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A68078 D. Heskins, D. Sanders, and M. Rastel, accounted (among their faction) three pillers and archpatriarches of the popish synagogue (vtter enemies to the truth of Christes Gospell, and all that syncerely professe the same) ouerthrowne, and detected of their seuerall blasphemous heresies. By D. Fulke, Maister of Pembrooke Hall in Cambridge. Done and directed to the Church of England, and all those which loue the trueth. Fulke, William, 1538-1589. 1579 (1579) STC 11433; ESTC S114345 602,455 884

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113._o which_o i_o have_v cite_v before_o i_o omit_v yet_o this_o one_o short_a sentence_n i_o will_v add_v to_o show_v how_o far_o s._n augustin_n judgement_n be_v from_o m._n sanders_n assertion_n that_o in_o worship_n of_o image_n be_v small_a or_o no_o danger_n of_o idolatry_n at_o all_o in_o psal_n 113._o quis_fw-la autem_fw-la adorat_fw-la vel_fw-la orat_fw-la intuens_fw-la simulachrum_fw-la qui_fw-la non_fw-la sic_fw-la affuitur_fw-la ut_fw-la ab_fw-la eo_fw-la se_fw-la exaudiri_fw-la putet_fw-la ac_fw-la ab_fw-la eo_fw-la sibi_fw-la prestari_fw-la quod_fw-la desiderat_fw-la speret_fw-la for_o who_o do_v worship_n or_o pray_v behold_v a_o image_n which_o be_v not_o so_o affect_v that_o he_o think_v himself_o to_o be_v hear_v of_o it_o and_o hope_v that_o that_o thing_n shall_v be_v perform_v of_o it_o which_o he_o desire_v hierome_n in_o ezechiell_n lib._n 4._o cap._n 16._o have_v these_o word_n nos_fw-la autem_fw-la unum_fw-la habemus_fw-la virum_fw-la &_o unam_fw-la veneramur_fw-la imaginem_fw-la quae_fw-la est_fw-la imago_fw-la invisibilis_fw-la &_o omnipotentis_fw-la dei._n we_o say_v he_o of_o the_o christian_n have_v but_o one_o husband_n and_o worship_v but_o one_o image_n which_o be_v the_o image_n of_o the_o invisible_a and_o almighty_a god_n mean_v christ_n and_o speak_v against_o the_o image_n worshipper_n and_o spiritual_a fornicator_n of_o the_o gentile_n jew_n and_o heretic_n likewise_o upon_o daniel_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 3._o sive_fw-la statuam_fw-la ut_fw-la symmachus_n sue_v imaginem_fw-la auream_fw-la ut_fw-la caeteri_fw-la transtulerunt_fw-la voluerimus_fw-la legere_fw-la cultores_fw-la dei_fw-la eam_fw-la adorare_fw-la non_fw-la debent_fw-la ergo_fw-la judices_fw-la &_o principes_fw-la saeculi_fw-la qui_fw-la imperatorum_fw-la statuas_fw-la adorant_fw-la &_o imagine_v hoc_fw-la se_fw-la facere_fw-la intelligant_fw-la quòd_fw-la tres_fw-la pveri_fw-la facere_fw-la nolentes_fw-la placuerint_fw-la deo._n et_fw-la notanda_fw-la proprietas_fw-la deos_fw-la coli_fw-la imaginem_fw-la adorari_fw-la dicunt_fw-la quod_fw-la utrunque_fw-la seruis_fw-la dei_fw-la non_fw-la convenit_fw-la whether_o we_o will_v read_v it_o a_o stand_a image_n as_o symmachus_n or_o a_o golden_a image_n as_o the_o rest_n have_v translate_v the_o worshipper_n of_o god_n ought_v not_o to_o adore_v it_o therefore_o the_o judge_n and_o prince_n of_o the_o world_n which_o worship_n the_o statue_n and_o image_n of_o the_o emperor_n let_v they_o understand_v that_o they_o do_v that_o which_o the_o three_o child_n will_v not_o do_v and_o please_v god_n and_o that_o the_o property_n of_o speech_n be_v to_o be_v mark_v they_o call_v the_o worship_n of_o the_o image_n the_o worship_n of_o god_n both_o which_o be_v unmeet_a for_o the_o servant_n of_o god._n if_o hierome_n will_v not_o allow_v the_o worship_v of_o the_o emperor_n image_n which_o be_v but_o civil_a much_o less_o the_o worship_n of_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n or_o his_o saint_n which_o be_v religious_a chrysostom_n in_o math._n hom._n 51._o count_v it_o a_o mere_a mockery_n of_o god_n and_o the_o saint_n to_o set_v up_o their_o image_n in_o gold_n or_o silver_n and_o to_o suffer_v the_o true_a image_n and_o their_o member_n to_o die_v for_o famine_n or_o cold_a as_o they_o do_v in_o all_o place_n where_o idol_n be_v hang_v with_o chain_n and_o brooch_n quid_fw-la porro_fw-la si_fw-la frigore_fw-la congeluum_fw-la hominem_fw-la aspiceres_fw-la nec_fw-la vestem_fw-la aliquam_fw-la ei_fw-la preparares_fw-la si_fw-mi aureas_fw-la statuas_fw-la ad_fw-la laud_n eius_fw-la erigeres_fw-la nun_n contemnere_fw-la videreris_fw-la what_o if_o thou_o shall_v see_v a_o man_n freeze_v with_o cold_a and_o do_v not_o prepare_v he_o any_o garment_n but_o do_v set_v up_o golden_a image_n to_o his_o praise_n shall_v thou_o not_o seem_v to_o despise_v he_o and_o the_o god_n reject_v all_o such_o honour_n as_o be_v imagine_v to_o be_v do_v to_o he_o by_o image_n or_o other_o invention_n of_o man_n he_o say_v qui_fw-la honoratur_fw-la eo_fw-la maxim_n honore_fw-la laetatur_fw-la quem_fw-la ipse_fw-la vult_fw-la non_fw-la quem_fw-la optamus_fw-la he_o which_o be_v honour_v delight_v chief_o in_o that_o honour_n which_o he_o himself_o will_v have_v not_o which_o we_o wish_v to_o he_o ambrose_n ep._n 31._o deride_v they_o qui_fw-la deum_fw-la loquntur_fw-la simulachrum_fw-la adorant_fw-la which_o speak_v of_o god_n and_o worship_v a_o image_n in_o rom._n cap._n 9_o he_o say_v that_o christ_n will_v not_o suffer_v himself_o to_o be_v worship_v but_o that_o he_o be_v god_n nec_fw-la dominus_fw-la ubique_fw-la se_fw-la adorari_fw-la pateretur_fw-la nisi_fw-la quia_fw-la deus_fw-la after_o the_o council_n of_o eliberis_n that_o forbid_v all_o picture_n in_o the_o church_n the_o council_n of_o carth._n 5._o will_a such_o altar_n as_o be_v set_v up_o in_o the_o country_n and_o high_a way_n as_o memory_n of_o the_o martyr_n shall_v be_v abolish_v &_o overthrow_v although_o they_o be_v pretend_v to_o be_v set_v up_o by_o revelation_n or_o vision_n will_v they_o then_o have_v permit_v image_n in_o memory_n of_o the_o martyr_n when_o also_o they_o decree_v to_o entreat_v the_o emperor_n that_o all_o relic_n and_o monument_n of_o idolatry_n may_v be_v destroy_v chap._n xviii_o or_o xvii_o