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A09147	The Protestants theologie containing the true solutions, and groundes of religion, this daye mainteyned, and intreated, betwixt the Protestants, and Catholicks. Writen, by the R. F. F. VVilliame Patersoune religious priest, Conuentuall of Antwerpe, preacher of Gods word, and Vicar generall of the holy order of S. Augustin, through the kingdome of Scotland. The 1. Part.	Paterson, F. William.	1620 (1620)	STC 19461; ESTC S101863	199,694	338

were they in lyke authority with the Iewes whih after the vniuersall Church did authorize by the holy Ghost for authentical Scripture vpō which authority S. Austen feared not to confirme the prayer for the dead as holy Canonicall Scripture with the Church OBIECTION LOng since of many it was doubted of the Epystle to the Hebrewes the second of S Peter the last of Daniel c. Therefore for this doubt they are not to be adiudged Hereticks who now eyther reiect them or put them in doubt ANSVVER THe consequent is denyed because the lyke raeson should follow in the lyke doubt whether they are to be baptized agayne whome Heretickes haue baptized which S. Cyprian with some others haue thought meet to be don And whether the Moysaicall law is to be obserued of Christians yea also who belieued of the Gen tils whereupon the counsell of Ierusalem was moued about these Heresies Lykwyse whether the grace of the Euagely did appertayn to the Gētils or to the Iewes only as is disputed in the Act. Apost cap. 11 For albeit the Church retayne all tymes the same one fayth yet notwithstanding by progresse of tyme and occasions as the church increaseth in her nomber so things pertinent to fayth may be amplifyed and made more ample then it was in the beginning For the Church at no tyme euer receaued for an opinion of Faith that which before she had once reiected Now those books once censured and approued by the Church it is not lawfull more to doubt of them and are in as great authority and veneration as the others bookes of Scriptures be for example For as a piece of gold in the beginning is suspected to be false and conterfeyt yet if afterwards it be tryed by the touch-stone of the Goldsmyth and found sufficient and approued of the Magistrat is receaued of the whole people goeth currant as other quoyne and is no lesse worth then any other peace of gould which was neuer suspect euen so these books of Scripture c. QVAESTIO XVII Of Traditions WHerefore are the Papists so simple as to belieue some thinges which are not expresly contayned in the Scriptures VVich they call traditions Calu. lib 4. inst cap. 8. § 8. Brent in prolog Kemnit in exam Conc. Trident. ANSVVER IT may be demanded in lyke manner wherfore Caluin lib 4. inst cap. 3. § 19. Alloweth and commendes traditions for in the ordination of the ministers of the Church he commandes as a precept the imposition of handes yet notwithstanding seing there is no commandement extant in the Scripture he himself protestes it to be necessary as his owne wordes recorde Albeit sayth he there is no commandement extant for the imposition of handes yet we doe see it to be in perpètuall vse from the Apostles and therfore that same diligent obseruation of theirs ought to be to vs as a commandement So that Caluin who before denyed traditions doth allowe of them as necessary in the ordination of the ministery whome for entrance we see led with the spirit of cōtradictiō For I say that not only these things which plainly are conteyned in the Scripture are to be obserued but also many traditions and obseruations which haue flowed and comed from Christ his Apostles which are to be retayned necessary as it were in a manner the written word it selfe Because it is found in the Scriptures Christ and his Apostles to haue delyuered many things which are not written For in the 16 of S. Iohn Christ sayes I haue many things to say to you but you cānot beare them now In which wordes he signifyeth that many things are necessary and needfull to be known to the Apostles which things out of doubt he made knowne when he appeared to them the fourty dayes speaking of the Kingdome of God his Church and of the gouernement of the Kingdome of grace and what the Apostles haue heard out of doubt they haue delyuered to the Church for her cause these were cōmunicated of our Lord to them which although they be not expressed in the Scriptures yet by tradition are delyuered Of which S. Paul speaking to the Thess epist 2. cap. 2 v. 14. stand and hold fast sayth he the traditions which you haue receaued whether by word or by our Epistle that is to say the doctryne delyuered to you whether by the preaching viua voce or by an epistle written to you Which place these venerable fathers expoundes of traditions as S. Basil lib. de S. S. Chry. Oecom Theoph. and S. Aug. epist 174. to that now sayth he which I haue rehearsed it fal so that Homousion is not found in the writtē word and yet as an article of fayth the word is defended Lykewyse the Father is called vnbegotten which is not read in the Scriptures The Symbole of the Apostles is by tradition not by the writtē word Lykewyse the obseruance of Sondy for the Saboath the baptizing of infantes ●he receauing of the Sacramēt fasting And S Luke acknowledgeth that he hath receaued by tradition what he hath written in his Euangely For if you reiect traditiōs why not also the whole wrytten Scripture by what reason is there only four Euangelists and no more And wherefore are they receaued that neuer sawe Christ and these Euangelists reiected who did see heare and were conuersant with him as Nicodem S. Thomas Thaddeus S. Peter Bartholomewe and others who haue wrytren Euangelyes and yet their written Euangelyes are reiected and these other foure are receaued who neuer did see Christ And with vs you belieue thē which are not expressed by any written word but only belieued to be true Euangelists by tradition What can be more sayd for verification of the truth then the wordes of the Apostle 2. Thes cap. 2. v. 14. Which wordes all tend for the commendation of our belief Of which S Basil l. de S. S. cap. 29. I account it Apostolicall to continue and belieue firmely the vnwriten word To whom all the Fathers are conformable For when the old Heretickes as Gnostes Marcion Cerdone Arius Eunomius Aerius Nestorius c. opposed themselues against traditions disdayning and denying them were with the whole consent of the auncient Fathers condemned as Heretickes as witnes Iraen lib. 3. Tert. de praescript S. Basil lib. de S. S. cap. 27. Epiph. Haer. 53. S. Aug. lib. 5. cont Maxim Now brother Asill what can be denyed against traditions what argument haue you for your defence for you accept no Scripture as canonicall ergo yow must proue Scripture by tradition and the other Scripture which you reiect is named apochrypha and in so doing you must allow tradition and so on euery side tradition conuinceth you and yet ye wil be oppugners and denyers of tradition I demand this if you were to conuince any man of Heresie for denying the Canon of Scripture what argument would you vse to conuince him As for example Luther in the Preface of the new testament decreed to reiect the epistle

of S. Iames for Apochripha to conuince him of this error it cannot be done by the Scripture neyther of himself because he is iudge in his own cause neyther is he to be belieued by the reuelation of his priuat spirit for all do make for confirmation of his opinion theref●re to conuince him rightly they must haue recourse to the tradition of the Church as sayes S. Aug. Serm. 191. de temp We receaue the new and ould testament in the nomber of bookes the which by authority of the Catholik Church is delyuered to vs. Moreouer this other argument is to be obserued for the Church from the beginning of the world till Moyses two thowsand yeares was without Scripture only ruled by traditions and rites of the sacrifice In the new testamēnt Christ hath written nothing neyther commaunded to wryte but well he sayth Marc. 16. vers 15. Preach you the Euangely to all creatures in which mission no precept is giuen of writing for saluation depends vpon the word of God and not vpon books neyther the written Scripture nor reuelation or prophesie c. For that cause Iraen lib. 3. cap. 4. wryteth that some nations in his tyme had the fayth of Christ and yet no Scripture Where is it found in the Scripture to reiect traditions But this is the cause why you withstand all traditiōs for these being banished easily you may peruert and glosse the Scriptures and apply them to your own myndes which traditions of the holy Church stād out against you for the clearing of the verity and will not suffer the Scriptures to be corrupted with your fansies which corrupt interpretations permitted and suffered we shall see you follow traditions and consequently your owne inuentions to be for holy Scripture for the first part is probable for Caluin himself approueth the traditions of the Iewes commenting in the 104 Psal sec 18. Many things remayned amōgst them by successiue tradition which were godly and necessary for them of the which no mention is made in the Scriptures Out of which place it followeth that Caluin willingly would Iudaize and as concerning the following of their owne senses in reiecting the traditiōs of the holy Ghost to erect their own traditions contrary to the written word I would most willingly be satiefyed by what reason eyther spirituall or morall why you Puritans vphold and set vp traditions as the pillar of repentance denigrate and made black and sinners to stand there to the spectacle of the whole Church with the showing of their heades at the crosse bound with yron chaynes in tyme of Market your sackcloth at the Church doore and carting of poor women thorow the city of whom haue you learned to punish fornicators by this ignominious punishement Others by the purse and to pardon some who are fatt and to execute rigor vpon the poor From whence haue you receaued that tradition in your prayers to hould your noses in others tailes and to ly groaning on the ground after the manner of the Iewes From vvhence is that tradition to fast on sondayes and feast on frydayes and to work on Christmas day and other Sainctes dayes and to obserue monday suter sonday for holy day These a thowsand more are the Puritanes traditions of their owne inuentiō vvithout any Scripture or vvrittē word and yet not vvithstanding they vvill abolishe and condemne all traditions and yet vvill set vp and authorize traditions of their owne authority contrary to the law of God and all Scripture and tradition of any age before passed OBIECTION THe Lord sayth Deut. 12. vers 32. What I cōmand thee do thow that vnto the Lord only neyther shalt thou add any thing neyther diminish Therefore traditions are superfluous and in vaine ANSVVER IF this argument were auaileable neyther the Prophets nor the Apostles ought to haue writtē any thing after Moyses for vvhat the Prophets haue vvritten are not conteyned in Moyses neyther vvhat the Euangelists Apostles haue wryten are contayeed in the old testament but generally and implicite In lyke sorte traditions are contayned in the Scripture implicite vvhē Christ sayd Luc. 10 v. 16. Who heareth you heareth me Therfore the sense of these vvordes vvhich sayth that thou shall add nothing nor diminish is that thou shalt add nothing repugnāt vnto those things vvhich are commaunded in the Scripture In this same sense sayth S. Paul Gal. 1. v. 8. Whether we or an Angel frō Heauen euangelise to you otherwise then that which we haue euangelized let him be accursed For that praeposition praeter is asmuch to say as cōtrary for otherwaies should he be contrary to himself who added many things as his epistles witnes And lykewyse S. Iohn after he had written the Apocalyps and Euangely who threateneth the same curse should fall in the same sentencē in adding to his Epistles in which are many precepts traditions which are not contayned in the Apocalyps and Euangely c. OBIECTION THE Scripture is a Rule to belieue therefore it ought to contayne all things which are to be belieued ANSVVER THe Scripture is a Rule to belieue but not adequat and a right Rule because the right Rule is the word of God whether written or delyuered by Tradition OBIECTION THese things are written that you may belieue that Iesus is the Sonne of God and that belieuing you may haue lyfe in his name But all things writen serue to belieue in Christ therefore all beliefe is written ANSVVER SAinct Paul sayes that Abel Enoch Noe Abraham Isac Iacob Heb. 11. had vndoubtedly true fayth yet they had no Scripture writen Againe the primitiue Church at least tenne yeares after Christ had no Scripture written who will say but that they had true faith Againe these are not conteyned in the written word to vvit the consubstantiality of the Trinity the procession of the holy Ghost the virginity of the most blessed Virgin Mary the baptising of children and the not rebaptising of them who are baptised of Heretickes the breaking of the Sabaoth keeping of Sonday the obseruing of Easter the receauing of the Sacraments fasting the eating of blood strangled meares prohibeted in the Law and Euāgely Act. 15 But I would know of the Protestātes what Scripture they haue for women to singe Psalmes and to glosse on the Scriptures in the Church at home and in the tauernes What Scripture haue you for your pillary crosse steeple repētance seat carting and showing of poore women for the sinne of fornication for these things you haue no Scripture but must build vpon traditiōs eyther true or false QVAESTIO XVIII Of the certitude of Hope WHerefore doe the Papists deny that our Hope is with certitude seing it is written that Hope maketh vs not ashamed but bringeth with it certitude and confidence Luth art 10 11. Caluin lib. 3. instit cap 2. § 16. ANSVVER WHat certitude assured hope can the Protestants haue in our Sauiour if they defend and abyde in the principall poincts of their

the most sacred and true Ghospell By the testimonie of this doctrine I will iudge all men Angels Lykewyse Luth. Tom. 2. Tom. 5. ad Gall. cap. 1. fol. 290. sayes the same I am assured Christ himselfe doth call me an Euangelist and approueth me his preacher Lykwyse Calu. de vera Eccl. reformat rat 463. de libro arb cont phigium lib. 1. pag. 192. sayes that the matter it self not Martin Luther in the begiuning did speake but God to haue thundered out of his mouth and not we to speake now but God to vtter his power albeit each one of these are repugnant to other yet are secure of their owne opinions to proceede from the holy Ghost Moreouer they impugne this article who derogate from holy Scripture the authority due therto by inspiration of the holy Ghost of the which Zuing. tom 2. Elench cont Anabap. fol. 10. sayes that although Paul did arrogate so much to his epistls as to think all in them cōtayned to be authentical which is to impute to the Apostls immoderate arrogancie whereupon it concludes Zuingl to haue the assurance of the holy Ghost and no● S. Paul But Ochinus lib. 2. dial pag. 154.155.156.157 proceedes further saying we should belieue no more thē the Sainctes of the old testament Hereby we see the whole new testament is discredited and misbelieued Some other Hereticks were more curteous in abridging and excluding some partes of it but not all And what Ochinus alloweth Luther disproues saying Sermone de Moyse Let not Moyses be thrust vpon vs we in the new testament will neyther regard nor hear him Et Iacob Curio in Chronol ann 1556. pag. 151. sayes that he had rather neuer preach then to propoūd any thing out of Moyses and he that doth alledge any thing of his doth depriue Christ of the harts of men And that Moyses belongs not to vs that he receaueth him not for otherwyse he should receaue all the Iewish ceremonies that his gouernemēt is failled himselfe is dead that Moyses only belongeth to the Iewes and not to Christians Et Sand. de schism Aug. lib 2. pag 272. reporteth Buccerus to say If all be true which the Euangelists set down Christ must be truely and really in the Sacramēt yet whether we be bound to belieue absolutly euery thing set down by them to be true or no he would not be iudge To conclude this is their designe what they list to belieue that they will belieue that they make the inspiration of the holy Ghost to be holy Scripture and themselues Euangelistes and true and what displeaseth their mynds be it in the new or old Testament they can raze reiect affirme it apochriphal neyther in this are they satisfyed but perswade themselues that the holy Ghost himself could suggest or teach nothing but what Christ before had delyuered by mouth and such restraint limitation to be heedfully noted This Caluin lib. 4. inst cap. 8. § 8 howsoeuer Christ foretould the contrary of the holy Spirit Morouer what is sayd of impugning of Scriptures which is a misbeliefe against the holy Ghost in that there are few Protestantes who haue not denyed some part of Scriptures Moreouer the holy Ghost is misbelieued and impugned when traditions of the Church are denyed although they be not all extant in the Scripture as the name Trinity the consubstantialitie of persones the obseruation of Sonday for the Sabboth the baptising of infantes the receauing of the communion fasting and the feast of Easter c. Which traditions the holy Church acknowledges to haue issued from the holy Ghost according to Christ his promise that he should not only teach but also suggest all truth Moreouer the Protestantes impugne the holy Ghost when they impugne miracles which are done by the power of the holy Ghost and not by the Diuell S. Aug. in quaest ex vtroque test quaest 102. proueth that they sinne with the Pharisies in the sinne against the holy Ghost for there is no miraculous operations but they appertaine to the working of the holy Ghost Moreouer the Protestantes impugne that article to wit the Catholicke Church who cannot abyd the name Catholick nor the name of Church but rather tearme it congregatiō which properly belongeth to beastes Of this see more in the first question and in the twelft vpon the note Catholick Moreouer they misbelieue the holy Ghost who affirme the Church may err in any point of beliefe not accounting of the promise of Christ who had sayd that the gates of Hell should neuer preuayle against it Matth. 16. Luc. 22. Iohn 14. Act. 2. that is to say the faith therof should neuer fayle and the holy Ghost the teacher of all truth should perpetually remayn with it to keepe the spouse of Christ vnspoted and without all wrinkle and this Church is the Church of Rome as the sectaries themselues professe neyther deny they but in this Church is vniuersality consent antiquitie as Fox acts pag. 1359. Iewelrepl cont Hard. part 4. diuis 14. 21. pag. 249. 268. Cal. lib. 4. institut cap. 2. § 2.3 Also considering that in no other prosession is the lyk holines of lyfe and vnity in doctrine which accompany one another as good and bad fruit of a good and a bad tree No heresie that euer hath been can make comparison with the Catholicke Roman Church eyther for holynes of lyf or integrity of doctrine As for their doctrine we may easily consider to what holynes of lyfe●t tends as their owne Rabbins shall testimony giue And first Caluin iustruct contra Laber● cap. 13. Hath any man coueted his neyghbours wyfe let him inioy her if he cā for he knoweth assuredly he doth not contrary to the will of God Let him boldely snatch by force or fraud his neyghbours substance for he will take nothing vnles God wil and approue it Lykwise Zuingl ●om 1 in actis disp Tigurinaefol 628. God hath bound himself to giue vs Heauen we need not trauail to at tayn it And as for fruites ensuing such doctrin Luther sayes Tom. 1 inc 8 Mat. They speake of the ghospel as if they were Angels but if you regard their workes they are rather diuels J in nari in 1. Cor. cap. 15 fol 161 162. They liue lyk hogges as dogges they die Lykwyse Calu. descand pag. 118 127 128. Our preachers I say our preachers who enter into the pulpit are eyther of wickednes or other euils more filthy examples then Pagans are and such forsooth as are to be cōtēned of the people and to be pointed at in di●isiō I admire the patience of the people that womē childrē do not load them with myre and dyrte Lykwyse Zuing tom 1 fol 115. We cānot deny but the heat of the flesh is ardent with vs whereas the workes thereof hath made vs infamous to all Churches Morouer the Roman Church hath stability and constancy in her whol doctrine in her Sacramē●s and Scriptures But the