out_o question_n be_v of_o the_o church_n visible_a more_o than_o so_o god_n may_v require_v we_o to_o come_v out_o of_o babylon_n even_o we_o that_o be_v not_o there_o for_o such_o a_o command_n be_v no_o more_o but_o to_o prevent_v our_o go_v thither_o forasmuch_o as_o the_o same_o person_n that_o be_v further_a from_o babylon_n in_o this_o present_a estate_n be_v there_o even_o there_o already_o in_o possibility_n because_o the_o holy_a man_n that_o live_v live_v in_o the_o flesh_n or_o humane_a nature_n and_o therefore_o may_v he_o be_v carry_v to_o babylon_n because_o babylon_n be_v heresy_n or_o at_o least_o include_v it_o and_o heresy_n be_v a_o fruit_n of_o the_o flesh_n by_o this_o time_n i_o hope_v his_o whole_a discourse_n as_o well_o â—hat_n be_v to_o the_o purpose_n as_o what_o be_v beside_o the_o purpose_n be_v full_o clear_v and_o satisfy_v wherein_o â—hine_v depart_v from_o the_o liberty_n of_o a_o answerer_n of_o love_n and_o desire_v to_o satisfy_v the_o reader_n chap._n 10._o our_o opponent_n b._n his_o second_o argument_n he_o urge_v we_o cap._n 9_o pag._n 37._o with_o a_o second_o argument_n conclude_v after_o this_o manner_n that_o society_n which_o want_v the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n deny_v fundamental_a truth_n direct_o not_o by_o consequence_n but_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n do_v not_o deny_v fundamental_a truth_n direct_o but_o by_o consequence_n at_o the_o most_o for_o the_o pope_n arithmetic_n which_o he_o use_v in_o calculate_v the_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v not_o subrstaction_n but_o addition_n therefore_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n want_v not_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n the_o assumption_n and_o conclusion_n be_v set_v down_o pag_n 41._o and_o the_o title_n of_o the_o chapter_n pag_n 37._o the_o proposition_n be_v want_v in_o pag._n 21_o 22._o he_o write_v thus_o our_o adversary_n in_o this_o cause_n do_v bring_v the_o denial_n of_o the_o foundation_n of_o faith_n as_o a_o medium_n to_o 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because_o i_o be_o willing_a to_o interpret_v he_o with_o the_o uttermost_a favour_n i_o will_v forbear_v to_o charge_v he_o with_o they_o he_o confine_v fundamental_a truth_n unto_o the_o be_v of_o the_o scripture_n and_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n pag._n 19_o &_o 20._o to_o deny_v fundamental_a truth_n according_a to_o he_o direct_o be_v direct_o to_o deny_v that_o jesus_n christ_n come_v into_o the_o world_n to_o save_v sinner_n as_o pagan_n turk_n and_o jew_n do_v pag._n 22._o they_o deny_v it_o by_o consequent_a which_o hold_v it_o direct_o maintain_v any_o one_o assertion_n whatsoever_o whereupon_o the_o direct_a denial_n thereof_o may_v be_v necessary_o conclude_v thus_o the_o galatian_n hold_v circumcision_n do_v by_o consequence_n overthrow_n salvation_n by_o christ_n inasmuch_o as_o it_o be_v impossible_a that_o they_o shall_v stand_v together_o pag._n 23_o 24._o according_a unto_o this_o explication_n this_o argument_n will_v be_v free_a from_o exception_n if_o it_o be_v frame_v in_o these_o term_n chap._n 11._o of_o the_o same_o argument_n new_o frame_v that_o society_n which_o want_v the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n do_v in_o word_n and_o profess_o deny_v the_o scripture_n and_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n but_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n do_v not_o in_o word_n and_o profess_o deny_v the_o scripture_n and_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n therefore_o the_o present_a romish_a church_n want_v not_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o true_a church_n his_o proof_n for_o this_o assumption_n be_v two_o the_o one_o pag._n 126._o in_o these_o word_n offer_v the_o fundamental_a word_n to_o they_o of_o the_o romish_a church_n and_o none_o among_o they_o will_v refuse_v to_o subscribe_v unto_o they_o the_o other_o be_v his_o five_o argument_n pag._n 59_o &c_n &c_n to_o prove_v the_o main_a question_n so_o desirous_a he_o be_v to_o make_v show_n of_o plenty_n that_o one_o shall_v be_v divide_v into_o two_o rather_o than_o he_o will_v be_v short_a in_o number_n in_o that_o he_o write_v thus_o in_o our_o disputation_n with_o they_o we_o do_v not_o prove_v that_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n but_o we_o bring_v it_o in_o proof_n against_o they_o pag._n 62._o and_o this_o say_v he_o be_v a_o tacit_a consent_n of_o all_o we_o that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v not_o direct_o deny_v the_o foundation_n pag._n 61._o in_o pag_n 70._o he_o write_v thus_o i_o will_v glad_o see_v the_o testimony_n of_o but_o one_o in_o estimation_n for_o his_o learning_n among_o we_o that_o ever_o affirm_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o deny_v the_o foundation_n of_o faith_n direct_o the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v not_o pass_v any_o such_o sentence_n upon_o she_o some_o of_o we_o touch_v this_o matter_n have_v write_v thus_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n deny_v christ_n jesus_n direct_o not_o by_o consequence_n only_o at_o this_o our_o opponent_n b._n pag._n 122._o grow_v very_o angry_a and_o crave_v pardon_n for_o break_v his_o long_a patience_n and_o do_v challenge_v he_o for_o a_o egregious_a contradiction_n in_o avouch_v a_o denial_n direct_v and_o by_o consequence_n and_o why_o because_o the_o foundation_n can_v be_v overthrow_v both_o by_o consequence_n and_o direct_o too_o none_o can_v overthrow_v by_o consequence_n unless_o they_o hold_v direct_o and_o no_o man_n can_v both_o hold_v direct_o and_o deny_v direct_o and_o in_o conclusion_n he_o do_v grave_o reprehend_v that_o author_n because_o he_o labour_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v guilty_a of_o such_o denial_n both_o direct_o and_o by_o consequence_n see_v such_o proof_n make_v the_o whole_a fall_n to_o the_o ground_n be_v nothing_o worth_a and_o lest_o something_o shall_v be_v want_v pertain_v to_o the_o honour_n of_o a_o learned_a disputer_n he_o give_v his_o word_n for_o all_o this_o esteem_v the_o least_o proof_n his_o great_a disgrace_n i_o answer_v if_o i_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n direct_o deny_v the_o be_v of_o the_o scripture_n and_o the_o come_n of_o christ_n to_o save_v sinner_n i_o do_v enough_o to_o satisfy_v this_o argument_n even_o by_o the_o confession_n of_o this_o opponent_n for_o pag._n 124._o he_o write_v thus_o if_o you_o can_v prove_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n direct_o to_o deny_v salvation_n by_o christ_n alone_o we_o bind_v ourselves_o to_o grant_v you_o the_o victory_n and_o you_o be_v the_o day_n if_o i_o prove_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n by_o consequence_n also_o so_o to_o deny_v than_o that_o author_n have_v make_v no_o contradiction_n by_o this_o opponent_n own_o rule_n namely_o because_o both_o of_o they_o may_v be_v true_a together_o this_o opponent_n demand_v how_o or_o where_o that_o proof_n shall_v be_v have_v and_o make_v pag._n 124._o i_o answer_v i_o will_v have_v that_o proof_n out_o of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n and_o frame_v it_o according_a to_o art_n and_o the_o rule_n of_o answer_v for_o that_o be_v my_o office_n at_o this_o time_n touch_v the_o first_o i_o answer_v to_o deny_v and_o affirm_v be_v make_v by_o voice_n and_o according_o to_o deny_v and_o affirm_v may_v be_v by_o the_o voice_n of_o humane_a reason_n or_o divine_a faith_n this_o i_o take_v as_o grant_v else_o there_o can_v be_v no_o difference_n between_o the_o heathen_a philosopher_n turk_n and_o christian_n when_o they_o all_o profess_v even_o in_o so_o many_o word_n that_o there_o be_v a_o god_n in_o the_o first_o sense_n i_o grant_v the_o assumption_n that_o be_v the_o romish_a church_n profess_v even_o in_o so_o many_o word_n the_o be_v of_o the_o scripture_n and_o the_o come_n of_o christ_n by_o the_o voice_n of_o humane_a reason_n and_o so_o far_o we_o be_v content_a to_o go_v along_o with_o this_o opponent_n but_o the_o proposition_n be_v false_a this_o we_o say_v the_o profession_n of_o
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book_n of_o god_n word_n and_o i_o will_v report_v they_o in_o order_n as_o they_o stand_v and_o thus_o he_o begin_v cap._n 3._o tota_n igitur_fw-la the_o church_n that_o be_v the_o pope_n with_o his_o council_n of_o other_o pastor_n be_v the_o judge_n of_o the_o true_a sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n in_o which_o all_o catholic_n agree_v and_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n have_v it_o express_o sess_n 4._o it_o be_v commit_v singular_o to_o peter_n and_o his_o successor_n that_o they_o shall_v teach_v all_o man_n what_o be_v to_o be_v hold_v concern_v the_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n cap._n 5._o exit_fw-la his_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o counsel_n and_o pope_n execute_v the_o office_n of_o a_o judge_n commit_v to_o they_o by_o god_n a_o judge_n deliver_v his_o sentence_n as_o a_o thing_n that_o necessary_o must_v be_v follow_v cap._n 10._o respond_v aliud_fw-la est_fw-la christian_n be_v bind_v to_o receive_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n when_o it_o set_v forth_o the_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o not_o to_o doubt_v whether_o those_o thing_n be_v so_o or_o not_o cap._n 10._o sept_n argumentum_fw-la hitherto_o he_o set_v forth_o the_o matter_n in_o gross_a and_o not_o unfold_v wherefore_o we_o must_v seek_v for_o that_o also_o and_o we_o shall_v find_v the_o same_o in_o the_o say_v 10._o chapter_n and_o first_o he_o give_v we_o a_o reason_n why_o the_o church_n shall_v have_v this_o office_n commit_v to_o she_o in_o these_o word_n the_o scripture_n for_o itself_o need_v not_o the_o witness_n of_o man_n for_o it_o be_v most_o true_a in_o itself_o whether_o it_o be_v understand_v or_o not_o but_o for_o our_o sake_n it_o need_v the_o witness_n of_o the_o church_n because_o otherwise_o we_o be_v not_o certain_a what_o book_n be_v sacred_a and_o divine_a or_o what_o be_v the_o true_a and_o proper_a meaning_n cap._n 10._o respondeo_fw-la christus_fw-la hitherto_o we_o find_v these_o author_n concur_v with_o the_o council_n in_o the_o sense_n aforesaid_a and_o thereby_o our_o assumption_n at_o num_fw-la 7._o be_v confirm_v wherein_o we_o say_v their_o church_n that_o be_v the_o pastor_n of_o their_o church_n have_v a_o office_n to_o determine_v which_o be_v the_o true_a faith_n that_o be_v what_o be_v reveal_v and_o what_o be_v not_o reveal_v and_o we_o must_v know_v that_o their_o judgement_n be_v not_o a_o private_a opinion_n but_o the_o faith_n of_o their_o church_n suarez_n say_v so_o express_o in_o the_o place_n allege_v and_o the_o thing_n itself_o do_v say_v no_o less_o of_o they_o both_o for_o they_o agree_v with_o the_o council_n and_o all_o on_o their_o side_n agree_v with_o they_o none_o of_o they_o do_v deny_v what_o they_o affirm_v if_o any_o man_n think_v not_o so_o he_o must_v show_v the_o contrary_a which_o yet_o i_o never_o find_v wherefore_o we_o need_v not_o doubt_v of_o the_o conclusion_n wherein_o we_o maintain_v that_o their_o church_n be_v the_o foundation_n of_o their_o faith_n be_v the_o thing_n we_o undertake_v to_o prove_v num_fw-la 7._o though_o this_o be_v enough_o to_o manifest_v the_o matter_n yet_o i_o will_v add_v some_o other_o proof_n from_o the_o testimony_n of_o their_o church_n to_o justify_v the_o same_o conclusion_n because_o i_o will_v have_v the_o thing_n make_v easy_a to_o our_o understanding_n as_o well_o as_o prove_v to_o be_v true_a by_o force_n of_o argument_n now_o bellarmine_n do_v all_o this_o in_o most_o plain_a and_o evident_a manner_n in_o the_o place_n follow_v the_o word_n of_o god_n deliver_v by_o the_o prophet_n and_o apostle_n be_v the_o first_o foundation_n of_o our_o faith_n for_o therefore_o we_o believe_v whatsoever_o we_o believe_v because_o god_n have_v reveal_v it_o by_o his_o prophet_n and_o apostle_n but_o we_o add_v that_o beside_o this_o first_o foundation_n there_o be_v another_o secondary_a foundation_n needful_a to_o wit_n the_o testimony_n of_o the_o church_n for_o we_o know_v not_o certain_o what_o god_n have_v reveal_v but_o by_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o church_n therefore_o our_o faith_n cleave_v to_o christ_n the_o first_o truth_n reveal_v those_o mystery_n as_o to_o the_o first_o foundation_n it_o cleave_v also_o to_o peter_n that_o be_v to_o the_o pope_n propound_v and_o expound_v these_o mystery_n as_o to_o a_o second_o foundation_n cap._n 10._o respondeo_fw-la ad_fw-la hoc_fw-la if_o any_o man_n desire_v to_o see_v this_o precept_n manifest_v by_o practice_n he_o do_v that_o also_o after_o this_o sort_n we_o be_v to_o know_v that_o a_o proposition_n or_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v conclude_v in_o such_o a_o syllogism_n as_o this_o whatsoever_o god_n have_v reveal_v be_v true_a but_o this_o god_n have_v reveal_v therefore_o this_o be_v true_a of_o the_o first_o of_o these_o proposition_n no_o man_n make_v any_o question_n the_o second_o be_v hold_v for_o certain_a truth_n among_o all_o catholics_n for_o it_o be_v ground_v upon_o the_o testrmony_n of_o the_o church_n cap._n 10._o respondeo_fw-la verbum_fw-la to_o conclude_v i_o will_v report_v another_o testimony_n of_o he_o whereby_o the_o whole_a frame_n of_o this_o build_n be_v bring_v to_o perfection_n and_o for_o that_o end_n thus_o he_o write_v a_o precept_n of_o faith_n be_v to_o be_v prove_v four_o way_n 1._o by_o express_v testimony_n of_o scripture_n with_o a_o declaration_n of_o the_o church_n 2._o by_o evident_a deduction_n out_o of_o express_a scripture_n with_o a_o declaration_n of_o the_o church_n be_v add_v thereunto_o 3._o out_o of_o god_n word_n not_o write_v by_o the_o apostle_n but_o deliver_v from_o hand_n to_o hand_n 4._o by_o eutdent_a deduction_n out_o of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n deliver_v from_o hand_n to_o hand_n de_fw-fr purga_fw-la lib._n 1._o cap._n 15._o haec_fw-la sive_fw-la neither_o be_v this_o doctrine_n bellarmine_n fancy_n but_o it_o be_v the_o romish_a faith_n for_o it_o be_v warrant_v by_o the_o testimony_n of_o all_o the_o learned_a in_o that_o church_n and_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o trent_n council_n already_o 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