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A36095 A Discourse of infant-baptism by way of a dialogue between Pædobaptista, a minister for infant-baptism, Antipædobaptista, his friend, against it, Aporeticus, an ingenuous doubter 1698 (1698) Wing D1599; ESTC R27860 30,411 63

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