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A19142 A fresh suit against human ceremonies in God's vvorship. Or a triplication unto. D. Burgesse his rejoinder for D. Morton The first part Ames, William, 1576-1633. 1633 (1633) STC 555; ESTC S100154 485,880 929

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be_v in_o scripture_n enjoin_v in_o which_o ground_n three_o error_n be_v contain_v here_o may_v a_o great_a difference_n be_v observe_v betwixt_o the_o rej._n his_o translation_n and_o suarez_n his_o word_n especial_o in_o that_o for_o those_o word_n th●y_o think_v it_o unlawful_a to_o worship_n god_n with_o any_o other_o worship_n than_o be_v in_o scripture_n prescribe_v the_o rej._n give_v these_o they_o hold_v nothing_o to_o be_v lawful_a in_o god_n service_n but_o what_o be_v command_v in_o scripture_n for_o many_o thing_n be_v lawful_a in_o god_n service_n which_o be_v not_o worship_n as_o civil_a circumstance_n etc._n etc._n 5._o after_o those_o three_o error_n the_o rej._n abserve_v suarez_n to_o speak_v of_o some_o that_o dissalow_v not_o ceremony_n in_o general_a but_o impugn_v the_o ceremony_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o vain_a and_o superstitious_a these_o no_o doubt_n add_v the_o rej_n be_v the_o protestant_n to_o who_o he_o impute_v there_o
his_o say_n our_o ceremony_n be_v not_o forbid_v by_o consequence_n only_o therefore_o they_o be_v not_o by_o particular_a word_n forbid_v the_o former_a be_v no_o reason_n the_o late_a neither_o be_v consequence_n nor_o touch_v any_o quaestion_n the_o def._n his_o second_o answer_n be_v that_o we_o may_v blush_v to_o speak_v of_o tertullian_n because_o he_o profess_v tradition_n in_o the_o same_o book_n it_o be_v answer_v that_o then_o all_o may_v blush_v which_o allege_v the_o father_n for_o that_o which_o they_o in_o other_o place_n gainsay_v the_o rejoynder_n grant_v that_o those_o need_v not_o blush_v because_o the_o father_n sometime_o be_v deaf_a and_o hear_v not_o themselves_o speak_v and_o in_o some_o particular_n leave_v their_o sound_n general_a principle_n yet_o will_v needs_o have_v we_o blush_v if_o it_o be_v not_o unpossible_a as_o his_o rejoyn_a charity_n suspect_v it_o be_v because_o they_o never_o hold_v that_o which_o we_o allege_v they_o for_o but_o how_o do_v this_o appear_v because_o they_o allow_v of_o sundry_a ceremony_n not_o praescribe_v in_o the_o word_n now_o except_o he_o can_v prove_v they_o be_v not_o as_o deaf_a on_o this_o the_o ceremonial_a ear_n or_o side_n as_o they_o be_v on_o the_o other_o or_o that_o they_o do_v not_o leave_v their_o sound_a general_n in_o the_o particular_n of_o ceremony_n as_o well_o or_o ill_o as_o in_o other_o this_o occasion_n especial_o with_o his_o affect_a exaggeration_n if_o it_o be_v not_o impossible_a and_o that_o the_o rejoynder_n can_v prove_v this_o d._n morton_n show_v in_o his_o appeal_n pag._n 324._o they_o that_o err_v in_o point_n of_o doctrine_n can_v not_o be_v altogether_o free_a from_o some_o sprinkling_n and_o spot_n of_o ceremonial_a corruption_n moreover_o how_o the_o best_a of_o those_o ancient_a writer_n allow_v of_o sundry_a humane_a ceremony_n then_o in_o use_n augustine_n show_v epist_n 119._o audeo_fw-la multa_fw-la husu●modi_fw-la propter_fw-la nonnullarum_fw-la vel_fw-la sanctarum_fw-la vel_fw-la turbulentarum_fw-la persona●um_fw-la scandala_fw-la d●vitanda_fw-la liberius_fw-la im●●obare_fw-la non_fw-la audeo_fw-la many_o such_o thing_n i_o dare_v not_o so_o free_o gainsay_v to_o avo●de_v the_o offence_n partly_o of_o some_o holy_a mind_n and_o partly_o of_o some_o turbulent_a spirit_n which_o be_v the_o very_a case_n of_o the_o best_a english_a divine_n that_o do_v so_o spare_o speak_v against_o our_o ceremony_n and_o yet_o sufficient_o insinuat_fw-la that_o they_o will_v speak_v more_o if_o they_o dare_v for_o the_o time_n how_o also_o our_o divine_n do_v not_o blush_v to_o allege_v their_o testimony_n against_o humane_a ceremon_n though_o they_o know_v that_o in_o other_o place_n they_o speak_v for_o they_o this_o may_v be_v see_v in_o d._n whitaker_n tom_fw-mi 1._o pag._n 116._o insumam_fw-la augustinu●_n n●s_o illis_fw-la paucissim_fw-la ceremonijs_fw-la content●s_fw-la esse_fw-la vul●_n quae_fw-la in_o canonicis_fw-la scripture_n 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participate_v of_o it_o by_o eat_v d._n morton_n therefore_o can_v be_v defend_v in_o say_v that_o jewel_n except_v ceremony_n for_o d._n whitaker_n his_o not_o except_v of_o significant_a ceremony_n from_o the_o negative_a argument_n may_v appear_v partly_o by_o his_o negative_a silence_n and_o partly_o by_o his_o express_a assertion_n de_fw-fr sacramentis_fw-la pag._n 203._o for_o unto_o bellarmine_n his_o assertion_n that_o the_o church_n may_v institute_v new_a ceremony_n for_o ornament_n and_o for_o signification_n he_o grant_v that_o of_o ornament_n as_o he_o do_v after_o of_o order_n but_o no_o such_o consent_n be_v give_v of_o signification_n but_o rather_o the_o contrary_a rudes_n non_fw-la sunt_fw-la ceremonijs_fw-la erudiendi_fw-la dedit_fw-la deas_fw-la scripturas_fw-la ut_fw-la ex_fw-la ijs_fw-la rudes_fw-la institutionem_fw-la necess●riam_fw-la haurirent_fw-la so_o in_o oper_n tom_n 1._o pag._n 116._o augustinus_n nos_fw-la illis_fw-la paucissimis_fw-la ceremonijs_fw-la 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euangelio_fw-la non_fw-la contentum_fw-la superstitionem_fw-la esse_fw-la imo_fw-la &_o idololatriam_fw-la vocant_fw-la fundantur_fw-la praecepue_v in_o deut._n 12._o now_o 1._o this_o can_v be_v understand_v of_o the_o anabaptist_n because_o they_o make_v no_o such_o account_n of_o deutronomie_n or_o the_o old_a testament_n as_o that_o they_o find_v any_o doctrine_n chief_o on_o that_o 2._o suarez_n himself_o in_o the_o same_o chapter_n show_v plain_o that_o he_o there_o mean_v protestant_n for_o he_o send_v the_o reader_n for_o confutation_n of_o these_o heretic_n to_o gregorius_n de_fw-fr valentia_n tom_n 3._o disp_n 6._o q._n 11._o p._n 1._o where_o he_o dispute_v against_o herbrandus_fw-la a_o protestant_n not_o a_o anabaptist_n &_o to_o lessius_fw-la de_fw-fr just_a &_o jure_fw-la l._n 2._o cap._n 43._o dub_v 4._o where_o he_o dispute_v about_o this_o quaestion_n against_o calvin_n and_o lest_o any_o man_n shall_v think_v he_o mean_v one_o kind_n of_o heretic_n there_o and_o 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and_o rejoynder_n upon_o every_o occasion_n to_o fly_v unto_o these_o as_o only_a difference_n betwixt_o we_o and_o papist_n about_o ceremony_n and_o so_o we_o have_v more_o clear_v then_o that_o for_o which_o suarez_n his_o testimony_n be_v produce_v by_o the_o reply_o namely_o that_o learned_a papist_n have_v no_o opinion_n of_o all_o
against_o the_o church_n quote_v for_o it_o renatus_n or_o ●as_v i_o understand_v he_o rhenanus_fw-la and_o doctor_n abbot_n but_o neither_o of_o these_o can_v help_v for_o rhenanus_fw-la in_o the_o argument_n of_o that_o book_n the_o coron_n mil._n defend_v tertul●●an_n about_o the_o garland_n and_o show_v he_o to_o have_v main●●ed_v the_o same_o sentence_n in_o his_o apollogie_n which_o be_v his_o master_n piece_n write_v without_o distemper_n and_o not_o equal_v by_o the_o best_a temper_a writing_n extant_a of_o the_o same_o kind_n doctor_z abbot_z speak_v sharp_o of_o tertullian_n for_o his_o maintain_n of_o ceremonial_a tradition_n wherein_o he_o be_v to_o ●e_v blame_v but_o not_o for_o his_o general_a rule_n of_o not_o borrow_v 〈◊〉_d the_o service_n of_o idol_n whereas_o the_o defendant_n and_o rejoinder_n allow_v those_o tradition_n as_o appear_v in_o this_o rejoinder_n pag_n 493._o and_o oppose_v this_o rule_n and_o it_o be_v most_o ●●rtaine_a that_o tertullian_n do_v not_o receive_v any_o distemper_n or_o ●●ctious_a disposition_n from_o montanus_n against_o ceremony_n ●●used_v to_o idolatry_n for_o montanus_n bring_v in_o the_o blood_n 〈◊〉_d child_n into_o the_o supper_n but_o about_o the_o cross_n he_o do_v ●n_v the_o judgement_n of_o doctor_n abbot_n and_o all_o our_o best_a divine_n i_o have_v somewhat_o merry_o answer_v in_o this_o passage_n ●y_a occasion_n of_o the_o rej._n his_o mention_v of_o a_o straggle_a soldier_n if_o any_o man_n will_v accuse_v i_o therefore_o est_fw-la congruit_fw-la &_o veritat_v ridere_fw-la quia_fw-la latans_fw-fr de_fw-fr emulu_fw-fr suis_fw-fr ludere_fw-la quia_fw-la socura_fw-la est_fw-la curandum_fw-la plane_n ne_fw-la rifus_fw-la ejus_fw-la rideatur_fw-la si_fw-la su●rit_fw-la ìndignus_fw-la caeterum_fw-la ubicunque_fw-la dignus_fw-la r●sus_fw-la officium_fw-la est_fw-la of_o this_o or_o ●●at_a fault_n as_o the_o rejoynder_n do_v the_o reply_o upon_o like_a ●ccasion_n tertullian_n who_o cause_n i_o plead_v shall_v 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