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A54177 The new witnesses proved old hereticks, or, Information to the ignorant in which the doctrines of John Reeve and Lodowick Muggleton, which they stile, mysteries never before known, revealed, or heard of from the foundation of the world, are proved to be mostly ancient whimsies, blasphemies and heresies, from the evidence of Scripture, reason and several historians : also an account of some discoourse betwixt L.M. and my self, by which his blasphemous, ignorant and unsavory spirit is clearly and truly manifested, in love to the immortal souls of those few, who are concern'd in the belief of his impostures / by a living true witness to that one eternal way of God, revealed in the light of righteousness W.P. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1672 (1672) Wing P1326; ESTC R15258 38,470 64

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Phantastick and Imaginary Persons is a Consequence of the former namely the Mortality of the Soul That the Soul and Body go to Dust and rise together at a general Resurrection That it is inconsistent with SCRIPTURE I prove First And the Lord God formed Man of the Dust of the Ground and breathed into his Nostrils the breath of Life and Man became a Living Soul Gen. 2.7 If the Breath of Life made a dead Body live then the Privation of the Breath of Life makes a living Body dead since the life it has was from and is whilst that Breath inspired remains in it and if so then not the Soul but the Body dyes 2. This is further proved thus If it was living Breath before it entred into the Body it must be living Breath after it is withdrawn from the Body since the Body makes no alteration upon it but it upon the Body as from a life-less Heap to a living Body and from a living to a dead Body again 3. Though some of those things which are living may dye because they live by the borrowed or lent Life of another yet very Life as Life cannot dye for since Life and Death are contrary as Light and Darkness because very Light can never in it self be utterly extinguished by Darkness so as to become very Darkness nor Truth Vntruths by Error it is impossible that the Breath of Life or Soul of Man can suffer death as here understood for that were very annihilation it self or being from an intelligent Something made Nothing Secondly And he cryed unto the Lord and said O Lord my God hast thou also brought Evil upon the Widdow with whom I sojourn by slaying her Son And he stretched himself over the Child Three times and cryed and said O Lord my God I pray thee Let this Child's Soul come into him again And the Lord heard the Voice of Elijah and the Soul of the Child came into him again and he revived 1 Kings 17.20 21 22. If the Soul was with-drawn when the Body lay dead as the place proveth then the Soul lay not dead from all Motion Life and Heat in the Body as one inseparable Lump But the Soul was separated and when it did return according to Elijah's Prayer and had resumed its forsaken dead Body it revived the Body again therefore the Soul dyed not with the Body nor at all inasmuch as if it had dyed when separated it could not have revived the dead Body when returned In short This place most expresly proves 1st The Body's death from the Soul's separation 2dly The Soul 's certain departure from the Body 3dly The Soul 's living after separation Thirdly Then shall the Dust return to the Dust as it was and the Spirit to God that gave it Eccl. 12.7 This place very evidently harmonizeth with the former and is a pregnant Instance to the Confutation of that Atheistical Opinion and as pertinent here as where mentioned For as Man is composed of Body and Spirit so they have two Originals the one from below Dust the other from above the Breath of Life They have also two Dooms the Dust to the Dust from whence it came the Soul to God from whence it came to be by him sentenced to the Blessed or Cursed State forever according to the end of that Chapter For God will bring every secret thing to Judgment from whence I argue 1. That only can properly return to Earth that came from it that is Dust But the Soul never came from Dust nor Earth as Reeve and Muggleton affirm p. 45. T.S.T. Therefore it is impossible that the Soul can truly be said to return to the Earth 2. That which returns to God is what more immediately and eminently came from him and that cannot dye But the Soul doth to the end aforesaid Therefore the Soul came from him and dyeth not neither can it with the Body return to Dust Fourthly Be not afraid of them that kill the Body and after that have no more that they can do Luke 12.4 If Reeve and Muggleton speak Truth then he that kills the Body kills the Soul too for he cannot kill the one without the other But Christ Jesus the Author of Truth and Salvation saith The Body may be killed by Man and the Soul remain alive therefore Reeve and Muggleton are Lyars against Christ and his Doctrine The Body's Death is Natural the Soul 's Spiritual Mans Power extendeth but to one and consequently the latter is independent of the former Fifthly For me to live is Christ to dye is Gain but if I live in the Flesh or Body this is the Fruit of my Labour yet what I shall chose I wot not for I am in a streight betwixt two having a desire to depart and be with Christ which is far better Phil. 1.21 23. From whence I plainly argue 1. If to dye was Gain then he was not to enjoy less of that divine Consolation which he had living since to live was Christ But he that has lain Body and Soul One Thousand Six Hundred Years in the Grave and may for ought we know One Thousand Six Hundred more must needs have lost not only a little but all that he enjoyed Living instead of further Gain Therefore I infer Their Principle of the Soul's Mortality is contrary to the Testimony of the Apostle for with him to dye was Gain That this was the Apostle's sence I proceed yet further to make appear from his own words 2. The Reason of his streight was Whether to live to serve Christ or dye to enjoy him But this had been no streight if he was to lose what he had and not to enjoy him after departure in any sense as the Dead don't therefore it was not the Apostle's Judgment though it was Wicked Reeve's and Blasphemous Muggleton's That the Soul is deprived with the Body by Death of all Divine Enjoyments of God or Punishment from him till the Day of Resurrection For the Apostle counted it far better to depart and be with Christ which had been a Vain if an In-obtainable Desire as would follow from their Anti-Scriptural Opinion Sixthly And when he had opened the Fifth Seal I saw under the Altar the Souls of them that were slain for the Word of God and for the Testimony which they had held and they cryed with a loud Voice saying How long O Lord Holy and True dost thou not Judge and Avenge our Blood on them that dwell on the Earth Revel 6.9 10. If their Souls lived after their Bodies were Slain then they did not dye together but the Scripture proves their Souls lived after their Bodies were Slain for they cryed for Vengeance on the Blood-thirsty Inhabitants of the World therefore Souls are not Mortal as Bodies are In short Their Bodies were slain their Souls were alive their Bodies were in the Grave their Souls under the Altar worshipping God Day and Night forever and ever That this is against REASON I further Prove First
his Imaginations called himself Moses and Aaron his Brother as Reeves called himself and Muggleton T.S.T. see Epiphanius Haeres 57. By all which Reader I am not without hopes but it does appear how Falsly and with what Treachery these Persons have dealt with poor silly People who not being satisfied in what they did know haye pin'd their Faith on the sleeves of such as told them things they did not know and so have been given up to believe a Lye For what is more evident then that in this very Tryal he and his deceased Colleague are found guilty of Error Treachery and great Deceit Therefore Reader delay not to passe the Just Sentence of Impostor and Counterfeit upon them and their Commission who would raise to themselves a New Sect out of the Ruins of old Heresies and that under the Pretence of Choice Revelations wherein there is no Proof beyond their bare Assertions and to make them pass forge an Authority from Heaven which loaths both them and their Lyes to back and recommend them as unheard of Mysteries O! sell not thy Reason who ever thou art enslave not thy Judgment nor rob God's Light and Grace of its Office to guide and teach thee in the Denial of those Evils that are to be forsaken and in Imbracing whatsoever ought to be followed Bring not thy self under the Power of an Ignorant Arrogant Blasphemous and Sottish Man but remember that God Almighty who cannot lye hath promised that in the last dayes He would be the Teacher of his People by his Spirit of Truth and where is the Habitation of the most-High but in the Contrite and Humble Hearts of Men For whasoever may or can be known of God is manifested within who having illuminated all and given to every Man a Talent into it Reader have thy Mind retired and wait to have it subject thereunto and thou shalt come to know him whom to know aright is Life Eternal But as I have plainly shown their abominable Cheat in obtruding Old Fables for New Revelations upon People whereby I have discharg'd the first part of my Promise So for a Confirmation of my Judgment concerning Muggleton and to accomplish this abridg'd Discourse take my following Relation with the same impartiallity that I give it thee I Have been twice to visit Lodowick Muggleton and at each time I staid too long to repeat all or the very words which passed betwixt us yet shall I faithfully write something of the matter and words as neer as I at present do remember them P. Art thou the last Witness that ever shall be Muggleton Yes and there shall never be another P. Who sent thee M. God spoke to John Reeve and he spoke to me P. Is that all thou hast to produce only J. R's word for it to this he avoided Again P. Thou sayest God did not create the Earth and the Heavens he only fathom'd them making them Co-eternal with God but Moses said he did Let me see a Bible M. Moses put the Cart before the Horse This I bore for the next Question 's sake P. Paul the Apostle who also wrote by the Inspiration of the Holy Ghost saith God created all things or made them and the World is a great part of all things besides if it was before he made it in this sense must it not be God since nothing which is uncreated can be a Creature M. If Paul were living I would have reproved him for that Come not here to Dispute but Believe I say it that 's enough P. Canst thou reprove the Holy Ghost for he spake by it M. Yes P. That 's Blasphemy besides if thou sayst it must I therefore believe it because thou sayst it At this he grew inraged and but for an Acquaintance by and a Friend of his I had doubtless been Curst at that time The next time I came wich a Friend in company I found him sitting by the Chimny Corner quaffing with some of his Followers and Benefactors as what we saw before us did Evidence My first salute was thus P. How is it Lodowick methinks thou lookst with thy old thred-bare black Suit like a sequestered begging Priest M. I am a Priest P. Art thou Of what Order M. The Order of Aaron P. Aaron where be thy Bells then M. I have them in the Mystery P. Mystery for shame don't talk of a Mystery for there was some such thing that did belong to that Order things were altogether External Typical and Figurative Methinks this were enough to show that thou art no wayes concern'd in any Christian Commission who art not a Priest after the Order of Melchisedeck but Aaron whose Priesthood is at an end as said the Apostle to the Hebrews chap. 7. so that thou hast Vnchristian'd thy whole Commission and brings it under the Law of a Carnal Commandment and therefore has no Part nor Portion in the Power of an Endless Life as saith the same Apostle He interrupted M. Have a care Life and Death 's before thee therefore chuse Life and live c. P. But Lodowick Thou pretendest to know the Dimensions of God how high may he be M. Betwixt your Height and his meaning a Friend then present P. O Abominable Well L. Muggleton God will blast thee forever thou Presumptuous and Blasphemous Wretch If thou turnest not from the Wickedness with much more M. Thou shalt be Damned God has decreed thou shalt be Damned thou art of the seed of the Serpent P. Why then didst thou set Life and Death before me just now saying thou hadst more mind I should be saved then any of the Quakers if I am ordain'd to be damn'd Is it not great Deceit to exhort a man to chuse what he cannot have though he bid for it and to refuse that which he is unable to avoid But Muggleton I will not say that I serve such a God no my God never ordained thee to be Damned whether thou dost Well or Ill this destroyes all Rewards and Punishments and makes Evil and Good unavoidable M. I would not give a Pinn for that God which would save us both now I have Damn'd thee P. Why dost thou talk of a God for thou sayst Thy God can dye did the Immortal God ever cease to be M. I would not give a Rush for that God which can't dye P. I say thou and thy God shall to the Pit from whence ye came where is Death and Darkness forever how can God cease to be and yet be God since if he ceast every thing that remained in being must have been greater since below ceasing to be is nothing But suppose this Nonsense and Blasphemies how rose he again M. God left Elias with Power P. Then Elias was greater then God for that which raiseth is greater then that which is raised but if the Power never dyed the Power was God and that which dyed not God O Hellish Impudence and Blasphemy O Muggleton thy End will be Destruction M. W. P. I say thou