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A45638 The atheistical objections against the being of a God and his attributes fairly considered and fully refuted in eight sermons, preach'd in the cathedral-church of St. Paul, London, 1698 : being the seventh year of the lecture founded by the Honourable Robert Boyle, Esq. / by John Harris ... Harris, John, 1667?-1719. 1698 (1698) Wing H845; ESTC R15119 126,348 235

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very doubting and denying will refute him and must convince him that there must be something in him of a Real Nature that can thus Think and Consider Doubt and Deny and at last conclude That there is nothing Actually Existent but what is Sensible For what is really and absolutely Nothing can never Think Consider Doubt or Determine Now let him call this Mind or Soul of his what he pleases I do not here consider its Nature let it be a Substance distinct from Matter be it a happy Combination of Animal Spirits or the brisk Agitation of any fine and subtile Parts of Matter 't is all one to our present purpose it certainly Exists or is and yet is it by no means an Object of Sense For Animal Spirits Motion and the sinest and subtilest Parts of Matter are no more sensible to us now than an Incorporeal Substance is And as he is thus assured that there is something real in himself which yet is the Object of none of his Senses so he cannot but conclude the same of other Men that are round about him that they also have a Soul or Mind of the same Nature for he must know and be satisfied that they can think reason doubt affirm deny and determine as well as himself Now if he must grant that there are on this Account many things existent in the World which do no way fall under the cognisance of our Senses it will be strangely senseless and ridiculous to argue against the Being of a God from His not being so and to deny that there is any such thing because he cannot see Him with his Bodily Eyes because he cannot feel Him with his Hands and hear the Sound of his Voice actually speaking from Heaven For the Existence of that Divine Being whom no Eye hath seen nor can see is as plainly demonstrable from Reason and Nature from his visible Works in the World and from the inward Sentiments of our unprejudiced Minds as the Being of our Own and Others Minds is from the power of thinking and reasoning that we find in our selves and them 3. But Thirdly 't is objected further That we cannot have any Idea of God and consequently may conclude There is no such Being because he is by Divines said to be Incomprehensible and Infinite That is say they something which we can know nothing at all about for we cannot have any Phantasm or Conception of any such thing Thus saith that famous Atheistical Writer Whatever we know we learn from our Phantasms but there is no Phantasm of Infinite and therefore no Knowledge or Conception of it No Man saith he can have in his mind an Image of Infinite Power or Time And there is no Conception or Idea of that which we call Infinite In another place he asserts That the Attributes of God signifie Nothing true nor false nor any Opinion of our Brain and are not sufficient Premises to inferr Truth or convince Falshood And the Name of God he saith is used 〈◊〉 to make us Conceive him but that we may Honour him And he elsewhere saith That those that venture to discourse Philosophically of the Nature of God or to reason of his Nature from his Attributes losing their Understanding in the very first attempt fall from one Inconvenience to another without end or number and do only discover their Astonishment and Rusticity This Bold Writer doth in another place tell us That God must not be said to be Finite and so being neither Finite nor Infinite he must be nothing at all Which is the very same Dilemma that the Sceptick Sextus Empiricus makes use of against a Deity Another Modern Author of the same stamp tells us That he that calls any thing Infinite doth but Rei quam non capit attribuere nomen quod non Intelligit Give an unintelligible Name to a thing which he doth not understand All which agrees exactly with what Sextus also saith in many places of his Book and whom these Gentlemen follow pretty closely in most things without taking any notice at all of him Now to this I return That as 't is very foolish and precarious to deny the Existence of a God because He is not an Object of our Bodily Senses so to conclude that there is no such Being from our not being able perfectly to comprehend Him and to have a true and adequate Idea of him is equally absurd and unaccountable For at this rate we may soon come to deny the Existence of most things in Nature since there are very many of which we do not adequately comprehend the Nature of and know all that is to be known about them There is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 something Incomprehensible in the Nature of all things Are there not a thousand Beings which we are sure are truly and actually existent in Nature the manner of whose Operation and Action we cannot comprehend and whose Phaenomena we cannot Philosophically explain Let any of these Penetrating Gentlemen try their Skill at Gravity Light Sound Magnetism and Electricity and oblige the World with such an adequate Account of any one of them as shall make all impartial and curious Men acquiesce in it as satisfactory Let him clearly shew us how his own Sensations are made how the Circulation of the Blood first begins and continues its Vital Tour round his Body how Pestilential and Contagious Diseases first invade and are propagated how several Medicines that may be properly enough call'd Specifick's operate and particularly how the Cortex Peruvianus cures an Intermitting Fever In a word let him tell us how his own Body setting aside Accidents decays grows old and dies when the same Digestions and Assimulations are made to Day as were Yesterday and there is no apparent defect in the Nutriment of any one part of it He that can account for these and many other such like things which are obvious to every one's daily Observation will certainly approve himself to be a Man of very curious and acute Thought and of very deep Insight into Nature and when he hath fully convinced me that he throughly comprehends the Nature of but these few things I will allow that he hath some ground to disbelieve the Existence of whatever appears to him Incomprehensible But if a Person will candidly own as he that hath any Knowledge and Modesty must do That there are many things in the History of Nature of which he cannot meet with a satisfactory Solution and Explication he hath certainly no manner of reason to disbelieve the Existence of a God on the same account and to say There is no such Thing because his Nature is Incomprehensible to our finite and imperfect Capacities We cannot by searching find out God nor discover the Almighty unto perfection Job xi 7 But again There is a vast difference between Apprehending and Comprehending of a thing between knowing a thing really to be and knowing all that is possible to be known about that
we can never imagine that Gold can be ever brought to think reason or move it self spontaneously any more than we can conceive a Soul or Mind to be yellow heavy or ductile That is we have quite different Idea's of each of them and which nothing but wilful or long habituated Ignorance can ever make us confound together And thus it appears to me that we may have as clear an Idea of Incorporeal Substance as we have of Body and that the former is no more unconceivable than the latter And therefore 't is as absurd to argue against the Existence of a Spirit only from our not having any clear Idea of the Substance of a Spirit as it would be to say there is no such thing as Body because we don't know exactly what the Substance of Body is which I dare say no Man can affirm that he doth 'T is very possible that Men may be so blinded and prejudiced by false Principles so stupified by Ignorance Idleness or Vice and so engaged and enslaved to a peculiar sett of Notions which advance and support that way of acting and proceeding which they take delight in that a great many things may appear Unconceivable and Impossible to them which shall be far from being so to others whose Minds are free and more enured to thinking Should you tell a Man who is a Stranger to Geometry and Astronomy of the many admirable and surprizing Truths that can certainly be demonstrated from the Principles of those Noble Sciences he would boldly pronounce them Impossible and all your Discourse and Proof should you attempt any such thing would to such a Person be Nonsense and your words meer empty and insignificant Sounds And there are many Persons in the World on whom the clearest and strongest Method of Reasoning that ever was will make no manner of impression at all because their Minds are not at all enured to a close way of Arguing and Thinking And truly the Atheistical Writers do discover so poor a Knowledge in Philosophy and so very little acquaintance with true Reasoning and Science that 't is no wonder at all that they should not be able to conceive and comprehend a great many things which others are very well satisfied with I know very well saith the Ingenious Person before cited that People whose Thoughts are immersed in Matter and who have so subjected their Minds to their Senses that they seldom reflect on any thing beyond them are apt to say they cannot comprehend a thinking thing which perhaps is true c. And therefore such a Philosopher as Mr. Hobbs that defines Knowledge to be Sense and saith that the Mind of Man is nothing but Motion in the Organical Parts of his Body may easily be infatuated so far as to assert that there is no other Substance but Body and that a Spirit or Incorporeal Being is a Nonsensical Contradictory and Impossible Notion While Others who can raise their Minds a little higher and who can penetrate farther into things will be fully satisfied that such Philosophy is Nonsense and Impossibility As indeed some Persons in all Ages of the World of which we have any Account have ever been For 2. Which is another very good Ground from whence to refute this absurd Opinion that there is no such thing as an Incorporeal Being I say there have been always many Persons in the World that have firmly believed and embraced the Doctrine of Immaterial Substances and who have also asserted the Deity to be of that Nature And this will Undeniably refute the two great Points of Mr. Hobbs his Opinion For if it be proved plainly that there hath been all along a received Belief and Opinion that there are Immaterial Substances and that God himself is such an One it is then most clear and certain that the Notion is neither inconceivable contradictory nor nonsense and also that it did not take its Rise and Original only from the Abuse of the Philosophy of Aristotle Not the former for what is in its own Nature unconceivable nonsensical and absurd could never sure gain an Admittance into the Belief of so many great Men as we shall see presently this Opinion did Not the latter for what was commonly received in the World before the time of Aristotle could never be derived only from his and the Schoolmen's Philosophy as Mr. Hobbs is pleased to say this Belief of Immaterial Substances was And that there was always in the World a Notion and Belief of another more noble Substance than Body and that the Deity was of an Incorporeal or Spiritual Nature we have the united Suffrages of all the Ancient Writers that are preserved down to our time Cicero tells us That the Heathen Philosophers generally defined God to be Mens pura sincera soluta libera ab omni concretione mortali and speaking of Thales Milesius in particular he saith of him Aquam dixit esse Initium Rerum Deum autem cum Mentem quae ex aquâ cuncta fingeret Now this Mind they all distinguished plainly from Matter and looked upon it as a much more Noble Principle than 't was possible to conceive Matter to be Lactantius acquaints of Pythagoras Quòd unum deum confitetur dicens Incorporalem esse mentem quae per omnem Naturam diffusa intenta vitalem sensum cunctis Animalibus tribuat And Plutarch gives us much the same Account of him in his Books De Placitis Philosophorum viz. That he made two Principles one Active which was Mind or God The other Passive or the Matter of the World And those Verses of Empedocles are very remarkable wherein speaking of the Deity he asserts Him not to be of Humane shape And also that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 i. e. That he is no way perceivable by any of our Senses which is as much as to say he is Incorporeal And in the next Lines he doth expresly tell us what he is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 A sacred and ineffable Mind which by swift Thoughts moves and actuates the whole World Anaxagoras also asserted That an ordering and regulating Mind was the first Principle of all things and this Mind he made as Aristotle saith of him 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The only pure simple and unmixt thing in the World thereby plainly distinguishing it from Matter the Parts of which he who was as Sextus Empericus calls him 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 knew very well to be promiscuously blended and mixed togethere very where Sextus also tells us That That Mind which Anaxagoras asserted to be God was 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 an Active Principle in opposition to Matter which is a Passive one and this is agreeable to what the Poets say of Spiritus intus alit mens agitat molem c. We are told likewise by Sextus That Xenophanes held 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 That there is but One God and he Incorporeal And
we cannot attain any Idea of or That what is absolutely Vnconceiveable is really nothing at all perhaps it may be true taking it in the most strict and proper sence of the words for though I am not of Protagoras's Mind that Man is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 yet as I think that That which is absolutely Unconceivable in its own Nature is not possible to be Existent so what is absolutely so to us we can know nothing at all of nor reason nor argue about it since there is no doing of this but from our Ideas But I cannot see how this will be advantageous at all to the Cause of Infidelity For there is neither any one that asserts nor is the Atheist able to prove that That Being which we call God is absolutely Unconceiveable There is a vast difference between a thing 's being Vnconceivable and Incomprehensible between our having no Idea at all of a thing and our having an Imperfect one and between our knowing Nothing at all of a Being and our comprehending all the Possible Perfections and Excellencies of such a Being We readily grant that the Immense Nature of God is incomprehensible to our finite Understandings but we don't say 't is absolutely Unconceivable and that we can know nothing at all about it The common Notion which all Mankind have of a God is a sufficient Refutation of this Part of the Objection as it is also a very good Proof of the real Existence of a Deity for if there were no such Being 't is impossible to conceive how any Idea of him could ever have come into any one's Mind as I shall hereafter more largely prove 2. There is implied in this Objection That we can have no possible Idea nor Notion of the Existence of any thing that is not the Object of our Senses And from hence these Sublime Thinkers argue against the Existence of a Deity and conclude there is no God because they cannot see him and because he is not perceivable by any of our Bodily Senses Thus one of our Modern Atheistical Writers asserts That the only Evidence we can have of the Existence of any thing is from Sense And in another place Whatsoever we can conceive saith he hath been perceived first by Sense either at once or in Parts and a Man can have no Thought representing any thing not subject to Sense And he defines Sense to be Original Knowledge Which is but the Reverse of what Protagoras long ago determin'd for Plato in his Theaetetus tells us That he defined all Knowledge to be Sense Now is not this admirable Philosophy and worthy of those that pretend to a sublimer pitch of Knowledge than the Vulgar There is no Knowledge say they but Sense If so then as Protagoras saith all Sense must be Knowledge and consequently he that sees hears smells or feels any thing must immediately know all that is to be known about it By seeing the Letters of any Language or hearing the Words pronounced a Man or a Beast must needs understand all the Sense and Meaning of it and the Philosophick Nature of all Bodies will be perfectly comprehended as soon as ever they once come within the reach of our Senses This is indeed a good easie method of attaining Learning and perhaps very suitable to the Genius of these Gentlemen But I cannot account from this Notion how they come to have so much more Penetration and Knowledge than their Neighbours Are their Eyes and Ears Noses and Feeling so much more accurate than those of the Vulgar Yes doubtless these are truly Men of Sense their Lyncean Eyes can penetrate Mill-stones and the least silent whisper of Nature moves the Intelligent Drum of their tender Ears nothing escapes their Knowledge but what is undiscoverable by the nicest Sense and can only be comprehended by Reason Reason an Ignis Fatuus of the Mind whose uncertain Direction they scorn to follow while this Light of Nature Sense can be their Guide Nor will it avail them to alledge here that when they say we have no Knowledge but what we have from our Senses they mean only that all our Knowledge comes in that way and not by Innate Idea's for the Author I have mentioned above is express that we can have no thought of any thing not subject to Sense that the only Knowledge we have of the Existence of all things is from Sense and that Sense is Original Knowledge And if so there can be no such thing as comparing or distinguishing of Idea's in our Mind but the simple Idea's of Sensible Objects being impressed upon our Brain must needs convey to us by that means all the Knowledge that we can ever obtain about them and that as soon too as ever the Objects are perceived But than this nothing can be more false and absurd for 't is plain that by our bare Sensations of Objects we know nothing at all of their Natures Our Mind indeed by these Sensations is vigorously excited to enquire further about them but this we could by no means do if Sense were the highest Faculty and Power in our Natures and we were quite devoid of a Reasoning and Thinking Mind This Democritus of old was very well aware of however he comes now to be deserted by the Modern Atheistick Writers for saith he There is in us two kinds of Knowledges one Dark and Obscure which is by the Senses the other Genuine and Proper which is by the Mind And nothing can be more plain than that we have certain Knowledge of the Existence of many things which never were nor perhaps can possibly be the Objects of our Bodily Senses Protagoras himself saith 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Take heed that none of the Uninitiated hear you who are such as think nothing to Exist but what they can lay hold of with their Hands and who will not allow any thing that is Invisible to have a place among Beings The Epicurean Atheist must needs grant the Existence of his Atoms and his Empty Space when yet they must be both acknowledged to be no way sensible Those that hold a Soul or Life in Matter Plastically diffused through all Parts of the Universe by which all things are actuated and regulated cannot deny but this Power is Invisible and no way the Object of Bodily Sense Nay those that assert a Corporeal Deity and say that nothing can possibly exist but Body must needs own that something of this Deity as his Wisdom Power and Understanding which is certainly the Chief and most Noble of all his Essence can no ways fall under our Bodily Senses Let him that asserts That what is not the Object of Sense is really nothing at all let him tell me if he ever saw that Power Faculty Understanding or Mind by which he is enabled to make such a Determination That there is such a Power or Mind in him 't is impossible for him to doubt or deny for that