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A75768 Ishmael, and his mother, cast out into the wilderness, amongst the wild beasts of the same nature: or, a reply to a book entitulled, The scriptures proved to be the word of God, put forth by one of Ishmaels children, who calls himself a minister of the Gospel, and a pastor of S. Austins and Savours parish in Norwich; but is clearly made manifest by the light of God in his servants, to be a scoffer, and an enemy to the Gospel, which the saints of God are ministers of, and sufferers for, by such as hee is, who Ishmael-like, hath laid his folly open, and is discovered to the faithful, who are of Abraham, and of the seed of promise. Also, a cleer distinction between the minsters of Christ, who are of the seed of Abraham, and the priests of this generation, who are of Ishmaels root; who with the truth are plainly made manifest, by the light of Christ in us, who for the testimony of God do suffer by the sons of Hagar, and this generation of priests in Notwich [sic]: ... / Given forth from the spirit of the Lord in us that do suffer in the goal of Norwich for the truths sake, ... Christopher Atkinson, George Whitehead, Iames Lancaster, Thomas Simonds. Atkinson, Christopher. 1655 (1655) Wing A4127; Thomason E830_3; ESTC R207430 13,494 15

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as thou may read Mat. ii 27. here thou hast plainly shewn thy self to be both without the knowledge of the Father and the Son who art in thy mediate naturall knowledge which from the light which comes from Christ is erred and with it to be condemned thou dreamer what hast thou to do to profess thy selfe a Minister of the Gospel who art but yet in thy mediate natural conceivings when the naturall man knows not the things of God for they are Spiritually discerned so we from God is unto thee thou deceiver who would make people believe that that which is naturall and carnall is the foundation of Faith and obedience and so would bewitch people with thy lyes to draw them from the annointing within to obscure something without them as they did that would have drawn away the Galathians from the Spirit as thou mayest read Galath 3. Priest And whereas thou sayest in the third Page that thou wilt reason with us and tells ùs that we did acknowledg the Scripture to be truth which in the page before thou did deny and thus is making thy folly manifest who saith that it is our judgment that we are perfect and free from Sin which thou never heard us affirm but these thy lyes will clearly be made manifest by the Scriptures which thou calls thy foundation of faith only rule of obedience by which thou shalt be judged for Christ saith unto them whom he taught be yee perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect Matthew 5.28 Ans But thou and thy generation hates this and sayes that there is no perfection to be attained here Oh thou blinde guide did Christ ever command any thing that might not be accomplished or did he speak of being perfect not till after death here thou dost deny the very end for which Christ came who came to take away Sin and in him is no Sin Mat. i. 2i i Iohn 3.3 4 5 6. and i Iohn 5. i8 here thou hast plainly made it manifest that thou art without Christ and his knowledg and in Antichrist now what the Scripture speaks in our meafure do we witness concerning these things and thee we do deny and all thy generation thou enemy of God who doth pervert the Scriptures and wrest them to thy destruction and here with the light that never changed art thou to be condemned from God and all the Children of God Priest Another of thy lyes is made evident thou slanderer who art not ashamed impudently to affirm that we deny the power of the Magistrates in the matters of God and that we speak not evell only of Governors but of Government and condemn the Ministers of the Church of England and despise them as salse teachers and say they know nothing of the true light and say we condemn them for preaching for hire and sayes we deny Ministers should take any wages for their works Ans The powers that are of God ordained we own in our souls and for Conscience sake are subject to them and such as rule wel in the things of God without respect of persons which respects of persons is contrary to Scripture such we say are worthy of double honor and such our souls are subject to for such executed the Law upon transgressors and encourage them that do well and their honor lyes not in a hat or bending of the knee which is nothing but filthiness which thou and thy generation upholds but the honor and subiection to him that ruleth wel is in our souls as it is written Rom. i3 i. and here thy lyes and thy slanders we do deny and charge it upon thee from the Lord to prove where ever we were not subject unto the power of Magistrates as it was of God or where ever we spoke evill of Governors or of Government thus art thou found with lyes in thy right hand thou enemy of God and where thou sayest we condemn the Ministers of the Church of England the Ministers of Christ we own but such as thou art we deny who seek for your gain from your quarter and such as call Steeple-house Church and letter word and foundation and light and rule when Christ saith he is the way and he is the light and he is the foundation and he is the word which was before the Letter was i Iohn i. 9. and Iohn 3. and Rev. i9 i. Cor. 3. i2 and here again we do deny all such as say that sprinckling of Infants is the Baptism and the seal of the Covenant as thou Sampson Townsend did affirm and take i2 pence for sprinkling of a poor prisoners child here in this prison of Norwich the sixteenth day of the eleventh Month and the Scripture saith that the Baptisme is with one Spirit into one body and the baptisme is but one and the Church but one which is in God as thou may read Ephes 4.5 6. and i Thes i. and here thou and thy Church and thy Baptisme is shut out of Scripture and with it judged and with the light condemned to be all upheld by such sottish blind guides as thou art Priest And again thon sayest that the Ministers of England speaks nothing but what is according to the Law and the Testimony of God in his word which is the rule to try all teachers by and thou sayest that this our Iudgment is contrary to Tit. 2.15 Ans Whosoever read that Scripture will condemn thy blindness in these things who hast pretended thy self a teacher of others and yet shut up in perpetuall darkness thou blind sot where is it said in all the Scriptures that the Letter is the rule to try all reachers by or where doth it ever say that the Saints did ever try the Spirits by the Letter or how canst thou prove that ever it was called by the Saints the only rule of obedience or a written word of God with these thy lyes thou and thy generation hath deceived the blinde and simple taking their money for that which is no bread making them believe lyes instead of truth Oh ye enemies of God how long will ye despise the truth if Scripture had not been these your filthy lyes would have gone forth as truth to those that are in darkness but praised be the Lord who hath discovered your filthiness and laid you open with his light from which the Scripture was spoken by which light we read you in the Scripture to be among the false Prophets in their steps and in the wayes of the Pharises and now finding you in the latter times your condemnation is justly related in the Scriptures who go in the way of Cain and run greedily after the error of Balaam as thou may read Iude. 4.10 11. and 2 Tim. 3.2 3 4 5 6. Priest And again thou sayest that Christ and his Apostles gave strong reasons for their maintenance and to prove it thou brings those Scriptures Mat. 10 1● 〈◊〉 10.7 Ans Let all that read those Scriptures judg thee by me to be a
lyar who formerly hast testifyed that the Scripture was the word of God and thy rule and foundation and now calls it reason which from reason was never spoken but holy men of God spoke them forth as they were moved by the holy Ghost now the Apostle which was a Minister of Christ never took wages of the world neither did he compel them though to them he preached the Gospel and though he robbed other Churches yet he robbed not the World neither took he wages of the world nor hired with them for a certain time as thou and thy generation do and this was his boasting to cut off offences 2 Cor. i3 9 10.12 but with the light of God in the offences we finde you who take wages of the World contrary to the Apostles whose practises judges you to be without their life whose entrance unto the Thessalonians he plainly doth declare that it was neither for pleasing men neither of deceit nor guile nor a clack of covetousnes neither was their Gospel burthensom as thou may read i Thes 2 3 4 5 6. contrary to which thou and thy generation art found in the steps of them the Prophets Christ and his Apostles cryed against as thou may read Is●● 56. and Ier. 5 and Mic. 3. and Mat. 23. and 2 Pet. 2. and Iude. 11. And this is the Gospel the Apostles preached which is witnessed by the same Spirit which to thee is hid and all thy generation who out of their steps are found walking in the steps of the false Priest Again thou sayest the Apostle intimates that God is mocked when His Ministers are not maintaintained and thou sayest that God will not be robbed Ans Here is another of thy lyes who perverts the Apostles words and 〈…〉 thy lyes to Scripture when there is not such a word in all the Apostles words as intimate but thou and thy generation are seen to be both thieves and robbers who enters not in at the dore but climbs up another way in your inventions consequences and Imaginations which are here plainly seen and discovered to them that enter in at the dore and for dishonest gain you destroy Souls 〈◊〉 22.25 26 27. and as a Troop of Robbers waite for a man so do the company of Priests murther by consent Hosea 6.9 and are found Robbers of God as the false Prophets were who in the time of the Law took tythes and did not bring them to the store-house as thy generation now do as thou may read Mal. 3.8 9 10. Priest And thou sayes thy design according to promise is to prove the Scriptures to be the word of God the only ground of faith and rule for our obedience which thou sayest thou presented us with and bids us read it examine it if it be not truth witness against it by truth if it be so as undoubtedly you wil finde it truth as thou sayest and so bids us submit to it be ruled byit and undoubtedly our bodies shall be freed from our deserved imprisonment Ans We have read it and examined it and thee both and have found thee to be a lyar and a denyer of the Word and of the rule and of the foundation which is Christ and with that which thou calls the rule and word and foundation art thou judged and with the light thou art seen to be a wrester of the Scriptures and thy Rotten foundation being already to fail thee for it is among the blind Watchmen and greedy dumb Doggs and hire lings and among the thieves and robbers and among the Doggs and swine and filthy dreamers which the Scriptures speaks of as for our deserved imprisonment here thou lyar do we challenge thee and them that imprisoned us to prove the breach of any la wby us for they that did imprison us as many can witness could not charge us with the breach of any Law but by their wills to maintain such dumb shepheards as thou art for for the truths sake which witnesses against thee and all thy generation do we suffer for which thou and thy generation never did suffer imprisonment nor persecution of the world for ye are of the world and the world speaks well of you and heares you as it did of your Fathers the false Prophets 1 Ioh. 4 5 and Luk. 6.26 drunkards swearers lyars and thieves speaks well of you and fights for you and loves you and pleads for you and there is your fruits and freedome from our imprisonment will we never speak for in yeilding to thy lyes and false accusations as is plainly here laid open Priest And thou sayest from thy study Ianuary 29. Ans Here thy filthy rotten stuft which thou hast been such a long time of gathering together in thy study it s tryed and seen to be fewel for the fire and thou art seen to study divinations of thy own brain and to be an inventer of lyes contrary to Scripture and where did ever any of the Saints go into a study and rake up such filthy stuff and invent such lyes as thou art disaproved in with that which thou calls thy word thy foundation and only Rule of obedience Here let the life of all the holy men of God judg thee to be both shut out of their life and out of the Scriptures Having returned answer to the former part of thy retten stuff Sampson Townsend wherein thy lies and deceit is uncovered to all them that have eyes to see may see thy nakedness and thy shame laid open now for the Simple ones sake which thou by thy lyes and divinations makes a prey upon and through thy covetousness makes Merchandise of who pharisee-like would neither enter into the Kingdom thy self nor suffer others to enter in now for their sakes are we moved to unvaile thee and thy deceit that they that see not might see thee in thy lyes and wresting the Scripture as thou hast also made it appear in the latter part of thy book wherein thou sayest Priest That thou hast undertaken against the Quakers these two propositions i. that the Scriptures contained in the Old and New-Testament commonly called the Bible is the revealed will and word of God 2. That the Scripture which is the word of God is the only foundation of our Faith and only rule for our obedience which thou sayest thou wilt prove 1. by Scripture 2. by reason and thou sayest that he that will not heare the voice of Scriptures is an Infidell and he that will not heare the voice of reason is a beast Answer We who in scorn by thee and thy generation are called quakers do own Scriptures but thee we utterly deny for an evill Beast whose mouth must be stopped Tit. i. 10 11 12. who in thy filthy reason art going about to maintain those things which thou canst not prove by any plain Scripture but to it art found adding in thy reason and thy invention and thererefore the plagues that are in it written is thy portion and the Lake
which is the portion of all lyars as thou art Rev. 21.8 Rev. 22.18.19 Priest Again thou sayest that the Scriptures ought to convince us as Christians reason as rationall men Answer They that are Christians do see and comprehend thee and thy reason thy faith thy obedience thy rule thy foundation to be without the foundation and the word which was before thy inventions was and before Tuball Cam the inventer thy father was in whose condition thou art and the word and foundation and the way was before the Beast and and false Prophet was which thou art Isa 9.15 16. and this rule and foundation and word did Moses David and the rest of the holy men of God witness who spoke forth Scripture which thou calls the word rule and foundation 1 Cor. 3.11 Psal 18.2.31.3 Here thou would make Moses David and the rest of the holy men of God who spoke forth Scripture blind like tey selfe both without the word rule and foundation Priest Now to prove the Scripture the word of God thou brings Exod. 20.1 Levit. 10.3 and many other Scriptures thou brings to the same effect how God spake these words Answer Thou blind sot we challenge thee in the presence of the living God to prove in any of these Scriptures that the Scriptures are the written word of God or else stop thy mouth thou evill Beast and slowe belly dost thou make no disterence between the word and these words and here again wee charge thee to be a lyar and an adder to Scripture Priest And thou brings these Scriptures Isa 24.3 and Psal 12.5 and other Scriptures to the same purpose how the Lord saith and thus saith the Lord and Jer. 1.1 2.4.9 the words of Ieremiah to whom the word of the Lord came Answer And the word of the Lord that came to Ioel Amos and others thou dreamer doth ever Isaiah Ieremiah or David or Ioel or Amos or any of the holy men of God say that the Scripture is the written word whenas God who is the word Iohn 1. spoke these words unto them whose voice thou never heard who spoke unto them before the Letter was written which is a declaration of what the word spoke unto them or was that paper and Ink or could it be contained in paper and Inke which came to the Prophets whenas Ieremiah saith the word is fire in his heart and a burning shut up in his bones and a hammer that breaks the rocks Ier. 20.9 Ier. 23.29.30 and behold I am against the Prophets saith the Lord that steal my word every one from his neighbors and behold I am against the Prophets saith the Lord that use their tongues and say he saith and behold I am against them saith the Lord that profess false dreams and tell them as thou dost and cause my people to erre by their lyes and by their lightness yet I sent them not nor commanded them therefor they shall not profit the people at all saith the Lord and there thou art among the false Prophets and dreamers which Ieremiah who witnessed the word cryed wo against such Pastors as thou art Ier. 23.1 Priest Thou sayest thou shalt not need to mention the sayings and doing of our Saviour Christ which are frequently recorded in the New Testament and hence it is called the word of Christ and thou bring that Scripture Coloss 3.16 let the word of Christ dwel in you Answer Here again we challenge thee to be a lyar and an adder to the Scripture dost thou make no difference between death and life for Christ saith my words gives life and it was by his word that the dead was raised Iohn 11. now that which Matthew Mark Luke and Iohn wrote of Christ could not give life for that is called a Declaration of those things which was freely delivered among them Luke 1.1 and that thou calls the word which is death and killeth as thou may read 2 Cor. 3. and Paul was a Minister of the New-Testament and not of the Letter which thou calls the New Testament ver 6. and this word which dwelt in the Saints they did neither call the Bible nor the Letter as thou dost here thou hast manifested thy selfe to be a blinde guide both ignorant of the Word and the Letter Priest Thou sayest that it is all one to say the Scripture saith and God saith Answer Thou blasphemous beast dost thou make no diffrence between the Scripture and God or is the Scripture God when the Scripture saith God who is the word was in the beginning and by him was all things made and this was before the Scripture was written Iohn 1.1 which thou would make thy God of and here let all that reads this see thy blasphemic Priest Again thou sayest the word Scripture is put for God speaking in the Scripture and thou brings Ioshua 1.5 Answer Let all that reads that Scripture Iudge and condemn thee to be a Lyar for it speaks not such a word as God speaking in the Scripture Priest Again in the same page thou sayest that all the rest that is written in the volume is but a comment or exposition of those ten precepts Answer Thou diviner where dost thou prove such a Scripture as comment was that which the Prophets Christ and his Apostles spoke out a comment or exposition here again we charge thee Priest Townsand to be an inventer and a deviser of lyes which thou hast no Scripture for Priest Again thou sayest that thus it appeares that the Scriptures are the word of God because God writ them and caused them to be written Answer That which is written is the Letter which is death and killeth 2. Cor. 3.16 but the word is living Heb. 4.12 there again with the Scripture thou art disaproved to be a lyar Pr. Again in another page thou sayst that the Scriptures are called the counsel of God the will of the Lord the mystery of Gods will and thou bring these Scriptures Rom. 3.2 1 Pet. 4.11 Acts 20.27 Psal 33.11 and Pro. 19.21 Ephes 5.17 and to conclude this thou sayest that God himself calls the Scriptures his word and to maintain that thou brings Zach. 1.6 Ans Let all that reads these Scriptures see thee to be a perverter of Scripture and adds thy inventions to them for they that spoke forth these Scriptures knew the Counsell of God and the mystery and the Gospell which to thee is hid whom the God of this world hath blinded thy eyes and out of the mystery and Gospel and rule and foundation thou art with that which thou calls the only rule and word and foundation art thou iudged and with light seen and condemned to be an inventer of lies and a deceiver of the blind but no further canst thou proceed for thy folly shall be made manifest to all men Priest In a second reason of thine thou sayest the antiquity of the Scriptures do clearly prove them to be of God for man could never write of things done before he