excludeth the Baptisme of those Heretickes which did not baptize in the name of the Trinity but of the rest thus he disputeth The Baptisme of CHRIST is not to bee reiterated but the Baptisme of Heretickes is the Baptisme of CHRIST The Assumption hee prooveth by this medium By the testimonies of Scripture it is plainly prooved that they have the same Baptisme with the Saints Thus S. Augustine determineth this point by the Scriptures Such is the Fast of Lent Reply 9. Fasting is a Christian duety needfull for our salvation such is not the Fast of Lent The i On Mat. 1. Rhemists doe account it to be a written doctrine grounded upon Scriture Hosius the Cardinall reckoneth it among k Hosius in confess Petrocovien c. 4. de caeremonijs the Traditions of the Church The Iesuite is of opinion that it is a Tradition of the Apostles and for this he citeth S. Hierome saying * Hieron epist ad Marcel Wee faste one Lent by Apostolicall Tradition This he calleth Apostolicall not because it came from the Apostles but because it had gained some space of time for the observing of it in the Church for S. Augustine ascribeth the invention of it l Aug. epist 119. unto the Church And though it were an unwritten Tradition comming from the Apostles yet S. Hierome did not thinke it to be a doctrinall Tradition for m Doctrinâ— Ecclesiae quae est domus Dei in librorum repe ritur plenitudine divinorum Hierom. in Epist 155. ad Paulam Vrbicam The doctrine of the Church which is the house of God is found in the fullnesse of the divine bookes saith S. Hierome It must needs be then a rituall Tradition and such are impertinent to this Question Such also is the commemoration and prayer for the dead Reply pag. 126. in the sacrifice of the Masse witnesse S. Chrysostome * Chrysost hom 3. in Phi It was not in vaine ordained by the Apostles that in the celebration of the venerable mysteries a remembrance should bee made of the deceased They knew well that great comfort and profit did from hence arise unto the dead 10. The private conceit of every Doctor is not the publicke tenent of the Church especially in this point of prayer for the dead in which as most of the Fathers differed among themselves so S. Chrysostome dissented from the most of them It was his opinion That wicked livers that such as were not and would not bee baptized might bee prayed for that such as were in hell might receive some benefite by the prayers of the living Concerning such writing upon the same Chapter he saith n 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c Chrysost in Philip Hom. 3. Let us weepe for such let us succour them according to our power let us finde out some helpe for them little indeede but yet such as may releive them How and after what manner By praying for them Châ—ysostome deserveth to be censured for this for Gregory in his Morals saith o Greg. Moral in Iob l. 34. c. 16 We may aswell pray for the Devill and his Angells as for such and it is the generall tenent of the Romane Doctours that onely those are holpen by the prayers of the living who dye in the state of grace and being dead goe into Purgatory and not unto Hell For thy full satisfaction in this point reade the Article of prayer for the dead which is most learnedly handled by the most reverend Primate unto which I will adde this wee distinguish the point it selfe of praying for the dead from the practise of praying for them at any set time and namely at the time of celebrating the divine Mysteries this is but a custome or p Epiphan in fine Panarij ordinance of the Church by the judgment of Epiphanius of this S. Chrysostome speaketh and such things are as impertinently objected by the Iesuite as this is falsely affirmed by S. Chrysostome Such also is the custome of baptizing Infants before they doe actually beleeve for S. Augustine sayth Reply pag. 126 * Aug. de Genes ad lit l. 10. c. 23. The custome of the Church in baptizing of Infants were not at all to bee beleeved unlesse it were an Apostolicall Tradition And Origen saith * Orig. in Rom. c. 6. The Church received from the Apostles this Tradition to conferre baptisme even unto children 11. None but an Anabaptist would hold this opinion that the baptisme of Children is not warranted by Scripture If he had learned the Catechisme of Trent or if he had read Bellarmines first Booke and eight Chapter de Baptismo hee would not have inserted this into his catalogue of unwritten Traditions That which he produceth out of S. Augustine overthroweth all that which he with so much toile in this and in the former Section hath laboured for to build for if This or that is not to be beleeved unlesse it be an Apostolicall Tradition how then can Ecclesiasticall Traditions be beleeved or how can they be of the same credit and authority with the written word We distinguish betweene the doctrine and the practise in the Sacrament of Baptisme and likewise betweene doctrines expressely written in the Scriptures and by sound inference deduced from them S. Augustine proveth the doctrine by diverse texts of holy Scripture by this q August de peceat merit l. 1. c. 27. He that hath the Sonne hath life By that r Idem de verbis Apostol Serm. 8. He shall save his people from their sinnes And by the Å¿ Idem de Bapt. cont Donat. l. 4. c. 24. Circumcision of Infants As for the custome or practise whereof S. Augustine speaketh we read not of any Children baptised neither doe we read that any Apostles that any old men or widdowes or virgins were baptised but yet the generall precept and practise of baptising the Species under which these Individualls are contained is a sufficient warrant for their baptisme And this custome is to be beleeved * Nec omnino â—redenda est nisi Apostolica osse Traditio esses for esse is crept into the text in S. Augustin to be an Apostolicall Tradition that is a practise according to the written word which is the Tradition of the Apostles In the same sense Origen calleth it a Tradition received from the Apostles He proveth it by this text t Origen Hom. 14. in Luc. Vnlesse a man be borne againe of water and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdome of God Stupleton teacheth the same that we teach concerning this and sundry other points of faith that u Principia in Scripturâ— aperte posita quae plurimorum alioâ—um articulorum â—unt â—ontes seminaria ut de duabns â—atuâ—s una persona in Christo de necessitate baptizandi parvulâ—â— c. de aâ—is multis dogmatihus non aperte Scriptis â—de tamen firmiter deductis Stapleton Relect Princip fidei Contâ—
greater sinne for a Priest to be married to a wife then to live in fornication with many whores that it is worse for a Lay-man not to make his auricular confession once in the yeare then to live in sinne all the yeare that it is a greater sinne to eate flesh in Lent then to be drunken in the Lent and to breake a Saints day then the Lords day these Traditions are contrary and repugnant to the truâ—h of the holy Scriptures * Chrysostoâ—e and Hierome answered Sect. 3. Diâ—is â— Repâ—y pag. 128. Thirdly that our Traditions doe not any way derogate from the fullnesse or perfection of the written Word 3. Traditions are additions to the written word if they bee so then they derogate some way from the perfection of it for that that is perfect needeth no addition And this addition of unwritten doâ—trines to the written Word not onely crosseth the truth of the Scripture in the generall commaund which forbiddeth a â—evel â—â— â—â— â—euter 12 3â— Addition and Substraction but likewise derogateth from the perfection of it for if the Scripture be a covenant then b Gal â— 15. No man must adde unto it c Chrysost hom 12 in Philip. If it bee a Canon it admitteth neither addition nor substraction if it should it ceaseth to bee a Canon saith Châ—ysostome They rather bring unto us the whole complement of Reply pag. 1â—8 Scripture as this example follâ—wing will most plainely declare His Majâ—stie sendeth over into thâ—s Kingdome our of his trustie Counsellours wiâ—h his Royall Letters unto his Subjâ—cts wher in hee prâ—scribâ—tâ— unto them not onely expresse Lawes himselfe but also commaundeth them to fullfill whatsoever shal be enjoyâ—ed them by his said Counseller to whom hee hath imparted his whole will and pleasure Can it bee said I pray you that the subjects of Ireland by obeying unto such things as are commaunded by the said Embassadour doe derogate any thing unto the fulnesse and perfection of His Majesties Letter This his royall argument like Goliaâ—â— sword shall undoe himselfe Be it to The Scriptures are the royall letteâ—s or the grand commission and the Church is the trusty frâ—â—nâ— the Embassadour or Commissioner Now I demauâ—d 1. Is not the authority of the Commissioner or of the Embassadour from his commission or his letters and not the authority of the commission or letters from the commissioner or Embassadour So if this similitude hold the authority or credite of the Church is from the Scriptures and not the authority or credite of the Scriptures from â—he Church 2. May not an Embassadour as many have goe beyond his commission and deliver things contrary to the trust committed to him and so become an Impostor So the Church of Rome is gone beyond her commission hath delivered these things which are contrary to the written word and in this she is a grand Impostor Similitudes are a weake foundation to uphold this pillar of Traditions upon which the weight of all other controversies doth depend especially such a similitude as this which wanteth feet to uphold it selfe 1. Kings of themselves know not all things which are fit for their subjects neither can they fore-see what passages will happen betweene their Commissioners and their people and therfore they are forced to leave many things to the discretion of their Embassadours but it is not so with the King of Kings hee hath revealed all things necessary for his people to the pen-men of Scripture and they according to that revelation have written all things d Aristot de Rhetor. l. 1. c. 1 The best Lawes saith Aristotle determine all things themselves and leave very little to the discretion of the Iudges The Law of God is the best and the most perfect Law how then can there be so many and so great things left to the discretion of the Church 2. The Lawes of Kingdomes are subject to mutation and addition so that his Majesty may send over Commissioners for this purpose but the Law of God is an e Revel 14. 6. eternall Gospell the faith of the Church was f Iude vers 3. at once delivered unto the Saints in the holy Scriptures as it is here confessed by the Iesuite In these letters it is true he hath expressed his Lawes and Commaundements himselfe yet forasmuch as all things are not so manifestly therein described that our feeble understanding may attaine unto the knowledge of his heavenly will by the same alone he himselfe commaundeth us to be ruled by his Church Can any Protestant say more God himselfe hath expressed his Lawes and Commandements in the Scripture And againe All things are therein described though not so manifestly This I confesse doth not derogate from the perfection of Scripture but it over-throweth the Iesuite and his cause because all things are therein described and there is onely required the interpretation of things obscure which no Protestant denyeth because all things are not therein so manifestly described 4. The truth hath convinced the Iesuite yet malice hath set his witts a raveing and his tongue a rayling on his Adversary of most grosse vanity of great madnesse of ostentation and of not touching the point at all But who can with patience endure to heare this animal bray thus It seemeth he is touch'd to the quick and that maketh him kick as if he were madde if he be not it is because his owne conscience is past feeling and yet he taketh upon him to be the Iudge of an other mans conscience He that citeth Scripture more for shew then to purpose taxeth his Answerer For alledging so little Scripturâ—â—◠〈◊〉 Reply pag. 119. and to so little purpose for bringing in his proofes out of Scripture so scanâ—ly who sometimes is puft up with no thing but Scripture The Roman Tradition mongers have lâ—arned the trick of the Iewish Cabbalists to call those of the adverse part Scripturians or men puft up with Scripture Call them as you will I had rather be filled with Scripture then with the puft-paste of Traditions or the puftcrust of humane inventions Neither is the most reverend Primate to be blamed for alledging in this point but a few texts of Scripture because brevity was the thing which he intended in the beginning of this Worke. If he alledged but one text to the purpose Chrysostome pleadeth 1 Chrysoâ—â—â— hom â—6 ad â—â—pul Aâ—â—otheâ— his excusetâ— What have I to doe with multitudes I had rather have one pâ—â—â—ious 〈◊〉 thâ—â— many halfe 〈◊〉 And I thinke a judicious Reader will like better of his little to great purpose then of the Iesuites great deale to little purpose But it is to little purpose for first that text of Matth. 15. In vaine doe they worship me teaching for Doctrines Reply pag. 119. the commaundements of men is farre from proving any thing against us seeing that by it onely such humane Traditâ—ous are reproved aâ— are repugnant to the Law of God 5. Iewish Traditions
with the Iesuite In Theodoret we meet with these kinde of speeches * Theodor. dialog 1. By the Answer Scripture alone am I perswaded * Idem in Genes q 45. we ought not to seeke those things which are passed in silence but rest in the things which are written Vnwritten Traditions are not passed in silence by the Reply pag. 145. Scripture neither â—ought you to gainsay them if you wil be perswaded by the Scripture And truely we may not doubt of the meaning of Theodoret if wee note well what hee recordeth in his Historie to wit that the Fathers of the Nicen Councell condemned the Arians by unwritten Tradition 15. As unwritten Traditions are not Scripture so they are not contained in Scripture I confesse the Scripture doth not passe them in silence no more then it doth Iudaâ— but it is to condemne them The Scripture doth containe some Traditions such are written Traditions and such was the Tradition established in the Councell of Nice against which the Arians disputed This Iesuite hath gathered his basket of scraps from Bellarmines full table out of whom hee might have learned to cite the place aswell as the words The words are these * Theodor. l. 1. c. 1. By unwritten words yet some bookes reade it by written words pioâ—sly understood they were condemned It is not materiall how we reade it either by written words or by unwritten words for our Question is not of unwritten words but of unwritten Doctrines The unwritten words were Coessentiall or Consubstantiall which words though they are not written letter for letter in Scripture yet the Doctrine signified by those words is written in other words as we have oft showed and once more will make it appeare Athanasius was one of the Nicâ—nâ— Councell and the wordes cited out of Theodoret are taken out of * Athanas in Epistol ad Afros Athanasius and yet the Iesuite hath * pag 119. formerly declared unto us the judgement of this holy Father That the Scriptures are sufficient for the discovery of this truth that Christ is God So that by the opinion of this holy Father the Arians might be condemned by Scripture aswell as by unwritten words the wordes being unwritten and yet the doctrine written Theodoret in the same Chapter cited by the Iesuite addeth this out of Athanasiâ—â— that they of that famous Councell Gathered testimonies out of the Scriptures and by them condemned the Arians Adde unto this the grave oration which the great learned Emperour Consâ—antine made in that Councel in which he concludeth with this exhortation unto which they all yeelded * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Theodor. l. 1. c 7. Let us resolve the things in question by the divine Scriptures In those things saith S. * August de doct Christian l. â— c. 9. Reply pag. 146. Augustine which are plainely laid downâ— in the Scriptures all those things are found which appertâ—ine to faith and direction of life Can you inferre therefore that Traditions are not necessary Answer and may you not inferre also that therefore your Doctrines deduced by sound inferences are as needlesse S. Augustine speaketh in this place not of all and every point in particular but onely of such points as are generally necessary for every one to know as the Creed the ten Commandements and the like 16. Vnwritten Traditions and sound inferences differ as much as truth and errour sound Inferences are plainly though not expressely word for word contained in the Scriptures but for unwritten Traditions there is neither plaine nor expresse warrant in them You declare S. Augustines meaning contrary to his minde hee speaketh of all things you of some things appertaining to all persons hee speaketh of the Scripture that in some places it is plaine in other places obscure you of points of faith which are necessary for some but noâ— for every one to know he saith in the plaine places all things that appertaine to faith are lâ—ide downe you say all plaine points of faith are laide downe in Scripture Is there not a plaine difference betweene your interpretation and S. Augustines text Wee know that there are some things necessary some things not necessary to be knowne Whosoever will be saved saith Athanasius in his Creed which is sung in your Church it is necessary that he holde the Cutholicks faith Other things there are which are not necessary y Athanas ad Scrap We must know that God iâ— and that be is a rewarder but how wee neede not know saith the same Father And S. Augustine writing of the Question how the soule becommeth tainted with originalâ— sinne saith z Credo etiâ—m divinorum â—loqâ—oruâ— clarisâ—imâ— authoritâ—â— esset si â—oâ—o illâ—â— sine dispendio promissâ— salutiâ— ignorare â—on possâ—â— August l. â— de peccat merit c. ultimo I beleeve that the Scripturâ—â— would â—ikewise declare this plainely if it were a thing of which a man could not be ignorant without the lesse of salvaâ—iâ—â— But this doctrine was never knowne to S. Augustine neither doe wee receive it That there should bee paints of faith which are necessary for all and those should bee contained in the Scriptures and that there are points of faith not necessary for all but onely for some and those should not bee laide downe in the Scripture a â—phes 4. 5 There is one Lord one faith one baptisme As one Lord of Priest and people and one baptisme for all so but one faith for all even an * Verse 1â— unity of faith for Pasters Teachers and for the Saints How can this faith be Catholicke if the same faith be not necessary for all his onely answer must be this That unwritten Traditions are no part of the Catholicke faith that they are not generally necessary for all to know if they were they would bee found among those things which are plainly laid downe in Scripture b Vna fideâ— quia unum idem creditur à â—unctis fidelibus unde catholicadiâ—tur Aquin. in Ephes 4. There is one faith saith Aquinas because one and the same thing is beleeved of all the faithfull and therefore it is â—alled Catholickâ— There is no specificall but only a graduall difference betweene the faith and knowledge required of the Priest and of the people and the Scripture maketh both the man of God and a godly man perfect and thoroughly furnished to every good worke This answer of the Iesuite is not unlike that answer made by a Chaplia of Bâ—shop Bâ—â—ners unto the Martyr Haâ—kes c Fox his Acts. pag. 1586. That the Scriptures are sufficient for salvation but not for instruction And I answere as the Martyr did God send â—e the salvation and you the instruction If in the things plainely laide downe in Scripture all things are found which are generally necessary for every one to know why then doe you teach That it is not found in Sâ—ripture that the * pag.
p. 164. alledge not onely the same Text which ancient Heretickes alledged but also directly in the same sense When S. Augustine urged Maximinus the Arian with unwritten Traditions hee received this Answer from him * Aug. l. 1. cont Max. These sayings which are not in Scripture may not be received of us seeing our Lord warning us doth say Without cause doe they worship me tâ—â—ching for Doctrines the commandements of menâ—â—â—nd is not this selfe-same text the first which you in like manner produce against unâ—ritten Traditions 6. S. Augustine did not urge Maximinus with unwritten Traditions they disputed of unwritten sayings not of unwritten but of a written doctrine by unwritten sayings he urged him Wherefore we say for our selves it is a directlye for directly in the same sense wee alledge it not We alledge it against unwritten Doctrines not against unwritten sayings as that Arian did and we receive unwritten sayings which are not in Scripture although wee refuse to receive unwritten Doctrines This is a verball argument taken â— verbis ad res How can it be in the sâ—â—â— sensâ— and against the same truth when we receiuâ— both the saying and the Doctrine rejected by that Arian Irenaus and Tertullian doe openly make it knowne that the Valentinians Gnosticks and Mareionits condemned unwritten Reply pag. 156 Traditions Hilarie Epiphanius and Augustine doe testifie the same of the Arians S. Basil of the Eunomians The Donatists pleaded onely for Scripture denying the authority of the Church and of Traditions and yet S. Augustine still pursued them with unwritten Traditions 7. In all this the Iesuite harpeth upon three strings 1. That the Hereticks did plead onely for Scripture 2. That they rejected unwritten Traditions 3. That the Fathers pursued them by unwritten Traditions To the first I answer suppose it were so that the Heretickes did plead onely for Scripture are they therefore Heretickes that doe the same What then shall we say of the Fathers who were as earnest to try all controversies by the Scripture as the Heretickes were This maketh men Hereticks saith S. Augustine i Non quod Scripturas non contemnunt sed quod eas non intelligunt Aug. Epist 222. Not because they fly to the Scriptures but because they understand them not The Fathers did not condemne the Hereticks for appealing unto Scripture but as we haâ—â— shewed out of Irenaeus Tertullian for speaking disgracefully of it that truth could not bee knowne out of Scripture by them that were ignorant of Tradition because all things were not delivered in Scripture Theodoâ—et setteth forth the practice of the Heretickes in this manner Å¿ S. vides ni petitisè Scripturis demonstrationibus stultitiam suam constringinum Scripturae recusant scopum usum Si quando vero putart nudum aliquod effatum à genuinâ recisum Orationis sene ad suum propositum accommodant â—uis confirmandis Theodor in opusc cont vanas haeres Whensoever they saw that their folly was discovered by demonstration taken out of the Scriptures then they denyed the scope and the use of Scripture And if at any time they thought that there was any bare saying which being severed from the 〈◊〉 meaning might servâ— for their turne that they made use of to confirme their opinions Yet whensoever they appealed unto Scripture the Fathers accepted of the challenge and â—ought with them at those weapons l Lapidandoâ— esse Haereticos Scripturarum argumeâ—tis Athan. Orat. coâ—t Arâ—an They accouÌ„ted the Scriptures to be the touchstone of truth Heretickes are tâ—â—e stoned with the arguments of Scripture saith Athanasiâ—â— u Sicut salâ—atâ—r vâ—rbo doctrinae suae silentium imposuit Sadducâ— is sic â—aeient Christi imitatores exâ—mplis Sâ—rit turarum quibus oportet secundum sanam doctrinam omnem voâ—em abmâ—â—es ere hâ—raonis Origen tract 23. in Mat. As our Saviour by the word of his Doctrine put the Sadduces to silence so must we by the examples of Scripture if we will be the fâ—llowers of Christ by the which according unto sound Doctrine wee ought to stop the mouth of every proud Pharaâ—h saith Origen S. Augustine did not reject the appeale of the Donatists unto Scripture as if it were coraâ— non Iudice but commendeth it as the best way as appeareth by his Answer unto x Aug. l. 5. contra Donat. c. 2â— Cyprians appeale in the same point unto the same Iudge and by his severall Answers to the Donatists themselves y Sunt libri dominici quorum authoritatiutrique consentimus ibi quaeâ—anius ecclesiam ibi discutiamâ—s causam nostram Idâ—â— de unitat â—cles cap. 3. There are the bookes of the Lord unto whose authoritie wee both submit in them let uâ— seeke for the Church by them let us examine our cause And againe in his sixth Chapter Reade this out of the Law out of the Prophets out of the Psalmes cut of the Gospels and Epistles reade it and wee will believe it The hope of prolonging the controversies of tiring the Orthodoxe this moved the Heretickes to appeale to the Scriptures that so the sentence might not finally passe against them as if the Iesuite being questioned before an inferiour Iudge for his Religion should appeâ—le unto his Majestie to gaine time thereby And as wee see some men that love trouble appealing from Court to Court to vexe their Adversaries though their cause bee never so bad S. Paul z Act. â—5 â—â— appealed unto Caesar so did his enemies was Caesar therefore no sufficient Iudge In like manner as the Fathers appealed unto Scripture so did the Heretickes Is therefore this practice evill Or is the Scripture therefore no sufficient Iudge The more doe appeale unto it the more witnesses there are of the sufficiency of it Origen giveth this reason why the Tempter used Scripture a Origen 〈◊〉 3. in Luc. Because if hee had spoken without booke his words could have had no authoritie You may aswell say that we learned this doctrine from the Devill as from Heretickes It is a truth which the Fathers have taught which the Heretickes acknowledged and the Devil believeth it and he is worse then an Heretick then the Devil that will deny it To the second I answer As all Heretickes rejected not Traditions so all that reject Traditions are not Hereticks Traditions are either written or unwritten they rejected some written Traditions and those were points of faith else they could not be Heretickes but all poinis of faith necessary for all to know as the * pag. â—4â— Iesuite hath confessed are expressed in the Scripture He nameth the Valentinians Guosticks and Marcionites and these taught against the nature of Christ and against the resurrection and the like as he confesseth Againe the Arians and the Ennomians and they taught against the Deitie of Christ and of the holy Ghost And for the Donatists they taught against the unitiâ— of Bapâ—ismâ— All these we have proved to bee written Traditions rejected
by these Hereticks As for unwritreÌ„ Traditions doctrines not taught in Scripture but delivered by word of mouth they rejected them not they laide the foundation and upon their foundation you have built this pillar of your Religion this towre and fort of your salvation This is not onely discovered by Irenaeâ—â— and Tertullian but likewise I may adde S. Augustine who declareth this to be the practice of all Heretickes b Aug. tract 97. in Ioh. All of the most foolish Heretickes use to colour their bold fictions with this saying I have yet many things to say unto you And this very text the Iesuite * pag. 119. likewise useth to the same purpose to colour this bolde fiction of unwritten Traditions therewith Thus the Heretickes yea omnes insipientissimi Haereâ—iâ—i if you will believe S. Augustine agreed in urgeing unwritten Traditions And yet the Iesuite saith they agreed in rejecting unwritten Traditions To the third That the Fathers pursued those Heretickes by unwritten Traditions I answere If a man bee to dispute against an Heathen it is in vaâ—e to presse him by the authority of Scripture which he denyeth Many of the Fathers disputed against Heretickes that did sapere cum Ethnicis as Tertullian c Tertul. de resurrect cain affirmeth and would not bee tryeâ— by the Scriptures but rejeâ—ted them as counterfeit as impâ—rfect and lyable to various interpretations as Ireâ—â—us hâ—th recorded their actions to dâ—pute against sâ—ch by the Scriptures would be but labour lost Cyrill teachâ—th us how to deale with such d Contra coâ— qui â—eriâ—ta non admittunâ— pugâ—ato aâ—â— is non scriptis ex solis ratiocinationibus demonstrationibus Cyril Hâ—erosol catechâ—s 18. Fight against such as deny the Scriptures by unwritten weapons onely by strong reasons and demonstrations Thus Cyrill in the same place prooveth the Resurrection of the Body by the renewing of the Moone as S. Paul proveth it by e 1. Cor. 15. the springing of the Corne. The same Apostle maketh use of Heathen Poets as of Epimâ—nides * Tit. 1. Aratiâ— and * Act. 17. Menander And so the Fathers made use of all kinde of learning by unwritten arguments they proved written Doâ—trines against such as denyed the written word And when the Heretickes appealed from Scripture to unwritten Traditions they purâ—ued them by the true Tradition of the Church which was is the same with that which * 1. Cor. 15. is contained in the Scripture This is nothing for unwritten Doctrinâ—s it onely concerneth modum probandi not rem probatâ—m The thing proved may be written although the mâ—dium or argumentum whereby it is proved be not written What enemies those famous Hereticks Nestorius Eutyâ—hes Reply p. â—â—7â— Dioschorus were unto unwritten Traditions is dâ—scovered by Basil Bishop of Ancâ—ra S. Bernard telleth us the same â—le of certuine Hereticks of his time called Apostolicks who were followed herein by Wicklessâ— as Thomas Waldensis doth recount by the Hussites as Cocklaus beareth witnes from these Bellarmine saith truly thâ— Pâ—otestants did receive their opinion And this is your Pedegree x. We receive not our opinion from man but finde our doctrine delivered in the Scriptures from time to time confirmed by the preaching writings of the Fathers As for Basil Bishop of Ancira he was an idolater and one of that second conventicle at Nice wherein by unwritten Traditions idolatry was established so that his testimony is little worth Those famous Heretickes Nostorius Entyches Dioschorus were not condemned for denying unwritten Traditions but for opposing written Doctrines Although Bernard lived in a declining age yet he defendeth no unwritten Traditions against the Apostolicks but being urged by them to shew where in the Gospell this is written He accepteth of their Appeale to the Gospell prosecuteth them in their appeale and examineth the cause by the Scripture f Beâ—â—ard â—erm 65. in Caâ—â—ic Evangelium appellasts Ad Evangelium ibis Hast thâ—â— appealed unto the Gospell To the Gospell thou shalt goe Wickliffe defendeth no hereticall Doctrine but the doctrine of the Primitive Church as Thomas Waldensis relateth it g Quod nulli quidquam in materiâ— fidei debent definiâ—e nisi ad hoc habent authoritatem Scripturae Tho. Wald. l. 2. Doct. â—id antiq c. 19 That none ought to determine any thing in a point of faith without the authoritie of Scripture If this make Wickliffe an Hereticke what then will you say of Thomas Waldensis himselfe who saith as much if not more against the authority of the Roman Church h Idem ibid. In the doubts of faith we must inquire what the Apostles taught And if any shall aske who shall declare what the Apostles taught He answereth Not the African Church as Donatus said Not the Roman Church as the Iesuite will say but the universall Church not as gathered in a generall Synode which â—ft hath erred but the Catholicke Church of Christ dispersed over the world Where then was the Popes Cathedrall voyce This Doctrin was not then hatcht that whatsoever power is extensivè in the whole Church the same is intensivè in the Pope And that it must be a thing taken pro Concesso that iâ— determining doubts of faith the Pope cannot erre Huss opposed the errors of the Church of Rome and therefore it is no new thing to heare his enemies speake evill of him and of his adherents Finally the Iesuite concludeth with a rotten lye that our pedegree is from those rotten Heretickes It is a Brute raised by a Brute as true as the tale of the Britanes from Brute S. Chrysostome in like manner giveth this for a marke of Answer Antichrist and of all spirituall theeves that they come not in by the doore of the Scriptures * Chrys 〈◊〉 in Ioh. 10 For the Scripture saith hee like unto a sure doore doth barre an entrance unto Heretickes safeguarding us in all things that we will and not suffering us to be deceived Whereupon hee concludeth That who so useth not the Scriptures but commeth in otherwise that is betaketh himselfe to an other and an unlawfull way hee is a thâ—efe To this the Iesuit retnrneth no answer he durst not touch it it discovereth him to be a spirituall theefe and a minister of Antichrist and that things unwritten are an other way and therefore an unlawfull way How this mystery of iniquitie wrought when Antichrist Answer came unto his full growth was well observed by the author of the booke de unitate Ecclesiae thought by some to be Waltram Bishop of Naâ—mburg who speaking of the Monkes that for the upholding of Pope Hildebrands faction brought in Schismes and heresies into the Church noteth this specially of them * lib de unitat Eccles that despising the Tradition of God they desired other doctrines and brought in maisteries of humane institution Waltram his invective against Pope Hildebrand is to no Reply pag. 157 purpose
Fathers speaking of the Scriptures as they are Reply p. 168. compared with the writings of men which are but of humane authority say that the Scriptures alone have the prerogative of undoubted truth our Adversaryes give forth that the Fathers hereby doe reduce the certainty of all truth unto the sole Scriptures absolutely 9. As comparisons are odious especially with the Scriptures so this observation is ridiculous we have oft shewed that the Fathers doe give unto the Scriptures not only a coÌ„parative certainty infallibility above the writings of any Doctors whatsoever but likewise do attribute unto them the only assured certainty and the absolute infallibility When S. Peter saith e 2. Pet. 1. 1â— Wee have a more sure word with what doth he coÌ„pare the certainty of the Scriptures only with the writings of the Doctors of the Church No but even with this voyce or unwritten word when it was first spoken This is my welbeloved son Then it was not certaine whether it were the voyce of God or no it might have beene the voyce of an Angell but at that time the writings of the Prophets concerning Christ were more sure because there was more certainty assurance that the Scriptures were the word of God then that this voice was the word of God S. Peters supposed successor holdeth many unwritten Traditions such as God never spake such as the Doctors of the Primitive Church never delivered unto him and all those he would have to be as sure and certaine as Gods written word And suppose the Doctors of the Primitive Church had delivered these Traditions are they therefore as certaine and infallible as the Scripture The Iesuite affirmeth it * Pag 171. if truely figured These Traditions being corroborated by the written attestation of the Saints and holy Doctors this is a warrant of it selfe infallible and undâ—â—bted The Cardinall denyeth it even in this his observation for he granteth us that though the certaintie and infallibilitie of all truth is not to be reduced onely and absolutely unto the Scriptures yet hee holdeth that the Fathers did esteeme the Scriptures to bee more certaine and infallible then the â—ritings of the Doctours of the Church or writings of humane authoritie Here is Manasseh against Ephraim and Ephraim against Manasseh and both against the truth The written attestation of the Doctors is the best authority which the Iesuite can produce for unwritten Traditions thiâ— written attestation is not so certaine infâ—llâ—ble as the Scripture as the Cardinall confesseth then the consequence is sure that unwritten Traditions are not as certaine infallible as the Scripture consequently the certainty infallibility of all doctrine must be reduced only absolutely to the Scripture As for the obedience due unto the commandements of the King given onely by word of mouth whensoever it is proved that God gave necessary commaundements onely by word of mouth which are not written and that the unwritten commandements of the Roman Church are the same wee will give obedience to them 4. When the Fathers disputing with Heretickes doe Reply pag. 168 argue as they say adhominem that is when they urge them out of their owne erroneous principles and provoke them unto the sole authority of the written word our Adversaryes step forth and will have this kinde of arguing to bee universall withall whereas this is the conclusion to bee draweâ— from hence Therefore the Fathers admitted no meane to bee with the Heretickes for tryall of true doctrine but onely the Scriptures For the Heretickes for the most part in the beginning of their disputations would disavâ—w all authoritie of Tradition and of Church save onely that of the Scripture c. Therefore the Fathers to keepe their noses to the grindlestone did onely presse them with Scripture 10. This observation is a very heape of untruths 1. That the Heretickes for the most part in the beginning of their disputations were accustomed to reject Tradition and to flye unto Scripture onely As the Heretickes were many and their opinions different so their practice was diverse the Cardinall cannot prove that tenne of the hundred in the beginning of their disputations did renounce Tradition and onely betooke themselves to Scripture It was rather their practice to alledge Tradition of their owne and never to forsake that fastnesse untill they were beaten out of it They were as earnest pleaders for unwritten Traditions and as great enemies against the Scripture as our Adversaries are or can be And therefore in regard of the first they were stiled f Hieronym l. 2. in Eâ—av c. 3. Deutorotae Tradition-mongers and in regard of the latter they were called g Tertullian de resurrect carâ— Lucifugae Scripturarum owles flying from Scripture 2. That it was an errâ—neous principle in the Heretickes to flye only unto Scripture I reade of the Fathers condemning of Heretickes for flying from Scripture for not understanding the Scriptures for misinterpreting of them but I never read where they were condemned by the Fathers for flying to the Scriptures It is true that the Iewish Cabbalists would reproach those that were given unto the Scriptures with this nickname of Karaim as Roman Traditiâ—n-mâ—ngers call us Scripturiaâ—s but the Fathers never accounted it an error S. Augustine hath cleared this to be no error in coÌ„mending h Aug l 5 cont Donat. c 26. Cyprians appeal unto the Scriptures i Aug. epist 1â—2 this maketh men hereticks saith he nor because they do not contemne but because they do not understand the Scriptures These two untruthes we have * Sect 7. Div. 7 already fully confuted 3. That the Fathers admitted no other meane for tryall of true doctrine with the Heretickes but onely Scripture I will not question the truth of this conclusion because it serveth to our purpose 1. To shew that this is no erroniâ—us principle to flye only â—nto Scripture 2. It overthroweth what the Iesuite affirmed * pag. 153. 156. that the Fathers still produced unwritten Traditions against the Heretickes and that they made Tradition and not Scripture the onely meanes whereby to try true doctrine with Heretickes 3. It manifestly declareth what the Fathers thought of the sufficiencie of Scripture seeing they durst try the points in controversie betweene them and the Heretickes even at their owne weapons and by their owne principle supposing Scripture to be their weapon and their principle As therefore the Fathers dealt with the Heretickes pressing them onely with Scripture so might wee deale with you but we have beene content to bee tryed both by the Scripture and by the Tradition of the Church delivered by the mouth not onely of twelue but also of CCCXVIII Fathers giving their verdict against you 5. When the Fathers doe dispute of a custome or question Reply pag. 169 not yet determined by the Church and consequently Tradition cannot be alleadged for the same then the Fathers provoke their Adversaryes unto Scripture onely And
Scripture and in the Fathers And the generall sense of Traditio with the Latines of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 with the Greeke of Cabbala or Masoreth with the Hebrewes is the same namely a Delivery or any thing delivered aswell by l â— Thâ—â— â— 15. Epistle as by word of mouth The word Tradition is taken aswell for the manner of delivery which is Traditio activa as for the matter delivered which is Traditio passiva And therefore lest the Iesuite who is well skill'd in the practise of equivocation should equivocate with the word Tradition and so prove Quid pro Quo the manner of deliverie for the matter delivered the Answere sheweth him That wee admit modum tradendi the Answer manner of delivery Wee willingly acknowledge that the word of God which by some of the Apostles was set downe in writing was both by themselves and others of their fellow-labourers delivered by word of mouth and that the Church in succeeding ages was bound not onely to preserve those sacred writings coÌ„mitted to her trust but also to deliver unto her children vivâ voce the forme of wholesome words contained therin Here he might have seene that we admit modum tradâ—ndi the manner of delivery both by the Apostles and by the Church 1. We beleive the preaching of the Apostles to be the undoubted word of God aswell as their writing so that it is m Ridiculum est quod nemini est dubium probare Mare Tul pro Quint. a ridiculous thing in the Iesuite to prove that which no man doubteth He alledgeth the Fathers as * Iren. pag. 118 Irenaeus * Euscb pag. 120. Eusebius many more to prove that the Apostles preached before they wrote that their preaching is to be beleived was effectual to save soulâ—s aswell as their writing In this he shrinketh from the Question which is not whether the Apostles preached before they wrote whether their preaching is to be beleived but thâ—â— he should frame the QuestioÌ„ whether the Apostles in their preaching delivered such points of faith or doctrines of salvation as are not contained in the Scriptures 2. As the preaching of the Apostles is called a Tradition so is their delivery of the Scriptures of divers doctrines contained in them called a Tradition being delivered unto the Church by writing n Traditum est nobis quod sit unus Deus una spes una sides c. August de baptism l. 5. c. â—6 It is dell vered unto us saith S. August in that there is one God one hope one faith c. As this kinde of Tradition commeth not within the compasse of this controversie so these Fathers * Irenaeus pag. 125. Irâ—naus * Euseb pag. 109. 120 Eusebius and sundry others are impertinently produced by the Iesuites who ascribe the word Tradition unto Scripture and unto written Doctrines In this the Iesuite shrinketh againe from the Question which is not whether the Scripture may be called a Traâ—â—tion but whether all things necessary for our salvation be written in this Tradition Unto these two I may adde a third kinde of active Tradition that is the delivery by action or conversation which I may call a Practicall Tradition S. Chrysostome expounding these words b 2. Thess 3. 6. Withdraw your selves from every brother that walketh disorderly and not after the Tradition which he received of no. giveth this sense of them p 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Chrysost in 2. Thes c. 3. He meaneth the Tradition which is according unto workes This kind of Tradition belongeth not to our purpose and to little purpose doth the Iesuite bring in * Iuseb pag. 162. Eusebius who calleth the practise of the Apostles a Tradition In this againe the Iesuite shrinketh from the Question which is not whether the practise of the Apostles may be called a Tradition but whether in their practise of Piety they observed any holy duties necessary for our salvation which are not contained in the Scriptures either expressely or by consequence We likewise admit the active Tradition of the Church as 1. Her preserving and delivery of the written word unto her children in succeeding ages not as the meanes whereby the Scripture is made canonical yet as one good meanes though not as the onely meanes whereby a man may bee perswaded that it is canonicall And the graunting of this is a sufficient answer to a deale of confused stuffe alledged by the Iesuite in his 4. Section 2. Her delivery vivâ voce of the forme of wholesome words and of such Doctrines as are either expressely contained in the Scriptures or by sound inference may be deduced from them S. q Basil de Fide Basil was sparing to use such words as are not contained in Scripture but the Pontificall Romanists spare not to bring in such doctrines as are not contained in it For words we say with Hilarie words r Nomen nihâ—â— habeteriminiâ— quod non perturbat sensum religionis Hilar de Synod cont Arian are not to be blamed which disturbe not the sense of Religion All things are not delivered 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 verbatim in the Scriptures I reade not the words Essence Persons Vnbegotten Coessentiall yet we doe lawfully use them All Doctrines are not formally laide downe in them the Apostles Creed is not totidem verbis written in them yet they containe grounds principles by which all doctrines may be tryed and from which all divine conclusions may be drawne And those conclusions which by sound inference are gathered out of the Scriptures by the opinion of Å¿ Greg Nazian l. 5. de Theolog Gregorie Nazian are all one with the Scripture And to this t Stapleton relect fidei controv 5. q. 5. ar 1 Stapleton consenteth By this kinde of Tradition wee are taught many points of saith as these Fathers prove which the Iesuite alledgeth abundantly and impertinently By * Athanas pag. 140. Athanasius and * Epiph pag. 145. Epiphanius That the Father is unbegotten By * Athanas pag. 140. Athanasius and * August pag. 155. Augustine That the Son is consubstantiall with the Father By * Basil pag. 150. Basil and * Aug. pag. 119 Augustine That the holy Ghost is to be adored By * Origen pag. 126. Origen and * August pag. 118. 119. 126 Augustine That Children must be baptized By Augustine That the baptised by Heretickes must not be rebaptised He alone is alledged for this point but yet for want of company he is so * Augustin pag. 116. 116. 146. 148. Ideâ—â— pag. 118. 147 Idem pag. 119. 148. pag. 11â— oft brought in still singing the same song that the musick must needes be tedious to the hearer and the quotations troublesome to the reader The Iesuite againe shrinketh from the state of the Question in alledging these Fathers as Patrons of a Tradition which we defend The Question
is not this ad rem Is not this to speake to the purpose He may sooner cough up his heart then prove the contrary And though some things were delivered by the Apostles without writing yet their authority may be lesse then the authority of the things they committed to writing not because writing giveth authority but because the authority may arise from the matter delivered and from the intention of the deliverer 1. From the matter delivered unwritten rituall Traditions may be of the same authority with written rituall Traditions which are mutable and changeable but no man of understanding will say that they are of the same authority with written doctrinall Traditions which are immutable and unchangeable 2. From the intention of the deliverer Those things which the Apostles intended should be universall and perpetuall were written by them but those things which they intended should be transient and particular for the most part they were delivered by word of mouth so that their intention was to deliver such things as befitting those timâ—s and places and not by them to make an addition to the written word as it were defective nor to make them of equall authority with the written word In leagues between Prince Prince in covenants between man and man the Articles are committed unto writing God hath entred into a covenant with man and hath made choise to deliver it by writing and therefore we give supreme authority to the written word above all things unwritten whatsoever Yet those things which by sound inference are deduced from the Scriptures have the same authority with the Scriptures But first you have no meanes to know which is a sound inference Reply pag. 116 6. Sir I tell you that you are a lyar and I will prove it by a sound inference It was of olde accounted an argument sound both in matter and forme d Thom. Walâ—ing Histor Richâ—â— 2â— If a Fryar then a lyar This Argument is as sound If a Iesuite then a lyar The inference is sound because e Psal 116. 11. All men are lyars This is a surer inference then the Popes supremacie or the corporall presence the first depending upon many false suppositions and the second upon many doubtful intentions Such I confesse is the depth of Scripture that the wit of man is not able to sounde it and to find out all the sound inferences that may be deduced from it Such is the depth of Scripture saith S. Augustine f Tanta est Christianarum literarum profunditas ut iâ— eis quotid se proficerem sieas solas ab in cunte aetaâ—e usque ad decrepitam senectuâ—em coâ—areâ— addiscere August Ep. 3â— that still I may learne more out of it although I should studio nothing but it all the dayes of my life But to say that we have no meanes to know which is a sound inference out of it is to deny that we have Wit or any spirituall understanding This is a most witlesse cavill and it seemeth that the Iesuite hath no more braines then a bird-boult 2. We have the expresse warrant of the Scripture approving Reply unwritten Traditions And so the Scripture condemneth unwritten Traditions and I beleive when we come to examine your Traditions we shall find them more like those which are condemned then those which are commended by the Scripture 3. We are able to prove all such Traditions as the Catholick Reply Church holdeth for Apostolicall to bee doctrines deduced by sound inference from the Scripture And so are we but what is that to Popish Traditions which were never held by the Catholick Church are not Apostolicall and are no doctrines deduced by sound inference from the Scripture Wee have long desired to see the catalogue of unwritten Traditions we presse you and defye you to set it out This puny Iesuite knoweth not what is an unwritten Tradition What a babling wittall is this He undertaketh to prove All unwritten Traditions to be doctrines deduced by sound inference from the Scripture If he doe not prove this he is a lyar in grain If he doe prove this then he over-throweth unwritten Traditions for doctrines deduced by sound inference from Scripture are not unwritten Traditions but even all one with the Scripture it selfe I marvaile not at the dunsary of this Ignoramus in calling doctrines deduced by sound inference from Scripture unwritten Traditions seeing in * pag. 145. an other place hee calleth the Scripture it selfe an unwritten Tradition Sr. Ignaro learne to speake English before you write againe in divinity But let us here his sound inference Because the Scripture commandeth us to obey the Church A sound inference to defend Iewish Traditions aswell as Popish because the Church among them was to be obeyed Such an inference may passe for current among your Proselytes who must beleive whatsoever you prate or prattle This is a sound of an inference but no sound inference 1. Because the Romish Priests and Prelates who require this audience and obedience are not a true Church but upstart Imposters Tradition-mongers such the Scripture commandeth us not to obey 2. Though they were a true Church yet they are not the Catholicke Church of which Mr Dullman speaketh 3. Because the Traditions which you defend crosse both the veritie and perfection of the sacred Scripture And therefore they are no doctrines deduced by sound inference from the Scripture for which cause wee set our selves against them Then you set your selfe against no body Reply but combat with your owne shadow frameing a phantasticall Adversary for such Traditions as we defend are farre from crossing the veritie or perfection of the Scripture 7. The first article of Ignatius Loiola his lame confession is this g Credo Scripturam esse doctrinam imperfectam mutilam et mancam Hospin de orig Iesuit I beleeve that the Scripture is an imperfect lame and maimed doctrine not all that a Christian is bound to beleeve but onely h Maxima pars coâ—tinetur in Scripturis Andrad orthodox Explicat a â— The greatest part is contained in the Scriptures saith Andradius i Multo pars maxima Euangelij pervenit ad nos traditioneâ— perexigua est literis mandata Hosius confess Petrocovâ—â— 9 de Traditionibus The farre greater part of the Gospell we have by Tradition very little is committed unto writing thus writeth Hosius the Cardinall How oft hath this Sir Oblivious denyed the perfectiâ— of Scripture even in points of greatest moment g pag. 126. That it cannot be proved by Scripture that the Father is unbegotten and that the Son is consubstantiall with the Father that * pag. 118. The holy Ghost is to bee worshipped He likewise affirmeth * pag. 132. That all the Councel of God which the Minister is to deliver is not written And * pag. 165. That the Scripture hath sufficiencie to declare some but not all the Articles of faith And if this defect must
coâ—sen Euan l. 1. c. ult They were commanded to write saith S. Augustine g Iren. l. 3. c. 1. They wrote the Scriptures by the will of God saith Irenaus h Christus voluit scribi Euangelium Tâ—eoph praefat in Mat. Christ would have them to write the Gospell saith Theophylast And is not his will a sufficient command Inspiration i 2. Tim. 3. 16. 2 Pet. 1. 21. whereby they wrote the Scriptures is an internall command Hee sent them to preach his faith and to teach all nations Doth this exclude writing May not a man preach teach by writing The Apostles did k Rom 16 26. preach they did l 2. Thess 2. 15. 2. Tim. 3. 17 teach by their Epistles Clemens Alexandrinus Reply pag. 117 in this spake truly m 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Clem. Alex. Strom. l. 1. Preaching is truly an Angelâ—call Scieâ—câ— in some sort and very profitable both wayes whether it â—â— by the hand or by the tongue Tertullian telleth us how the Apostles preached n Tum vivâ quod aiunt voce tum per Epistolas postea Tertul de praescrip c. 21 Aswell by word of mouth as they say as afterwards by Epistles So that preaching and teaching may be diverse wayes by writing as the Apostles preach by their Epistles by practise as Christ preached in his actions which are all for our instruction and not onely by word of mouth Wee have a commandement to heare his holy word and faith commeth by hearing but none can shew I trow where we are obliged to reade or where any commandement is given to propound the word of God to be read 3. It seemeth the Iesuite is more skilfull in Machiavel then in the Bible for if he had ever read it over and remembred Reply pag. 119 what he read he would never avouch this so confidently when as he may reade o Hab. 2. 2. He that runneth may reade it p Ioh 5. 39. Search the Scriptures q Luc. 10. 26. How readest thou r Rom. 15. 4. Whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning Å¿ 2. Cor. â— 13 We write no other things unto you then what you read t Col. 3. 16 Lâ—t the word of God dwâ—ll plentifully in you Upon which place S. Chrysostome observeth this u 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Chry in Col. c. 3 ho. 9. Harken as many as are and are married have children hâ—w he commaundeth them specially to know the Scriptures Timothy himselfe is commanded to reade and to x 1. Tim. 4. 13. Attend upon reading Neither doth hearing of the word exclude reading of the same seeing it may be heard by reading aswell as by preaching y Revel 1 3. Blessed are they that reade and they that heare z Luc. 16. 29. Moses and the Prophets must be heard They are dead but yet when their writings are read then they are heard Certaine it is that the Primitive Church did abound in Reply pag. 118 faith and godlinesse for many yeares before the writings of the new Testament were perfected even by the meanes of unwritten doctrine 4. This is as certaine as all the rest It was not many yeares before the New Testament was perfected before it was perfected the Church had those Bookes of it which were first penned before any were penned the Church had the Olde Testament which Christ commaunded should be a Ioh. 5. 39. searched And the Bereans were commended for b Act. 17. 11. searching into it The Primitive Church did not continue in faith and godlinesse by the meanes of unwritten doctrine for the doctrine taught by the Apostles was first written in the c Rom. 16. 26. Old Testament and after in the New although it may be said to be unwritten in regard of the manner of delivery of it by the Apostles at the first vivâ voce Howsoever the Primitive Church did yet the Church in succeeding ages stood in need of a written word Children at first are taught many things without bookes yet afterwards they stand in need of bookes for their better learning The Primitive Church might doe well enough without Scripture during the life of the Apostles whose preaching was as infallible as their writing yet the Church in succeeding ages could not doe so well without Scripture because no man living since the Apostles had hath or ever shall have the same gifts power authority to deliver points of faith whose words shall be Gospel as the Apostles had And because writing is the best means to preserve doctrine delivered by word of mouth d Respectâ— nostri commodius utilius per Scripturam corleâ—â—em doctrinam à corruptione oblivione interitu conservari quam absque Scriptuâ—â— Gretzer de sens Bellarâ— l. 4. â— 4. The heavenly doctrine saith Gretzer in respect of us is better preserved from corruption oblivion and decay by writing then without writing S. Chrysostome teacheth us this 1. That the singular gifts which the Apostles had might well serve for these times instead of Scripture 2. That the after-times stood in need of Scripture And then hee concludeth e Extremae esse omninò dementiae post quam co redacti sumus ut Scriptis indigeamus â—e secundo quidem hoc remedio ad salntem nostram uti item magni esse criminis per illud auxilium nolle proficere sed quasi fruâ—â—â—à ac vanè posita scripta despicere chrysost hom 1. in Mat. It is the extremity of madnesse now that wee stand in need of Scripture not to use this excellent helpe for our salvation and that it is the greatest fault that can be not to profite by that helpe but to despise it as written in vaine and to no purpose This fit of frensie hath intoxicated the Iesuites braine hee hath accounted the Scripture needlesse and written in vaine Possevine hath written a whole Chapter f Possev Bibliothec select l. 2 c. 16. De necessitate Scripturarum S. Iude thought it needfull g Iude vers 3 To write to the Saints h Luke 1. 3. It seemed good to S. Luke to write his Gospell to prevent false rumours And S. Paul thought it i Philip. 3. 1. The surest way for the Philippians to write unto them If it were needefull good and the surest way then it is now more needefull to have the written word of the Apostles to prevent your false Traditions fathered upon them And * Iren. l. 2. c. â— Irenaeus doth witnesse that in his dayes many nations lived Christianly without the use of the written word onely by the guide of Apostolicall Traditions Sir I must tell you that if you goe on to alleadge the Fathers as you beginne you will gaine little credite by it In your first testimony you cite a counterfeite In your second you omit the place In your third Reply which is this you mistake the * l. 2. c. 3.
for l. 3. c. 4. place I subscribe to what Irenaeus saith And I beleeve that by Apostolicall Tradition that is the preaching of the word many nations were converted to the faith of Christ not by unwritten doctrines but by delivering written doctrines in an unwritten manner Irenaeus sheweth k Iren. l. 3. c. 1. First that the Apostles preached the Gospell and that afterward they delivered the same unto us in writing The same things the Pastours of the Church who might have the written word although the persons taught had it not delivered unto the People Irenaeus sheweth what those things were which were l Iren. l. 3. c. 4. written in their hearts without inke or letters They did beleive m In unum Deum sabricatorem coeli terrae omnium quae in eis sunt per Christâ—â—â— Iesum Dei filium c. Iren. ibid. In one God maker of heaven and of earth and of all things in them by Iesus Christ the Sonne of God c. These were the Traditions which they beleived and if any would have taught them otherwise they * Iren. ibid. would have stopped their eares as Irenaeus sheweth and have fled from them as they would from you and from your unwritten Traditions * Iren. l. 3. c. 4. Irenaus demandeth How should we dâ—e if the Apostles had written nothing at all' must wee not then follow the rule Reply pag. 118. of Tradition delivered unto them to whom the Apostles committed the charge of the Churches 5. We reject not this kinde of Tradition which is the succession of true doctrine in the Church And what shall we doe seeing the Apostles have written Is it not our dutie to follow the rule of Tradition delivered in their writings and not onely to take that course now that the Apostles have written which Irenaeus prescribeth if the Apostles had not written What if the Scripture should be consumed so that not one Reply Coppie thereof should be extant which is possible And what if a man had lost the true sense and meaâ—ing of the Scripture how shall he finde it out must he not as Irenaeus saith Follow the order of Tradition delivered by the Apostles unto those unto whom they committed the Churches The 1. hypothesis is absurd and impossible The Sunne may aswell be pulled out of the heavens and the skyes fall as the Scripture perish n Staplet coâ—t Whiâ—ak de authorit Script l. â— c. 1. s â— If it should GOD himselfe must faile in his providence saith Stapleton The 2. hypothesis is possible A man may lâ—se tâ—e true meaning of the Scripture and the order of Tradition delivered by the Apostles is one but not the onely meanes to finde it out and how shall a man finde out this order of Tradition in the originall of it better then by the Scripture it selfe So that when all is done the Scripture is the best interpreter of it selfe o Legitima sine periculo est expositio scripturae secundum ipsas scripturas Iren. l. 4. c 63. The exposition of Scripture according to the Scriptures themselves is the most surest saith Irenaeus The Apostles have written their writings are preserved the true meaning of them is well knowne Yet we reject not this meanes but doe follow the order of Tradition delivered by the Apostles as long as wee follow their writings for both by preaching and by writing they taught the same Popish Traditions are not of this order they were never taught by the Apostles nor by them to whom the Apostles committed the care of the Churches but onely of old by Heretickes and of late by an Anti christian faction Moreover S. Augustine teacheth us that there be many Reply pag. 118 points of faith for which wee have no written word * Aug. epist 128 In those things of which the holy Scripture saith nothing what course are wee to holde that which is used by the Church throughout all the world is to bee observed saith S. Augustine and it would be insolent madnesse to dispute against the same 6. The Iesuite mistaketh both the * Epist 128 for 118. place the point S. Augustine speaketh not of points of faith at all but onely of some rituall points or customes then in use as of the use of holy dayes of receiving the Eucharist fasting and the like These come not within the compasse of this controversie And as it is madnesse to dispute against these things so it is litle better in him then madnesse to dispute about these things and to call these things points of faith For * Aug. de bap cont Donatist l. 4. c. 24. whatsoever the Church universall doth holde if it Reply be not found or dained by some Councell but hath been alwayes in use it is most justly beleeved to bee a Tradition of none other but of the very Apostles themselves S. Augustine treateth in this place of the Baptisme of Children and calleth it Traditum apostolicâ autheritate A thing delivered by Apostolicall authoritie or an Apostolicall Tradition And are not written doctrines delivered by Apostolicall authority S. Augustine did not account Baptisme of Children to be an unwritten Tradition as appeareth by the arguments taken out of the Scriptures which he useth wee neede not goe farther then this Chapter to finde one p Si quisquam hac in re authoritatem quaerat divinam c veraciter conjicere possumus quid valeat in parvulis baptismi Sacramentum ex circumcisione carnis quam prior populus accepit Augus ibidem If any man saith he desire divine authority in this point we may truely conjecture how powerfull in Children the Sacrament of Baptisme is by the circumcision of the flesh which the Iewes received And this is accounted by q Bellarm. l. 1. de Baptism c. 1 Bellarmine a strong argument to confirme this point In the next testimony S. Augustine writing of the custome or practise of not rebaptising those that have been baptised by Heretickes so that they have beene baptised in the name of the Trinity saith r Quam consueâ—â—dinem credo ex Apostolicâ— Traditione venientem Aug de baptism cont Donat. l. 2. c. 7. Which custome I beleeve came from Apostolicall Tradition * Aug. ibid Even as many other things are not found in the writings of the Apostles nor in the Councels of following ages yet because they are held by the whole Church they are beleeved to have beene delivered and commended by the said Apostles It is a weake argument drawne from custome to Articles of faith from practise to the doctrine of the Sacraments Wee read nothing for point of practise whether those that have beene baptized by Heretickes have beene rebaptized or no Yet the doctrine in this point is sufficiently taught in Scripture We beleeve it Å¿ Propter folidissima manifestâ—ssrâ—â— scripturarum fundamentâ— et testimonia Tiâ—â—â—aâ— defens Triden ad articul de
Scriptures and the Fathers and finde this for truth that Christ and his Apostles taught no unwritten Traditions If they did so what is this to the purpose unlesse the Iesuite can proove that the unwritten Traditions of the Romane Church are the same which Christ and his Apostles delivered They pretend that they are so so they doe in their miracles which are but coozening and juggling trickes of Leiger de maine so they doe in their reliques which are but grand impostures as the Angell Gabriels feathers our Ladyes smocke S. Peters chayne and the like these I beleeve are as true reliques from them as their Traditions are the same which Christ and his Apostles taught And as they are so is their authoritie which is the subject of his next Section wherein wee are to examine SECT III. VVhether unwritten Traditions are of equall authoritie with the written word 1. NOne but a Non ens would say that a Non ens can be of equall authority with the written word when as Bellarmine confesseth that a Bellarm. de â—erâ—o Dei l. 4. c. â— All Traditions are not of equall authority among themselves but without any distinction whatsoever this Iesuite would have them all to be of the same authority among themselves and of the same authority with the written word and the truth is they are no more worthy to be compared with the written word then b Ier. 13. 28. chaffe with wheat then drosse with c Is 1. â—2 silver The Iesuite hath already granted this * pag. 116. That the rites and ordinances of the Church are grounded only upon humane right and now he contradicteth the same that they are of divine right even equall with the written word and for this opinion he Reply p. 120. boasteth of Plaine Scripture and the uniforme consent of ancient Fathers It is no new thing to heare the enemies of the truth clayming the Scripture and the Fathers to be theirs after the same manner the Heretickes boasted that d 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Euseb l. 5. hist c. 27. The Fathers and the Apostles held taught the same things which they said First let us heare his plaine Scripture * â— Thes â— 15. Therefore brethren stand fast and hold the Traditions which you have beene taught whether by word or by our Epistle This Text is no lesse then ten times alledged by him and once for all I returne this Answer to it Those Traditions are Reply pag. 121. written and not unwritten Doctrines S. Paul declareth his continuall practise e Act. 26. 22. Hee witnessed both to small and great and therefore to the Thessalonians none other things then those which Moses and the Prophets did say His doctrine delivered at Thessalonica was taken f Act. 17. 2. out of the Scriptures And suppose it was not written in the Olde Testament yet it might be written in the New by himselfe or by some other of the Apostles What he taught the Philippians by word of mouth the g Philip. 3. 1. same things he wrote afterwards unto them in his Epistle And unto the Thessalonians he wrote those things h 2. Thess 2. 5. which he first told them and i 2. Thess 3. 10. which he first commanded them The word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 used by the Apostle signifieth aswell both as whether and it is not onely disjunctive but very k 1. Cor. â—1â— 1â— c. 15. 11. Coloss 1. 20 Rom. 14. 8. oft conjunctive By which the meaning of the Apostle is declared to be this Holde fast the Traditions or the doctrines which have beene taught you both by word of mouth by Epistle The matter taught was the same although the manner of teaching was different both by word of mouth and by Epistle S. Ambrose expoundeth it thus l In Traditione Evangelij standum ac perseverandum monet Ambros in 2. Thess He admonisheth them to stand to persevere in the Tradition of the Gospell And Gretzer your Great Sire defending Bellarmine defendeth this interpretation that it might be the same doctrine which S. Paul delivered by word of mouth and by Epistle and giveth this instance for it m Sicut eadem fides quae confirmata olim fuit per Circumcisionem Pascha quae nuÌ„c coÌ„firmatur per Baptismum Coenam Gretz defens Bellarm. l. 4. c. 5 Even as it was the same faith which was formerly confirmed by Circumcision and the Passeover which is now confirmed by Baptisme and the Lords Supper It is most manifest by the precedent words that the Apostle speaketh of such Traditions as helpe to keepe out u 2. Thess 2. 3. The man of sinne the sonne of perdition It cannot then be that he should speake of unwritten Traditions because Popish Traditions are the onely key to let him in 2. To prove the uniforme consent of the Fathers he first alledgeth S. Chrysostome * Chrysost in â— Thess By this saying of S. Paul it is manifest saith S. Chrysostome that the Apostles did not Reply pag. 121. deliver all things by their Epistle but that they delivered many things without writing which are as worthie to be beleeved as those things which they left written We yeeld unto this that the Apostles have not delivered all things by writing And I will graunt more unto the Iesuite that the Apostles have not delivered all things by Epistle or by word of mouth which are and may be observed in the Church as all the rites and ceremonies of it and those are the things of which S. Chrysostome speaketh of things indifferent Concerning necessary things writing upon the same Chapter these are his words o 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Chrysost hom 3 in 2. Thes â— All things are cleare and true which are in the holy Scriptures all necessary things are manifest But that those things which are not necessary and are delivered without writing should be as worthy of faith as those things which are written this is one of his many hyperbolicall speeches it is rather a flourish of his Rhetoricke then a truth in Divinity S. Basil saith * Basil de Spirit Sanct. c. 29. I hold it to be an Apostolicall doctrine that Reply we adhere unto unwritten Traditions in proofe whereof he alleadgeth Scripture The Author is suspected but I passe by that for the present I hold with the Author that it is fit to yeeld unto such unwritten Traditions as he writeth of and those are onely rituall and not doctrinall Unto these we doe yeeld not as unto the word of God which is of divine power and abideth for ever but as to the Lawes of men which are of humane right and mutable according unto time place And in proofe of the lawfull use of those we oft cite Scripture as that Author doth In the next place he alledgeth * That of Epiphan is answered Sect. 2d. Divis 10. lit â— S. Hierome
on both sides and yet these and many such things were defended by some of the Fathers 2. We confesse that the Fathers are Patrons of Traditions of such Traditions as we allowed in the * Sect. 1. Diâ—is 4. stateing of the Question and not of Popish Traditions for all our Writers have disputed by the testimonies of the Fathers against unwritten doctrinall Traditions learned Whitaker shall answere for himselfe and for all the rest c Conâ—edimus defensas esse Traditiones à Patribâ—â— sed â—â— modo â—uod dictumest at quod aiâ— Patres non oppugnare illud falâ—um est Whâ—â—akeâ— controvers 1. de verbo Del non scâ—â—pto q. 6. c. 1â— Wee confesse that the Fathers defended Traditions but they were such Traditions as we defend But whereas you say that the Fathers did not oppugne Traditions it is false What now may we thinke of the Iesuite who falsely chargeth both the Fathers and our Writers He verifieth the saying The Monke of all men and the Iesuite above all Monkes is most impudent This babling prater or prating babler may bragge that He hath the consistorie of Antiquitie and that we are The babling upstarts Wee cannot tame his tongue from rayling for as he observeth out of S. Hilary * Hilar. de Triâ—iâ— l 3. Desperation bringeth alwayes with it selfe an unbridled boldnesse and professed impietie leâ—peth beyond the bounds of all shame This is true of him although S. Hilary hath no such words in that booke He deserveth the whetstone for his impudent lying and the cucking-stoole for his shamelesse scoulding And for his excusing of the most reverend Primate to those of his owne side and to the outlandish Doctours hee hath more need to excuse himselfe 1. To those of his owne side who stand for the perfection sufficiencie and prerogative of the sacred Scripture d Scriptura sufficleuter continet doctrinam necessariaâ—â— viatori-Scotus in prolog in 1. sentent â— â— The Scripture saith Scotus sufficiently containeth the doctrine necessary for him that is in his trauell e Sacra Scripturâ— est regula fidei cui nec addere nec subtrahere licet Aquin 〈…〉 ar 9. The holy Scripture saith Aquinas is the rule of faith to which we must not adde and from which we must not substract f Loquitur Deus in Scripturis it a copiose quod non oportet Deum iterum loqui nobis aliquod necessarium 〈◊〉 habeantur Aâ—ton part â— 3. tiâ— 1â— c. 3. God speaketh in the Scripture saith Antoninus and speaketh so copiously that he need not speake againe unto us any thing that is necessary seeing all such things are in the Scriptures Thus God hath made the g Ioh. 1. 5. light tâ— shine in darkenes And how can the Iesuite reconcile himselfe unto these men who denyeth that which they affirme 2. To all the outlandish Doctors who preferreth himselfe all his Countreymen before all other writers of what Countrey soever That they are partakers of that benigne and blessed influence which it pleaseth the heavens to distill into the Irish disposition This is good Divinity The heavens distill this influence of grace The outlandish Doctors are beholding unto him for his good opinion of them in that Ireland or the Irish disposition is made partaker of this influence before all other Countreyes and Countreymen whatsoever This is to make all other places and persons like h â— Sam. 1 21. The mountaines of Gilboa upon which there falleth neither dew nor raine And only Ireland to be like the Reply pag. 112. 1â—3 hill of i Psal 133. â— Hermon the dew whereof watereth other hills And how shall we excuse him in these things 1 Be pleased to remember that he left his native soyle and wenâ— over seas to write this booke by means whereof he leâ—t his wits behinde him and deprived himselfe of this blessed influence if he had remained at home he might perhaps have received some of this benigne influence which it pleaseth the heavens to distill upon his native Climate 2. That those of his owne side speake of the susticiency of Scripture in things necessary in doctrines of salvation but he denyeth the sufficiency of Scripture in rituall points which are the Traditions which he defendeth this will appeare in the examining of his next Section which is SECT IIII. Of the nature and quality of unwritten Traditions 1. THe subject of this and of the former Section is the same and therefore I wil answere the Iesuite as S. Augustine did Iulian upon the like occasion a Replicas quae superiore disputatione consumpta â—unt August cont Iulian. l. 4. c. 18 Thou replyest those things which are already coÌ„futed We * Sect. 2. D. 1. have answered the argument drawne froÌ„ the infallibility authority of the Church yet here againe the Iesuite reneweth it The Catholick Church cannot erre and therefore whatsoever she delivereth Reply p. 1â—4 as a point of faith or an interpretation of any obscure passage of Scripture we must beleeve it as fire as that S. Iohns Gospell is Scripture Sir you reckon without your Hoaste for the Catholicke Church never taught unwritten Traditions And according to your own sayings and tenents unwritten Traditions were of no authority for the first 300. yeares for if it be the Catholicke Church that must give authority to an unwritten Tradition and if the iudgement of the Catholicke Church could not then be heard but in a generall Councell and if there were no generall Councell untill about 300. yeares after Christ what nature or quality what credit or authority had unwritten Traditions untill that time Traditions likewise which are particular not observed by the Catholicke Church but onely in some Churches which by your doctrine are parcels of the unwritten wordâ— must needs want their authoritie because they are not delivered by the judgement of the Catholicke Church Neither is any Church on earth so infallible as that it cannot erre in delivery of a Tradition or exposition of an obscure passage of Scripture The Church which hee meaneth hath erred in many foolish and ridiculous expositions What shall we thinke of that exposition which is so famous among the Franciscans upon this text Revel 7. 2. From the East that is b Ab ortu solis id est decivitaâ—ate Assissij in Oriente posita asceâ—dit Angelus id est Franciscus puritate sanctitate Angelis consiâ—oilis cum signo Dei vivi id est cum stigmatibus Iesu Christi conformit Francis l. 1. from the city Assissium which is in the East the Angell ascended that is Francis like unto the Angels in purity and sanctitie with the Seale of the living God that is with the wounds of Iesus Christ Is this exposition as true as S. Iohns Gospell Besides the testimonie of the Church I have diverse arguments to perswade me that S. Iohns Gospell is canonicall the testimony of the Church is but one argument and such an one
as may sometime deceive a man and therefore though the exposition be true yet how can I be as sure that it is true as I am that S. Iohns Gospell is canonicall I like better of that saying of Marsilius c Dict a Christi five Dei non vera sunt causaliter â—o quod â—iâ—dem testificatur Ecclesia Catholica vero testimonio sed testimonium Ecclesiae causaliter verum est dum dicit dicta christi vera propteâ— veâ—tatem dictorum christi Marsil Desensor pacis part 2. cap. 19. The words of Christ or of God are not therefore made true because the Catholicks Church by a true testimony giveth her testimony unto them but the testimony of the Church is therefore true when shee speaketh the true words of Christ because of the truth of Christs words And as S. Augustine said * August cont epist fundament c. 5. That hee beleevea the Gospell Reply pag. 114. by the authority of the Church so are we to beleeve the Traditions which the Church propoundeth unto us as the word of God 2. I wish our Adversary to consider two things which make the meaning of S. Augustine most evident 1. That S. Augustine speaketh of the primitive Church d Augustinus ibidem Ecclesiam sumit proâ— primitivâ— congregatione fidelium qui Christum viderunt audieruÌ„t sui testes sueruÌ„t Gerson de vitâ spirit lect 2 dâ— S. Augustine saith Gerson in that place taketh the Church for the primitive congregation of the faithfull who did see heare and were witnâ—sses of Christ What is this to the now Roman Church Have you the same power and authority which that Church had Your own Driedo telleth you no. e Ecclesia primitiva propter collegium Apostolorum majoris erat gratiae majorisque authoritatis quam Ecclesia quaenunc est Driedo de dogma l. â— c. 4. The primitive church by reason of the colledge of the apostles was of greater grace and of greater authority then the Church which now is If the Iesuite speake of the Traditions delivered by that Church we refuse them not let him prove this or that to be a Tradition delivered by the Apostles and we will beleeve it but if he speake of the now Roman Church his argument is of no force and as S. Augustine beleeved not the Gospell by the authority of that Church so wee will not beleeve the Traditions taught by her 2. That this was the occasion why he alledged the authority of the Church S. Augustine had beene for nine yeares a Manichee and now having to deale with the Manichees to convert them hee propoundeth unto them the authoritie of the Church to move them even as in the time of his heresie it moved him This he speaketh of the time past I had not beleeved the Gospell if the authority of the Church had not moved me But afterward being converted and made a Bishop he maketh a better confession saying f I am credere coeperam nullo modo te fuisse tributurum tam excellen tem illi scripturae per omnes jam terras authoritatem nisi per ipsam tibi credi per ipsam te quaeri voluâ—sses Aug. confess l. â— c. 5. Now I began to beleeve that thou wouldest not have given so excellent authoritie unto the Scripture it selfe â—ver the whole world but that by it thou wouldest be beleeved and by it thou wouldest be sought This is all that can be gathered out of S. Augustine that the Church is a good motive to perswade men to beleeve the word of God and not that it is such a Doctor that can give such lawes as shal be equall with the word of God S. Augustine confesseth that he had an other motive to perswade him to beleeve besides the authoritie of the Church g Se Carthagine motum esse disputatione cujusdam Elpidij cui Manichâ—i imbeâ—illa responsione restiterint August confess l. 5. c 11. Being at Carthage he was moved to beleeve by the disputation of one Elpidius whose arguments the Manichees were not able to answere But every mover is not a Law-giver h 1. Pet. 3. 1. The honest conversation of the wife may move the husband to beleeve must he therefore beleeve whatsoever she shall say I may aswell inferre thus the testimonie of the Iewes moveth us to beleeve the old Testament therefore we must beleeve their Cabbala their Masoreth and all their unwritten Traditions We are willing to i Math. 22. 21. give unto Cesar the things which are Cesars and unto God the things which are Gods and therefore wee give unto the Church the ministery to allure us and to move us to beleeve the word of God and to the Scripture the dignity and authority to be the onely word of God If the Church were bound not onely to preserve the sacred Reply pag 124 writings but also to deliver the forme of wholesome doctrine contained in them why should she not be likewise bound to preserve the sacred Traditions and to deliver the forme of wholesome doctrine in them contained And why should not we receive them upon her credit 3. If unwritten Traditions had beene committed to her trust there is no doubt but that she ought to preserve them and to deliver them as shee received them to keepe nothing backe but to deliver the whole counsell of God and to teach the forme of wholesome doctrine whether written or unwritten but unwritten Traditions are no wholesome doctrine they are part of that poysonous potion that bewitching doctrine which is in the golden cup of that glorious Religion for outward shew of the Scarlet coloured beast of Rome And though it were true that the Church received unwritten Traditions and that she is bound to teach them yet how can I be assured that this or that is a true Tradition as sure as I am of any written article of my faith That Christ dyed I beleive because the Scripture saith it that this is a Tradition you beleive it because a Father the Fathers or the Church saith it Can a man beleive that testimony which may be false as sure as he beleiveth that cui non potest subesse falsum No humane testimony can beget that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or full assurance which a divine Testimony doth k 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Clemons Alex. Strom. 1. 7. Wee regard not an humane testimonie let us confirme the question by the Word of GOD which is the surest demonstration yea the onely demonstration saith Clemens of Alexandria It is l 2. Pet. 1. 19. more sure then the testimonie of men and of Angels Epiphanius layeth downe these for the limites and bounds Reply pag. 125 of our faith * Epiph hâ—res 55. Apostolicall Traditions and the holy Scriptures and the succession of doctrine by which Gods truth is fortified on every side that no man should be deceived with fabulous novelties 4. None of the Ancient were more deceived with
It is a diabolicall spirit that thinketh that any one thing from God should be without the authority of holy Scripture saith Theophilus of Alexandria The Secular Priests say that Iesuites are d Quodlibet 3. art 3. Statists Atheists Iudasses Others say that their denomination from * Vt à luce lucus dictus ut homo est bâ—mo pictus siâ— Ã Iesu Iesuita Iesu ita is a contrarie for they are more like Esauites Gehezites or Iebusites And I may say the Devill is an invisible Iesuite Iesuites are visible Devils yet they wil be men of God Secondly where is it found that all this counsell of God was â—ver yet written or that S. Paul in this place doth not speake aswell of the unwritten word as of the written word and counsell of God 13. We finde that S. Paul submitted all his doctrine to Reply be e Act. 17. 11. tryed by the Scriptures that he preached nothing but what f â— 2â— 22. was written and that making confession of his faith he saith g c. 24. 14. I beleeve all things which are written and if he had beleeved unwritten Traditions he would have added and I beleeve all the unwritten Traditions but seeing he beleived none of these how can he speak of an unwritten word of God The word of God is not like to a sick mans â—â—ncupative will of which some is written some is unwritteÌ„ only delivered by word of mouth but it is a perfect wil testament it needes not additioÌ„ of things unwritten Thirdly by all Scripture the Apostle meaneth onely the old Reply pag. 133 Testament He then that is well seene in the old Testament alone hath he knowledge of the whole counsell of God 14. In the eight division of this Section we have shewed the contrary but suppose the Apostles meaning is so what doth it make for the Iesuit David had but a part of the old Testament to be his h Ps 11 〈◊〉 â—4 Counseller yet he confesseth that it was so large that he could see i Vers â—6 no end of the perfection of it that by it k Vers 99. he had more understanding then all his teachers and that by it hee l Vers 101. refrained his foot from every evill way thus by it alone he understood the whole counsel of God Againe when the Apostle saith All Scripture the particle Reply All signifieth distributively every parcell of the Scripture not the whole Scripture together collectively but our Adversary will not say that every books of holy Scripture yea every parcell of a booke or chapter is able to instruct the minister of Gods word perfectly 15. This is Ad paucarespicere to stop one gap and to open ten for it overthroweth all his distinctions 1. That of mediate and immediate sufficiencie for every parcell of every Chapter of Scripture hath not a mediate sufficiencie it selfe to make us wise by sending us unto Christ neither doth every parcell send us unto the Church from her to learne Traditions 2. That of counsell written and unwritten for every parcell of every Chapter doth not containe all the written counsell 3. That of profitablenesse and sufficiencie for every parcell of a Chapter is not profitable it selfe for those foure uses to teach reprove correct and instruct 4. That of the man of God a godly man for every parcell is not profitable to enable a godly man to every good work This is to grant us more then wee desire that every parcell of Scripture is profitable for these foure uses how much more then is the whole Canon of Scripture profitable unto the same The words 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 all Scripture are taken heere for the whole body or Canon of Scripture In the same sense Athanasius useth the same words when he saith m 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Athanas in Syâ—op All Scripture or the whole Scripture translate it as you please of us Christians is inspired of God and then he addeth and containeth certaine bookes contained in a certaine Canon Thus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 with Athanasius is taken for the whole Canon and not for every parcell for every parcell hath not certaine bookes Omnis id est totâ— is the usuall note upon this place but Estius is most plain n Non id velle Apostolum quod una quâ—â—que pars Scripturâ—â— sit utilis â—d istâ— quatuoâ— hic â—nim sensus liq â—do salsus est sed quod in universa Scriptura 〈◊〉 quatuor utilitates reperiantur Guil. â—stius professor Duaâ— The Apostles meaning is not this that every parcell of Scripture is profitable for these foure for this sense is manifestly false but that these foure profites are found in the whole Scripture Heere the Iesuite insultingly taxeth us for minching mangling and chopping of the Scripture when himselfe is guilty of the same of chopping the whole Scripture into severall parcells of a booke and of a Chapter Moreover he seemeth to inferre a sufficiencie where mention Reply p. 133. is made onely of a profitablenes All divine Scripture saith S. Paul is profitable to teach Hence our Answerer deduceth that nothing else is requisite to teach 16. The Iesuite dealeth not sincerely with his Answerer when he not onely seemeth to chop but doth mangle this argument as he did formerly the Scriptures S. Paul saith The man of God may bee perfectly instructed to every good worke by the Scriptures Hence the Answerer inferreth That there is no other word of God which the man of God who must declare the whole counsell of God is bound to teach S. Paul setteth forth at large the profitablenesse of the Scripture for foure uses to teach to reprove to correct and to instruct and sheweth how fully and sufficiently it doth these even that the man of God may bee perfectly instructed to every good worke But the Iesuite repeating the words of S. Paul diminisheth the profitablenesse of the Scripture onely accounting it profitable to teach and explaineth this of sending us unto Christ and Christs sending us to his disciples and the Disciples bidding as to hold fast unwritten Traditions If this be all the profitablenesse of the Scripture then there is little sufficiencie in it but this is not the profitablenesse of which the Apostle speaketh for All Scripture that is as the Iesuite expoundeth it every parcell of a booke and of a Chapter doth not send us unto Christ Christ unto his Disciples and the Disciples unto unwritten Traditions Neither doth the Answerer inferre a sufficiencie from a bare profitablenes the word Profitablenes or sufficiencie is not at all in his argument neither doth he say Therefore nothing else is requisite to teach for this is manifestly false Let the Scriptures be never so profitable and sufficient yet some thing else is required to teach there is required a * Act. 8. 31. Rom. 10. 14. Teacher yea though unwritten Traditions were admitted yet
there must be one to teach them In this Teacher learning is required because it is profitable yet not sufficient to enable him to teach But thus we argue That that is so profitable to to teach to reprove to correct and to instruct that thereby the man of God may be perfectly instructed to every good worke that we say is sufficient Omne sufficiens est utile this Proposition is most certaine Whatsoever is sufficient is profitable and it is not thus to be converted Omne utile est sufficiens northus Nullum utile est sufficiens but thus Aliquod utile est sufficiens Something that is profitable is sufficient So is the Scripture it is a thing so profitable every way that it must needes be sufficient in suo genere for that end there needeth no unwritten word to be taught Such a profitable thing is Godlinesse that it is likewise sufficient it is one of the instances which the Iesuite giveth to prove that the Scriptures are not sufficient because they are said to be profitable Godlinesse saith he is profitable for all things is it therefore so sufficient that nothing else is to bee sought for neither meat drinke sleepe c. The scope of the Apostle is to prove what is both profitable and sufficient for the obtaining of the promise especially of the life eternall can it be denyed that Godlinesse in suo genere is both profitable and sufficient for this As for meate drinke sleepe c. they are helpes of an other kinde they are needefull for a godly man in regard of his weake nature to maintaine his naturall life but not needfull to perfect Godlines to attaine eternall life As Godlines is both profitable sufficient for that end so are the Scriptures for the end of which the Apostle speaketh although helpes of any other kind are required The Iesuite giveth an other instance Learning saith he is profitable to the knowledge of the truth is it therefore sufficient I confesse it is not Is therefore the Scripture not sufficient but onely profitable because some things are profitable but not sufficient I pray you in what mood or figure is this Syllogisme Some things which are profitable are not sufficient but the Scripture is profitable Therefore not sufficient If learning were as profitable as the Scripture is then it were sufficient but it is not by it the man of God cannot bee perfectly instructed to every good worke Finally you either ignorantly or wilfully pervert and Reply p. 134. deprave the sonse and meaning of the Apostles wordes when making him to say that by the Scriptures the man of God may bee perfectly instructed to every good worke you interprete this good worke to bee the ministery of Gods word But Paules meaning was farre otherwise to wit that the Scriptures are profitable to teach to reprove to correct and instruct in the way of righteousnesse that the man of God that is to say a godly man thus instructed may be perfect in his godly life and enabled to every good worke not so much of preaching and teaching as of justice and righteousnes wherein hee was instructed out of the Scriptures 17. For want of new shifts the Iesuite is forced to returne to his old shift but we have * Divis 12. of this Section already started him out of this hole and shewed that by The man of God the Apostle meaneth the Minister of Gods word But supposing this to be the Apostles meaning That a godly man being instructed by others out of the Scriptures may be made perfeet in his godly life and enabled to every good worke What need we more or what neede then is there of unwritten Traditions if not onely initiatively but perfectly a godly life every good worke may be learned out of the Scriptures This coÌ„tradicteth his former distinctioÌ„ of perfectly initiatively quite overthrowes unwritteÌ„ traditioÌ„s the great pillar of Popery unlesse the Iesuite hath this mentall reservation that there is one faith for the Pastor and an other faith for the People one perfection for the Man of God and an other perfection for a godly man one law of workes for the Preist and an other for the Laytie In the last place he commeth to his wrestling argument as he tearmeth it of which he seemeth to be as confident as if it were an invincible Armado and yet with a blast it may be overthrowne When you affirme that the written word alone is sufficient Reply pag. 134 for faith and salvation you must meane either the entire Scripture wholly taken together or some one part thereof onely If the former then you have no sufficient rule of faith left you forasmuch as many bookes of holy Scripture are lost and perished as the * 3. King 4. 32. Three thousand Parables and the five thousand verses written by Salomon * 1. Paralip 29. 29. The bookes of the Prophets Nathan and Gad the bookes of Ahia and the * â— Paralip 9. 29. vision of the Prophet Addo 18. We meane as S. Paul meaneth the whole canon of Scripture or the entire Scripture wholly taken together of which if any part bee lost it being lost before S. Paul wrote this yet the whole Scripture of which he speaketh remaineth still We beleeve not that many bookes of holy Scripture are lost and perished no nor any as for that of Salomon the text doth not say that Salomon wrote but that he * 1. King 4. 32. spake three thousand Parables and a thousand and five not five thousand Songs It may bee they were written yet seeing the Proverbes containe 974. verses Ecclesiastes 222 and the Canticles 116 in all 1312. verses and many verses containe three or foure sayings those things therefore may be contained in them The bookes of Nathan Gad Ahia and Addo are supposed by p 〈◊〉 Semens Bibl. Sanct. l. a. Dorothens in Synopsi some to bee parcells of the bookes of Samuel Kings and Chronicles each of them writing the Acts and mouuments of those Kings under whom they lived All these may be lost and yet not many bookes of holy Scripture lost because those of Solomon as it may be were neither written nor canonicall and those of Nathan Gad c. were written but not canonicall q Alia sicuti homines histericâ diligentiâ alia sicut Prophetas divinâ— inspiratione scribere potuisse Aug. de Civitat Dei l. 18. c. 38. Some things saith S. Augustine speaking of the Prophets they might write by way of history as men other things by divine inspiration as Prophets And the Iesuite Sanctius whose bookes this Iesuite is not worthy to beare saith r Sanctius Iâ—â—olegom in l. Reg. These bookes of Nathan ad c. were like Diaries or an Ephemerides in which the acts of their times were written and he proveth at large that The choyse things in them were transcribed by the penmen of the Kings and Chronicles and that the remainder which
an other to teach that the bookes of the Fathers are to be compared with the Scripture If the Iesuit would say no more of unwritten Traditions then Athanasius saith of the books of the Fathers then the coÌ„troversy were ended for you see he brings not the commentary into the Text but distinguisheth between the coÌ„mentary the Text you make no difference between the one the other but make the interpretation Pag. 124. as authenticall as the Text even as S. Iohns Gospel He attributeth unto the scriptures the sufficiency to discover al truth to be learned to the Fathers the interpretatioÌ„ of Scripture as an help that the same truth may be more easily learned you attribute to the Scriptures a sufficiency only to teach some truths not all truths which are to be learned teach that those truths must be taught by unwritten Traditions Vnwritten Traditions are not therfore only interpretations of Scripture but even additions to it In the last place he objecteth out of Athanasius in this manner Athanasius disputing against the Arians did most frequently Reply p. 119. beate them downe with the authority of the Church of unwritten Traditions Yea hee thought it * Athanas Epist ad Epicteâ— sufficient for their confutation to tell them without any more adoe that their Doctrine was not agreeable to that of the Catholickâ— Church nor yet was held by the Fathers of former ages I thinke it sufficient for your confutation to tell you Opâ—rtet mendacem esse memorem You told us even now in your second Answer That the Scripture was sufficient for the discovery of two truthes whereof one was this That Christ is truely God Did not the Arianâ— deny this article of faith And yet now you tell us That the Arians could not be everthrowne but onely by the help of unwritten Traditions Sir where was your memory when you wrote this Yet for your more full confutation I tell you that in the same Epistle hee saith The fâ—â—th confirmed in the Nicen Councell at which he was present according to the Scriptures was sufficient to beat downe the Arian Heresie And in an other place hee declareth his minde saying y Athanas in Exhort ad monach Let us thinke that the well ordered Canon is sufficient to attaine the knowledge of God And not onely by the Scriptures but likewise by the authority and Tradition of the Church that is the succession of the truth of this doctrine doth he confute them Now good Sr Wiseakers tell me in your wisdome If this holy Father had onely used the Tradition of the Church and not the authority of the Scriptures to beat downe the Arian Heresie would it follow that he could not beat it down by the Scriptures Doth the use of one meanes exclude the possibility of the other Because now we are beating down unwritten Traditions by the Fathers have we not or can we not therefore beat them down by the Scripture Seeing the Arians held such a wicked and manifestly perverse a doctrinâ— therefore saith this holy Father it is sufficient to tell them c. so we thinke it sufficient for confutation of unwritten Doctrines to tell you This Doctrinâ— is not agreeable to that of the Catholicke Church nor yet was held by the Fathers of former ages so farre are we from condemning the Doctrine of the Catholicke Church that by it we condemne this new Doctrine of unwritten Traditions Againe * Idem de decret Synod Nic. cont â—useb Let the Arians answer me if they can where doe Reply p. â—4â— they fiade in the Scriptures this solemne word by what reason doe they hold God to be unbegotten Behold we have evident demonstrations that this our Doctrine was delivered by Traditions from hand to hand by the Fathers We confesse with Athanasius that the wordes unbegotten or â—oessentiall are noâ— written but yet the Doctrine signifiâ—d by these words as we have * Sect. 4. Divis 1â— formerly shewed is written in other words Is the doctrine unwritten because the word is unwritten And is the Doctrine not taught in Scripture because it was preserved in the Church and delivered by Tradition from hand to hand â— Athanasius shall answere for us z 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Athanas Epistol de Senten Dionys con Ariaâ— Although I cannot find that word in the Scriptures yet gathering the Doctrine ouâ— of the Scriptures I knowe that hee that is the Sonne and the Word cannot be of an other substance then the Father Lastly * Idem in Epist ad ubique Orthodox The constitutions of the Church saith hee are no novelties lately brought in but they were delivered by our first Fathers Neither did our Faith now beginne but it descended from our Lord by his Disciples unto us When the Arian persecution was so hote against the Catholickes as that Athanasius was thrust out of his Bishoprick and an Arian by Simonie purchased it then this holy Father wrote this Epistle This made him complaine Reply p. 140. that the Constitutions of the Church were overthrowne and a new faith set up by these Intruders What doth this make for unwritten Traditions If it be because the Church hath Constitutions wee graunt it but these are nihil ad rem no points of faith If it be because our Faith descended from the Lord by his Disciples unto us wee graunt this likewise but what is this Even the forme of wholesome Doctrine contained in the Scriptures as it was taught first by the Disciples of our Lord and after preached vivâ voce by the Church Wee plead for the same Faith which was at onâ—e delivered unto the Saints We acknowledge no faith but that which from Christ by his Disciples is descended unto us And wee deny that the Church in after ages had any power to coyne a new Article of faith With you are the Novelties Traditions of a later invention not so old as from the time of Athanasius nor descended from our Lord by his Disciples You have coyned many new Articles of faith What will you say for your Ecclesiasticall Traditions which you make to be of the same faith authority with the written word By the judgement of Athanasius they cannot be points of faith Because our faith descendeth from the Lord by his Disciples unto us S. Ambrose * S. Ambros offi l 1 c. 23 The things which wee finde not in the Answer Scriptures how can we use them And againe * Idem in virgin instit c. 11. I read that hee is the first I read that he is not the second they who say hee is the second let them shew it by reading S. Ambrose instructing Churchmen how they ought to Reply p. 140. carry themselves in their conversation propoundeth the question whether they may use such pleasant mery jests in their speech as the Philosophers doe commend Whereunto he answereth negatively in these words The things which we find
contradict any of these For if we goe about to reject such customes as are not delivered by writing accounting them to be of little force we shall unawares daâ—â—age the Gospell very much and bring the preaching thereof unto a bare name of words Neither are we content with such things onely as the Apostles or the Gospell doth expresse but we say many things both before consecration and after of great avayle for that Mysterie which we have received by Tradition without writing What a Bull-head is this to confound 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Constitutions and Doctrines as if they were the same whereas they differ very much S. Basil in the subsequent words distinguisheth them saying h 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Idem ibid. Constitution is one thing Doctrin is another thing Constitutions are the ritâ—â— customes decrees or ceremonies of the Church so 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is translated a i Luc. â— 1. dâ—creâ— and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 k â—phes â— 15â— ordinances Doctrines are the points of salvation perpetuall and not changeable as the Ceremonies are And in the very words alleadged S. Basil distinguisheth them for he saith not Vnwritten Traditions are Gospell but If we reject them and account them of no force we may daâ—â—age the Gospell and bring Preaching to a bare name We should soone see this if there were no Ecclesiasticall orders What kinde of prayers or preaching or administration of the Sacraments would there be if every man might be his own carver in these things Surely there would be a Babell of confusion Quot capita tot placita The Iesuite in favour of his cause corruptly translath S. Basil in this manner * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. The Doctrines and Institutions which are preached in the Church some of them wee have out of the written word and some out of the Tradition of the Apostles Whereas S. Basil is thus to be translated The Institutions and Doctrines which are preserved in the Church these that is the Doctrines wee have out of the written word those that is the Institutions we have by the Tradition of the Apostles So that the doctrine of S. Basâ—l in this differeth nothing from our doctrine That the unwritten things which come by Tradition are the rites ceremonies or institutions which are preserved in the Church of which sort he reckoneth these Signeing with the crosse praying towards the East standing in prayer betweene Easter and Pentecost thriâ—e dipping of the party baptised a certaine forme of prayer both before and after consecration These we confesse are not written but they all are Rituall Traditions and belong not to our controversie The Doctrines of which we dispute are taken out of the written word this is the doctrine of S. Baâ—il to which wee suâ—scribe There is one thing in that of S. Baâ—il which he uttered unadvisedly That both the Institutions and Doctrines had equall force unto Godlinesse But we must consider that S. Baâ—il being in the heat of disputation in defence of these orders of the Church spake thus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 but after being in more coole blood he speaketh like himselfe 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for having shewed that some things are given by word of mouth he sheweth that those were not necessary things saying l 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Idem in Râ—â—ul coâ—tract can 1. Concerning thâ—se things which are given without writings the Apostle Paul hath given â—â— this rule All things are lawfull but all things are not expedient We deny not the lawfull use of Ecclesiasticall ordinances but that they should be so expedient as to be of equall force unto Godlinesse with the writen Doctrines this is denyed not onely by us but even by the wisest Papists themselves And in the practise of the Roman Church many of the unwritten constitutions of which Basil speaketh are not observed as m Durand de ritib. Eccl. l. 1. cap. 3. praying standing to the East and n Catech Rom. de Baptis The thrise dipping of the party baptised This omission o Bellat de verbo non script l. 4. c. 7. Bellarâ—â—â—â— excuseth by distinguishing the observation of them from the first Institution of them And if they be not necessary for our observation how can they be of equall force unto Godlinesse At last S. Baâ—il concludeth thus * Idem ibid The day would fayle Reply p. 144. me if I should take upon me to number up all the unwritten mysteries of the Church I ommit the rest Onely I demaâ—nd in what written word have we the very profession of our faith to belâ—eve in the Father and the Sonne and the Holy Ghost As for the rest we have answered And for the profession of our faith we professe this faith that all the points of faith contained in the Creed are taught us in the Scriptures It is the confession of the Iesuite in another * Pag. 146. place As for example the Creed the Scripture declareth plaine enough Vnto whose confession I might adde that of Cyrill p 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Cyril Catech. 5â— The choyse things of the whole Scripture being knit together make up the forme of our creed And that of S. Augustine q Aug. l. 1. ad Catechum de Symbol The words of the Symbolâ— are seatteâ—ed in the Scriptures and from them collected into one So that by the profession of our faith S. Baâ—â—l doth not meane the Articles of faith contained in the Creed but that profession or manner of reciteing it which the Church required of those that were baptised when they came to the yeares of discretion as we require in confirmation or else the whole frame Syntaxe and forme of words as they are kâ—it together in the Creed And this we confesse is not written verâ—atim altogether in any one part of Scripture but it is taken out of diverse parts of Scripture and collected into one forme of words Clement of Alexandria upon the words of the Apostle to Reply pag. 144 the Romans c. 1. I deâ—ire to see you that I may impart unto you some spirituall gift for your confirmation * Clem Alex Stro l. 5. Such gifts aâ— these saith Clement could not be published openly by writing being a Tradition which he desired to deliver unto them being present and not by Epistle 11. What spirituall gift S. Paul meaneth he declareth in the next verse r Rom. 1. 12. That is that I may be comforted together with you by our mutuall faith Comfort was that spirituall gift which he desired to impart unto them and to receive from them and this could not be done so well by writing as by mutuall speech and conference It was not to teach any unknowne unwritten doctrine unto them for that he might have delivered unto Phebe the bearer of his Epistle and she unto them Yea Paul professeth of them that they were
already Å¿ Rom. 15. 14. filled with all knowledge What Paul desired to impart unto them he desired to receive the same from them but I hope you will not say that Paul desired to bee taught any unwritten Tradition by them Eusebius also telleth us * Euseb â— 1. de demoâ—str Evang c. â— That the Disciples of our Lord Reply pag. 14â— commended unto the faithfull such things as they learned of their Master partly by writing and partly without writing And therefore * Idem coâ—t Marâ— Episâ— Ancyran The Church from one end of the world unto an other confirmeth her doctrine by testimoâ—â—es out of the Scriptures and by unwritten Tradition 12. I tell you that Eusebius by such things as were delivered without writing meaneth not sâ—ch things as were doctrinall for he commendeth t 〈…〉 in 1. Tiâ— 3. Constaâ—tine his good admonitions given to the Councell of Nice amongst which Theodâ—ret relateth this for one u Theodâ—r l. 1. cap. 7. Consult onely with the Scriptures which doe fully instruct â—â— in such things Other things such as were Rituall might be commended without writing Neither doth Eâ—sâ—bius say That such things were delivered to the Faithfull without writing * Illis autem qui animas adhuc affectibus obnoxias gerebant curationisque indigentes tradidisse quae ijs conâ—enire aâ—bitrabantur idque partim 〈◊〉 partim sine literis Euseb ibid. But unto those whose soules were as yet misled by their affections and stood in need of curing they delivered those things which they judged fit for them partly by writing partly without writing Now if they were delivered unto such as were not perfect but carryed away with the storme of their affections how can they bee unwritten Traditions For according to your Doctrine unwritten Traditions by reason of the dignitie of such great mysteries were not delivered by the Apostles unto such as were unsound and wavering but unto them that were sound stayed perfect and faithfull It is true that the faith was delivered by the Apostles in a diverse manner according to the capacitie of their hearers Sometimes more accurately and sometimes more plainely Sometimes more breifly and sometimes more fully but the same points of faith were still delivered unto all both by writing and without writing The Iesuite in favour of his cause falsely translateth that other testimony of Eusebius Thus it is to be englished * Ecclesia ex divinis Scripturis testimoniâ— ex non scripta Traditione confirmaâ— The Church confirmeth the testimonies of Scripture by unwritten Tradition Howsoever it be translated it maketh no more for unwritten Traditions then it doth for the writings of the Fathers and of the Heathen themselves because the Church confirmeth her doctrine by the testimonies of the Fathers and likewise of the Heathen This inference is as sound S. Paul confirmed his doctrine by the testimonies of Heathen Poets and so the Church confirmeth her doctrine by the writings of the Heathens therefore those Poets and those heathenish writings are the word of God and are to be compared with the written Word this inference 〈…〉 is as â—ound as this The Church confirmeth the testimonies of Scripture by unwritten Tradition or the Church confirmeth her doctrine by unwritten Tradition therefore unwritten Traditions are as sure as Scripture and are to be compared with it The proofe is not alwayes to bee compared with the thing proved In this present controversie as in all others we make use of the writings of the Fathers and of other helpes yet we give the honour of the day unto the Scriptures they must make the onset they are infallible and are sufficient for the finall determination of all questions of faith yet the field being fought and the enemie vanquished ex superabundanti wee make use of the Tradition of the Church of the writings of the Fathers and of other helpes rather ad pompam then ad pugnam for our greater glory and your greater confusion S. Epiphanius * Epiphan haeres 69. The Father is uncreate and unbegotten Reply pag. 145 but where is this saying written So the word Coessentiall or Consubstantiall is not written And * Idem haeres 75. God hath taught us both by Holy Scripture and also by Tradition 13. In the stateing of this Question we allowed unto the Church the delivery of wholesome words according to the Doctrine contained in the Scripture So that wee dispute not against unwritten words but against unwritten Doctrines And though these wordes Vnbegotten Coessentiall c. are not written yet the Doctrine signified by them is written in other wordes as wee have * Sect. 4. Divis 12. formerly declared This is a doctrine taught us both by holy Scripture and by Tradition By Tradition that is by the preaching of Gods word by which we confesse God teacheth us and not by writing onely This onely concerneth â—â—dum tradendâ— the manner of delivery but the Question is de re tradiâ—â of the matter delivered whether God by Tradition hath taught us any unwritten Doctrines The Iesuite playeth â—ack on both sides now againâ— he leaveth his assayling us by the Fathers and returneth againe to answere the Fathers objected against him like a tired lade hee desireth to â—hange his pace and yet is neither good at trot or amble The holy Scripture Answer saith S. * Cyril l. 7. cont luâ—an Cyrill of Alexandria is sufficient to make them which are brought up in it wise and most approved and furnished with sufficient understanding And â—gaine That which the holy Scripture hath not said by what meanes should wee receive and account it among those things that be true S. Cyrill as the rest of the Fathers under the Reply pag. 145 name of Scripture comprehendâ—th alwayes unwritten Traditions 14. Surely the Seas made his braines adle he went farre to sucke a Bull and here is a Bull indeed He may aswell sâ—â— by a man is meant a bull or under a man is comprehended a bull as to say under Scripture the Faibers alwayes comprehended unwritten Traditions Tradition is oft taken for Scripture but the Scripture is never taken for unwritten Traditions they are as like as light and darknesse This is as good non-sense as the Roman Catholick Church And this saith he appeareth by Cyrils exhortarion * Cyril ho. â— Heortast Lay up in the inward closet of thy heart the Tradition of the Church as a certaine Treasure lay hold on such actions as are acceptable unto God Call you this an evident proofe It is an evident proofe that your assertion is false seeing you can bring no better a proofe for it Here is no mention of Scripture nor of Traditions nor of unwritten how then doth this prove that under Scripture Cyrill comprehendeth unwritten Traditions I know the word Tradition may be taken for Scripture but under Scripture to comprehend unwritten Traditions is as usuall with the Fathers as truth is
upon the Christians your selves are guilty of these things and yet lay them to our charge This Domineering is in the first cheifest place the Church of Rome challengeth this priâ—acie principalitie above all places The judgement of Heaven and earth namely the Tradition of the Apostles which is contained in the Scripture the doctrine of the Fathers must yâ—eld to her opinion This deformed Church not unlike a toad-stoole all head no body for the r Hervaeâ— de potest Papâ— c. 23. Pope saith Harvie virtually is the whole Church is so swollen up with arrogancy that whatsoever interpretation he giveth of Scripture though it crosse the sense which the Fathers gave yet it must be beleeved if wee will beleeve Å¿ Cusan epist 7. Cusanus And whosoever is absolved by the Pope from Gods Law he is safe enough with God if we will credite t Bodin de Rep. â— 1. c. â— Bodin The touling of Bells the sight of reliques the forgivenes of sins Masses for the dead are some of the rotten wares solde by these soule-marchants Is not this to sell the Inventions of upsâ—arts And from your Charity good Lord deliver us Thus gentle Reader thou hast heard the verdict of the Iurie the senselesse exceptions which the Iesuite hath taken against them all that he can say for himselfe answered and confuted now take upon thee the office of a Iudge consider consult give thy sentence as God shall direct thee SECT VII Of the originall of unwritten Traditions 1. THE contrariety or diversity of any Doctrine froÌ„ the Doctrine of the Apostles is sufficient as a Tertul. pâ—aescript advers haereâ— c. 12. Tertuslian held for the confutation of it We have shewed that the Doctrine of unwritten Traditions doth either crosse the verity of the Scriptures and so they are contra legem or else they crosse the perfâ—ction of them and so are prater legem To find out the original of all Heresies is as difficult a thing as to find out the head of Nilus Hic labor hoc opus est and yet for the more full discoverie of the falshood of this Doctrine unto your Fatherhood the originall of it is thus found out If now is bee demanded in what Popes dayes the contrary Doctrine was brought in among Christians I answere that if S. Peter were ever Pope in his dayes it was that some Seducers first laboured to bring in will worship into the Church against whom S. Paul opposing himselfe Coloss 2. counteth it a sufficient argument to condemne all such inventions that they were the commandements and doctrines of men You tell us a tale of a tub for the Traditions which wee Reply pag. 15â— â—aintâ—ine are not commandements and doctrines of men but delivered unto the Church by the Apostles 2. This is a tale of a tub that you defend no Traditions but such as were delivered by the Apostles unto the Church Will you be content to renounce all your Ecclesiasticall Traditions only to cleave unto Apostolicall Traditions The Scriptures tell tales of your Traditions and we have discovered them to be no better then Aesopes fables or tales of Robin Hood The Apostles words are these * Coloss 2. â— Beware lest any man deceive Reply p. 15â— you by Philosophie according to the Tradition of men according to the elements of this world and not according unto Christ In this place he treateth â—ot of any Traditions which â—e different from the Scriptures but of the observation of the Ceremoniall law which he tearmeth the Tradition of men because it was now expired by the comming of Christ By Philosophiâ— hee doth not meanâ— the Philosophicall Sciences of the Schooles but the doctrine of such as were accounted Sages and wise among the Hebrewes The elâ—ments are not the foure elements but the weake elements of the Iewish Religion He speaketh this saith S. * Hieron Epist ad Algas q. 10. Hiernme against certaine of the Iewes who desired to bring in Iewish Ceremonies And again He swâ—lleth with pride who endeavoureth to bring in Iewish Traditions And thus he presenteth uâ— with a masse of Iewish Traditions Here is a great cry but little wooll much a doe to little pâ—â—pose about Philosophie and the four â— Elements with this Foolosopher The sum of all is this That here the Apostle speaketh of the câ—râ—moniall law I confesse that the Apostle seâ—keth to weane the Colossians from the ceremoniall law and to win them unto Christ In presenting you with a messe of Iewish Traditions we serve you with your owne souce for this messe of Iewish Ceremonies is served up and observed in your Church you have digged Moseâ— out of his grave and a great part of your Religion as a late b Reynolds against Hart. pag. 567. Writer well observeth consisteth in Iewish Ceremonies But this is not the principall thing against which the Apostle disputeth Bellarmine denyeth your exposition saying c Bellar. de verbo Dei l. 4. c. 10. In those places of the new Testament which condemne Traditions they were such Traditionâ— aâ— were contrary to the written word The Apostle hore condâ—mneth Traditions and you say They are not such as were different from the Scripture Bellarmine giveth his reason Because they are never called Traditions of Moses or of the Prophets but Traditions of men you â—ee they are called Traditions of men and yet say they were so called Because the ceremonies were now expired by the comming of Christ Bellarminâ— and this Iesuits doe both cite this place of Hiâ—româ— the one to prove that those Traditions were contrary the other to prove that They differed not from the Scripture And thus the Cardinall and the Iesuâ—te differ in their opinions and agree like Harp and Harrow I approve of Bellarminâ—s reason Traditions of men cannot bee said to bee Traditions of God and though the Ceremoniall law was abolished by the comming of Christ yet it is not therefore to bee called a Traditioâ— of men And if that bee true which the Iesuite * pag. 159. observeth out of our English Translations Thâ—◠〈◊〉 use the word Tradition onely where the Scripture speaketh of certaine Traditions of the Iewes partly frivolous partly repugnant to the Law of God Then the Traditions heere spoken of must needes bee not onely different but also repagâ—â—â—â— to the Law of God for in this place all our Traâ—llations have the word Tradition That the Apostle here speaketh of Traditions different from the Scriptures this doth evidently appeare by the particular Traditions which he condemneth as d Verse 18. 19. worshipping of Angels And touch not tuste not handle not These are Popish Traditions they worship Angels in praying to them and some of them must not touch fine liâ—â—en not tâ—ste flesh not handle money These are Traditions of men not different from the Scriptures And if you had not stinted us to shew In what Popes dayes unwritten Traditions were brought in
any secret Doctrines concealed from the little ones that beleeved which were in secret revealed to the great ones but all points of faith were propounded before all the faithfull but now his tongue is clipâ— and these words in the late editions because they crosse them are crossed out Where then is the uniforme consent of the Fathers for your Doctrine This is not the voyce of the Fathers but of the Heretickes if you will beleeve your owne Salmâ—ron e Ex grege Haereticorum nostri seculi quidam est insignis Castellio dictus qui docet Apostolum reconditio em aliquam Doctrinam habu isse quam Scriptis non commendaverit sed quibusdam perfectis hominibus eam tradidisse Salmer in 2. Tim. 3. Tom. 15. There is a notable Hereticke of late dayes called Castellio who teacheth that the Apostle had a more secret kinde of doctrine which he would not publish to the world by writing but delivered it to certaine perfect men If this be heresie in him then the same is heresie in you so that he may well shake hands with you and you with the ancient Heretickes This doctrine is likewise built upon most false propositions 1. That he greatest mysteries are reserved for Traditions and the least are contained in the Scripture but what greaâ—er mystery is there then the mystery of the Trinity The wonderfull union of the two natures in one person Christ is declared by the Scripture to be a f 1. Tim. â— 16. great mystery So is the mysticaâ—l union of Christ and his Church a g â—phes 5. 32. great mystery All unwritten Traditions are but trifles unto these 2. That the dignity of those mysteries requireth silence least too much knowledge should bring thâ—m into contempt Trutâ— never blusheth but when it is concealed saith h Nihil veritas crubescit nisi abscondi Tert. Cont. Valentinian Tertulliaâ— And ignorance not knowledge causeth pride and contempt S. Paul would not have the Romanes ignorant of a great mysterie lest they should be i Rom. 11. 25. arrâ—gant What made the Atheniaâ—s speake basely of S. k Act. 17. Paul and of his doctrine but only their ignorance When the Apostles spake 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 l Act. 2. 11. the wonderfull things of God ignorance made their hearers floute them for it The mysteries of Gods word are not like juggling tricks which being oft seene and discovered become contemptible but rather like the Sun every day seene and yet desired m Aug. epist â— Such is the depth of holy Scripture saith S. Augustine that if I did studie nothing but it all the dayes of my life yet I may still learne more out of it How then can the knowledge of those things cause contempt of which the ripest understanding can never know enough And if those things were not to bee taught to the people which in fact thorough their owne foolishnesse they doe sometimes contemne thâ—n surely the Apostles would never have written such mysteries as are contained in Scripture neither would they have preached Christ crucified both to the Iewes and to the Gentiles n 1. Cor. 1. 2â— To the lewes a stumbling blocke and to the Grâ—â—ians foolisâ—nes And as these positions are false so their practise is contrary to their owne grounds For if those great mysteries are not opened in the Scriptures which â—â—â— read to the whole world but are locked up under unwritten Traditions and onely the things of lesse dignity are opened in the Scriptures why then are the common people debarred from reading the Scriptures not from unwritten Traditions Why doe you teach these great mysteries of unwritten Traditions unto them seeing they may be sooner brought into contempt by hearing then by reading The reason is because all cannot read but all have eares to heare Yea what authority have you to write those things which the Apostles thought not â—it to be written o Dionys Halicarn l. 1â— Those things saith Dâ—â—nysiuâ— which all may nâ—â— see I thinke all â—â—â—uld not heare them neither ought they to bee written Wherefore that hereafter your practice may not be contrary to your positions take away your Missals Rationals Rituals Pontificals Breviaries Legends and the like from the eyes of the common people seeing in these are the greatest mysteries which by too much familiaritie may be contemned allow the Scriptures unto the common people seeing the Apostles would not open these mysteries in the Scriptures which are to be read unto the whole world lest they should be contemned To shift his necke out of the coller that hee may not bee couppled with those Heretickes he useth this as an other shift Must we shake hands with Heretickes forsooth if wee Reply p. 155. doe but once touch the same texts which they have produced He learned his manners forsooth but he hath lost his wâ—â—s Here is a witlesse demaund wee know the Devill used * Mat. 4. 6. Scripture and yet we lawfully use the same text He said to our Saviour p Mat. 8. 29. What have I to doe with thee And yet our Saviour used the same wordes to his mother q Ioh. 2. 4. What have â— to doe with thâ—â— Heretickes will range thâ—rough the Scripture and so must we but we say you may well shake hands with those Heretickes when you make use of the same texts for the same purpose for which they were condemned The Iesuite denyeth the fact Those Heretickes did reject such Traditions aâ— the Catholicke Church did then maintaine And they brought in such Traditions as they of themselves found out teaching against the nature of Christ and the like In this likewise you may be parallel'd with those Heretickes for reâ—ecting such written Traditions as the Catholick Church did then maintaine as the giving of the Cup the reading of the Scripture the perfection of the Scripture and the like And also for bringing in unwritten Traditions of your owne invention which from the beginning were not and yet are fathered on the Apostles by you And though in the particular Haresies defended by those Hereticks you may differ from them yet in the general tenent you may well shake hands together as long as with those Hereticks you defend The dignity of many mysteries to be such that it is unmeet they should be opened in the Scriptures And that the Apostles had a more secret kind of doctrine which they would not lay down in their writings but delivered it by word of mouth unto perfect men that so under the colour and pretence of unwritten Traditions you may say what you will as against the nature of Christs body that it may be in 10000. places at once and yet this pillar of Popery shall uphold it whatsoever it be that you teach The Iesuite having entred his name in Catalogo Hâ—reticorum he taketh much paines to little purpose to find out our name therein What can you say for your selfe when you Reply
this our Adversaryes enlarge unto all articles of faith As in that of S. Hierome which the Iesuite addeth in the margine That God was borne of a virgin we beleeve because we read it that Mary did marry after she was delivered we beleeve not because we read it not 11. The Fathers provoke their Adversaries unto Scripture only not only in doubtful questions not determined but likewise in points of faith determined by the Church out of the Scriptures The first Councell of Nice determined this point That the Sonne is consubstantiall with the Father and yet about an 100. yeares after S. Augustine disputing against Maximinus the Arian about the same point provoketh k August cont Maxim l. 3. c. 14 him unto Scripture onely The Iesuit's instance of the perpetuall virginity of the blessed Virgin cannot agree with the observation of the Cardinall If it was a question not determined in the Church when S. Hierome wrote against Helvidius why then doth the Iesuite insert it into his * ag 126. Catalogue of unwritten Traditions For as Iulius Rugerius once one of the Popes Protonotaries observeth l Iâ—l Ruger de lib. Canoniâ—is A Tradition is of no force if it have not beene beleeved even from the times of the Apostles 6. When the Fathers cry out upon the abominable impostures Reply p. 169. of the Heretickes who â—athered upon the Apostles execrable Traditions our Adversaries make use of this against such Catholicke and Apostolicke Traditions as the universall Church in all ages and thoroughout all nations hath evermore observed 12. We admit all Catholicke and Apostolicke Traditions and yeeld to the doctrine of the Catholicke Church if by the Catholicke Church he doe not meane the Roman Catholicke Church The Traditions of that Church are as execrable and abominable as those Traditions which were invented by those Hereticks and we have just cause as the Fathers did to cry ouâ— against such Traditions These are the fraudulent inventions by which these Tradition-mongers seeke to avoyde the verdict which the Fathers have given against unwritten Doctrines whose fraud and craftinesse do â—like wise appeare in alleadging the testimonies of the Fathers for unwritten Traditions for as wee have discovered in the stateing of this Question wheresoâ—ver the Fathers use the word Tradition meaning thereby eiâ—her the manner of delivery or the matter delivered eithâ—r Rituall Traditions unwritten or Doctrinâ—ll Traditions written all those places without any respect to thâ— sense most senselesly and deceitfully they produce for their unwritten Traditions When the Fathers use the word Tradition for the delivery of the written word in writing by the Apostles or for their delivery of the same things which are in the word by preaching or by practise or for the Churches delivery of the written word or of written doctrines either expressely written or by consequence deduced or delivered in an unwritten forme of words or for the succession of true doctrine in the Church or for unwritten rites and ordinances used by the Church all such places they alleadge against us for their papisticall Traditions We confesse that which followeth in his Reply That Reply pag. 170. the condition of being written or not written belongeth nothing at all unto the nature of a precept but onely unto the manner of delivery and therefore if once we be assured it was delivered we must not doubt of it This is the true state of the Question whether the Apostles did deliver such things or no Prove this that the Apostles did deliver such doctrines as are not contained in the Scriptures that your unwritten doctrines are the same and we will make no doubt of them To prove this the Iesuite propâ—undeth three rules whereby we may be certainely assured of this 1. By the testimonie of the Church vivâ voce 2. By the dayly and constant practise of the Church 3. By the written attestation of the Saints and holy Doctours His 1. rule is thus squared Seeing our Adversaryes have Reply pag. 170 no other warrant for the written word but the continuall testimonie of the Church thoroughout all ages having the same authoritie for the unwritten word why doe they not embrace the same 13. If we had as good authority for the one as we have for the other we would embrace it for the written word we have more sure grounds then the testimonie of the Church as we have * Sect. 4. Div. 16 shewed but for unwritten Traditions we have not so much as the continuall testimony of the Church throroughout all ages Produce if you can the continuall testimony of the Church thoroughout all ages for adoring of Images for denying the Cuppe and the Scriptures unto the common people and marriage unto Priests To prove unwritten Traditions by the testimonie of the Church is to prove idem per idem for they account the testimonie of the Church an unwritten Tradition This is to prove obscurum per obscurius because it is a most diâ—â—icult thing to finde out the continuall testimonie of the Church thorough all ages Howsoever we put it to the tryall of the Church exceptis semper excipiendis 1. That it be the testimony of the truly Catholicke Church not of the Roman Catholicke Church whose fame is crackt and â—he is â—mficti praviâ— tenax the case is her owne and shee must not be a witnesse in her owne cause m Aug epist 9. If one false thing bee found in the Scriptures saith S. Augustine what authoritie can there be in them In the Roman Church there is at the least one false Tradition which is not from the Apostles as the taking away of the Cuppe and then what authority can there be in her testimony 2. The testimony of the Church must be beleeved the Iesuite might spare his labour in proving it but it cannot beget that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 full assurance which the Scripture doth so that I may easily answer his question What deposition of witnesses I pray Reply p. 170. you can be more certaine and authenticall then tho voyce of the whole Church Why the voyce of the Scripture is a more â—ure word holy men may be deceived in some things and their aâ—â—irmation maketh a thing probable but the Scripture is infallible so certaine as non potest â—ubesse falsam the Scriptures affirmation is a most certaine demonstration And now having made our exceptions let us heare the continuall testimony of the Church The voyce of the Church is an uniforme consent and agreement of six or seven Reply p. 170. thousand Chayres and Episcopall Successions derived without any interruption from the Apostles and their successours and of many millions of subordinate Churches â—hâ—rough the which as thorough so many câ—nduit pipes ordained assisted and authorized by the holy Ghost for this effect the Traditions of the Apostles have with a great uniformity sliden and â—â—owen through all ages unto us This is not the voâ—ce of Iacob but
and the Cuppe unto the common people In which although you cannot gaine the attestation of all the ages of the Church nor make those new inventioÌ„s to mount up against the curreÌ„t of antiquity yet we know can discover your sluâ—tish tricks in chopping changing in wresting wriâ—ging in boasting bragging of the testâ—monies of antiquity And surely whatsoever you say concerning the holy Scriptures had you any hope of attaining good successe as you have fathered false Traditions on the Apostles so you would not spare to invent false Scripture under the name of Canonicall Authors Wee know your good will by adding Apocryphall bookes unto Canonicall Scripture and by equalizing Papall Decrees and Ecclesiasticall Interpretations with the written word but it is not so easie a thing for you to bring in counterfeit Scriptures as counterfeit Traditions because the Scripture hath more helpes to hinder the effecting of it then Traditions have 1. The Scripture hath Gods providence to preserve it from addition aswell as from diminution but unwritten Traditions want Gods providence to preserve them either from the one or the other where shall wee finde those five bookes of Apostolicall Traditions written by Egesippus which you alledge against us As those are lost so wee may finde many volumes of false Traditions 2. The number of the Bookes of holy Scripture is so well knowne that none can adde unto it but it wil be presently discovered it is not so with unwritten Traditions the Pope himselfe cannot or will not lay downe the certaine definite number of unwritten Traditions and say These no more we hold as unwritten Traditions I desire the Iesuit to doe one thing nay I hold out the flag of desiance and avouch it that hee is not able to doe it To lay downe the definite number neither more nor lesse of unwritten Traditions If he ever reply againe let him not forget this Challenge but I know he dares not for his â—ares to doe it because this is the onely shift they have to colour their new Inventions It is a Tradition So that there may be an addition unto Traditions and yet by the number it shall not be discovered because the number is not yet nor shall hereafter be discovered 3. The Scripture is a thing it selfe extant in faâ—t alwayes visible and not trusting to the bare memory of man or to the attestation of others So that if any adde unto it it will testifie of it selfe and for it selfe but unwritten Traditions taking them at the best hand as they come from their first Authors 〈◊〉 things extant in fact nor alwayes visible but speaking the best of them trusting unto the bare memory of others so that others must testifie for them they cannot testifie for themselves and therefore they are more subject to addition even by those that testifie for them And thus wee have discovered his proofes to be false or impertinent and his three rules to be foolish or impossible That of S. Paul to the Thessalonians of Basil of Chrysostome and of the Councell of Gangers is * Paul to Thes Sect. 3. Divis 1. Basil Sect 6. Divis 10. Chrysost Sect 3 Divis 2. Conc Gang. Sect 9. Divis 2 already answered and now there remaineth onely the Curse thundred foorth by that cursed conventicle of Nice commonly called the second Councell of Nice * Conc Nic. 2. Act. 7. If any man contemne the Tradition of the Church which is authorised either by writing or by custome let him bee accursed 17. We are not nice to deny this conventicle of Nice Reply pag. 172 seeing it was called by an insolent woman Irene domineering over her husband was compacted of a sort of Idolaters and condemned by a better y concil Francos iuxta Maenum an 794. Walafrid Stra. Ado Viennens in Histos Councell This causelesse z Prov. 26. 2. curse we feare not it shall not come upon us but rather like Noahs dove it shall returne from whence it came We feare not Balaams curses though he doe vent them with Bell Booke and Candle for though they curse yet the a Psal 109 28. Lord will blesse But let all Tradition-mongers feare that dreadfull curse which the Lord pronounceth against all such as shall teach prater or contra otherwise or contrary wise then the Scripture expound the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as you will all such are beside the way or in a contrary way Let all such I say feare that curse written by S. Paul b Gal. 1. 8. If wee or an Angell from heaven preach otherwise unto you then that which we have preached unto you let him be accursed And lest you should thinke to avoyde this curse in saying S. Paul speaketh not of what was written but of what was preached S. Augustine forewarneth you thus c Si quis siâ—e d Châ—iâ—â—o sive de cius Ecclesia sive de quâ—â—un qâ—e aâ—iâ—â—e qâ—ae pertinet ad si dem vitamque nostram â—n dâ—câ—m si nos sed quâ—d Pau lu◠〈◊〉 it â— Aâ—gâ—us de câ— lâ— vob saâ—nun â—iaveâ—it prae â—â—rqua â—â— qâ—od in Scripturis legalibus eâ—angelicis accâ—pi stis anâ— themâ— sit Aug lib 3. cont liter Pe til c. 6. If any one concerning Christ or his Church or any other thing which â—elongeth unto faith and life I will not say if we but as Paul addeth if an Angell froâ— heaven preaâ—h unto you otherwise then what you have received in the writings of the law and the Gospell let him be accursed And who can declare what curse this iâ— for though there bee no unwritten Doctrines yet there are unwritten d Deut 2â— 6 curses Iâ— the Iesuite have any minde to reply againe let him beginne when he will he shall be answered for this time the combate is ended and the day is ours the Arke standeth and Dagon is fallen the great Fort of Popery is battered downe and all Popery tottereth at the â—all of it In this Adversary we have discovered many shifts but liâ—tle learning a spitefull heart a bâ—â—ter tongue and a brazen fâ—ce are his best arguments His whole discourse like an aiery meteor being composed of a deale of matter imperfectly mixed together is quite vanished as his proofes are weake â—o his position is wicked and therefore let nothing draw thee from Scripture to follow after other Doctrines but let that be the Lyains Lapis the touchstone of truth and then I will say of unwritten Traditions that which Saul said to Ionathan concerning his Kingdome e 1. Sam. 20 31. As long as the Sonne of Ishaâ— liveth thou shalt not be established oâ— thy Kingdome Faults to be amended In the Title page line 17. for were reade are IN the Epistle for Zeâ—â—crates reade Xenocraâ—es Pag. 2. lin 11. for fibolist reade fikher p. 5. lin 27 for that read thus p. 6. l. 2. for Iesuites read Iesuite p. 9 l. 19. for speak reade speake p. 11 l. 10. for as it reade as if it p. 16. l. 18. for Tradition read Traditions p. 1â— l. 32 for the read this p. 32 l. 4. for Leâ—sâ—us read Lenseâ—s p. 41. l. 35. for them reade him p. 54. l. 36. for handleth read â—oldeth p. 84. l. 8. for to to read to p. â—6 l. 6. for wrestling reade wresting p 87 l 24. for wrestle wrestling read wrest wresting p. 135. l. â— for not reade and p. 138. l. 21. for call reade call them p 160. l. 3. for our reade your p. 171 l. 12. for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 reade if 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 p. â—69 l 36. for and the read and to this end the. In the margent P. 6 for 129 read 120. p. 9. for Chrysost reade Chrysol p 36. for sap reade sip p. 57. for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 read 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 p. 81. for 26. read 96. p 106 for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 read 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 p 111. for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 read 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 p. 111. for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 read 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 p. 136. for 92 read c. 92 p. 140 for mandatur read mandantur p. 143. for c. â—â— reade 3â— p. 144. for fidelâ— reade fidelibus p. 147 for p. 164. read p. 156. p. 149. for hom 3. reade hom 31. p. 159. for Mat. 12. reade Mat. 2. Adde p. â—0 l 14. All that was inspired was preached p. 27 l. 23. blot out the comma betweene Euchariâ—t fasting and betweene Person Christ. p. 144. l. 30. and after 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pag 36 marg
which I will breifly repeat By the Majesty of the Speaker by the titles of the Bookes by the power of the doctrine in the conscience by the simplicity and purity of the stile by the truth of the predictions by the agreement in all things though written by sundry persons in sundry places and at sundry times by the perfection of it and by the testimony which our Saviour giveth unto the i Luc. 24. 27. old Testament k 2. Pet. â— 16. S. Peter to the Epistles of S. Paul and S. Paul to the whole l 2. Tim. 3. 17. Scripture By all these it is more then probable and credible that the Scripture is the word of God These are sufficient arguments to beget an acquired faith in any man if the m 2. Cor. 4. 4. God of this world hath not blinded his eyes so that he cannot n Psal 119. 1â— see the wonderfull things contained in the Law The naturall man is blinde and o 1. Cor. 2. 14. perceiveth not the things of God by his active understanding neither can he conceive them by his passive understanding although they be most evidently revealed and therefore God worketh in his owne an infused faith and openeth their eyes that they may see and beleeve this truth There is p In Scripturis est Sol justitiae August in Psal 80. in the Scriptures the Sunne of righteousnesse as S. Augustine saith a blinde man cannot see this Sunne no more then a blinde man can see the Sunne in the Heavens as therefore the eye of the body must be light that it may see the Sunne so must the eye of the soule be spiritually illuminated that it may see this Sunne of righteousnesse This is wrought outwardly by the word which q Psal 19. 8. giveth light unto the eyes and inwardly by the spirit which r 1. Cor. 2. 11. onely knoweth the things of God and worketh this by Å¿ Origen de Principijs l. 4. c. 1. working upon the spirit and the understanding as Ovigen sayth And when the heart is purified that a man doth the will of GOD then he shall t Ioh. 7. 17. knowe whether the doctrine bee of GOD or no. And as a friend knoweth the voyce of his friend so the spouse of CHRIST and the sheepe of CHRIST know his u Cant. â— â— Ioh. 10. 4. voyce These are the meanes by which wee know the Scriptures to be the Word of GOD by which we know what bookes are canonicall and which are counterfeit And for the manifestation of this truth we doe likewise allow the testimony of the Church these cautions remembred 1. The testimony of the Church is one but not the onely meanes He that knoweth the Sunne to bee the Sunne onely because he is told so and hee that knoweth his horse to be his horse onely because the hostler telleth him so is as wise a man as he that knoweth not the Scripture to be the Scripture but onely because holy Church telleth him so I will demaund one thing of this Iesuite if a man deny the Scripture will he not convince him by the authority of the Church which testifieth for the Scripture And if he deny the testimony of the Church will he not convince him by the authority of the Scripture which testifieth for the Church Thus is he forced to daunce in a circle and in the end to bring all conclusions to be proved by the Scripture We rather hold that the Scripture is the onely meanes to know the Church by then that the Church is the onely meanes whereby to know the Scripture So saith the Authour of the imperfect Worke upon Matthew x Anteâ— multis modis â—stendebaâ—ur quae esset ecâ—lesia Christ quae gentilitas nunâ— autem nullo modo cognos cituâ— volentibus cogâ—oscere quae sit ecclesia Christâ— nisi tantummodò per Scripturas Hom. 49. In former times there were many wayes whereby to know which was the Church of Christ and which was Gentilisme but now if a man would know which is the Church of Christ the Scripture is the onely meanes whereby to know it And S. Augustine sheweth us where we must seeke for the Church y In prâ—scripto legis in Pro phetarum praedictis in Psal morum â—antibuâ— in ipsius pastoris vocibus in Evargelistarum praedicationibus laboribus hoc est in omnibus canonicis sanctorum librorum authoritaâ—ibus Aug. de unitat Eccles c. 16 In the prescript of the Law in the predictions of the Prophets in the Psalmes in the words of the Pastour himselfe in the Sermons and labours of the Apostles that is in the canonicall authority of the holy Bible 2. The authority of the Church is a meanes to declare which is the canonicall Scripture but not to make the Scripture canonicall as he that declareth Ignatius to be canonized for a Saint doth not thereby canonize him it is a good argument not à priori but à posteriori as when the Gold-smith declareth the Gold to be good But the Romanists speake most disgracefully of the Scripture z Scripturas valere quantum fabulae Aesopi si destituantur authoritate Ecclesiae Heâ—man apud Breut in Prolegom That the Scriptures are no better then Aesopes fables if they want the authority of the Church And without the authority of the Church a Se non plus fidei adhibiturum quam Tito Livio Gul. Bailius Catech. contr tract 1. q 12 They will beleeve them no more then Titus Livie Thus I have made good my promise and have runne the wilde goose chase after this Gagler in these three Sections who at last seeing his fault that all this while he hath answered nothing that hath beene objected confesseth That it is time for him to examine the Scripture which is produced against unwritten Traditions In reexamining of what he hath examined it shal be made manifest that SECT V. The Iesuite useth most silly shifts in answering the Scripture which is produced against unwritten Traditions THe three observations gathered by the Iesuite in the beginning of this Section are already answered and therefore I neede not actum agere yet I wil be content to give them a touching answer First the Traditions which we maintaine Reply p. 127. cannot be said to be precepts or commaundements of men but of God himselfe forasmuch as they proceede immediatly from Christ and his Apostles 1. Are your Ecclesiasticall Traditions immediately from Christ and his Apostles Your solemne baptizing of Bells Your Friday faste and the like can you proove thier originall to be immediatly from Christ and his Apostles Secondly that the like our Traditions are not any Reply pag. 128. way contrary or repugnant to the truth of holy Scripture 2. There is neither sense nor truth in this observation The likâ— our Traditions are not is none sense not contrary to the truth of holy Scripture is contrary to the truth That it is a
is lost contained onely leviora things of litle account Å¿ Si canonici ejusmodi libri extitissent ecclesia non fuisset depositi sibi traditi à Deo fidelis custos juxta illud 1. Tim. 6. oh Timoth depositum custodi c. Salmeron prolog 9 caâ— 4 If these bookes saith Salmeron had beene canonicall the Church had not beene a faithfull keeper of that which God committed to her according to that oh Timothie keepe that which is committed to thee It cannot then stand with the care of the Church which is Custes Rotulorum the keeper of Gods oracles that any booke of holy Scripture should be lost t Staplet Defens occles author cont Whitak l. 2. c. 1 It cannot stand with the providence of God which never faileth in things necessary to salvation saith Stapleton And he addeth That the Church is as much to bee blamed if she should lose a booke of Scripture as if she should lose a Sacrament But that we may wrestle the Iesuite with his wrestling argument let him answer this God by his providence and the Church by her care hath preserved the volume of the written word whole and intire so that not one booke of it is lost but many volumes of unwritten Traditions are lost and perished witnesse the five bookes which Egesippus wrote of the unwritten Traditions which the Apostles left unto the Church the which the * Sect. 2. Iesuite alledgeth against us And the booke written by Clemens Alexandrinus of the same subject neither is the Iesuite able to tell us what particular Traditions were contained in these bookes with us therfore the rule of saith remaineth whole intire but part of their rule is lost and perished And thus our Doctrine stands firme and sure notwithstanding all the shifts and cunning windings of this Iesuite there is in the Church perfectio integralis of the whole volume of Scripture not one booke of it is lost and there is in the Scripture perfectio finalis for the Church not one point of faith nor one good worke is there but it may be learned by the Scriptures This one testimony of S. Paul I preferre before the testimony of any Father yet because our Adversaries being convinced by the Scriptures give out that the Fathers are theirs as the Iewes did u Ioh. 8. 39. that Abraham is our Father Wee will therefore bee content to put our selves to be tryed by God and the Countrie not onely by the Scriptures but also by the Fathers whose verdict is returned in the next Section SECT VI. VVherein the Iesuite produceth senselesse exceptions against the Iury of the Fathers giving their verdict against him YOur Masters have told you that you disagree Reply p. 135. from the Doctrine generally received by the Fathers 1. I could tell you if it were not for manners sake that you lye notoriously You read this on the backeside of Constantine his Donation or of some of your golden legends for I am sure none of our Writers tell us so Name one if you can among our many Writers that doth acknowledge our disagreement from the Doctrine generally received by the Fathers in this point and if you cannot wee may easily judge how you will deale with the auncient Fathers when you deale thus with our late writers This is but a Iesuiticall fiction and it is evident that all our writers in combating with you about unwritten Traditions have fought against you at this weapon and have brought into the feild these champions of the truth helping to bring downe to the ground the Tower of Babel this sort of unwritten Traditions 2. Tertullian is the foreman of the Iury concerning whom the Answerer confesseth That hee was an earnest advocate for rituall Traditions unwritten and for doctrinall Traditions written c. In the opinion of the Iesuite this distinction of Rituall and Doctrinall Traditions serveth to no purpose It serveth for the true stateing of this Question It discovereth the Iesuites false stateing of this Question of Rituall Traditions onely And it sheweth his folly in heaping up a number of Fathers defending rituall Traditions unwritten for such are allowed in our Church But why serveth it to no purpose Because both of them may be Apostolicall Reply pag. 135 and are to be regarded as the written word and worthy of the same faith being delivered to the Church by the same Authors Are there no Rituall Ecclesiasticall Traditions to which you give the same credit and authority as to the written word Can those be Apostolicall Or were they delivered to the Church by the Apostles And although all Rituall Traditions were from the Apostles yet they are not to be regarded as the written word All that the Pope saith is not to be regarded as his Cathedrall voyce All that his Majesty saith is not to be regarded as his lawes and statutes The authority of things delivered may bee different although they be delivered by the same authors * Sect. 1. Divil â— the intention of the deliverer or the dignitie of the matter delivered may make the thing delivered more worthy of faith for this is certaine there may be a proposition beleeved in respect of the Author delivering yet the matter delivered may be not worthy to be an article of our faith Yet Tertullian having to deale with Hermogenes the Hereticke in a question concerning the faith presseth him with Answer the argument ab authoritate negativè * Tertul. advers Hermog â— 22. Whether all things were made of any subject matter I have as yet read no where let those of Hermogenes his shop shew that it is written If it be not written let him feare that wâ—e which is allotted to such as adde or take away The Iesuite painteth out an answer unto this and coloureth it with false glosses as if hee had gotten some relicks out of Hermogenes his painting shop It would be too tedious to lay downe all his wordes but the summe is this First this is no thing against us unlesse we should hold that Reply pag. 136. all points of faith are to bee proved by unwritten Tradition onely and none at all by Scripture For what if he presse the Hereticke Hermogenes in one point with the argument ab authoritate negativè must it follow that therefore he thought all points might be proved in the like manner The boyes of the Logicke Schoole doe know that an Inference universall is absurdly deduced from particular Premisses Hath not the Iesuite told us * pag. 126. They that deny unwritten Tradition can have no sure ground for their faith The Popes infallibility is the α and ω the formall reason and onely perswasive demonstration of a Papists faith for although materiale fidei the thing which he beleeveth be a written Doctrine yet firmale fiaei or ratio credendi the reason why he beleeveth it is because the Pope saith it He will not beleeve that there is a written word
of God and that the Scripture is that word and that these and those Doctrines are delivered in the Scripture unlesse the Church that is the Pope say it and if he say it it is beleeved because Ipse dixit Is not this an unwritten Tradition by which all points of faith must be proved He that truely holdeth the Doctrine of the Romane Church must not beleeve any point of his faith because he beleeveth the Pope hath decreed it aright in decreeing iâ— according to the Scriptures because it is in them contained but he must beleeve that it is contained in the Scriptures because the Pope saith so Is not this to teach that all points of faith must be proved by unwritten Tradition and none at all by Scripture We confesse that in humane writings this argument ab authoritate negativè is not of sufficient force because non omnia vidit Bernardus Neither in the divine writ is it of force against Rituall Traditions yet it is of sufficient force against him that holdeth any one point of faith to bee unwritten aswell as it is against him that holdeth all points of faith to be unwritten Admit unwritten Traditions and then indeede the argument ab authoritate negativè is of no force because Tradition-mongers may answer All points of faith are not proved by the Scriptures but seeing the Scriptures make use of this kinde of argument as in proving the glory of Christ to excell the glory of the Angels because a Hebâ— 1. 5. It was not said to any of the Angels Thou art my sâ—nne this day begate I thee Seeing the Fathers make use of it as b Iren. l. 1. c. 1. Irenaeus c Origen boâ— 5. in Levit. Origeâ— d Hilar. in psal 132. Hillary e August cont liâ—er Petil. l. 30 c. 6. Augustine f Hierom cont Helvid Hierome and now Tertullian Yea seeing our Adversaries themselves make use of it as g Bellarm l. 1 de Rom. Pont. c. 16. Bellarmine and the * Pag. 177. Iesuit how then can this be true that this kinde of argument is of force onely against them that hold all points of faith are to be proved by unwritten Tradition onely and none at all by Scripture In all these places it is but a particular point which is handled and all of them depend upon this universall proposition That which is not written is not to be beleeved As in this of Tertullian in which the Iesuite choppeth Logicke like one that may talke of Robin Hoâ—ds butts and never shot in his Bow In this I say the Boyes of the Logicke Schoole will not say that the Premisses are particular for then Tertullian had no skill in Logicke to argue thus Some things which are not read are to be rejected This is not read Therefore it is to be rejected Let the Iesuitâ— with all his Logicke if he have any frame Tertullians argument into a Syllogisme true both in moode and figure that we may see for our learning whether the Premisses wil be particular and the Inference universall and not rather contrary the Premisses universall and the Inference particular Thus Tertullian disputeth against Hermogenes Whatsoever is not written is accursed This is not written Therefore it is accursed In like manner we dispute out of Tertullian against unwritten Traditioâ—s by the same generall medium Whatsoever is unwritten is accursed The Traditions which we oppose are unwritten Therefore they are accursed Secondly we confesse when any thing is maintained contrary Reply p. 136. to the expresse text of the Scripture as we see in this error of Hermogenes then the argument ab authoritate negativâ— may rightly be pressed according to this example of Tertullian by you produced Some of your Traditions are of this nature as your worshipping of Images and your halfe-communion the one expressely contrary to the second commandement and the other expressely contrary to this text h Math. 26. 27. Drinke yâ—e all of this And if this answer be sound that the argument ab authoritate negativè is onely to bee prest againâ—t such things as are defended contrary to expresse Scripture why then doe the Fathers formerly named use it against such opinions as were defended not contrary to any expresse text of Scripture Tertullian in his booke De Coronâ— out of which presently you shall heare the Iesuite disputing useth this kinde of argument to prove that a Christian may not we are a crowne or garland on his head as the heathen did because the Scripture commandeth it not And yet this is not contrary to any expresse text of Scripture Why doth Cardinall Bellarmine use this kinde of argument not onely against us in the point of the Popes supremacy i Bellarm. de Roâ— Pont. l. 1. c. 16. Because it was not said to any of the Apostles but onely unto Peter Pasce oves meas But also against the Greeke Lyturgies k Bellarm de â—uâ—â— 21. l. 4. c. 13 Because many things in them are not commanded by the Lord And why doth M. Malone himselfe use it against us * Pag. 117. Where doe we read that Christ gave any commandement to his Disciples to write his Gospell And where are wee commanded to read iâ— Yet neither the writing of it neitheir the reading of it is contrary to any expresse text of Scripture Maintaine what you will as a point of Salvation that is not contrary to the expresse text of the Scripture yet if it be not written either expressely or by firme consequence in the Scripture it is threatned with a wâ—e and it may be condemned with this kinde of argument l Isa l. 1. 12. who required this at your hands not onely direct murder expressely contrary to Scripture but likewise pretended religion in burning children in the valey of Ben-hinnâ—â— is condemned by God himselfe because m Iereâ— 7. 31. It is that which hee commaunded them not Such things crosse the perfection of Scripture and are as bad as those things which crosse the verity of it In the * Seâ— that of appealing answered in the former part last place he opposeth those things which Tercullian wrote when he was not a man of the Church but an Hereticke against this which he wrote against an Hereticke Reply pag. 137 He telleth us that there be many points * Teâ—â—â— de Coronâ— Militis which wee dâ—â— hold without any testimony of Scripture onely by the tittle of Tradition defâ—nded by the patronage of Custome And if thou demaundest authority for these out of Scripture thou shalt get none at all Tradition shal be assigned for the Author use and custome for the conformer and faith for the observer of them by these examples then it shal be confirmed that the use and observation of unwritten Tradition may be defâ—â—ded Vnto this he addeth an observation of his owne Behold now how this place produced by our Answerer out of Tertullian against unwritten Traditions