_o of_o correct_v one_o he_o have_v not_o show_v himself_o a_o thing_n mere_o make_v up_o of_o a_o heap_n of_o mistake_n but_o to_o proceed_v he_o tell_v we_o page_n 74_o 75._o that_o the_o author_n of_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o obey_v etc._n etc._n have_v but_o half_o quote_v paraeus_n as_o well_o as_o impertinent_o and_o that_o according_a to_o paraeus_n unjust_o get_v power_n be_v not_o of_o god_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o person_n or_o man_n own_v it_o and_o consequen_o not_o to_o be_v obey_v by_o verve_v of_o rom._n 13._o to_o do_v the_o exercitator_n right_a 13._o nec_fw-la refert_fw-la quibus_fw-la medijs_fw-la vel_fw-la artibus_fw-la nimrod_n jeroboam_n aut_fw-la alij_fw-la regra_fw-la sibi_fw-la pa-averint_a nam_fw-la aliud_fw-la est_fw-la potestas_fw-la que_fw-la à_fw-la deo_fw-la est_fw-la aliud_fw-la acquisitio_fw-la &_o usus_a potestaus_n que_fw-fr indisserens_fw-la alias_o legitima_fw-la alias_o illegitina_fw-la parae_fw-la 〈◊〉_d rom._n 13._o we_o shall_v take_v his_o own_o whole_a quotation_n of_o paraeus_n and_o then_o let_v the_o most_o partial_a judge_n whether_o he_o have_v not_o do_v paraeus_n and_o the_o author_n quote_v he_o and_o herein_o the_o reader_n and_o himself_n worng_z in_o force_v a_o sense_n upon_o paraeus_n so_o much_o at_o enmity_n with_o his_o word_n paraeus_n say_v it_o matter_n not_o by_o what_o mean_v nimrod_n jeroboam_n or_o other_o get_v kingdom_n to_o themselves_o for_o the_o power_n which_o be_v of_o god_n be_v one_o thing_n the_o get_n and_o use_n of_o the_o power_n be_v another_o which_o be_v indifferent_a sometime_o lawful_a sometime_o unlawful_a and_o again_o dubijs_fw-la whether_o both_o paraeus_n and_o the_o exercitator_n himself_o refer_v we_o so_o the_o full_a explication_n of_o this_o place_n we_o must_v discern_v betwixt_o the_o power_n which_o be_v ever_o of_o god_n and_o betwixt_o the_o get_n and_o use_n of_o the_o power_n ibid._n discernendum_fw-la test_n inter_fw-la potesta_fw-la they_o que_fw-la semper_fw-la à_fw-la deo_fw-la est_fw-la &_o inter_fw-la àcquisitionem_fw-la &_o usurpationem_fw-la que_fw-la quod_fw-la homines_fw-la saepe_fw-la est_fw-la injustissima_fw-la non_fw-la à_fw-la deo_fw-la sed_fw-la ad_fw-la hominem_fw-la affectibus_fw-la &_o statnae_n malitia_fw-la idem_fw-la ibid._n which_o as_o to_o man_n be_v often_o most_o unjust_a not_o of_o god_n but_o of_o man_n lust_n and_o satan_n malice_n wherefore_o to_o examine_v the_o true_a sense_n of_o the_o premise_n and_o compare_v they_o with_o the_o exercitator_n deduction_n it_o matter_n not_o say_v paraeus_n by_o what_o mean_n or_o craft_n nimrod_n jeroboam_n or_o other_o what_o other_o our_o exercitator_n shall_v answer_v other_o usurper_n for_o such_o he_o have_v prove_v jeroboam_n more_o than_o once_o beside_o such_o get_v kingdom_n to_o themselves_o by_o craft_n etc._n etc._n again_o it_o matter_n not_o say_v paraeus_n in_o what_o respect_n matter_n in_o not_o reason_n and_o truth_n shall_v answer_v in_o respect_n of_o their_o authority_n to_o command_v and_o the_o subject_n duty_n to_o obey_v for_o in_o the_o word_n immediate_o forego_v he_o be_v prove_v that_o civil_a power_n be_v the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n and_o add_v although_o in_o the_o hand_n of_o nimrod_n or_o jeroboam_n as_o he_o express_o affirm_v concern_v the_o former_a ad._n 2._o de_fw-fr nimrodo_fw-la and_o concern_v the_o latter_a as_o express_o add_v 1_o hos_fw-la 8.4_o last_o it_o matter_n not_o say_v paraeus_n why_o matter_n it_o not_o why_o because_o the_o power_n howsoever_o and_o by_o whosoever_o get_v be_v ever_o of_o god_n and_o consequent_o from_o he_o derive_v its_o authority_n to_o command_v and_o for_o he_o require_v our_o duty_n to_o obey_v and_o thus_o to_o eye_n god_n in_o our_o obedience_n be_v to_o obey_v according_a to_o rom._n 13.5_o for_o conscience_n sake_n in_o the_o judgement_n of_o paraeus_n with_o who_o the_o annotation_n of_o our_o own_o divine_n concur_v and_o yet_o our_o learned_a exercitator_n say_v but_o sure_o he_o see_v not_o what_o he_o say_v paraeus_n in_o your_o place_n speak_v nothing_o pro_fw-la or_o con_v of_o obedience_n to_o usurper_n when_o notwithstanding_o have_v travel_v some_o then_o line_n further_o towards_o the_o end_n of_o that_o paragraph_n forget_v that_o he_o have_v say_v in_o the_o beginning_n so_o treacherous_a be_v his_o memory_n that_o paraeus_n speak_v nothing_o against_o obedience_n to_o usurper_n he_o tell_v we_o from_o the_o latter_a quotation_n which_o himself_o as_o well_o as_o paraeus_n make_v interpretative_a to_o she_o former_a he_o tell_v we_o most_o gross_o contradict_v himself_o and_o the_o truth_n that_o paraeus_n be_v against_o obedience_n to_o usurper_n by_o virtue_n of_o rom._n 13._o 13._o non_fw-la quecunque_fw-la per_fw-la vim_o vel_fw-la dolum_fw-la acquiruntur_fw-la cum_fw-la sint_fw-la per_fw-la se_fw-la bona_fw-la cessant_fw-la esse_fw-la d●_n deo_fw-la dissere_fw-la nendum_fw-la est_fw-la enim_fw-la interjus_fw-la dei_fw-la quod_fw-la in_o res_fw-la bonas_fw-la nun_n quam_fw-la amittis_fw-la à_fw-la quibuscunque_fw-la teneantur_fw-la &_o teneantur_fw-la &_o inter_fw-la judicia_fw-la dei_fw-la puibus_fw-la bona_fw-la sva_fw-la sic_fw-la distribuit_fw-la ut_fw-la in_o eorum_fw-la acqui_fw-la suione_fw-la &_o usu_fw-la vitium_fw-la hominum_fw-la aliquando_fw-la concurrere_fw-la permittat_fw-la etc._n etc._n sic_fw-la igitur_fw-la de_fw-la acquisitione_n etiam_fw-la imperiorem_fw-la &_o regnorum_fw-la quoe_v perce_n quae_fw-la greci_fw-la quae_fw-la romani_fw-la iujustice_n fere_n bellis_fw-la &_o oppressionibas_fw-la acquisiverunt_fw-la est_fw-la judicandum_fw-la parae_fw-la in_o rom._n 13._o once_o more_o and_o we_o have_v do_v paraeus_n say_v thing_n that_o be_v good_a in_o themselves_o cease_v not_o to_o be_v from_o god_n bowever_o get_v by_o force_n or_o fraud_n for_o we_o must_v discern_v betwixt_o the_o right_n of_o god_n which_o he_o never_o loose_v in_o good_a thing_n by_o whosoever_o and_o howsoever_o possess_v and_o betwixt_o the_o judgement_n of_o god_n by_o which_o he_o distribute_v his_o good_a thing_n so_o as_o he_o sometime_o suffer_v the_o viciousness_n man_n to_o concur_v in_o the_o get_n and_o use_n of_o they_o etc._n etc._n thus_o thereforo_n be_v we_o to_o judge_v of_o the_o get_n even_o of_o empier_n and_o kingdom_n which_o the_o persian_n which_o the_o grecian_n which_o the_o roman_n get_v for_o the_o most_o part_n by_o unjust_a war_n and_o oppression_n and_o according_o ad_fw-la 2._o de._n nimrodo_n not_o far_o before_o the_o word_n cite_v by_o the_o exercitator_n himself_o paraeus_n say_v however_o nimrod_n be_v a_o oppressor_n and_o tyrant_n yet_o it_o follow_v not_o that_o his_o power_n be_v not_o of_o god_n yet_o nor_o modest_a exercitator_n blush_v not_o to_o affirm_v that_o paraeus_n say_v unjust_o get_v power_n be_v not_o of_o god_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o person_n or_o man_n own_v it_o can_v any_o thing_n be_v spaken_v more_o apparent_o untrue_a in_o itself_o by_o one_o that_o profess_v himself_o studious_a of_o truth_n more_o injurious_a beyond_o all_o modesty_n both_o to_o paraeus_n and_o the_o author_n quote_v he_o by_o a_o exercitator_n pretend_v to_o modesty_n yet_o if_o he_o have_v answer_v without_o book_n again_o it_o have_v be_v tolerable_a but_o to_o accuse_v his_o antagonist_n of_o a_o partial_a and_o imperninent_a quotation_n and_o yet_o himself_o after_o a_o profess_a consultation_n with_o paraeus_n to_o use_v such_o enforcement_n to_o the_o clear_a letter_n of_o the_o author_n in_o the_o fair_a language_n that_o can_v be_v give_v it_o it_o be_v not_o fair_a to_o conclude_v it_o be_v observable_a here_o that_o while_o paraeus_n maintain_v the_o authority_n of_o nimrod_n and_o jeroboam_n to_o be_v of_o god_n he_o neither_o take_v away_o usurpation_n from_o they_o nor_o give_v they_o a_o right_a title_n and_o according_o salon_n after_o he_o have_v full_o and_o undeniable_o prove_v the_o duty_n of_o obey_v the_o just_a command_n of_o a_o usurper_n yet_o counsel_v the_o usurper_n to_o leave_v his_o usurpation_n and_o to_o get_v the_o express_a consent_n of_o the_o people_n it_o be_v not_o necessary_a therefore_o as_o the_o exercitator_n will_v infer_v that_o a_o tacit_a consent_n of_o the_o people_n to_o obey_v take_v away_o usurpation_n for_o the_o consent_n can_v justify_v no_o further_o than_o it_o go_v and_o it_o go_v no_o further_o in_o this_o case_n then_o to_o give_v authority_n to_o the_o usurper_n just_a command_n for_o the_o present_a good_a of_o the_o commonwealth_n and_o upon_o this_o ground_n it_o be_v that_o the_o law_n give_v authority_n to_o a_o lord_n of_o manor_n though_o a_o disseisor_n to_o hold_v a_o court_n and_o the_o tenant_n may_v swear_v fealty_n to_o he_o and_o do_v he_o service_n yet_o neither_o justify_v the_o disseisor_n