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A62870 Præcursor, or, A forerunner to a large review of the dispute concerning infant-baptism wherein many things both doctrinall and personal are cleared, about which Mr. Richard Baxter, in a book mock-titled Plain Scripture-proof of infants church-membership and baptism hath darkned the truth / by John Tomes. Tombes, John, 1603?-1676. 1652 (1652) Wing T1812; ESTC R27540 101,567 110

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cor._n 7._o 14._o of_o infant_n covenant-holinesse_n in_o his_o sense_n before_o luther_n and_o zuinglius_fw-la and_o then_o ask_v be_v this_o irue_a i_o answer_v i_o think_v it_o be_v and_o if_o he_o can_v produce_v any_o one_o i_o think_v he_o shall_v have_v do_v it_o in_o his_o book_n if_o he_o do_v he_o will_v do_v more_o then_o mr._n ms._n friend_n better_o verse_v as_o i_o conceive_v in_o antiquity_n then_o mr._n b._n have_v do_v though_o attempt_v it_o page_n 21._o of_o mr._n ms._n defence_n of_o his_o sermon_n two_o place_n he_o cite_v one_o in_o tertullian_n which_o i_o have_v answer_v in_o my_o apology_n page_n 85._o the_o other_o in_o athanasius_n qu._n 114._o ad_fw-la antiochum_fw-la as_o teach_v infant-baptisme_n by_o virtue_n of_o federal_a holiness_n from_o 1_o cor._n 7._o 14._o but_o 1._o the_o author_n be_v confess_o spurious_a by_o rivet_n critic_n sac_fw-la l._n 3._o c._n 6._o scultetus_n part_n 2._o medul_a patr._n l._n 1._o c._n 42._o perkins_n preparat_fw-la to_o 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contrary_n to_o what_o the_o reform_a church_n assert_v even_o from_o 1_o cor._n 7._o 14._o that_o the_o child_n of_o believer_n be_v federal_o holy_a afore_o baptism_n and_o go_v into_o the_o kingdom_n though_o they_o die_v unbaptise_v nor_o do_v the_o allege_v 1_v cor._n 7._o 14._o prove_v that_o the_o author_n observe_v the_o gospel-ground_n more_o true_o antievangelical_a or_o jewish_n which_o mr._n m._n build_v on_o for_o the_o holiness_n in_o that_o author_n be_v mean_v either_o of_o holiness_n in_o possibility_n in_o be_v likely_a to_o be_v baptize_v because_o believe_v parent_n will_v likely_o breed_v they_o up_o in_o christianity_n and_o they_o be_v baptize_v in_o which_o sense_n tertull._n de_fw-fr anima_fw-la c._n 39_o expounde_n the_o apostle_n as_o call_v they_o holy_a not_o in_o act_n bare_o by_o descent_n from_o a_o believer_n but_o because_o designati_fw-la sanctitatis_fw-la or_o as_o hierome_n epist._n 153._o ad_fw-la paulinum_n allege_v tertullian_n de_fw-fr 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