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A86506 A vindication of baptizing beleevers infants. In some animadversions upon Mr. Tombes his Exercitations about infant baptisme; as also upon his Examen, as touching the antiquities and authors by him alledged or contradicted that concern the same. Humbly submitted to the judgement of all candid Christians, / by Nathanael Homes. Published according to order. Homes, Nathanael, 1599-1678. 1646 (1646) Wing H2578; Thomason E324_1; ESTC R200604 209,591 247

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shall_v not_o receive_v the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n as_o a_o little_a child_n shall_v not_o enter_v therein_o it_o be_v speak_v occasional_a as_o in_o a_o parenthesis_n which_o may_v be_v leave_v out_o and_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o story_n of_o blessing_n the_o little_a child_n as_o to_o who_o heaven_n do_v belong_v stand_v full_a and_o perfect_a or_o as_o that_o which_o may_v be_v put_v last_o as_o do_v last_o after_o christ_n whole_a speech_n and_o action_n to_o the_o little_a one_o and_o so_o it_o be_v put_v last_o luk._n 18.17_o speak_v by_o christ_n to_o quip_v those_o that_o keep_v off_o the_o little_a one_o from_o christ_n as_o esteem_v they_o or_o the_o motion_n of_o bring_v they_o to_o christ_n contemptible_a as_o if_o christ_n say_v to_o they_o you_o have_v need_n look_v to_o yourselves_o that_o you_o be_v so_o happy_a as_o little_a child_n etc._n etc._n by_o all_o which_o it_o appear_v that_o this_o speech_n about_o man_n be_v not_o of_o the_o body_n or_o substance_n of_o the_o solemnity_n of_o blessing_n the_o little_a one_o or_o of_o the_o doctrine_n why_o they_o shall_v be_v permit_v to_o be_v bring_v to_o christ_n but_o be_v only_o a_o circumstance_n and_o cause_n make_v to_o the_o stander_n by_o as_o for_o mat._n 18.3_o 4._o there_o be_v not_o a_o tittle_n of_o christ_n blessing_n little_a one_o but_o the_o pride_n of_o the_o disciple_n occasion_v christ_n to_o set_v a_o child_n before_o they_o for_o a_o text_n out_o of_o which_o to_o preach_v humility_n to_o they_o obj._n but_o lest_o this_o exposition_n of_o such_o that_o be_v humble_a man_n shall_v not_o stand_v firm_a but_o fall_v before_o some_o such_o reason_n as_o we_o have_v give_v mr._n t._n provide_v another_o exposition_n that_o of_o such_o must_v not_o signify_v all_o infant_n of_o believer_n but_o only_o they_o who_o he_o bless_v and_o those_o person_n who_o either_o be_v so_o bless_v or_o be_v convert_v and_o humble_a as_o little_a child_n answ_n 1._o christ_n do_v not_o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o these_o but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o such_o 2_o christ_n speak_v indefinite_o who_o shall_v presume_v to_o restrain_v he_o with_o if_n and_o and_o be_v the_o apostle_n say_v act._n 2._o more_o precise_o to_o you_o be_v the_o promise_n yet_o may_v not_o we_o apply_v that_o to_o we_o when_o we_o be_v pinch_v in_o heart_n for_o sin_n be_v whatsoever_o thing_n be_v write_v afore_o as_o the_o apostle_n speak_v rom._n 15.4_o be_v write_v for_o our_o instruction_n or_o learning_n that_o we_o through_o patience_n and_o comfort_n of_o the_o scripture_n may_v have_v hope_n for_o we_o and_o we_o 3_o what_o ever_o person_n else_o this_o may_v be_v extend_v to_o by_o mr._n tomb_n that_o do_v not_o exclude_v other_o believer_n infant_n positâ_fw-la una_fw-la affiematione_fw-la etc._n etc._n one_o affirmative_a do_v not_o take_v away_o another_o for_o mr._n tomb_n his_o deny_v major_a or_o minor_a we_o leave_v the_o reader_n to_o judge_v by_o that_o which_o have_v be_v say_v those_o on_o who_o christ_n lay_v his_o hand_n must_v be_v suppose_v to_o have_v be_v baptize_v afore_o or_o if_o mr._n tomb_n can_v evince_v they_o be_v not_o contrary_a to_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o scripture_n yet_o they_o must_v be_v as_o fit_v or_o more_o fit_a for_o baptism_n then_o imposition_n chap._n viii_o the_o argument_n from_o the_o place_n examine_v place_n e●cercit_fw-la sect._n 7._o the_o argument_n from_o act._n 15.16_o etc._n etc._n for_o infant_n baptism_n examine_v act._n 16.15.32.33_o act._n 18.8_o 1_o cor._n 1.16_o be_v thus_o form_v if_o the_o apostle_n baptize_v whole_a household_n than_o infant_n but_o the_o apostle_n baptize_v whole_a household_n ergo_fw-la answer_n this_o argument_n rest_v on_o a_o sleight_n conjecture_v that_o there_o be_v infant_n in_o those_o house_n and_o that_o those_o infant_n be_v baptize_v whereas_o the_o word_n of_o the_o text_n evince_v not_o these_o thing_n yea_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v say_v act._n 16.32_o he_o speak_v the_o word_n of_o the_o lord_n to_o he_o and_o to_o all_o in_o his_o house_n and_z vers_n 33._o he_o rejoice_v believe_v god_n with_o all_o his_o house_n act._n 18.8_o crispus_n believe_v the_o lord_n with_o his_o whole_a house_n do_v plain_o prove_v that_o under_o the_o name_n of_o the_o whole_a house_n be_v understand_v those_o only_a that_o hear_v the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o believe_v whence_o it_o be_v answer_v by_o deny_v the_o consequence_n of_o the_o major_a proposition_n we_o reply_v animad_fw-la reply_v animad_fw-la if_o this_o be_v but_o a_o sleight_n conjecture_v whether_o there_o be_v infant_n in_o these_o house_n why_o do_v the_o anabaptist_n proclaim_v with_o such_o confidence_n that_o for_o certain_a there_o be_v none_o and_o that_o there_o be_v for_o certain_a no_o instance_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n of_o any_o baptize_v i_o think_v they_o shall_v leave_v it_o at_o least_o uncertain_a when_o they_o say_v it_o be_v uncertain_a 2_o it_o be_v not_o so_o sleight_v a_o conjecture_n to_o all_o as_o to_z mr._n tomb_n whether_o there_o be_v child_n for_o the_o syr._n in_o the_o story_n act._n 16._o have_v it_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o the_o gaoler_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o the_o child_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o his_o house_n vid._n schindl_n de_fw-mi voce_fw-mi 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d &_o buxt_v sure_o enough_o a_o son_n of_o eight_o day_n old_a be_v a_o son_n and_o if_o son_n of_o the_o house_n than_o some_o son_n of_o the_o father_n of_o the_o house_n what_o ever_o note_n may_v be_v put_v on_o the_o text_n different_a from_o the_o word_n in_o the_o text_n 3_o it_o be_v not_o so_o plain_o prove_v that_o under_o the_o name_n of_o the_o whole_a house_n child_n or_o infant_n be_v not_o understand_v first_o because_o when_o the_o holy_a ghost_n mention_n house_n it_o mean_v child_n too_o if_o there_o be_v no_o express_a exception_n gen._n 50.22_o for_o they_o abound_v with_o child_n exod._n 1._o so_o 1_o tim._n 3.5_o for_o there_o be_v mention_n of_o the_o child_n v._o 4._o i_o omit_v many_o other_o instance_n for_o brevity_n sake_n second_o where_o by_o house_n child_n be_v not_o include_v they_o be_v express_o exclude_v gen._n 50.7_o 8._o and_o joseph_n go_v to_o bury_v his_o father_n and_o all_o the_o house_n of_o joseph_n go_v only_o their_o little_a one_o they_o leave_v in_o goshen_n numb_a 16.32_o 33._o and_o the_o earth_n open_v her_o mouth_n and_o swallow_v they_o up_o and_o all_o their_o house_n and_o all_o the_o man_n that_o appertain_v to_o korah_n numb_a 26.11_o notwithstanding_o the_o child_n of_o korah_n die_v not_o three_o it_o be_v distinct_o say_v act._n 16.32_o that_o peter_n speak_v the_o word_n to_o the_o gaoler_n and_o to_o all_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o his_o house_n which_o be_v more_o than_o to_o all_o of_o his_o house_n the_o holy_a ghost_n make_v some_o such_o distinction_n rom._n 9.6_o they_o be_v not_o all_o israe_fw-la that_o be_v of_o israel_n so_o that_o all_o in_o the_o gaolers_n house_n seem_v to_o be_v put_v to_o include_v those_o prisoner_n at_o large_a and_o other_o that_o be_v not_o of_o his_o family_n but_o only_o in_o his_o house_n at_o that_o time_n by_o reason_n of_o the_o hurry_n and_o noise_n of_o the_o prison_n open_a etc._n etc._n run_v together_o to_o see_v what_o be_v the_o matter_n four_o he_o speak_v the_o word_n to_o all_o in_o his_o house_n be_v a_o speech_n that_o may_v not_o absurd_o in_o some_o proportion_n be_v extend_v to_o child_n when_o something_o by_o it_o redound_v to_o child_n as_o it_o be_v say_v john_n leap_v in_o the_o womb_n of_o his_o mother_n elizabeth_n and_o elizabeth_n be_v fill_v with_o the_o holy_a ghost_n at_o the_o salutation_n of_o mary_n and_o act._n 2._o the_o promise_n be_v to_o you_o and_o your_o child_n for_o they_o shall_v be_v the_o better_a for_o this_o the_o word_n be_v speak_v be_v extend_v to_o the_o gaoler_n child_n in_o that_o by_o his_o faith_n they_o be_v near_o too_o and_o in_o a_o ready_a capacity_n of_o salvation_n than_o before_o when_o the_o father_n be_v a_o enemy_n what_o mean_v else_o that_o v._o 31._o believe_v thou_o and_o thou_o shall_v be_v save_v and_o thy_o house_n can_v we_o possible_o exclude_v here_o some_o that_o be_v not_o able_a to_o hear_v the_o word_n distinct_o five_o it_o be_v say_v signanter_n acuratc_o and_o by_o way_n of_o distinction_n for_o he_o and_o he_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o he_o be_v baptize_v and_o all_o those_o that_o be_v his_o how_o can_v this_o be_v true_a if_o those_o child_n he_o have_v be_v not_o baptize_v and_o therefore_o mr._n tomb_n be_v too_o bold_a to_o speak_v that_o latter_a clause_n
in_o baptise_v people_n of_o ripe_a year_n de_fw-la facto_fw-la in_o fact_n confession_n of_o sin_n etc._n etc._n do_v precede_v and_o forego_v but_o neither_o john_n baptist_n nor_o the_o apostle_n make_v any_o such_o express_a rule_n that_o the_o jure_v of_o equity_n none_o shall_v be_v baptize_v by_o they_o but_o those_o that_o can_v make_v confession_n of_o sin_n or_o profession_n of_o faith_n nor_o do_v all_o the_o scripture_n bring_v by_o mr._n t._n prove_v any_o such_o rule_n mr._n t._n himself_o intimated_o confess_v that_o john_n the_o baptist_n do_v not_o make_v a_o rule_n for_o confession_n but_o only_o in_o practice_v those_o jew_n of_o ripe_a year_n that_o john_n baptist_n do_v baptize_v do_v first_o confess_v their_o sin_n and_o that_o act._n 2.39_o act._n 16._o etc._n etc._n have_v be_v already_o discuss_v that_o they_o show_v child_n be_v baptize_v who_o can_v not_o make_v confession_n or_o profession_n but_o mr._n t._n object_n act._n 8.37_o if_o thou_o believe_v with_o thy_o whole_a heart_n thou_o may_v be_v baptize_v where_o the_o apostle_n imply_v in_o his_o speech_n to_o the_o eunuch_n that_o defect_n of_o faith_n be_v a_o impediment_n of_o baptism_n we_o answer_v mr._n t._n afore_o confess_v p._n 24._o infant_n may_v be_v sanctify_v if_o therefore_o he_o mean_v the_o defect_n of_o manifestation_n of_o faith_n we_o answer_v it_o be_v true_a in_o man_n of_o ripe_a year_n for_o there_o it_o be_v know_v that_o they_o be_v worse_o than_o infant_n so_o be_v it_o in_o circumcision_n if_o ishmael_n be_v a_o know_a scoffer_n he_o be_v cast_v out_o and_o so_o his_o child_n be_v not_o circumcise_v unless_o perhaps_o after_o at_o year_n they_o give_v good_a testimony_n of_o their_o due_a subjection_n to_o the_o law_n so_o that_o to_o the_o whole_a argumentation_n we_o say_v that_o here_o be_v mention_n of_o the_o manner_n of_o the_o practice_n of_o that_o first_o administration_n of_o baptism_n to_o the_o parent_n with_o confession_n and_o profession_n by_o many_o example_n and_o intimation_n but_o not_o a_o rule_n set_v down_o that_o thus_o it_o must_v be_v in_o the_o succession_n of_o believer_n child_n we_o listen_v not_o to_o speak_v any_o thing_n more_o of_o this_o major_a proposition_n and_o the_o proof_n only_o wonder_v that_o among_o the_o crowd_n of_o scripture_n mr._n t._n quote_v he_o will_v thrust_v in_o that_o of_o act._n 19.5_o for_o baptism_n of_o water_n which_o be_v only_o a_o confer_v of_o the_o miraculary_a gift_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n by_o imposition_n of_o hand_n as_o many_o argument_n from_o the_o place_n can_v evince_v but_o mr._n t._n object_n this_o for_o a_o confirmation_n of_o his_o argument_n that_o if_o it_o be_v right_o argue_v from_o 1_o cor._n 11.28_o that_o the_o lord_n supper_n be_v not_o to_o be_v grant_v to_o infant_n because_o self-examination_n be_v pre-required_n by_o like_a reason_n we_o may_v say_v baptism_n be_v not_o yield_v to_o infant_n because_o repentance_n and_o faith_n be_v pre-required_n act._n 2.38_o act._n 8.37_o and_o that_o of_o those_o that_o descend_v from_o abraham_n and_o to_o who_o the_o promise_n be_v beside_o what_o we_o say_v afore_o we_o answer_v to_o this_o argument_n great_a in_o show_n that_o there_o be_v not_o the_o like_a reason_n between_o those_o place_n for_o baptism_n and_o that_o for_o the_o lord_n supper_n for_o 1._o that_o of_o the_o lord_n supper_n speak_v of_o every_o communicant_a viritim_fw-la as_o count_v one_o after_o another_o let_v the_o party_n whosoever_o it_o be_v enter_v into_o self-examination_n before_o eat_v but_o that_o act._n 2.38_o speak_v in_o the_o gub_n or_o general_a to_o the_o parent_n and_o that_o act._n 8.37_o be_v speak_v to_o one_o only_a man_n and_o in_o that_o phrase_n that_o can_v be_v find_v elsewhere_o on_o that_o occasion_n 2._o there_o be_v no_o intimation_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n of_o child_n admit_v to_o the_o lord_n supper_n but_o in_o that_o act._n 2._o present_o in_o the_o next_o verse_n v._o 39_o there_o be_v a_o intimation_n of_o their_o infant_n admit_v to_o baptism_n as_o before_o we_o have_v evince_v that_o clause_n of_o descend_v from_o abraham_n and_o the_o belong_v of_o the_o promise_n be_v of_o no_o weight_n in_o this_o argument_n for_o 1_o the_o parent_n by_o put_v to_o death_n christ_n have_v make_v themselves_o in_o wickedness_n worse_o than_o gentile_n 2_o that_o confession_n and_o profession_n be_v express_o call_v for_o only_o from_o they_o that_o be_v so_o apparent_o wicked_a 3_o that_o if_o they_o do_v come_v in_o by_o repentance_n the_o promise_n say_v the_o apostle_n present_o run_v to_o their_o child_n chap._n xiii_o the_o four_o argument_n say_v mr._n t._n be_v take_v from_o the_o next_o age_n after_o the_o apostle_n apostle_n exercit._fw-la sect._n 17._o the_o 4._o argument_n against_o infant_n baptism_n from_o the_o practice_n in_o the_o next_o age_n after_o the_o apostle_n that_o tenet_n and_o practice_n be_v doubtful_a of_o which_o it_o can_v be_v prove_v that_o it_o be_v in_o force_n or_o use_v in_o the_o next_o age_n after_o the_o apostle_n but_o it_o can_v be_v prove_v that_o the_o tenet_n or_o practice_n of_o infant-baptisme_n be_v in_o force_n or_o use_v in_o the_o age_n next_o after_o the_o apostle_n ergo._n the_o major_n be_v of_o itself_o manifest_a the_o minor_a be_v prove_v by_o the_o testimony_n of_o lodovicus_n vives_z above-recited_n to_o which_o vossius_fw-la in_o the_o sibus_fw-la historico-theologicis_a of_o infant-baptisme_n join_v the_o testimony_n of_o walafridus_n strabo_n and_o by_o the_o examine_n of_o place_n bring_v to_o that_o purpose_n and_o by_o the_o continuation_n of_o question_n propound_v to_o the_o baptize_v in_o age_n follow_v and_o other_o token_n from_o council_n and_o ecclesiastical_a writer_n which_o in_o historical_a business_n be_v wont_a to_o beget_v credit_n the_o word_n of_o walafridus_n strabo_n who_o live_v about_o the_o year_n 840._o in_o his_o book_n derebus_n ecclesiasticis_fw-la chap._n 26._o be_v these_o we_o be_v also_o to_o note_n that_o in_o the_o first_o time_n the_o grace_n of_o baptism_n be_v wont_v only_o to_o be_v give_v to_o they_o who_o by_o integrity_n both_o of_o body_n and_o mind_n be_v already_o come_v to_o this_o that_o they_o can_v know_v and_o understand_v what_o profit_n be_v to_o be_v obtain_v in_o baptism_n what_o be_v to_o be_v confess_v and_o believe_v what_o last_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v of_o they_o that_o be_v bear_v again_o in_o christ_n thus_o far_o mr._n t._n and_o his_o quotation_n of_o walafridus_n 1._o to_o mr._n t._n his_o major_n we_o say_v animadvers_fw-la animadvers_fw-la that_o it_o be_v not_o of_o itself_o manifest_a for_o what_o if_o we_o can_v produce_v any_o record_n of_o antiquity_n for_o the_o use_n and_o practice_v of_o many_o thing_n in_o the_o age_n next_o to_o the_o apostle_n be_v they_o therefore_o doubtful_a when_o as_o we_o have_v the_o word_n of_o god_n for_o they_o therefore_o the_o 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be_v not_o the_o way_n to_o beget_v credit_n in_o the_o judicious_a reader_n it_o be_v too_o much_o to_o believe_v every_o author_n upon_o his_o bare_a word_n without_o other_o circumstance_n and_o therefore_o by_o much_o more_o too_o much_o to_o believe_v author_n not_o produce_v but_o only_o intimate_v by_o mr._n t._n 2._o mr._n tomb_n give_v we_o in_o two_o late-man_n in_o comparison_n of_o the_o stream_n of_o ancient_a antiquity_n which_o be_v contrary_a to_o those_o two_o 3._o if_o those_o two_o have_v be_v a_o considerable_a number_n or_o have_v produce_v to_o we_o any_o considerable_a reason_n or_o quotation_n of_o antiquity_n high_o than_o themselves_o or_o any_o fair_a probability_n or_o circumstance_n how_o they_o gather_v it_o they_o will_v soon_o have_v beget_v credit_n then_o as_o they_o be_v now_o propose_v in_o particular_a first_o to_o ludovicus_n vives_z we_o answer_v
premise_n who_o before_o express_o name_v baptism_n and_o join_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d together_o consecration_n or_o sanctification_n thus_o greg._n naz._n on_o who_o word_n learn_v vossius_fw-la speak_v my_o sense_n non_fw-la igitur_fw-la etc._n etc._n therefore_o say_v vossius_fw-la nazianzen_n do_v not_o deny_v the_o baptism_n of_o little_a child_n who_o if_o there_o be_v any_o danger_n of_o death_n he_o command_v also_o to_o be_v baptize_v but_o only_o judge_v that_o otherwise_o it_o may_v not_o unprofitable_o be_v defer_v to_o the_o three_o or_o four_o year_n which_o be_v only_o one_o doctor_n opinion_n and_o not_o the_o common_a judgement_n of_o the_o ancient_a church_n thus_o vossius_fw-la take_v we_o in_o also_o the_o note_n of_o vincent_n lirinens_fw-la cap._n 39_o quicquid_fw-la unus_fw-la vel_fw-la alter_fw-la patrum_fw-la quam●is_fw-la ille_fw-la sanctus_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o be_v whatsoever_o one_o or_o other_o of_o the_o father_n albeit_o he_o be_v holy_a and_o learned_a etc._n etc._n shall_v think_v beside_o or_o contrary_n to_o all_o the_o rest_n let_v that_o go_v among_o his_o own_o proper_a hide_a and_o private_a opiniol_n or_o conceit_n as_o different_z and_z severed_z from_o the_o authority_n of_o that_o common_a judgement_n etc._n etc._n and_o last_o give_v we_o leave_v to_o add_v our_o observation_n 1_o that_o according_a to_o the_o design_n in_o hand_n nazianzen_n hold_v the_o baptism_n of_o little_a child_n that_o have_v not_o yet_o the_o use_n of_o reason_n not_o as_o a_o unwritten_a tradition_n but_o according_a to_o his_o judgement_n as_o well_o as_o other_o right_o ground_v on_o the_o scripture_n in_o the_o institution_n and_o administration_n of_o circumcision_n and_o that_o of_o the_o sprinkle_n of_o the_o paschal_n blood_n on_o the_o doore-post_n exod._n 12._o have_v baptism_n of_o infant_n be_v hold_v in_o his_o time_n only_o as_o a_o tradition_n he_o have_v not_o argue_v it_o from_o scripture_n 2_o that_o for_o 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if_o a_o infant_n die_v before_o it_o be_v baptize_v but_o nazianzen_n mean_v danger_n of_o bodily_a death_n and_o therefore_o give_v it_o as_o a_o precept_n or_o command_n that_o in_o case_n there_o be_v danger_n that_o the_o infant_n may_v die_v before_o it_o be_v seal_v with_o baptism_n let_v it_o be_v baptize_v according_a to_o the_o figure_n thereof_o circumcision_n etc._n etc._n see_v before_o obj._n 2._o nazianzen_n say_v h._n d._n be_v not_o baptize_v till_o he_o be_v 30._o year_n old_a as_o it_o be_v say_v in_o his_o life_n answ_n if_o that_o in_o nazianzens_n life_n say_v this_o true_o yet_o this_o may_v be_v by_o reason_n of_o the_o persecution_n of_o those_o time_n or_o indisposition_n of_o his_o parent_n or_o other_o press_a necessity_n and_o therefore_o do_v infer_v no_o more_o than_o that_o circumcision_n ought_v not_o after_o the_o israelite_n come_v into_o canaan_n to_o be_v administer_v till_o man_n be_v forty_o year_n old_a because_o so_o long_o it_o be_v defer_v 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thirty_o year_n old_a lat._n old_a ibid._n p._n 658._o edit_fw-la paris_n graec._n &_o lat._n and_o you_o hear_v in_o the_o place_n quote_v that_o he_o mention_n defer_v in_o any_o case_n but_o till_o 3_o or_o 4_o year_n old_a or_o less_o sometime_o which_o be_v all_o one_o in_o effect_n with_o baptise_v believer_n infant_n at_o three_o month_n or_o three_o week_n unless_o the_o mathematical_a consideration_n of_o word_n speak_v without_o knowledge_n as_o persius_n his_o parrot_n speak_v greek_n baptize_v greek_n one_o of_o the_o anabaptist_n in_o a_o book_n call_v the_o character_n of_o the_o beast_n say_v if_o one_o confess_v his_o sin_n though_o there_o be_v no_o sign_n of_o grace_n he_o ought_v to_o be_v baptize_v prevail_v with_o some_o second_o mr._n tomb_n object_n in_o his_o examen_fw-la against_o nazianzen_n examen_fw-la sect._n 6._o 1._o he_o object_n with_o a_o interrogation_n but_o do_v greg._n nazianzen_n say_v mr._n t._n seem_v only_o to_o restrain_v it_o to_o the_o case_n of_o necessity_n the_o word_n say_v he_o be_v plain_a that_o nazianzen_n give_v the_o reason_n why_o infant_n in_o danger_n of_o death_n shall_v be_v baptize_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o they_o may_v not_o miss_v of_o the_o common_a grace_n but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o give_v his_o opinion_n of_o other_o that_o they_o shall_v stay_v long_o that_o they_o may_v be_v instruct_v and_o so_o their_o mind_n and_o body_n may_v be_v sanctify_v thus_o mr._n t._n animadvers_fw-la animadvers_fw-la we_o answer_v first_o if_o greg._n nazianzen_n do_v give_v reason_n why_o infant_n shall_v be_v baptize_v in_o case_n they_o be_v not_o likely_a to_o live_v to_o be_v of_o ripe_a year_n it_o be_v so_o much_o the_o better_a for_o we_o second_o he_o do_v give_v another_o reason_n beside_o that_o of_o partake_v of_o common_a grace_n namely_o 1_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o it_o be_v better_a they_o shall_v be_v sanctify_v without_o a_o feel_n of_o it_o then_o to_o depart_v without_o the_o seal_n so_o he_o think_v they_o be_v sanctify_v too_o in_o infancy_n as_o well_o as_o at_o ripe_a year_n 2_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o reason_n also_o of_o this_o to_o we_o be_v circumsion_n that_o be_v wont_a to_o be_v do_v on_o the_o eight_o day_n etc._n etc._n three_o we_o answer_v that_o all_o three_o reason_n stand_v in_o force_n as_o well_o for_o all_o believer_n infant_n god_n put_v they_o under_o the_o promise_n gen._n 17._o as_o for_o those_o infant_n that_o be_v in_o danger_n of_o death_n four_o that_o nazianzen_n urge_v divers_a divine_a reason_n to_o he_o evince_v for_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n not_o in_o danger_n of_o death_n but_o for_o the_o delay_n of_o other_o not_o in_o danger_n of_o death_n he_o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i_o give_v my_o opinion_n he_o call_v it_o his_o opinion_n and_o what_o be_v it_o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d such_o child_n shall_v stay_v till_o three_o or_o four_o year_n old_a more_o or_o 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spare_v the_o greek_n or_o man_n of_o any_o other_o language_n but_o if_o perhaps_o they_o at_o least_o by_o mean_n of_o your_o sober_a examination_n have_v escape_v your_o peremptory_a sentence_n what_o be_v that_o to_o i_o so_o far_o forth_o as_o concern_v the_o business_n in_o hand_n it_o little_a or_o nothing_o advantage_v see_v i_o be_o only_o a_o latin_a i_o can_v use_v those_o testimony_n of_o a_o strange_a tongue_n which_o i_o understand_v not_o whereby_o i_o may_v convert_v or_o convince_v you_o because_o you_o disdain_v to_o give_v credit_n to_o the_o holy_a learned_a doctor_n of_o the_o church_n i_o must_v return_v to_o the_o most_o pure_a fountain_n of_o all_o rivulet_n and_o witness_n be_v to_o be_v bring_v out_o of_o the_o say_n of_o the_o evangelist_n apostle_n and_o prophet_n if_o nevertheless_o you_o receive_v so_o much_o as_o they_o this_o be_v the_o only_a likely_a place_n that_o i_o find_v in_o all_o cluniacensis_fw-la his_o chapter_n and_o treatise_n agha_v de_fw-fr bruis_n touch_v the_o point_n of_o paedobaptism_n which_o i_o can_v imagine_v mr_n t._n shall_v mean_v and_o in_o all_o this_o let_v the_o reader_n judge_n whether_o mr_n t._n his_o 3_o supposition_n in_o his_o observation_n can_v be_v find_v but_o rather_o the_o contrary_n as_o 1._o that_o cluniacensis_fw-la do_v not_o urge_v the_o latin_a doctor_n but_o express_o wave_v they_o and_o of_o augustin_n particular_o he_o say_v in_o another_o place_n in_o argue_v against_o de_fw-fr bruis_n out_o of_o the_o scripture_n ee●●_n hoc_fw-la non_fw-la de_fw-fr augustino_n sed_fw-la de_fw-fr evangelio_n protuli_fw-la i_o have_v produce_v this_o not_o out_o of_o augustine_n but_o out_o of_o the_o gospel_n 2._o that_o therefore_o augustine_n authority_n be_v not_o advance_v in_o this_o point_n by_o cluniacensis_fw-la against_o de_fw-fr bruis_n 3._o that_o de_fw-fr bruis_n do_v not_o appeal_v to_o the_o greek_a church_n nor_o do_v cluniacensis_fw-la charge_n it_o upon_o de_fw-fr bruis_n that_o he_o the_o say_v bruis_n be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o greek_a do_v appeal_v to_o the_o greek_a church_n but_o as_o you_o hear_v in_o the_o translation_n of_o cluniacensis_fw-la that_o he_o the_o say_v cluniacensis_fw-la profess_v himself_o a_o mere_a latin_a ignorant_a of_o the_o greek_a for_o cluniacensis_fw-la make_v a_o supposition_n that_o perhaps_o de_fw-fr bruis_n and_o heinricus_n may_v despise_v the_o greek_a church_n and_o other_o church_n as_o well_o as_o the_o latin_a or_o if_o perhaps_o they_o do_v not_o despise_v the_o greek_n yet_o cluniacensis_fw-la being_n a_o latin_a can_v not_o urge_v they_o so_o also_o in_o the_o translation_n afore_o and_o there_o be_v the_o less_o probability_n that_o cluniacensis_fw-la shall_v charge_v de_fw-fr bruis_n with_o appeal_n from_o the_o latin_a church_n to_o the_o greek_a as_o if_o it_o side_v with_o de_fw-fr bruis_n in_o the_o point_n of_o anabaptism_n for_o cluniacensis_fw-la urge_v on_o his_o own_o part_n the_o greek_a church_n 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amend_v yea_o if_o m._n t._n hold_v excommunication_n out_o and_o baptism_n a_o admission_n into_o particular_a church_n communion_n how_o i_o leave_v he_o to_o make_v out_o if_o i_o say_v he_o hold_v these_o than_o i_o suppose_v if_o he_o be_v in_o a_o particular_a church_n he_o will_v give_v his_o vote_n to_o excommunicate_v one_o that_o walk_v profane_o after_o baptism_n then_o by_o the_o same_o proportion_n we_o may_v keep_v back_o from_o the_o communion_n one_o baptize_v in_o infancy_n and_o after_o prove_v profane_a and_o by_o a_o better_a pretence_n see_v by_o baptism_n we_o do_v not_o admit_v he_o into_o a_o particular_a church_n where_o peculiar_o be_v administer_v the_o communion_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n to_o m._n t._n his_o seven_o particular_a in_o the_o minor_a of_o his_o eight_o argument_n exercitat_fw-la exercitat_fw-la that_o infant-baptisme_n do_v prevent_v the_o order_n of_o discipline_n that_o first_o a_o man_n be_v baptize_v and_o after_o be_v among_o the_o catechise_v we_o answer_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la 1_o that_o god_n command_v abraham_n to_o give_v the_o first_o sign_n or_o seal_n to_o all_o his_o male_a family_n gen._n 17._o after_o gen._n 18.19_o it_o be_v say_v he_o will_v instruct_v his_o child_n 2_o instruction_n may_v follow_v receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n else_o farewell_n preach_v therefore_o it_o may_v follow_v baptism_n 3_o we_o have_v show_v plentiful_o out_o of_o good_a antiquity_n and_o famous_a modern_a author_n upon_o heb._n 6.2_o that_o the_o doctrine_n on_o catechizing_n of_o baptism_n belong_v to_o unbeliever_n child_n before_o baptism_n and_o the_o doctrine_n of_o imposition_n of_o hand_n belong_v to_o believer_n infant_n after_o baptism_n 4_o that_o to_o acknowledge_v one_o a_o member_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n by_o a_o general_a confession_n and_o the_o common_a act_n of_o baptism_n be_v a_o great_a overthrow_n to_o discipline_n by_o leave_v this_o man_n in_o that_o condition_n that_o you_o can_v 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baptize_v show_v himself_o a_o disciple_n and_o confess_v the_o faith_n in_o which_o he_o have_v be_v instruct_v confirm_v the_o argument_n against_o infant-baptisme_n from_o its_o void_v the_o chief_a end_n of_o baptism_n confirm_v 1_o the_o require_v of_o confession_n by_o john_n baptist_n and_o the_o apostle_n be_v wont_a to_o be_v before_o baptism_n luk._n 3.10_o act._n 8.35_o act._n 16.31_o 2_o the_o frequent_a manner_n of_o speak_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n which_o put_v baptism_n for_o doctrine_n act._n 10.37_o act._n 19.3_o show_v this_o beza_n in_o his_o a_o not_o on_o act._n 19.3_o the_o answer_n be_v most_o apposite_a in_o which_o they_o signify_v that_o they_o profess_v in_o baptism_n the_o doctrine_n propound_v by_o john_n and_o confirm_v by_o use_n of_o baptism_n with_o which_o they_o have_v be_v baptize_v whereby_o they_o have_v acknowledge_v christ_n but_o very_o slender_o 3_o the_o form_n of_o christ_n institution_n mat_n 28.19_o compare_v with_o the_o phrase_n as_o it_o be_v use_v 1_o cor._n 1.13_o or_o be_v you_o baptize_v into_o the_o name_n of_o paul_n imply_v the_o same_o on_o which_o place_n beza_n the_o three_o reason_n be_v take_v from_o the_o form_n and_o end_n of_o baptism_n in_o which_o we_o give_v our_o name_n to_o christ_n be_v call_v upon_o with_o the_o father_n and_o holy_a spirit_n 4_o that_o which_o be_v say_v john_n 4_o 2._o he_o make_v and_o baptize_v more_o disciple_n and_o mat._n 28.19_o go_v make_v disciple_n in_o all_o nation_n baptise_v they_o intimate_v this_o and_o if_o as_o some_o affirm_v baptism_n be_v in_o use_n with_o the_o jew_n in_o the_o initiate_a of_o proselyte_n into_o the_o profession_n of_o judaisme_n this_o opinion_n be_v the_o more_o confirm_v but_o in_o infant-baptisme_n the_o matter_n be_v so_o carry_v that_o baptism_n serve_v to_o confirm_v a_o benefit_n not_o to_o signify_v a_o profession_n make_v and_o so_o one_o perhaps_o the_o chief_a end_n of_o baptism_n be_v void_v and_o here_o i_o think_v it_o 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