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A89836	A discovery of the man of sin, acting in a mystery of iniquitie, pleading for his kingdom, against the coming of Christ to take away sin. Or, an answer to a book set forth by Tho. Weld of Gateshead, Richard Prideaux, Sam. Hamond, Will. Cole, and Will. Durant of Newcastle. By way of reply to an answer of James Nayler's to their former book, called The perfect Pharisee: who call themselves ministers of Christ, but are found ministring for the kingdom of Antichrist. Published for clearing the innocency of the truth from their malicious slanders, and discovering their deceits. By one whom the world calls James Nayler.	Naylor, James, 1617?-1660.	1654 (1654)	Wing N274; Thomason E738_16; ESTC R202155	50,411	56

of use every day in bearing witness with us against you and your Heathenish Worships and unsanctified lives who are belly-gods evil beasts And for you that say the four books are the Gospel make it appear you never knew him who is the glad things which Gospel was manifest before these books were written and is everlasting Sixthly you charge upon us the owning of an immediate call and the Word of the Lord coming to us To which I answer Let all the Prophets and Apostles and holy men of God in the Scripture witness against you who all owned the immediate call and the Word of the Lord and be you witnesses against your selves that you never had the Word of the Lord coming unto you but are of those who say Thus saith the Lord when the Lord never spoke unto you Jerem. 23. from vers 21. to 33. but are lyers and false Prophets by your own confession who reckon it up as a blasphemous doctrine to witness the Word of the Lord coming unto us and be also witnesses against your selves who deny an immediate call that you never were called of God for his call is immediate whereby he hath called his and sent them forth which call I witness from the mouth of the Lord. But you are of those who run unsent and therefore do not profit the people whose call is mediate and so never any was called by God and so are made Ministers by the will of man And as your Call is carnal and mediate so is your Ministery who have not the Word of the Lord but what you steal from your neighbour out of a book which none of the true Pr●phets of the Lord ever did and so out of your own mouth be ye judged and discovered to all the children of light to be in the errour Seventhly you charge us with putting abundance of holiness in fasting beggerly apparel wandering up and down the world To which I answer Our holiness is in Christ But you that scorn fasting and wandering up and down scorn that which the holy men of God ever owned Heb 11. 37 38. Christ fasted and the Prophets and Apostles were in fastings often Christ wandered up and down and had not whereon to lay his head and many followed him And the Apostles wandered to and fro and had no certain dwelling place 1 Cor. 4. 11. Now had you lived in their days you would have reproached them as you do those that follow them now and so here I charge you to be acted by a contrary spirit to Christ the Prophets and Apostles And for beggerly apparel you that reproach us because that we have cast off needless pride and excess for no other beggerly apparel do I know used amongst us you would have reproached those who wandered up and dow in sheeps skins and goats skins lodged in dens and caves of the earth for such were hated by your generation then as we are now And now let all judge by what spirit you are acted who would make the world believe these were the fruits of the man of sin and the mystery of the Babylonish iniquity And for your smiling at my weakness in saying that Gog and Magog are gathered together against Christ and his kingdom which you would put far off from your selves to the Turks and Saracens at the conversion of the Jews I tell you The Jews are converting and you are of those Heathens who are banding together against Christ with Gog and Magog who is king of the Jews and you are discovered to be enemies unto him and the Trumpet is sounded and the Battel is begun and your rage is great with the rest of the Heathen But the Lamb must take the kingdom blessed be our God for ever And whereas you accuse me for saying that you can scarcely agree among your selves in that which you call the worship of God Have I spoken here any thing but truth as they that know you may witness with me though you would put it off to matters of Discipline And you accuse A. P. to report it which is false and here I charge you Priests to minister lyes and to slander him for he hath not reported it to me But it seems your consciences accuse you and you would charge it upon him but your practice reports it And whereas you say this doth not make you like Herod and Pilate neither do I say that onely doth but your joyning together in one against Christ and his kingdom and your hatred against the truth therein you resemble them And whereas you bring Paul and Peter to warrant your divisions you may let their conditions alone for few in the Nation live more unlike Paul and Peter then you therefore go not about to make them like your selves who live in pride and covetousness as Lords and Masters over your hearers suing or compelling them to pay you tythes or wages running from place to place for more money and call that your call to the Ministery and deny the immediate call of Christ and the word of the Lord coming to you which the Apostles never did therefore for shame never compare your selves to the Apostles who are found amongst the hirelings and false prophets And whereas you would excuse your selves from speaking evil of our forsaking the world and would cover it over with deceitful words Let any that reads your words judge if they be not spoken in reproach to that our practice who call it but a pretence and our obedience in answering the call of Christ in forsaking the world this you call a sinful neglect of our families And do you not belye the Apostle when you say he calls those the rudiments of the world And do not those who forsake the world forsake the pride and lust of it which you live in And whereas you say it is a sinful neglect of our families and you know it to be a sin and yet you say you speak not against the world in its proper Gospel-sense and you instance Fox and Nayler as two evident examples of it And you say We do sinfully neglect our callings To which I answer Jesus Christ having called us forth by his immediate voice to leave all and follow him to do the work he hath for us to do Whether obeying and coming forth contrary to our own wills taking up our Cross and following him or disobeying and abiding in our estates and pleasures in the world now in a gospel-Gospel-sense whether of these is a sinful neglect of our callings let the Scriptures of the Prophets and Apostles and all the holy men of God judge who have been called and obeyed and come forth and condemn you and your slander who are ignorant of the call of Christ and do oppose it in them who obey it and call it sinful and you bring Scriptures to oppose it which will fall upon your own backs As for providing for our families 1 Tim. 5. 8. they are provided for by him who provides for us

the cross for his people he doth the same now and so is the same yesterday to day and for ever Heb. 13. 8. which cross you that live in your pride and lusts of the flesh will not take up and therefore the works of the devil remain in you undestroyed And for the Scriptures you alleadge do any of them say that Christ hath destroyed the works of the devil for them who live in sin for to commit sin is the work of the devil And first you say Christ hath destroyed the works of the devil upon the cross and then you say the works of Satan shall be destroyed in the time appointed of the Father and he shall present us spotless at his coming which time of the Fathers appointment and coming of Christ to present spotless you appear to be ignorant of for the Fathers time is To day to them that will hear his voice And the coming of Christ without sin unto salvation and presenting spotless is witnessed And whereas you go about to make people believe that though they die the servants of sin yet they shall be compleat in Christ and be made glorious and perfect and holy after death which is your own imagination here I charge you in the presence of the living God to be in the Papists faith to encourage people to live in sin while they live and for which you have no Scripture for I challenge you to bring one Scripture which doth say That perfection and holiness are reserved till after death or that any shall inherit them after death or one Scripture that saies Men shall live in sin while they are upon the earth who cannot witness them here but as men die so shall they come to judgement and so shall be proceeded against without any holiness added to them after death And thus you are not afraid to deceive souls and hold things contrary to plain Scripture to deceive withal which at that day you shall accompt for which will be terrible to all deceivers and whereas you would wrest those words of Christ Mat. 5. 18. Not one jot or tittle of the Law shall pass away until all be fulfilled and this you would wrest to make the Law void as though God did not require it to be fulfilled and you say this was the scle and alone work of Christ which work of Christ you know not in your selves who puts it far from you for they who witness the work of Christ they know that he who did fulfil the Law doth fulfil the it in every generation of the Saints who believe in him and so by faith the Law is established and not made void and whereas you say It is not said in all the book of God that the righteousness of the Law is fulfilled in this life in any Saints and here I charge you all to be lyers in the presence of the living God But you say the contrary is asserted I answer It seems you hold a fulfilling of it after death but read Rom. 8. 3 4. and let the Scripture be witness against you which saith in plain words That Christ came for that end to fulfil the Law in the Saints which they could not do through the weakness of the flesh and there is no Scripture that asserts the contrary without your wrestings which I deny as you have wrested and turned many Scriptures here to your own destruction and to destroy others turning them into your sence to another end then for which the holy Ghost gave them forth for the Spirit of God did never give out the Scripture to plead for sin while men live but they are so plain to all your wresting of them that I forbear to mention them in particular and whereas you slander us to hold up Popish notions and inherent holiness that is your own practise and your own words which we deny And you that say May not a man be in part unclean and yet pure and spotless too by reason of imputation Here you now shew your confusion and I command you to shew plain Scripture for this without twining And now let any who sees your pleading for sin and uncleanness which Christ came to take away judge if you are not the upholders of what Christ came to destroy and here you are Antichrists and by your pleading for sin is the man of sin discovered in you who pleads for his kingdom while men live and how I am a Railer for laying open these truths let any judge where the man of sin is discovered and you are found faithful to therein you are in the doctrine of the Papists your Master The eleventh Position That every man in the world hath a light within him sufficient to guide him to salvation without the help of any outward light or discovery And in your Reyly you deceitfully put in that word saving light which is not spoken by me for though Christ be the light of the world that enlightens all yet none are saved by him but who believe and follow him out of the works of darkness but to the rest it is the condemnation that light is come into world and they love darkness and their evil deeds and here are you to be condemned with it who are enemies to the light and pleads against it and so lives in works of darkness And whereas you say None can come except the Father draw them it 's true but those drawings you and all that hate the light do resist And whereas you say Every one that hath heard and learned of the Father cometh to me It 's true and that 's the reason why you who own not the teachings of the Father but counts it blasphemy to witness his voice come not to Christ but are at a distance from him and for John 1. 4 5. which you say Is clear against me and you say They were in darkness for want of light but John saith The light shined in darkness and he came unto his own and they received him not John 1. And here John shews the cause why they were in darkness was because they received not the light for as many as received him became the sons of God and thus what John saith you hold the contrary and you say that of Joh. 3. 19. This is the condemnation that light is come into the world is full against me but how that is full against my witnessing every man to have a light let any man see but you sure think that people are bound to believe any thing you say without any further trial but the light is come and you must now lead none but who are wilfully blinde And for the third branch of my answer That where the light of Christ is there needs no outward discovery to this you say You have abundantly proved that Christ is not in all nor doth enlighten all I answer Your proofs are contrary to plain Scripture in this as in all the rest for the Scripture saith Christ is in all Jew

own nor in my own will and wisdome and though you would make the people beleeve it is not answered that so you might glory in your selves and provoke others to glory in you also yet any that is wise may see that what your envy hath cast upon us in your 17. particulars That which we hold and practise is owned and proved by Scripture and that which is false is denied in plainness of speech without deceit but to follow you in your janglings and wrestings of Scripture wherein you bring one Scripture to cross another as is plain in your Book and so walke unprofitably was not my way but rather to edification for your confusion is plain to any spiritual eye and I need not add to it nor do I delight in such things further then for the truths sake I am moved for the day is come that all shall be manifest and you cannot be hid Secondly You accuse me for grosly perverting the Scripture to which I answer I suppose the Reader will not finde any private interpretation by me put upon any Scripture but quoted as they are without adding any sense to them but leaves them to the Reader to view now whether I pervert them who quotes them as they are in plain words as they are set down or you who give your private meanings on them and brings one to oppose and cross another and who perverts the Scripture is plain to any who are guided by the same Spirit who gave them forth and I leave it to such to judge Thirdly You accuse me with palpable shufflings to which I answer Shuffling and deceit I abhorre and love and practise plainness and truth and that is your advantage you have against us as all your forefathers the persecutors ever had against Christ and his Saints who when they could not condemn them by any witness without them yet they would aske them many questions to ensnare them for the subtil serpent knows that they who are of the spiritual Seed dare not deny that before men which they own before God though they suffer for it and I know I shall not be accused as shuffling in my answer by any but those of your Generation and in my Conscience I am cleared of it in the sight of God and so your slanders toucheth me not but shal be your own garments to wear Fourthly You accuse me of miserable weakness and you say you cannot but smile at it and may laugh at my ignorance to which I answer Herein you declare to all men what Spirit you are of who glory in your own strength and laugh at the weakness of others which none that ever was guided by the Spirit of Christ ever did but laugh on a while yet know your woe is coming and your laughter shall be turned into weeping and howling and for my weakness as you call it where is my strength and ignorance at which you so much rejoyce if the strength and wisdom of God be but made perfect in it that is it I wait for and herein shall the Scriptures be fulfilled 1 Cor. 1. 27. that God hath chosen the weake and foolish things to confound the mighty and wise take notice of it betimes you sturdy oakes and tall cedars and tremble ye mountains at his presence Fifthly You accuse me with horrible rayling To which I answer What language have I used against you except such as the Spirit of God in Scriptures gives to those of your generation if I have not the language of the same Spirit why doe you not mention it in particular but so often accuse in general to render me odious but deceit is got into such fine colours that it cannot beare a plaine language for the divel would not be discovered and plainly dealt with where he is and therefore he hath bred up his children in manners that they must not call him that vents his lyes a lyar nor him whom he hath deceived and sent out deceive others a deceiver nor one who takes hire a hireling though they be found in the very act but some finer words must be used and here you that cannot beare the Scripture language but cals it rayling shews to all what brood you are of who would not be plainly dealt with but who is guided by the Spirit of God is taught not to flatter but to use plainness of speech yet not in envy and whosoever is free from opinion and reads over both our writings may easily finde out raylers scorners lyars slanderers and false accusers and let such judge And now a few words to the rest of your slanders in particular as for that you call a short draught of my answer I shall not say any thing to it here being the many lyes that are in it are so plainly discovered to all who have read my answer and will more fully be layd open hereafter when we come to the particulars The first slander is grounded upon my subscribing my self one whom the world cals James Nayler and you say you are jealous of a mystery of Iniquitie from these words and though you confess the ground to be your own jealousie yet you proceed to slander upon it and tels where the mysterie lyes and this you say is to cloake our pretence of being equal with God and that we herein depart from Scripture and would conclude God and Christ under carnal observations or else teach them to speak To which I answer How any whom these men love not can be free from their aspersions let any man judge who can so highly slander upon the ground of their own jealousie and how this jealousie is grounded any may judge For first are not the words true am not I one whom the world cals James Nayler and they know no other name and yet the Scripture speaks Rev. 2. 17. of him that overcometh having a new Name that no man knows but he that hath it and how do we here depart from Scripture nay who witness the new man establish the Scripture and witness the promise of Christ fulfilled in him and here I charge you in the presence of the living God to be coatrary to the Scriptures and the Spirit that gave them forth and with it shall be judged eternally and that new name you know not as you make it appear and how we exclude God and Christ under carnal observations or teach them to speak in owning the promise fulfilled and if this be not a most wicked and wilfull slander cast upon us to make us odious let the Reader judge And you would have the people beleeve that the man of sin is to be found at Rome that so they may not discover him neerer hand in your selves but they who observe your practise preaching loe here and loe there and printing for the upholding of the kingdom of sin making people beleeve they shall never be free from it while they are on the earth they where the Spirit of Christ is doth discover the man of

it but if these words be not expresly found there as I know they are not then all your shuffling will not cleare you but the lye is found in your mouth what I have sayd of you will be found true for it is one thing to say Christ is a figure or example and another thing to say with all he did and suffered was but a figure and nothing but an example and whereas you bring Iohn Iaques testimony to strengthen your slander against me that I should write to Henry Holme that if he expected to be saved by him that dyed at Jerusalem ●e was deceived I answer Many things are cast upon us by words and so by words must be proved or disproved but this being in a letter as you say why is not the letter produced which was my desire at the Sessions when I was accused but none of you mine accusers could produce any such Letter and I challenge John Jaques Henry Holm and you all to produce such a letter of my writing that hath those words in it or any thing in it wherein that Christ which died at Jerusalem is denied for salvation and what was written to Henry Holm I writ with my own hands as divers that were present can witness and a copy of it was taken which was afterwards delivered to the Justices whereby they saw the envious slanders cast upon me to be false now produce that letter that I wrote to Henry Holm and here I command you and charge you in the presence of the living God you Priests to bring forth that note and it will clear me which I know none of you dare lest you be found lyars And whereas you challenge me to produce one Scripture wherein Christ is called a figure I answer My words were A figure or example which in my sense are both one wherein he shewed or figured out the way for Christians to follow and the word figure I spake not as from the Scripture but in relation to Richard Hubbethornes letter which if his own sence may be taken of his words he saith A figure or an holding out in out ward actions among men those things that he will truly spiritually and really do in the spirits of his people at his second coming and these are witnessed to be his words in William Mores letter which sence considered by any charitable Christian the word figure will not appear so hainous a crime as you would make it though the word example I own to be the language of the Scriptures Now for your 6. Position That men are not justified by that righteousness of Christ which he in his own person did fulfil without us and you charge it upon us as hainous blasphemy to witness Christ in us our justification but what a justification is that of yours which is without which is contrary to what the Saints witnessed in the Scripture for their justification was in the Spirit and what is in the Spirit is within and they witnessed Christ in them for sanctification justification hope of glory and Christ was in them which differed them from reprobates but your justification which is without you is in the outward man at a distance Christ is without you and so God ever witnessed and ye bring many Scriptures but not one of them that speaks of a justification without That we are justified freely by his grace we own and that God hath set him forth to be a propitiation that he was wounded for our transgressions and that he laid on him the iniquities of us all and his sufferings we own and we witness what he did he doth still in us and bears and supports us and so the remainders of the sufferings of Christ that are yet behinde are by him fulfilled in us and by his mighty working in us is the man of sin cast out And this we witness the sufferings of Christ in us now bearing your reproaches and persecution and imprisonments and all the venom the Serpent can cast upon him and by his sufferings shall he bruise that which is head in you and all the persecutors in the world And this we witness and deny your justification which is without which stands in words without power Now to the seventh Position That men are justified by that righteousness which Christ within us enabled us to perform or which is in effect as some of them have expressed by inherent holiness And you bring many proofs that we say The light in us will not onely discover sin but redeem from it and bring to the fear of God and so lead up to justification in the exercise of a pure conscience towards God and man I answer For the Position as you have framed it up with your own words of inherent holiness and the like your words we deny But that the light of Christ which we witness in us is sufficient to lead out of darkness bring into the fear of God and to exercise a pure conscience before God and man in the power of Christ this we witness according to the words of Christ who is our justification and the Apostles and yours to be contrary thereunto Joh. 8. 12. I am the light of the world he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness but shall have the light of life And whereas you charge me with saying that no unperfect thing can be reconciled to God and you would bring Paul for a proof who said he was carnal and sold under sin and what he would do that he did not to this I answer That in Paul which was carnal and sold under sin which warred against the law of his minde was not reconciled to God but was for death for where reconciliation is there is no more wars And here you shew your blindeness And you say Peter when he denied his Master was in a justified estate which if he was why did he weep bitterly and repent But thus you blinde lead the blinde into the ditch who say that one denying Christ is in a state of justification But by whom is he justified who denies Christ And because I deny justification by our own works and own him who worketh in us to will and to do and herein deny self-works this you say is an old thred-bare shuffle of the Papists by which it seems you disown it and would make it odious because the Papists hold it But the Truth we own for the truths sake neither because the Papists own it nor you deny it for by him alone are we justified and the witness is within us Here let all the children of the light judge you with the light to be in your own works with the Papists which have gotten the form of words as you have but both deny the power and with the power of God we deny you both and see the curse upon you both Now to your eighth Position That God and man cannot be wholly reconciled till he be brought into the state of the first Adam and able

present in Spirit which you go about to deny by your meanings and so would make Paul a lyar like your selves but they who believes your wrestings before Paul's words are blinde like you and so with the Apostles light you are all judged and so the blinde leads the blinde And because I say the Spirit of God was the trier of Spirits before the letter was therefore you would make people believe that I hold forth that the Word is not to be regarded nor the Law looked upon nor the Scripture heeded and when you have thus falsly slandered you say you leave the Reader to laugh at it it shews that light Spirit rules in you but whilst you are thus in your laughter and perswading others to laugh also all that fear God may mourn to see your doctrine to see you profess the name of the Lord who is holy and you to gather up such filthy consequences as these to slander the truth withal and when you have done make it a matter of laughter but the day is at hand when your laughter shall be turned into howling and weeping and then wo unto you and those that laugh with you And for what I said of your several judgements and worships and imagined Gods according to your several judgements it is true as all that take notice of you and your divisions through the whole Nation may witness with me for the true God is but one and his worship one And whereas you say you hold the head the Lord Jesus it is false for they who hold him for their head the Lord and Master denied to be called Masters themselves amongst the Saints or of the world but owned one Master which is the Head which is Christ and they were all brethren neither did they exercise authority one over another as the Heathen do neither were they bowed to and worshipt with cap and knee as you are and do to others for they had one Master whom they worshipped and bowed their knee to which was spiritual in whom they believed which faith they had not in respect of persons but you are enemies to that faith neither can you believe who receive honor one of another John 5. 44. and here you hold not the Head the Lord but walk as Lords your selves amongst your hearers which Peter and Paul never did whose conditions you talk so much on and this is not my venom but a true witness against your unrighteous practice And whereas you talk of things hard to be understood in the Scriptures which the unstable and unlearned wrest It is true and you are those unlearned who were never taught of God nor heard his voice but reproach them that have and you are they who wrest these Scriptures to your own destruction and not rightly understanding them cannot discover every Spirit nay you are so blinde that you cannot discover that spirit in you that acts you in covetousness pride slander envie and persecution is the spirit of the devil and that spirit that acts you to plead for sin while men live to be the spirit of the man of sin and though you talk of the word that is sweeter then the hony and the hony combe and so have stoln Davids words yet that word you know not nor that sweetness of it who deny the word of the Lord coming to you and know no word but the letter for that word which David speaks of was within him and not without him which word I witness and its sweetness And whereas you charge me to set a gloss upon that Scripture Isa 8. 20. To the Law and to the testimony if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them and because I say The Law of God in the new Covenant is written in the hearts of men which is plain in the Scriptures Heb. 8. 10. Therefore you say I overturn all Scripture so that for me to speak Scripture and witness the promise of God in the new Covenant and the end of the old by your deceit you would make it to overturn Scripture and you say it hath reference to the Law written in tables of stone 'ts true and that was in the old Covenant a type of the new and of that Law that should be written in mens hearts in the new Covenant you that would deny the new Covenant to establish the old make it appear that you are blinde and ignorant of that Covenant and that pure Law which is within written by the Lord in the heart and are in your own righteousness and Covenant of works and so have no light in you whose light and Law is without and all that are spiritual against you who saies herein I overturn all Scriptures who witness the Scriptures fulfilled and as for John Gilpin whom you say is delivered out of the snares of the devil and would make him a stumbling-block to the truth his practice since hath shewed how he hath been delivered out of the snares of the devil and the judgement of God hath overtaken him and whether they consulted with John Gilpin against Christ who caused his book to be printed over again and framed it at the first the truth may easily judge and their reward shall be according to their works To your fifteenth Position That there ought to be no sence meaning or exposition given or studying of the Scripture And in your Reply you say The Scriptures are in some places given out darkly and when you have done you say it is from the darkness that lies on the Spirits of the Saints Here is your confusion and darkness and for the key of David you speak on it is not committed into the hands of any hirelings as you are nor ever was but where Christ is and such live the life of the Scriptures and so open them in their conversation as well as words and till your lives witness what you preach you shut them to others and not open them And how long your generation have been about opening them all may see and yet they are shut from your selves and you cannot agree about them and then how will you open them to others but who waits for that Spirit that gave them forth shall not need you and your openings but by that Spirit will deny you and your openings and with that Spirit judge you all and the blindeness of you hearers your own practice shews what openers you are for they are a book sealed to your wisdom and carnal learning Therefore let them alone as they are for they are of no private interpretation nor are they committed to you to open nor doth any Scripture you alledge prove any such thing And whereas you say you have the infallible Spirit dwelling in you I answer Where that Spirit is it is one and admits of no disputes and janglings but speaks one and the same thing in all that have it in their measure but your divisions amongst your selves witness what Spirit