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A44841 The Quakers house built upon the rock Christ Wherein neither their doctrines, principles, nor practices can be confounded, not disproved; being neither damnable, nor pernitious. As Samuel Hammond hath falsly affirmed in his book called, The Quakers house built upon the sand: or, a discovery of the damnablenes of their pernitious doctrins, in his answer to G.W. which to prove, he lays down seven grounds of delusion, and five arguments of damnable doctrine. But in this answer his seven grounds is proved false in themselves, ...; and his five arguments is proved to be his own false positions, ... as first, he lays down false positions, and then proves them false; and then boasts, as if he had proved our doctrines or principles false: the truth of which is herein clearly made manifest, and wherein he falsly accuseth us, he is justly guilty himselfe. Also the ten fundamentall principles or doctrines of the hireling priest-hood, ... By a servant to the Church of Christ, ... Richard Hubberthorne. ... Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1659 (1659) Wing H3227A; ESTC R221606 34,515 47

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the Fruits by which they were manifest to be reprobates Let all people of understanding judge whether we or thy Generation of Priests be more guilty and then they will know the Tree by the Fruit as ver. 29. And as for thy charging of us as not being able to distinguish this is but thy false accusation for the Lord hath given us of his spirit whereby we are able to distinguish and discerne of things that differ And that righteousnesse which is wrought by Jesus Christ in us is to us a seale of that righteousnesse which was wrought in the Person of Christ and of that which in his blood is imputed to us for justification And whereas thou saith That we confound inherent and imputed Righteousnesse that is but thy reproaching of us And here thou art erred from the forme of sound words for the Scriptures doth not use these words to distinguish of Christs righteousnesse as inherent and imputed though by thy meaning that which is wrought in us by Christ thou wilt call inherent and that which was wrought in his Person without us imputed but this I say unto thee That if thou continue ignorant of Christ and his righteousnesse within thee thy imputing of him and his righteousnesse without will not save thee And while thou keeps people from Christ within them and his righteousnesse within them thou keep● them from that mistery which the Apostle Preached amongst the Gentiles which had been hid from ages and generations but now is made manifest to the Saints which is Christ in them the hope of glory Col. 1. 26. 27 and this is your work by your Preaching and Printing all of you in that Ministery who are erred from the form of sound words into your own imaginations in this age to hide the riches of the glory of this mystery from the people which is Christ in them the hope of glory and you would keep people in the sound of a report of Christ in words and from his life by which the saints was saved and the life of Christ was made manifest in their mortall bodies 2. Cor. 4. 11. But Samuel Hammond affirmes as his Principle or Doctrine in pag. 10. of his Book That the Scripture sends us to the right hand of God to Christ not to Christ in us Neither doe I know saith he any word of Scripture that bids us goe to the light in us though it should mean Christ in us that is the work of grace in us And to prove it he brings Col. 3. 1. Heb. 12. 2. Ans. As I said before it is my work and calling to instruct the ignorant and him that is out of the way Seeing that he saith that he knows not any word of Scripture that bids us goe to the light in us though it should meane Christ in us that is the worke of grace in us If he stand upon these very words Goe to the light in us neither doth the Scripture say Goe to the right hand of God to Christ but as it saith that Christ is at the right hand of God and sitteth at the right hand of God and that they must seek those things which are above where Christ sitteth Col. 3. 1. so the Scripture saith likewise that Christ is within Col. 1. 27. And this was the Mystery the Apostle Preached and the Apostle saith Know you not that Christ is in you except ye be reprobates 2 Cor 13. 5. and likewise he declares of the light in them 2 Cor. 4. 6. For God who commanded the light to shine out of darknesse hath shined in our hearts to give the light of the Knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ so the light which shined in their hearts did give them the light of the Knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ And David said that he had hid the Word in his heart And that the Word was a lampe to his feet and a light unto his paths Psal 119. 11. and ver. 105. so here was light within and by this light within he was guided and by this light within they did not confound inherent and imputed righteousnesse as he calls it as he falsly accuseth us to doe And the Apostle Peter directs them to the light within and saith We have a more sure word of Prophesie unto which ye doe well to take heed as unto a light that shines in a darke place untill the day dawne and the day starre arise in your hearts 2 Pet. 1. 19 so the day was to dawne and the day-starre to arise in their hearts Obj. But saith the Priests that sure Word of Prophesie was the Scriptures of the Prophets and not a light within because ver. 20. 21. it saith Knowing this first that no Prophesie of the Scriptures is of any private interpretation For the Prophesie came not in old time by the will of man but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the holy Ghost c. Ans. The Scriptures of the Prophets is not more sure nor more true then the Scriptures of the Apostles neither is the Visions of the Prophets more sure that the Visions of the Apostles Now that which the Apostle aludes to Was the voyce which came from the excellent glory which Voyce they heard when they were with him in the holy Mount so to them to whom he Wrote the light which shined in their hearts which brought them to waite for the day-daw●ing and the day fear a●ssing was more neer and more sure to them though not to the Apostle then the declaration in words or writing of that which others have seen or heard though that which they have seen and heard be true as any thing that is Written as thus For me to be obedient to the measure of light and life that appears and is manifest to me is to me more a seale or a more sure word to take heed unto then the words or writings that proceed from a greater manifestation in another though by this the truth of the greater or surenesse of it is not denyed by the lesser light but wayted for that the greatest manifestation or discovery of the Father may be as sure and as true to me as to those that have declared it He that hath an eare to heare the truth let him heare and he that can receive it let him Now because Priest Hammond saith that he knows not any word of Scripture that bids us goe to the light in us though it should mean Christ in us that is the worke of grace in us Now whereas he falsly accuseth George Whithead that he is not well read in the literall Knowledge of the Scriptures he justly condemns himselfe For if he were well read in the literall Knowledge of the Scriptures he would know that the Scripture speaks of the light within of Christ within and of the worke of gracs within which he hath declared his ignorance of but his end of so speaking is to
am thy part and thine Inheri●ance among the Children of Israel Ver. 21. And behold I have g●ven of Levy all the tenth in Israel for an Inheritance for their service which they serve even the service of the Tabernacle of the Congregation And hast thou not read Deut. 10. 9. Wherefore Levy hath no part nor Inheritance among their brethren the Lord is his Inheritance as the Lord God promised him c. And hast thou not read Deut. 18. 1. 2. The Priests the Levites and all the Tribe of Leui shall have no p●rt nor Inheritance with Israel they shall eat the Offerings of the Lord made by fire and his Inheritance Therefore shall they have no Inheritance among their Brethren the Lord is their Inheritance as the Lord hath said c. And hast thou not read Joshua 13. 14. Onely unto the Tribe of Levy he gave none Inheritance the sacrifice of the Lord God of Israel made by fire was their Inheritance as the Lord hath said And hast thou not read Ezek. 44 28. I am their Inheritance saith the Lord and ye shall give them no possession in Israel I am their possession Now this was their Inheritance and Possession and that which they had for their service was the Tythe and out of that all the Widowes Strangers and Fatherlesse was to come to the Priests Gate and be satisfied that there should not be a begger in Israel But though the Priests in England have the Tythes yet there are Widowes Strangers and Fatherlesse that wants and many beggers in England and by their covetousnesse is many oppressed and their goods taken from them whereby they are brought to suffer want but the Lord hath opened the bowels of compassion in some to pitty and supply those which the Priests ●er their cov●tous ends make merchandise of Now this I have declared that all such may see themselves if so be that God at any time will give them repentance that they may be saved Another snare hath Sam Hammond runne himselfe into by perverting the Apostles words when he bids them Prove all things and hold fast that which is good these words Sam. Hammond limits to this that they must try what is according to the mind of Christ and hold that Ans. That is not all things but one thing but they were to try all things what was according to the mind of Christ and what was not and try the spirits whether they be of God and when they had tryed what was according to the mind of Christ and what was not and what spirit was of God and what was not then they were to hold fast that which was good But S. H saith must they try sinne and must they goe heare the Papists to try their Doctrine Ans. Thou art very blind and dark in thy understanding Is there no trying of sinne but by entering into the experimentall practice of it Ans. Yes The Lord ha●h given us of his spirit by which we are able to try your Ministery your Wages your Covetousnesse and your cruelty and slandering of the Innocent and yet not enter into any of your practises and as we try you so we doe the Papists likewise not from the Orthodox writers as thou calls them but by the spirit of the living God And Paul did not bid the Thessalonians goe to some Orthodox Writers to try either Spirit or Doctrines by their Books But thy end in speaking these words is That people should not heare us declare the Truth lest they should be converted to God and brought off all false wayes and worships which they have long been kept under by thy perverting of the Scripture to thy own end And if they must goe to thy Books as Orthodox to try us by there they may find thee speaking evill of us without a cause and laying open thy own nakednesse and ignorance of the things of God But if people once come to know the measure of Gods spirit and with that try and prove they will see tha● they have been alwayes learning but was never able to know the truth from any of your Teachings Againe thou goes to excuse the Magistrates of New-castle in their cruelty and hayling of the peaceable people of the Lord out of d●res and saith that it is their Zeale and Glory but Persecution was ever blind and that Zeale which sto●d in it And further thou saith that they know no Law that tolerates their Meetings Answer What! wilt thou shame the Magistrates of New-castle before all people What! ar● they ignorant of the Law of the Nation and of the Instru 〈…〉 of Goverment and by this account thou would ren●er ●hem uncapable of doing justice in New-castle or of executing their place of trust wherein they are put to doe justice and performe the righteousnesse of the Law But when they truely come to see thee and thy words they will have no great incouragement to give thee so great Wages for upbraiding them with their ignorance of the Laws of the Nation Pr. Againe thou empties the Venome of thy heart by false accusing not onely the living but the dead in saying that William Cotesworth of Shields hyred a House in New-castle but before that he could enjoy it the Lord stroke him with madnesse Ans. This is false for he did enjoy the House he hyred and others with him did meet peaceably in it and enjoy the Lords presence and teaching before the Lords stroke as thou calls it but doe not thou accuse the Lords stroke neither doe thou charge God with any indignation against him For when the Lord makes inquisition for the blood of his Saints thou wilt not be cleare in this in saying the Lord did witnesse against him or us in that particular Pr. Againe thou mentions a Shoomaker in New castle which thou saith was one of us and came and rayled against thee and was presently struke mad Ans. Here thou would make people beleeve wonders was he not mad before he rayled against thee And that Shoomaker was never any of us nor owned of us ever to be in the truth and he was mad and distracted before ever be saw us or we him But he that is in the gall of bitternesse must vent it out But the Lord doth keep us clear from the blood of all men and that truth which we are witnesses of shall stand for ever over all our Accusers who are filling up the measure of their iniquities by speaking all manner of evill against us as Christ said they should doe But in this we rejoyce When men speake all manner of evill against us falsly for his name sake for great is our reward in Heaven for even so persecuted they the prophets that went before us and this is that reproach which for his sake we must beare as he hath left us an example for the servant is not greater then his Lord Pr. The last thing in this Book is a story which thou tells to thy own shame Of thy hyring a
man the Keeper of the Mute-hall to betray the truth and to breake his promise as the Chiefe Priests ●yred Judas to betray Christ they gave him thirty pieces of silver to betray the just and thou gave this man thirty pence to break his Word and promise which he had made to the servants of the Lord and in love to the truth And thou saith thou gave it him to prevent the Quakers temptings Ans. Oh! foolish man thou makes it worse and worse Is money a means to keep men from temptation Didst thou not rather with the thirty pence tempt him to be unfathfull to the Lord and to break his promise And as without money Judas would hardly have been tempted to have betrayed Christ neither as thou supposeth would this man to have broke his promise and to resist the truth For thou saith thou considering that he might murmurre at your hindering of his gaine therefore you gave it him so then it seems it was not any convincement from your Doctrine nor any faith that he had in you that you were of God and we not but by tempting him with words and getting him into a ●●avish feare and then giving him money which if once the witnesse of God arise in him and he see the guilt of his treachery by your tempting words and money he may come to give you your money againe and tell you that the cu●se of God was in it and that by that thirty p●●c● he did sell the truth and bought it not But glory and everlasting prayses be to the Lord for ever that dayly brings your hidden things of darknesse to light and makes manifest the counsells of your hearts whereby all your temptings with money and words is discovered and that is but carnall weapons to defend your selves withall and with that you cannot keep the truth ●ut of New-castle but God hath a seed which he wild gather from amongst you which cannot be tempted neither with your words nor your money for you want the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God so you must make use of carnall weapons money and flattering words to keep people in the wayes of sinne and death telling them that the Lord is amongst you and that no evill will come upon them speaking peace to them that live in iniquiry as the false Prophets did Mal. 3 15. and ye have wearied the Lord with your words which have been without spirit and life Mal. 2. 17. This is given forth to stop the ignorance of foolish men and that none may glory in their shame as Samuel H●mmond hath done of his Book in his Letter to A. P. wherein he desires him not to be offended with the seeming harshnesse of the Assertions and saith that he hath written nothing but truth and the mind of Christ c. but what is here declared it is manifest to all that desire to know truth from deceipt that he hath travelled in iniquity and brought forth lyes and wearied himselfe for very vanity Hab. 2. 13. and though his Aspersions is come forth in harshnesse against us yet we shall render him truth for lyes and love for harshnesse as Christ hath taught us and so heap coales of fire upon his Head NOw there remaines some-thing that people may take notice of which is the Fundamentall Principles or Doctrine of that Priest-hood there being severall of their Brethren of that Priest hood met together in a dispute with some of us in Branspith-castle upon the 21. day of the seventh Moneth affirmed as followeth Josias Dockerey affirmed and the rest assented 1. That they have the Scriptures and their Gospel not from God but from Men 2. That there is no knowledge of the Spirit without the Scriptures 3. That immediate Revelation or Inspiration is not to be expected nor looked for in these dayes and that to expect it is Diabolicall or Devilish 4. And that that which is contained or Written in this very Volume laying his Hand upon the Bible and that which appears visibly to h●s externall sences is the Gospel 5. That the flesh of Christ is not in them 6. That Christ had and hath a naturall carnall Body and is in Heaven with a naturall carnall body and hath an humane carnall fleshly Body joyned to his Divinity and is in Heaven with it 7. That Timothy received not this Gospel from God but from man viz. from Paul Rich. Frankling affirmed 8. That Grace could not be conveyed to any man from the Lord without the ordinary outward means of Preaching 9. That the light spoken of in John 1. which enlightens every man c. is not sufficient to leade up to Christ Hen. Leaver 10 That they knew no such thing as Prophesie by immediate I●spiration or Revelation in these dayes These things are their Principles and Doctrines which they Preach to people to beleeve and is but their own Tradition contrary to the Principles of the Doctrine of Ch 〈…〉 and the Testimony of Scriptures Ans. Now as to the first if not from God but from man they have received their Gospel then it is not that which the Apostle Preached but another And saith the Apostle though we or an Angell from Heaven Preach any other Gospel unto you then that which we have Preached unto you let him be accursed Gal. 1. 8. For saith he in the 12. verse I neither receiued it of man neither was I taught it but by the Revelation of Jesus Christ so no other Gospel received in any other way is to be received or beleeved for the Gospel is the power of God as Rom. 1. 16. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ for it is the power of God to salvation to every one that beleeveth c. Now to say tha● they receive the power of God from man not from God is ignorance and error and to say that the Letter is the Gospel is as great ignorance and error and that Gospel 〈◊〉 accursed and he that Preaches it which is not received from God Now as to the second Pr. That there is no knowledge of the Spirit without the Scriptures Ans. If they had said that there had been no knowledge of Scriptures without the Spirit then they had spoken the truth whereas now they have spoken the plaine contrary for the Spirit gives the Knowledge of the Scriptures but the Scriptures gives not the Knowledge of the Spirit and the Apostle was of another judgement and Principle for saith he the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life and it is the spirit that quickneth John 6. 63. And John said they knew that they dwelt in God and he in them because he had given them of his spirit 1 John 4. 13. And Paul was an able Minister of the Testament not of the letter but of the spirit for the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life 2 Cor. 3. 6. now those before mentioned hath manifested that they are Ministers of the letter not of the spirit and so Preaches
that the letter must give the Knowledge of the spirit when as the true Ministers said That it was the spirit that gave the Knowledge of God and of the Scriptures as all that know God will confesse Priests third Principle That immediate Revelation or Inspiration is not to be expected nor looked for in these dayes and ●hat to expect it is Diabolicall or Divelish Ans. Then there is no Knowledge of the Father to be expected nor looked for in these dayes and to expect the Knowledge of God to be revealed is Diabolicall but this is contrary to Christs words for saith Christ Mat. 11. ●7 No man knoweth the Sonne but the Father neither knoweth any man the Father but the Sonne and he to whom the Sonne will reveale him and they that would not have us to expect to have the Father revealed unto us by the Sonne this i● a damnable Doctrine and we cannot beleeve them For revealed things belong to us as the Apostle said and it pleaseth the Father to reveale his Sonne in us and it pleaseth the Sonne to reveale the Father to us and by the Sonne we know the Father and the Scripture testifies of those things but doth not reveale those things unto any And they are they which testifies of me saith Christ Iohn 5. 39. Priests fourth Principle That that which is contained or Written in the Bible which appears visibly to the externall sences is the Gospel Ans. Nay For Christ the power of God who is the riches of the glory of this Mistery which was hid from Ages and Generations which was Christ in them the hope of glory is the Gospel which the Apostles Preached Col. 1. 26. 27. 28. And the Apostle said If our Gospel be hid it is hid to those that are lost whom the god of the world hath blinded their minds lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ which is the Image of God should shine in their hearts 2 Cor. 4. 3. 4. Now the Gospel which was the Mistery was hid to the unbeleevers but the unb●l●●v●rs can see the Bible with their exter●all Eye and heare it with their exte●nall Ea●e and yet the Gospel hid unto them so that is not the Gospel which the naturall man with his naturall carnall externall sences 〈◊〉 s●e or heare and so these Principles is false and contrary to the Scriptures which hold such things Priests fifth Principle That the Flesh of Christ is not in them Ans. Then wh●● is that flesh which Christ saith Except ye eate my flesh and drinke my blood ye have no lefe in you John 6. 53. And whosoever eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath eternall life and I will rayse him up at the last day For my flesh is meat indeed and my blood is drink indeed He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood dwelleth in me and I in him As the living Father hath sent me and I live by the Father so he that eateth me even he shall live by me John 6. 54. 45. 56. 57. Here you have made it manifest that the flesh of Christ you know not you are not flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone as the Saints was neither doe you dwell in him nor he in you neither have ye eternall life in you by eating of his flesh and drinking of his blood But we that are in Christ and he in us as he liveth by the Father so we live by him and his flesh to us is meat indeed and his blood is drinke indeed and we doe witnesse his flesh to be spirituall and not carnall as you say and it feeds the spirituall man and so have eternall life abiding in us But you that know nothing but carnall flesh which the carnall man feeds upon as Christ said to the Pharisees so say I unto you that you have not his Word abiding in you John 5. 38 and ye have neither heard his voyce nor seen his shape ver. 37. nor known his flesh Priests sixth Principle That Christ had and hath a naturall carnall Body and is in Heaven with a naturall carnall Body and hath an humane carnall fleshly Body joyned to his Divinity and is in Heaven with it Ans. This Principle is contrary to the Testimony of Scripture for there is no such thing said of Christ in the Scriptures that he is in Heaven with such a Body For the Scripture saith there is a naturall body and there is a spirituall Body 1 Cor. 15. 44. And that there are celestiall bodies and bodies terrestriall and the glory of the celestiall is one and the glory of the terrestria● is another And that it is sowne a naturall body but is raysed a spirituall body The 〈◊〉 Adam was of the Earth ●a●thy the second was the ●ord from Heaven Howbeit that was not first which is sp●ritu●ll but that which is naturall and afterward that which is spirituall Now we say that Christ was raysed with a spirituall body and is at the right hand of his Majesty on high in a spirituall glorified body and not in a carnall fleshly naturall body For the terrestriall body of the first Adam in the transgression was naturall carnall and fleshly and this was the vile body which was to be changed And we doe beleeve that the bodies shall be changed from naturall carnall and fleshly and made lik● unto his glorious body in which he is in Heaven And this which you have held in this particular is concrary to the Scriptures and the Apostles Doctrine and also contrary to the judgement of many of your own Priests and Brethren For they hold that the bodies shall be made spirituall and that the Saints must enter into Heaven with glorified Bodies And if the Saints must be in Heaven with spirituall glorified bodies and Christ with a naturall carnall fleshly Body this is not proportionable nor according to truth Priests seventh Principle That Timothy received not the Gospel from God but from ●an viz. from Paul Ans. Then it would but have been of little effect to them that heard it from him but I shall bring in Paul as a witnesse against you in this For Paul saith to Timothy Neglect not the gift that is in thee which was given thee by Prophosie 〈◊〉 Tim. 4. 14. so that his gift came by Prophesie from the spirit of the Lord and not from Paul though Paul was a Father unto him And againe Paul said Stirre up the gift of God which is in thee For God hath not given us the spirit of feare but of power of love and a sound mind 2 Tim. 1. 6. 7. so that Timothy received his Gospel from God by the spirit of his power and of love and from the gift of God in him he Preached and not from man her by man And cursed be the deceivers which would draw people from the Gospel of God unto mans Traditions as such Priests seek to doe Now if you had onely said that you have not received any Gospel from God