it was at Samaria who art in the pride of heart And as thou saiest the Devill hath sown his crop and râ—apt his harvest and there thou art one of his servants sowing his seed and among the delusions as thou calls them foâ— that is in thy Generation which comes one of thy owne bottle which now showes out what is within issues forth this is thy own condition who seduces the people the fire is kindling and the tares are burning which makes you wicked ones to cry out and so all impostures and blasphemies are in thy generation and you are ignorantly worshipping and your grosse idolatry which thou speakest of is your owne and thou art a murderer and understandest not what thou speakest of them and God thou knowest not who deniest immâ—diate revelation from heaven but onely what thou knowest thou knowest naturally as a bruit beast which Iude speaks of and a great deal of stuffe thou hast in this Introduction which is not worth mentioning If the Reader do but read with a single eye he may see all thy confused stuffe which is not worth naming and a great deale of stuffe thoâ— hast written in discourse of the Spirit and the Holy Ghost which thou knowest not what thou speakest and of the Trinity which there is no Scripture for A Reply to an Epistle that thou wrotest to him whom thou callest Sir Robert Bindlosse THe Queries being sent to his house from Rich. Hubberthorne being his desire that they should be made publike and we do praise the LORD that deceipt is brought to light And thou sayest perhaps some satisfaction might be given to those seduced wavering soules amongst you truly I do believe they will and see your folly that under his name whom thou callest Sir Rob. Bindlosse under his name and patronage they may appear as a covert to veilâ— their imperfections But they will not vaile your imperfections Therefore R. B. to three I say be wise and feare the Lord and run not on in the broad way with such a one who doth confesse in his answer to the first querie that he doth not attain the same knowledge and understanding of the Gospell as the Apostles attained therefore thou R. Shâ—rlock thy knowledge is bruitish and thy understanding sottish as the Scripture saith for none knowes the Apostles condition and knowledge but with the same understanding and in this thou deniest it and thou art in another knowledge and understanding and art in another doctrine and the true Gospel thou dost not know and thou art to be held accursed as the scripture saith Gal. 1. and so here thou hast given satisfaction to many that stood in doubt though to all the children of light thou wast known all things shal work together for good to them that love God Rom. 8. therfore R. B. take heed what thou lets forth under thy name and fathers for if thou see a thief and consent with him thou art guilty And R. Sherlock the queries that were sent to thee thou callest them scrupulous and the Letter which was sent to thee as a Libell why doest thou slander the innocent and simplicity but of thy generation we look for no other whose mouth is full of slanders Thou slanderer in thy Epâ—stâ—e to the Lady thou slanderest privily under a colour who flatters her where thou art telling her of love and stirs her up to envy as in pag. 46. and incensing her and would stir her up against them whâ—m thâ—u callest Quakeâ—s so thou mightst as well have incensed her against Moses who was a judge over all Israel and quaked and David who was a King quaked so all that are vertuous wil own us who denieth opinions for them we deny and there thou art who livest in opinions and as thou speakest of some to strike at the root of many infections and errors which is overspread amongst you the Lord Iesus Christ hath raised up a light in his children that they are striking at your root and laying open the deceits and bringing forth his own work to his own praise and thou sayest all men do worship God and Christ with one heart and one mouth and after one manner is not only decryed but also dismist our Congregations And since the pale of Ecclesiasticall Discipline is pulled down by whose coercive lawes all men were kept within the limit of the true faith Here I charge thee to be a lyar was the true faith maintained by an outward Law and the Church and the worship of God Thou Traytor have they pluckt down the true Faith and the woâ—shâ—p of God or your old Ceremonies Thou seducer how art thou tormented by that which hath pluckt down the traditions Tremble for the hand and sword of the Lord is against thee as it was against them thou dissembler and envious one the Law was not made for the Church which is the pillar and ground of truth which worships God in the spirit but for such envious persons as thou art who hast cleared thy Church and worship here from the trâ—e Church and worship of God to the view of all honest hearts and thou art tormented because the freedome iâ— given for the libertie of tender consciences to worship God his owne way even in spirit and in truth as in Joh. 4.23.24 And thou saiest since under the name and priveledge of â—iberty of conscience licentiousnesse of opinion hath got footiâ—g and this thou seemes to Father upon the Magistrats Wee which are in the light of Christ Jesus which doth excercise our consciences towards God and man all opinions and licentiousnâ—sse we deny Therefore thy mouth must be stopt Oslâ—nderer which sowetâ— dissention for since the Lord hath opened the Magistrates understanding with the light of Christ in them the same light doth give freedome to the light in others consciences which worketh into tendernesse of coâ—science and teacheth to exercise a good conscience towards God and man and such Magistrates do not make a law over the consciences of meâ— which thou seducer and bruitish fellow wouldest have a lâ—w upâ—n but the law is against such as thou art and so thou hâ—st shewed thy selfe to be in the franticke state and Heresie which thâ—u â—alks on and many such speeches as thou hast in thy Epistle to Sir Râ—â— Bindlâ—ss as thou callest him and whereas thou speakest of your Church and hope your hope will perish and your Church and all who are in the light will be ashamed of your Church And thou art he who art of the Devil who dost promote lies â—nd untruths which is of thy Fatheâ— the Devill Joh. 8. â—4 But God is coming with his mighty power to chaine up thee thy Father the Devill the old Dragon who is the Father of lies and thou art one of his servants who blindeth the understandings of the people which are in the unbeleife and seeks to poison their affections with vanities and lying slanders and in thy conclusion thou wouldest not have him to
the spirit of love is thy generation tried for when the servants of the Lord have been moved to come into your Synagogues some hast beene stockt and wounded and imprisoned and hailed out of your synagogues And is this the fruits of your spirit Que. Whether they be not seducers that draw people from the annointing which is in them and tell them they must be taught of a man whereas the anoynting teacheth them they need no man teach them but as the annointing teacheth them and the promise is to him that doth abide in it eternally Pr. Many false prophets are gone forth Rep. Here thou hast proved thy self to be a false prophet who denies immediate revelation for whom the Lord sent forth he spoke to them immediately which thou deniest and there thou art one of the false prophets which thou speakest of and knowes nothing of the annointing who deceives the simple and ignorant the world may wonder after such but who are in the light and receive any thing immediate will see thee in the dark to be a deceiver for none in thy generation can witness that you need no man teach you but the annointing for who doth are come out from your teaching and you both And as touching Sects them we deny as thou speakest in thy answer to the fifteenth querie therefore do we see thee with that which is no Sect to be colouring and deluding people telling them thy error is truth who quotes and misapplies the Scripture to maintain thy falshood Pr. The flesh is quickened with the spirit of life to bring forth some kind of fleshly fruits 1 King 8.46 Iohâ— 14.4 Prov. 20.9 1 Ioh. 1.8 10. Eccles. 7.22 Rep. Here I charge thee to be a lier and a blasphemer in the presence of the living God let all people read these scriptures and see if there be any such thing in them and whether thou hast not misapplied these scriptures when the spirit saith it crucifieth the deeds of the flesh and walking in the spirit the lusts of the flesh is not fulfilled and here I charge thee to be a lier and of the Devill who was a lier from the beginning and in his generation thou art Qu. 17. Whether they do not bewitch the people who withdraw them from the spirit within to observe the ordinances of the world and traditionâ— of men without as the Galatians were bewitched Gal. 3.1 Pr. I must tell you that there is not only a holy and good spirit within and that in too few but there 's also an evil and seducing spirit within and that in too many even the spirit that doth bewitch men and draw them aside from the doctrines and commands of the spirit of truth and to strive by all means to draw the people off from giving heed to seducing spirits it is not to observe the ordinances of the world and traditions of men as you pervert the text but to obey the command of Gods true spirit who foretelling of false prophets and false spirits often in the word commands exhorts and admonishes to beware of such not to give heed to such and not to believe every spirit but to trie them Rep. Here in this answer thy spirit is tried which I have given to all people to read with a single eye that all may see what confusion here is in it First thou sayest that the seducing spirit drawes from the seducing spirit and in the seducing spirit thou art and from the spirit of life with the spirit of life thou art judged to be out of the doctrine of Christ nor is not guided by the holy spirit Que. 18. Whether they be not seducers which tell people these are the ordinances of God which God never commanded as sprinkling infants telling people of a sacrament which there is no scripture for and draw them from the spirit within to follow your imaginations and inventions Pr. But for sprinkling infants I have already given you the grounds of it out of scripture Rep. Here again I charge thee in the presence of the living God to be a lyar there is not such a word in the scripture to bear it out nor a word of a sacrament which there is no scripture for let all read the scripture throughout and see if they can find such a word in the scripture so let all people judge thee to be a liar and a sâ—ducer and in the devils invention which calls that an ordinance of God which is invention and imagination Pr. We are not blind-folded to follow the dictates of the spirit within Rep. Here J charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be in the flesh and to follow the flesh for who are led by the spirit of God are the sons of God and thou that dost not follow the dictates of the spirit thou dost not follow the commands of God and what hast thou to do to talk of clearing it by the scripture when there is no scripture for it and when the scripture witnesses against the works of the flesh which thy spirit stirs up Quâ— Whether you have the same spirit which was in Christ the Apostles and Prophets which gave forth the scripture seeing you act contrary to the scripâ—ures and follow your own inventions and traditionâ— and so erre from them Pr. Our ministeriall actions are agreeable to the scripture Rep. Here J charge thee to be a lyar for in thy answer to the former Quere thou sayest you do not follow the dictates of the spirit within and art holding up sprinkling infants which there is no scripture for and so walk contrary to the scripture and to them that were led by the spirit which gave them forth Que. 2â— Whether ever Christ and his Apostles did first baptize and then preach faith and repentance twenty or thirty years afterwards Pr. Christ himself waâ— not capable of faith and repentance Rep. Here J charge thee to be a lier and a slanderer for he was capable of faith and repentance and the baptisme which the Apostles baptized withall what hast thou to do with it who art holding up sprinkling infants which there is no example for in the scriptures nor in all the Apostles practises Therefore silence flesh for thou knowest nothing of the wisdome of God which the Apostle speaks of but art in the state of Simon Magus who art buying and selling the letter worse then he for he would have bought the spirit which the Apostles denied so thou art denied with the same spirit but the saints baptisme we owne and the beleevers and the promises which is to the seed thou hast cleared thy selfe from who saith Christ was not capable of faith how could he be above it and not capable of it and the life that I live is by faith of the Son of God saith the Apostle which thou hast cleared thy selfe from Que. 21. Whether ever Christ and his Apostles received 100. or 200. pounds a yeare for preaching the Gospel Pr. Many of the Apostles converts
A REPLY To a Book set forth By one of the blind Guides of England who is a Priest at Barwick Hall in LANCASHIRE Who writes his name R. Sherlock Batcheler of Divinity but he is proved to be a Diviner and deceiver of the People Which Book is in answer to some Queres set forth to him by them whom he calls QUAKERS And herein are Replies given to his Answers by those whom the world reproachfully calls QUAKERS But we do dwell in the power of the living God which makes all the earth to quake and tremble at his presence who is terrible to the wicked and is laying open and discovering the deceipts of all blind Guides Hirelings and deceivers and is making his power manifest and his name known in his people whom the world calls QUAKERS Dreadfull powerfull God! Praises to thee for ever Amen Thy Servant Richard Hubberthorne O England thy Prophets have seâ—en vain and foolish things for thee and they have not discovered thine iniquity to turn away thy captivity but have seen for thee false burthens and causes of banishment Lam. 2.14 And because thou hast hearkened unto them and not unto me saith the Lord therefore woe and misery is coming upon thee and thy Prophets LONDON Printed for Giles Calvert 1654. REader This is the word of the Lord to thee take heed unto the light Christ hath inlightened thee wiâ—hall to guide thy mind into the fear of God to the light of Christ in thy conscience I speak which if thou hearken unto it it will lead thee out of pride and lusâ— and envie and will bring condemnation upon that nature thou hast lived and acted in that is out of the feare of God and hearkning â—o this light in thy conscience it will diâ—ect thy mind to God and draw thy minâ— and affections out of earthly things and the pollutions of the world by which thou art defiled thy mind and conscience is defiled by lust and uncleannesse lusting after earthly things and the flesh is defiled by that mind that wallowes in the earth Now minding this light in thy conscience Christ hath inlightened thee withall thy understanding will come to be inlightened to see the deceipts and the blind guides which have led thee from this light in thy conscience which should exercise it and lead thee to go to fear him and to be taught of him and will lead thee from the teachings of man which keeps thee in thy sins and draw thee from this light in thy conscience which convinceth thee of sin and lets thee see sin and evill and all ungodlinesse and will bring thee to deny it and lead thee to repentance and so thou wilt come to know Jesus Christ which gives repeâ—tance and remission of sins and then thou wilt deny Priest Sherlock and all that generation of Priests who saith in the 32. page of his book that Christ was a person â—ot capable of faith and repentance And here I do charge him in the presence of the living God to be a lyer for he is the author and finisher of faith and be preached repentance and gives repentance to his people And he denies the knowledg and understanding the Apostles had and yet saith he preaches the same Gospel pag. 10. and saith that externall Tongues Arts and Sciences gives them to understand the meaning of the Gospel pag. 11. and saith that the spirit causeth fleshly fruits pag. 22. and saith that to understand the doctrine of God they must use the light of distinctions pag. 54. and saith that Religion is the art of arts pag. 86. and saith that prayer in all the parts and species thereof is a means to fetch down the holy spirit of God pag. 144. when as the Saints said the spirit taught them to pray and that they prayed with the spirit and with understanding Now to the light in your consciences I speak which will let you see these lying Priests and blind guides which have deceived you so long and kept you blind and ignorant So all people cease from them and wait upon the Lord for teaching A lover of the truth and a witnesse against the deceit and deceivers and a lover of the souls of all people and that righteousnesse might be established was I moved to write this Richard Hubberthorne A reply to a book set forth by the Priest of Barwick who writes R. Sherlock which was an answer to some Queries set forth to him by them whom he calls Quakers who writes himself Batcheler of Divinity and a Diviner he is proved Quest 1. WHether your gospel be the same which the Apostles preached and if it be why go you to Oxford and Cambridge when the Apostle saith the gospel that he preached was not after man neither was he taught it by man Pr. Thy answer is You preach the same gospel the Apostles preached but do not attain the knewledge and understanding of this gospel by the same means Rep. Here let all people see what wooden stuffe this is How can you preach the same gospel and have not the same knowledge and understanding If it be not by the same knowledge and understanding it is not the same gospel for the spirit of understanding is but one and from this spirit of understanding thou hast cleared thy self Pr. And thou sayest You ought not to depend upon any such immediate revelation from heaven as the Apostles had Rep. Here again thou hâ—st cleared thy self from the Spirit that gave forth the scriptures who denies immediate revelation from heaven and here thou hast denyed thy self to bâ— any Minister of Jesus Christ for no man knows the Son but the Father and to whom he is revealed and thou that denyest immediate Revelation thou hast denyed the Son of God and hast shewed that thou hast not life for he that hath not the Son of God hath not life And therefore we deny such schools aâ— Oxford and Cambridge where the rudiments of the world are invented and abundance of filthy words are in the answer to this Querie which are not worth mentioning Que. 2. Whether you can give another meaning to the scriptureâ— then they are or whether the Apostles did give the meaning to them when they spoke them forth yea or nay and if they did what need learned men give a meaning to them Pr. And in thy answer thou sayest The sense and meaning of the scripture is involved in it Rep. Here thou wouldest make people believe Christ were in the letter who is the substance that gave it forth and was in them that spoke it forth for the scripture doth declare another thing of God and Christ it doth not declare God and Christ is in the letter but here it is that fools might appear to be blinde and such as thou sayest learned men must give the meaning to the scripture Pr. And thou sayest that Christ took a text and that Philip took a text Rep. O thou enemy and slanderer of Christ and the Apostle Did
they take texts to get money with them and to lye a quarter of a year or half a year in a text Christ came to fulfil the scripture and the Apostle shewed how Christ fulfilled the scripture and came to fulfil that which the prophets spoke The Scribes and Pharisees were learned men and they could not open the scriptures Peter an unlearned man he opened the scriptures Pr. And thou speakest of standing up in a pulpet of wood Râ—p In the time of the Law when they read it there was a pulpet of wood to a particular people to whom the Law was given but Christ said Go preach the gospel to every creature And Christ cryed woe against them that had the chiefâ—st place in the Assemblies And here thou art one of them that would be under the Law and would have a pulpet of wood and pleads for thy learning that the scribes and Pharisees were in which is to no purpose who saith the keâ—nel of the Nut is in the shell and that comparison thou bringest to make people believe that the life is in the scriptures and so the poor people is groping in the letter to finde life there when the life was in them that gave it forth Pr. Thou speakest of flying to God by prayer Rep. Yet thou denyest revelation from heaven which the saints was to wait for the revelation of Jesus from heaven and this makes all you blinde guides to stumble because you have not the life which gave forth the scriptures which now is made manifest to the children of God Que. 3. Shew me by the scriptures who ever was made a Minister of Jesus Christ that was called of men Master In thy answer to this Querie thou bringest the Prophets and Priests under the Law called Fathers to oppose Christs doctrine Thou wouldest compare Oxford and Cambridge to such as the Prophets and Apostles yet thou denyest immediate revelation from heaven And here thou hast cleared thy self and Oxford and Cambridge from the life of the Prophets for they had immediate revelation and so thou bringest many names as Pastors and Shepherds and Ministers and Apostles and Evangelists to oppose Christs doctrine who saith Be not you called of men Master So let all see if they be not under the delusion who saith Master is a civil honour and so opposeth Christs doctrine Here thou hast shewed thou dost not believe for how can you believe that seek honour one of another and shewest that thou lovest it as the Scribes and Pharisees did would not part with it and art in thy pride and vain glory as the Scribes and Pharisees were who saith that is a civil honor and respect which Christ cryed woe against And here thou hast brought thy self all thy company under the woe and Oxford and Cambridge in the state which Christ pronounced woe against and thou art judged with the same life that give forth the scriptures Que. 4. Shew me by the scriptures where ever the Ministers of Christ took Tithes of the people or Augmentations In thy answer thou sayest The Priests under the Law received Tithes There was a time that they received Tithes and they might not neglect them as denying their Tithes to the first Priesthood There was a time after Christ when he was sacrificed up that he was preached the unchangeable Priesthood Heb. 7. then the priesthood which received tithes was denyed therfore the woe is come upon thee and all thy generation which receive tithes according to the changeable Priesthood Here thou hast shewed thy self without judgment the love of God the woe is come upon thee all thy generation which receive Tithes and hold up the changeable priesthood and so denyes Christ come in the flesh They â—hat preached the gospel which lived on the gospel denyed the changeable Priesthood which received Titheâ— but for shame you Ministers of Oxford and Cambridge stop your mouths for they must be stopt do not you sue men at the Law and imprison men for Tithes and here you shew you do not preach the gospel for it will not maintain you for them that preached the gospel lived on the gospel there thou thief art taken who hath gotten the Apostles words who art for judgement Que. 5. Shew me by the scriptures and what scripture have you which speaks of the word Sacrament which you tell the people of and deceives the simple Pr. And in thy answer to this Querie thou art confused First thou sayest there is no scripture for the word Sacrament and yet thou sayest Christ commands it and yet thou sayest there is not such a word in scripture Rep. Here thou which adds to it hast brought thy self under the plagues and wo And here let all who are in the light see if thou art not a deceiver who deceives thy soul I charge thee again that thou knowest not Christ for thou denyest immediate revelation so thou knowest not his commands nor doth not obey them for none knows the Son but to whom he is revealed and here I charge thee to be a deceiver and a deluder of the soul from the Lord This is in reply to the answer of the fifth Querie Que. 6. Shew me what scripture you have which speaks that the Apostles sprinkled infants Thou bringest the scriptures as Christ saith Suffer little chilren to come unto me and forbid them not for of such is the kingdom of God and this thou bringest to justifie sprinkling infants for circumcision outwardly was a type of circumcision inwardly So thou hast not a word in the scripture to maintain it but thou ramblest up and down and perverts many scriptures in which there is not such a word for it And here I charge thee in the presence of the living God to be a liar for Christ never commanded sprinkling infants neither is it any ordinance of Christ neither is there any example among the holy men of God that ever it was practised and the plagues of God is added to thee Let all people see if there be any word for sprinkling infants and let the scriptures which thou bringest judge thee Luke 18.15 Jer. 15.6 Luk. 1.66 80. Acts 10.47 Here I charge thee with all these Scriptures to be a liar that all these scriptures shal judg thee which thou hast brought for sprinkling of Infants let the reader of thy booke examine the Scriptures and find the a liar and all thy dirty stuffe which thou hast gaithered from them is to be troden under foot with the children of the light who wittnesse Baptisme and circumsition and new birth borne againe and all who are here do see thee to be blind deafe and a foole and there thou maiest read thy selfe let all people see thee here who art without the life of the Srripture who deniest immediate revelation from Heaven which the Apostles wittnessed and the Prophets for without God thou art eternally I witnesse it Que. 7. Shew me what Scripture you have to stand praying