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A52720 The Catholick letter to the seeker, or, A reply to the Protestant answer shewing that Catholicks have express Scriptures, for believing the real presence, and that Protestants have none at all, for denying it. N. N. 1688 (1688) Wing N32; ESTC R9655 25,181 42

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THE Catholick Letter TO THE SEEKER OR A REPLY TO THE Protestant Answer SHEWING That CATHOLICKS have Express Scriptures for Believing the Real Presence and That Protestants have none at all for Denying It. St. Mark IV. vers 11 12. To Them that are Without all these Things are done in Parables That they may See and not Perceive Hear and not Vnderstand Published with Allowance LONDON Printed for John Lane at the Golden-Anchor the Corner Shop of Wilde-Street next Duke-Street 1688. THE Catholick Letter TO THE SEEKER c. SIR I Hope These Lines will over-take You e're You proceed to pass Sentence upon what has been said by Either Party in Answer to your Request concerning the Real Presence and the rather for that in my Answer I was as it were Silent because of the Ties You had put upon Us to satisfie your Conscience by the Scripture only for Request P. 4 5 7. That your Design was to see what Scriptures We had for it and what the Others had against it and That nothing but Scripture without troubling our selves to tell You the meaning on 't should satisfie You in the Matter To which I submitted as near as possible I could And I humbly conceived the Protestant Answerer would have done so too but on the contrary he hath not only quitted the Question but has crowded Three Sheets and an half of Paper for the most part with pretended Reasons and Figures without producing so much as One Text pertinent to disprove the Real Presence or to prove any One Text by me alledged to be either Figuratively or Parabolically spoken or that for Such they must be understood But says by no Authority but his own Protest Ans Pag. 7 8 10. That the Sense of Eating the Flesh and Drinking the Blood Must be Figurative and right or wrong they are Figurative and must not be properly and litterally understood For I am says he as 〈◊〉 as 〈…〉 Words that the Doctrine of Transubstantiation is 〈…〉 Literal th●n it 〈◊〉 be the Rational Meaning of them c. But to have made You as sure as himself methinks he should have proved by express Scripture that those Texts which I produced were Figurative or Parabolical and that they are not to be understood in the plain and proper Sense wherein they were spoken otherwise how doth he think we shall take his bare Word or that his private Meaning of the Text shall pass upon us for Gospel But not to delay on this particular pray observe how the Gentleman has evaded the Question which was of the Real and Immediate Presence of the Body and Blood of Christ in the Sacrament Whether we believed it or not if We believed it We were to produce what Scripture We could to justifie Our said Belief and if They deny'd it They were to produce what Scripture They could to prove That their Negative But instead of speaking to the Real Persence he has betaken himself to Transubstantiation a Word devised by the Church to express the Conversion that 's made in the Sacrament by the Divine Word as the Word Consubstantial or Consubstantiate was devised against the Arians to express the Substance of the Son 's being Coequal the same with the Substance of the Father and if the Request had been of the Consubstantiality of the Son the Arians with as much Reason might have Answered That 't was enough for them to shew that Consubstantiality is not Taught in Scripture as the Protestant Answerer has done where Pag. 3. he says That 't is enough for them to shew that Transubstantiation is not taught in Scripture tho' the Being of Christ 's Body and Blood in the Sacrament is At which rate if permitted he 'll Sham off the rest of their Negative Doctrines insomuch that when you come to the Infallibility of the Church Invocation of Saints Purgatory c. and require him to shew Express Scripture to prove That the Church is not Infallible That we must not Invocate the Saints to Pray for us That there is no Third Place in the other Life besides Heaven and Hell he 'll think to stop your Mouth with his 'T is enough for them to shew that Infallibility is not Taught in Scripture tho' That the Church can never Err be That Invocation of Saints is not Taught in Scripture tho' Prayer to Saints and that they do Pray for us be That Purgatory is not Taught in Scripture tho' a Third Place in the other Life be whereby he quits the Substance to wrangle at the Word by which the Substance is express'd He might as well say The Trinity and Incarnation are not Taught in Scripture the Words being no more there than Transubstantiation Purgatory or the rest But how far this way of Answering will take with You I know not For My part I humbly conceived your Meaning was purely to be satisfied in the Substance of what We believed of the Real Presence and to shew You what Authorities We had from Scripture for such Our Belief not doubtings if We agreed in the Substance of the Thing Believed that ever We should differ about a Word sufficiently proper to express it The Gentleman proceeds and tells you Pag. 3. That You are but lately engaged in this Employment or else You would never says he think it reasonable to oppose the Authority of One Vnknown Answerer of that Communion to the profess'd Opinion of so Many great Divines of that Church c. And from thence infers a Concurrence of some of our Divines with him in this particular to wit Pag. 4. That there was not One place of Scripture so Express that without the determination of the Church it would evidently compel a Man to receive Transubstantiation And the same might as well be said of the Consubstantiality of the Son That there is no Scripture so Express as without out the determination of the Church it would evidently compel a Man to receive it But what is this to the Being or not Being of the Body and Blood of Christ in the Sacrament Had he produced Scotus Bellarmine or any of the Holy Fathers to disprove the Real Presence it had been something tho not to your purpose for the Request was Pag. 4. To satisfie You by the Scripture only and not by citing of our Modern Divines or Ancient Greek and Latin Fathers but by the Express Text and plain Word of God as Written and set forth in our English Bibles and no otherwise And this was the Rule that I walk'd by in my Answer not that I thereby Renounced the Determination of the Church in this or any other point of Faith God forbid but that I should always prefer their Vniversal Consent to my Private Opinion Wherefore if what Scotus and Bellarmine have said in that Matter will do the Gentleman a Kindness he shall have it not only from them but from all the Faithful that altho' the Scripture were never so plain we would yet submit to the Determination