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A42453 The papists bait or their usual method in gaining proselites answered by Charles Gataker ... ; to which is added, a letter of the Lord Viscount Falkland to the same gentleman, much to this present purpose. Gataker, Charles, 1614 or 15-1680.; Falkland, Lucius Cary, Viscount, 1610?-1643. 1674 (1674) Wing G308; ESTC R9378 63,487 89

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substance of the Bread is turned into the whole substance of Christs Body and the whole substance of the Wine into the whole substance of Christs Blood Where is this Conversion recorded in the Gospel or Apostolical Epistles that we should offer violence to our reason to work our minds to the belief of it It is also false that you are required only to believe that Bread is turned into Flesh We do believe and that without renouncing our reason that Christ who could turn stones into Bread and did turn water into Wine could turn if he pleased Bread into Flesh and Wine into Blood as easily as he did Water into Blood in Egypt And if Christ should do this at any time the change would be as evident to the senses as it was in all miraculous conversions and the Flesh would be as visible as the Serpent was into which Aarons Rod was turned and the Blood as truly obvious to the eye as the sanguified streams of Egypt But Papists require your unreasonable belief of another thing to wit that the Sacramental Bread is turned substantially into the very Body of Christ which was before that born of the Blessed Virgin Mary and is now at the time of every conversion sitting at the right hand of God in glory above the Heavens By the way because it is not my business now to refute this false Doctrine remember that unquestionable Axiome of true Philosophy Nothing is before it is made or whilst it is in making But Christs Body was before the Sacrament and is already when the Priest begins the first syllable of his Magical murmur by which he pretends to make the Body of Christ You see the manifest contradiction which you are obliged by Papists to believe in this insensible conversion Now if you will to please a Papist renounce sense and reason that you may be capable of this rare belief I know no cause why you should not also take Ovid's Poem of Metamorphosis for a veritable History He fraudulently minces the matter again when he speaks of the easinesse of believing that one Body is in more places at one time I know that Thomas Aquinas in his Quodlibets says that the subsistence of one Body in more places at one time is impossible because that which is one in it self cannot be divided from it self without the destruction of its unity and being together But that is not all which you are bound to believe in this device For you must believe if you can that the very Body of Christ which consists of limbs and lineaments distinguished by several proportions and situations and at this time is now in a certain place in Heaven clothed with glory brighter then the Sun is now lurking an invisible and indivisible Body in all the Hosts that are consecrated or inchanted rather in the Papacy and in every crum of every Wafer This is the substance of the Popish Doctrine which the Sophister rarifies into a thin cloud but that hath still gross contradictions in it which are enough to divert a man that would serve God with his reason and understanding from going into the region of darknesse that is the Roman Church He would fain repair the breach which is made in their Charity Here his jugling is unsufferable He conceals the uncharitable condition of your admission into the Roman society To joyn with Papists you must break off communion with all Christians that are not subject to the See of Rome Can you leap over this stumbling stock and think your self in a safe Sanctuarie when you have shut up your self in the Popes cloyster from converse with all Christians besides in offices of Religion But all our complaint of their uncharitableness he sais is our mistake You have read enough of that argument I need say nothing now But see how untowardly this wolf puts on the Sheeps skin on his back He thinks their Charity unreproveable because they as he shamelesly affirms censure not Persons but Doctrine and that maintained pertinaciously Read the Canons of the Council of Trent wherein this is the constant form of cursing their Adversaries Si quis dixerit If any person say so and so let him be Anathema And have not Armes been raised after that the Anathemaes were thundred to extirpate with fire and sword the doctrine of the Gospel by destroying the persons that profess it What truth can you expect from such open lyers as the men of this mould are He says further that neither Papists nor Protestants can absolutely Judge who maintains an error obstinately Where then is their Charity or Justice when they do as the Histories of Christendome sufficiently witness adjudg Protestants to be Hereticks and so render them up to the secular arm to be slaughtered as the Executioners of Papal decrees think fit But the Papists do so abound in Charity that it is only out of Charity that they endeavour our conversion by warning us of dangers I will believe that Romanists seek our Souls Salvation more than English money when out of meer Charity they seriously undertake the conversion of the Strumpets in the Popes Dominions who are in as great danger of being damned as those whom they call Hereticks can be by their profession But they that are the Popes creatures dare not exercise their Charity to the impoverishment of the Popes Exchequer to which the licensed Stewes afford no small contribution Neither will these charitable savors of Souls allow us the same exercise of our Charity in Spain or Italy although we are as firmly perswaded of the danger that Papists are in as they are conceited of our perils and have as much pity and kindness for poor Souls kept in bondage and blindness in spiritual Aegypt as Papists have for us Till we can obtain the same freedome for us to employ our Charity it is not agreeable to justice that Papists should be permitted such liberties as they now take to make an ostentation of their counterfeit Charitie which is indeed carnal Policy to restore the Papal jurisdiction in England He proceeds in his falshood and denies the profession of Faith expressed in the Pope Pius 4. his Bull dated A. D 1554 to be a new Creed Do you not take that to be new in Christianity which is but a little above a hundred years old for the whole mass which is superadded to the antient Creed of the Church was never known for a Creed till that Pope gave it out for one But what name will you find out for this Gentleman who says it is no Creed but a Catalogue of points to be professed by teachers in publick Academies c. If you read the Bull it self you will see that Credo I believe runs through the vvhole body of the form and I acknowledg profess assert firmly embrace this and that are the expressions used in that Creed which is there also called The true Catholick Faith without which no man can be saved The Querist also knows as well