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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A84741	Truths vindication of election, and reprobation Wherein is shewed, Christ the cause of election; sin the cause of reprobation. The iustice of God is likewise cleared from that which is layd upon him by many; (namely) that some shall one day be damned for unbelief, and yet he never gave a Christ for them to beleeve in. Most of the strongest objections that scriptures or reason can make, answered. By William Fouler minister of the gospel at Ingworth in Norffolk.	Fowler, William, minister of Ingworth, Norfolk.	1652 (1652)	Wing F1639; Thomason E1376_4; ESTC R209255	16,436	44

Truth 2 Thes 2. 12. Therefore there was a Christ which did dye for those that are damned And thus you see that it must needs be a Truth that Christ dyed for all and every man and this must needs be the meaning of the Holy Ghost in these Scriptures Object 3. But if Christ dyed for all why are not all saved Answ Because all do not beleeve although God did reedeem all Israel out of Egypt yet none entered Canaan but those that beleeved Jude 4. ver So although Christ redemeed all out of Egyptian darkness yet none shall be saved but those that beleeve Object 4. It is said Rom. 5. 9. That many are made righteous and in John 10. I lay down my life for my sheep Answ I beleeve that in one sense there is but few made righteous that is through Faith and the application of the blood of Christ but in that sense which I conceive the Holy Ghost to speak by the Apostle All are righteous that is by having the sin of Adam pardoned And for the word many it signifieth all many being in opposition to a few and this may be cleared by the twelfth Chapter of Daniel where by many are to be understood all Many shall arise some to everlasting life and some to everlasting contempt Now if many here be not all then some shall lie in the dust for ever which must not be admitted So that you see many is all in this Scripture and others for if Adams offence reached to all as it did in the former part of the Text many then why not the latter as well as the former As for Christs laying down of his life for his Sheep this is truth he did so but they were not Sheep when he layd down his life but Goats The Text doth not say he did not lay down his life for the Goats So the Apostles words Gallat 2. 20. Christ gave himself for me Did Christ give himself for none but for the Apostle Paul Object 5. Surely Christ would not dye for those he would not pray for but Christ would not pray for the World 17 John 9. Answ I beleeve Christ did not dye for any more than he prayed for but Christ prayed for beleevers but Christ prayed for unbeleevers and there is not any other in the word In this Text he saith he prayes not for the world but in the 20 verse there he prayeth for unbeleevers compared with Luke 3. 34. Father forgive them for they know not what they do Thus you see Christ prayed for the World although at that time he did not yet it doth not follow that he never prayed for the world for you see the contrary Further know that it is one thing to pray and another thing to dye Object 6. If Christ died for all then men must have free will to take and refuse good and evill as they please Answ And why so It doth not follow that because Christ dyed for all any hath free will I see no such thing can be inferred from it Object But surely it connot be that Christ should die for all Did he die for Judas Answ Yea he died for Judas If for every man then for Iudas but for every man Heb. 2. 9. therefore for Iudas Object 8. But Judas was a Devil and surely the Psalms saith of him that he should betray Christ as he did would Christ die for a Traytor Answ That Iudas was a Devill I grant but he was not so from the beginning see the 9. Chap. of S. Luke there Christ calleth twelve to him Judas being one of them and gave them power over all Devills and to preach the Gospell and to heal diseases surely Christ never gave Commission to any Devill to do these things and sure it is that his own corruption and covetous heart to betray his Master Christ for money that made him a Devill Object 9. But was he not ordained of God that he should betray his Master Christ Answ No he was not ordained of God for then if granted see what will follow That men may do that which God ordaineth them to do and yet perish and surely no man that doth that which God would have him to doe shall perish but shall be saved True God did know that Iudas would betray his Son and God sent his Son into the world that he should die for Sinners but that God intended that his Son should be betrayed and murthered in that barbarous manner I cannot see it will hold for see the blessed Apostle Peter Acts 2. 22 23. Yee men of Israel hear these words Iesus of Nazareth a man approved of God among you v. 23. him have yee taken and by wicked hands have crucified and slain And ver 36. and chap. 3. ver 14 15. Yee denied the holy one and the just and desired a murderer to be granted unto you and killed the Prince of life Now if God made them on purpose to doe these things why doth Peter so sharply reprove them Thus you see that Betrayers and Murderers are reproved not without cause The Son of man goeth about as it is written but wo unto that man by whom he is betrayed As if Christ had said Wo to Iudas that Traytor wo to Iudas that delivereth the Son of Man into the hands of men to be crucified wo to Iudas for his covetous heart to betray his Master for thirty pieces of silver a goodly price that I was valued at of them Zach. 11. v. 13. wo unto Iudas that ever he was born good had it been for him if he had never been born And thus Christ would never have said if God had made him on purpose to betray him and consequently Iudas doing the Will of God Object 10. But it is said whom God loveth be loveth to the end Answ Indeed men often say so but I see no Scripture say so that in the 13. Chapter of S. Iohn and the first verse is urged to that purpose the Text saith not so it readeth it thus Having loved his own which were in the world he loved them unto the end Now all true Believers are Christs own which he loveth for ever and to say any other thing from the words is to stretch it on the Tenters Object 11. If Vniversall Redemption be granted it will overthrow Election and Reprobation Answ It will not overthrow Election although it be granted I desire you would open your self concerning Election and Reprobation and I shall give you my judgement and I hope satisfaction by the Word which must be our Rule Object I believe that God from all eternity did choose some to be Vessells of glory which can never perish and did reprobate others leaving them to their selves which cannot bee saved I Answer I am perswaded that it was the purpose of God from all eternity that all that believe should be saved Nay further he chose them to believe to be obedient but it was through his Son he did not choose any because

hardened And Rom. 11. 8. hee giveth the Spirit of slumber doth God doe so by men yea assuredly hee doth but consider three things First what the Spirit of slumber is that God giveth to some Secondly to whom he gave it Thirdly wherefore he gave it 1. The Spirit of slumber is for God to leave the poor creature to himself this is the Spirit of slumber I have shewed before that he leaveth no man nor forsaketh none without cause And truly when God is departed from a soul oh what a slumbering what a slecpie condition will the poor creature bee in Wee will joyn the two next points together who and wherefore 2. they are ungodly men for sin they are given over see Mat. 13. 15. they have closed their eyes saith our Saviour Oh deer friends I humbly beseech you in the bowels of Christ take heed how you infer that on the Creator which belongeth to the creature I will speak plainly take heed you lay not mens sinnes upon our good God I know all or most men will be ready to say God forbid wee should do so why let me I beseech you once more speak a few words in plain termes whosoever holdeth that God never intended mercy to some of the Sonnes daughters of men but did without Reference to sin and Transgression Reprobate them from eternity ah friends how can such poor creatures but sink under every burthen how can such hear when God saith harken how can they see when God saith behold me behold me how can such bee converted when God never intendeth it And friends doe you think that God will declare himself to be a gratious God pardoning sinne and forgiving iniquity when hee hath reserved the greatest part to be damned see the 34 of Exod. 5 6 7. compared with 2 Chron. last 15. 16. verses Micha 7. 16. Who is a God like unto thee that pardoneth iniquity Jonah 4. 2. And see what the Prophet Ieremiah saith in his Lam. 3. 33. For he doth not afflict willingly nor greeve the children of men see Jer. 13. 27. saith God to Ierusalem wilt thou not bee made clean when shall it once bee And in Hosea 11. 8. How shall I give thee up Ephraim how shall I deliver thee Israel my heart is turned within me my repentings are kindled together Now doe you think that God will use such speeches unto those which he never intended should be brought home unto him by the word surely no O I beseech you take heed take heed 14. Obj. Hath not the Potter power over the clay to make one vessell to honour and another to dishonour as saith the Apostle Romans 9. verse 21. Answ God hath power to doe what hee pleaseth but I demand a question Is Gods will the rule of his power or his power the rule of his will Answ It must be granted that his will is the rule of his power Ephes 1. For who dare deny but that God hath power to destroy all the sonnes and daughters of men in a moment but we see blessed be his name that he willeth it otherwaies waiting at the door of poor sinners heart to bring them to repentance Rev. 3. 20. Behold I stand at the door and knock 15. Ob. But none can come to Christ except God draweth him John 6. 44. Answ I grant that none commeth except God draweth it is the drawing of God which maketh soules to come to Christ but the Question is this Do all that God draws come to Christ If the Answer be Yea Where is that Scripture For it is evident that God draweth all see John 12. 32. If I bee lifted up I will draw all men after me Now God draweth these ways First by the works of Creation Psal 19. The heavens declare the handy-works of God Secondly he drawes by Gospellmanifestations it is to be declared to every creature Mar. 16. 15. Thirdly God draws by his Spirit in the Gospell the Gospell being the instrument to convey the Spirit of God to a soul see the Promise Acts 2. 17. translated out of Joel 2. 28. Now this Spirit begets Faith Rom. 10. 17. therefore is this Word of our God to be higly prized see Jer. 23. 29. Heb. 4. 12. Is not my Word like a hammer Joh. 6. it 's spirit and life And thus you may see how God draweth by his Word and Spirit Object 16. But surely if God draweth the creature must come Hath any soul power to resist God And is it not said in the 110. Psal Gods people shall be willing in the day of his power Answ I have sufficiently proved that God draweth all to that of mens power to resist God I answer Men do not resist God by power it is weakness to resist God and that men may resist God see Act. 7. 51. compared with Zach. 7. 10 11 12 13 14. compared with Prov. 1. 21 22 23 24. 25 26. And for that of Gods people being willing in the day of his power I grant his people shall that is Believers where Christ hath prevailed by his love These and onely these shall willingly follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth in the day of Gods power as willingly to suffer as to be free from suffering Object 17. It cannot bee that God draweth all men for the Heathen have not the Gospell and you said before that the Gospell is the way to convey the Spirit to souls which the Heathen have not Ans Who saith they have not To this Objection this I shall say that God hath given forth so much of himself to every creature to leave the creature without excuse and to clear his own just proceedings see what is said of the Heathens Rom. 1. 18 19 20 21 22 23 24. to the latter end See Rom. 10. 18. Have they not heard yes verily their sound went into all the earth and their words unto the ends of the world compared with Col. 1. 23. saith the blessed Apostle it hath been declared meaning the Gospell to every creature or as the word is in the Greek in every creature And what might be spoken from Job and the Queen of the South but I forbear where much is given much shall be required Object 18. But if it should be granted that Christ did die for all as I believe in some sense he did yet none hath any ability to believe except it be given of God Answ I am glad to hear that it is believed that Christ died for all but consider it must not be made forth in mans sense but in scripture-Scripture-sense according to the minde of the Holy Ghost in Scripture and for any ability in the creature I mean naturally to believe in Christ we agree For no one in the world hath free will but as I have shewed God giveth forth of himself to the creature to cause the creature to believe Acts 17. 31. Object 19. If those which believe not shall be damned as now I see they shall then you have contradicted your self for