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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A43721	The saints justified and their accusers found out: or an answer to the great dragons message, put forth in five positions by one of his messengers Who for this purpose made use of Edward Laurance priest at Bast-church, a place so called in the county of Salop, who at a dispute at Milford-Hall in the said county, not far from the said steeple-house, stood up to prove the 5. positions, and there contended for his masters kingdom, that none could not but live in sin while they were upon the earth, (no not the saints) whom he there accused to live in sin; and other falsities he stood up to prove, producing scriptures to that end, but left all unproved to anies understanding there who had the least true discerning to discerne with. Also a few queries put forth to be answered by the aforesaid priest (if he will) or any else of his brethren. By a witnesse against the dragons message (of mans alwayes living in sin here) and for the truth, called Richard Hickock.	Hickock, Richard.	1660 (1660)	Wing H1917A; ESTC R221599	13,211	17

as you can though you have no example in them for so doing but this is not all for you to make your ware passe off which you have mixed with the Scriptures brings in the Scriptures to prove your ware good though it be as black and smoakie as hell and then say you the word of God confirms it when there 's no such thing and let any question you what 's the word you speak of the Scriptures say you when the word Scripture being interpreted doth not signifie as much as to say the Word of God but as much as to say a writting and thus you wrest the word Scripture calling it by another name then it signifies being interpreted and read the writings of the Prophets and Apostles and you shall finde them declare that the Word was in the beginning was made flesh and that all things was made by it this is not the Scriptures they say the Word endures for ever this is not the Scriptures and that the word is as a fire hammer this is not the Scriptures and the Word is quick and powerfull sharper then any two edged Sword and is a discerner of thoughts and intents of the heart and this is not the Scriptures this is the Corner Stone which you false builders reject and will not build with who build thereon do deny your teachings and smoakie foggy doctrines which hath grimed the hearts of some with dirt and mire that sticks so fast it will not easily be got off Yet further for the satisfaction of such who truly desire to be satisfied concerning the Word of God the Word of the Lord endures for ever it came unto Abraham saying Gen. 15 1●●… And the word of the Lord came unto Jonah the Son of Amittai saying arise go to Nineveh c. Jonah 1.1.2 and in the eighth Month in the second year of Dius came the Word of the Lord unto Zechariah the son of Barachiah the son of Iddo the Prophet saying c. as Zechariah 1.1 And many more Scriptures there be which declares of the Word of the Lord coming to such and such a Prophet saying c. So take notice that the Word of the Lord spake to the Holy men of Old who gave out the Scriptures and that was the Word that spake the words which were received and written after the Word had spoke them so the Scripture is fulfilled which Peter spake who said Holy men of God spake as they were moved of the Holy Ghost 2 Peter 1.19 20 21. And where have you been learning Oh you blinde guides who put no difference between the Word and the words which shewes to others what the word speak to or by such and such a man and what saith the Words which were written from the VVord even that the word is nigh as Deut. 30.41 c. And Christ said my sheep know my voice so it is plain you are none of Christs sheep much lesse his shepherds who yet knows not the living Word it by which the Lord spake to the Holy Prophets and Apostles if the blinde lead the blinde they shall both fall into the ditch so you Priests you must to school againe to learn what the Word is and if you will do honestly turn the People from your immaginations and conceivings which you have fed them with to the light of Christ in them to be taught and if you will not be so honest yet once more after so often exhortation of the Lords People to your flock and people do I declare and testifie unto them that to the Light of Christ in them they must hearken and be obedient else no entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven and there the Word of God is to be heard and known and true VVisdom to be found And his third Position is as followeth Pr. That I my selfe am a true Minister of Jesus Christ Proofe First by my call Secondly by my Qualifications my call I prove by the laying on of hands of the Presbyterie 1 Tim. 4.14 Titus 1.5 my Qualifications by being fitted and qualified for that work Ans For this mans qualifications they surely are very bad who accuseth the Saints and hath denyed the end for which Christ was sent and doth the work of the devil as before is proved and who called thee or any of your Priests to this work but the prince of the ayre which ruling in your hearts and leads you to do wickedly and for these Scriptures they make nothing for any of you but against you and for the laying on of hands there were women that had that as is plain from the Scriptures as Acts 8.12.17 Will you grant they were made Ministers by it if not there is more reason for it then for yours for by it they received the Holy Ghost but I know none of you that have received the Holy Ghost by the hands that have been laid on you and Edward Lawrance thou knowest that at the Dispute thou wert proved a false Presbyter and them that laid their hands on thee as when thou wast asked whether the Presbyters that laid their hands on thee took Tithes or no to which thou answeredst they did but could not prove the like of that Presbyter in the Apostles dayes and to any who justly consider the matter it will plainly appear That 's no just ground to own you for Ministers of Christ because you have had the hands of a company of proud and covetous men laid on you nor to own their action in so doing no more then Pharaohs Inchanters work was to be owned or compared with what Moses the servant of the Lord did and I appeal to Truth and Scripture in this matter and leave any rational man to search the Scriptures in this point and see what things was done by the laying on of hands then and then consider what yours doth and it will plainly appear yours is but a mock to it not worthy in the least to be numbered with it And they who were really and truly Ministers of Christ were called of God fitted qualified by his spirit and they followed Christ for their example and their fruit made it manifest they were his Ministers These had not so learned Christ to tell people they could not but live in sin here and to take their Corn Hay Flax Hemp Wool Lambs Foals Calves yea Cows and Oxen from the people Christ told of Deceivers many false prophets that should rise and deceive many as Mat. 24.11 and in the seventh chapter he bids beware of them saying by their fruits ye shall know them as verse 4 15. And Edward Lawrance what fruit brought thou forth when thou took Richard Wards yoak of Oxen from him for Tithes doth this prove thee a Minister of Christ or a wolf If all the scriptures were searched through the like example could not be found from any one Minister of Christ but thou hast many brethren and your making use of the Saints words in your Pulpits and

c. If we say otherwise we deceive our selves c. If you Priests could finde a Scripture that saith so you would not hide it but none of these say so and John who was a witness of the same things with Paul said if you abide in the Light as he is in the Light then have you fellowship one with another and the Blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sin 1 John 1.7 For he was one who knew the true time of confession of sin and the time of deliverance from it so was a fit Minister to declare unto others of such conditions And whereas the Scriptures say there is not a just man upon the Earth that doth good and sinneth not and there is none that doeth good no not one c. This also is true in its place and time for the best of mans performances which is not the true Spirits work is but as filthy clothing which though they who live after the flesh call the work good and them that do it holy yet with the Lord they are not numbred so nor with his Saints and the Apostle said we know we are of God all the World lies in wickedness but he did not say that all that are in this place called the World lies in wickedness and John saw just men who lived not in sin who were cleansed from sin by the Blood of Jesus and Paul saw just men who brought forth fruit unto holiness and David said mark the perfect man and behold the upright for the end of that man is peace and there were many just men the Scripture makes mention of some of which are before mentioned which did good and cannot be charged with sin and in the same Chapter wherein it s said there is not a just man upon the Earth doth the same man that spake those words declare of a pure estate seeing I finde more bitter then death the woman whose heart is snares and nets and her hands as bands who so pleaseth God shall escape from her and where he exhorts from abounding in wickedness and an overmuch righteousness yet he saith he that feareth God shall come forth of them all Now take notice that as there is an overmuch wickedness so there is an overmuch righteousness now that righteousness which stands not in the Power of God is a righteousness which is over much which as the fear of God is witnessed it is come out off and in an overmuch righteousness some were in the Prophets dayes with which the Lord was wearied as Isa 1.11.13 14. and so on and the Scribes and Pharisees who had the Law in their Synogogues every Sabbath day and thought in the Scriptures to have Eternall life they were in a righteousness which was heapt above the righteousness of Christ and they were counted just and holy men in their time by such who were in the same worship and their worship they counted holy yet by the Spirit of the Lord it was counted an abomination and the prayers of the wicked is abomination and by this generation the true Prophets and Apostles were persecuted to death as deceivers and themselves went under the Names of holy just and righteous men so accounted of their brethren who consented with them but amongst such just men as these there is none that doeth good and sinneth not and whereas the Preacher said there is not a just man that doeth good and sinneth not he did not speak this of such who was in the Power of God who stood in his Councell and aboad in his will but to Idiots and Novices who be out of the Power of God the Spirits sayings be a mystery And you who say David was a man after Gods own heart and yet he was a sinner how is your wisdom become foolishness and night come upon you for a vision well may it be said of you as Isaiah said of those Teachers in his time that they were all blinde Isa 56.10 Surely if you had known the Scriptures you had been more wise then to asserted such a thing as this for where the Scripture makes mention of Davids sinning it gives no such testimony that David was a man after Gods own heart as he was a sinner but there is proof enough to shew that he was a man after Gods own heart as he walked uprightly before the Lord it 's time for you to throw aside your Retorick Logick and Heathenish Phylosophie it do's you no good nor gives you no Light in the knowledge of the things of God nor t is not like for the treasure of wisdom is not there to be found that 's in Christ as Paul witnessed Col. 2 3 4.8 9 10 11. The second Position Pr. That the Holy Scriptures is the Word of God proose in Exodus 20.1 Ephe. 6.17 Col. 3.16 c. Ans Now if these Scriptures proves the Scriptures to be the word of God the first here quoted declares of the ten Commandments but speaks not one word that the Scripture is the Word of God and at that time the most of the Scriptures were not written The second here quoted saith the Helmet of Salvation the Sword of the Spirit is the Word of God but doth not say the Scriptures is the word of God and they who know any thing of God or have but one graine of true discerning knows that the Scriptures is not the Sword of the Spirit and the last here quoted shewes that the Apostle exhorted the Collossians to let the Word of Christ dwell in them rightly he did not say let the Scriptures and call that the Word of God dwell in you that is your dark consequence Imaginations and conceivings from the Scripture in calling them so and its in vain for you to cast such dark foggs and mist before the children of Light for they will not walk in them having the Light we walk in the Light and exhorts others unto the same Now concerning the Word that 's Christs Name Rev. 19.13.15 whence had you your Authority to rob Christ of his Name and give it to the Scriptures but what will ye not do when you will give his Name to the devils words as thou Edward Laurance did when thou went about to prove his words the Word of God and for the Scriptures we own them in their places and exhort People to read them and to give that honour to them which is due to wit to come unto it which they point at which is the anointing the Light the Grace of God which is Christ the Word nigh to whom all come to Learn that are saved and that believe in the Light and this the Scripture directs to as Joh. 5.39 4● and 2 Pet. 1.19 and 1 John 2.20.27 Titus 2.11 12. c. And herein is true honour given to the Scriptures but you dishonour them and him ye point unto who lurry them up and down like a pedlers pack from Market to market where you put them to sale to as great extortion

Assemblies cannot hide you nay any who have scriptures to read and will read them honestly over may see you are another sort of Ministers then the Ministers of Christ were and if another sort that makes use of the Name of Christ in your preaching and praying Then it must needs be the Minister● of Antichrist and such is the qualifications of the Ministers of Antichrist to take the goods of people of them by force who owe you nothing and to bring them before Rulers and Governours if they deny and cast them into prison besides t is time to leave telling of your qualifications till ye be better and till you be turned out of Simon Magus his way and road who would have bought the holy Ghost with money you may leave off telling of your caltoo And I pray you priests who led him to offer money to purchase that power that was among the Apostles but his great master the Devil and surely the Lord doth not lead his Ministers to follow Simon the Sorcerer the Devils servant so cease from your call and qualifications they both being bad and return to the Light of Christ which you have so much despised and learn at that and be not proud to stoop so low that you be not alwayes Ideots and Novices Now concerning his fourth and fifth Position I know nothing at all that he said to either of them except what is said at the latter end of what is said to the Reader yet that they may not go without an answer his two last Positions is as followeth Pr. That the people called Quakers are no true Church of Jesus Christ That the Quaking amongst them is a Delusion of the Devil Answ Though these two Positions remain without any proof at all to uphold them yet being I have found that they remain in the minds of some as if they were true Take this answer to the first of these I answer That for the people called Quakers they are a People evil spoken of in every Parish and Country I have been in since I first either heard of them or knew them this I speak as from what I know and that not onely of one two or three sorts of Religions but of all that I met with have I heard this evil spoke of and I find in Scripture that the way that the true Church was of was evil spoken of every where and I find that the Corinthians which was a true Church received Paul with fear and Trembling 2 Cor 7.15 and he spake to the Philippians which was of the true Church to work out their salvation with fear and Trembling and I know them to be a People that walks much in the fear of God and who walks there have a place in God where the true Church is as 1 Thess 1.1 and 2 Thessalonians 1. and where this man can find proofs to prove such as these no true Church I know not without he fly to lies and false reports for his refuge and proofs but wo must come upon them that make lies their refuge for with Truth he can never do it And to the last Position I Answer That the Quaking that is witnessed amongst these despised People is no delusion of the Devil but the mighty power of God which casts down delusions and overturns them and I question not but the same power was despised in the Prophets and Apostles dayes by the same generation who then were strangers to the power that wrought in the true Prophets and Apostles so they were persecuted as Deceivers and put to death under the name of Schismaticks Hereticks and Deceivers and Paul bid work out your Salvation with fear and trembling as before is said and the true Church witnessed Trembling as before is proved And the Lord said to them that were got above the fear of God whose hearts were hardened c. Fear ye not me saith the Lord will ye not Tremble at my presence Jeremiah 5.22 Isaak Trembled Gen. 27.33 Habakuks belly Trembled c. Hab. 3.16 But concerning this did Edward Lawrance make a jest which shewed he was a stranger to the work of the power of God in him and so where it is witnessed he calls it a Delusion of the Devil This is one of them who puts good for evil and calls evil good but when your reward comes upon you it shall come as an armed man that you cannot escape it so Repent betime least there be no place left R. H. A FEVV QUERIES As followeth I. YOV who say men cannot but live in sin here do not you exhort people from sin and if so then how doth that agree to exhort them from sin and also tell them they cannot but live in it here is not this confusion and Babylonish work II. Is there not a time to confesse and a time to forsake sin and come out of it and is not man to come out of sin here what preach you Priests of this say you I or nay if I then whether are the Saints they that come out or they that stay in sin If those be they that come out then what are they in that which they are come out of what Logick have you to make these agree III. And you who say the Scripture is the Word of God doth not the Scriptures give this testimony that the word of the Lord endures for ever as 1 Pet. 1.23.25 And doth not the word Scripture singnifie as much as to say a writing and do you not know that words written or printed with ink on paper cannot endure for ever how then by Scripture can you prove those words which are written or printed with ink on paper to be this word the Scriptures testifies of IV. And is there not plain Scriptures which saith the Word was in the beginning and was made flesh and by it the Heavens were made as John 1.1 2 3.10.14 Psal 33.6 Heb. 11.3 But where doth the Scriptures give this testimony of themselves Are you such fools and Idiots to put no difference between the Word and words the declarer and the declared what see you no difference between it and what it said you must to school to the Light to be taught before you can be true witnesses of the Word V. In Ephes 6.17 a scripture which is used by you Priests to prove the scriptures the Word of God it is said that the Sword of the Spirit is the Word of God hath the Devil this Sword the Sword of the Spirit or did he ever use it to overcome any with or is the Scriptures this Sword if the Scriptures neither be this Sword nor he never had it nor used it you know he had the Scriptures and made use of them to tempt Christ that if it had been possible he might overcome him Matthew 4.6 VI. And if it be so that he had the Scriptures but not the Sword of the Spirit then you Priests in what are you above him who have the Scriptures to make use of as Weapons to overcome your Enemies with but wants the Sword of the Spirit which if you say nay then prove the Scriptures it seeing you put them for it which if you cannot your fruit will not prove you have it for you let your fruit be laid before you and tryal be made VII Again you Priests seeing you tell people you are Ministers of Christ whether have not they Christ for their Example who are his Ministers if they have how prove you your Example from Christ of taking peoples Lambs Piggs Geese Calves Foals Corn Hay Wool Hemp Flax and other goods from them for preaching yea and if they will not give it you to take it by force surely the Sword of the Spirit destroys and cuts down this fruit and did not Christ say By the false Prophets and Deceivers and Anti-christ preachers which was to come that by their fruits men should know them Mat. 7.15 16 17. Now it lies on you to prove this the fruit of Christ or else you must no more own your selves to be his Ministers but Ministers of Antichrist tell the people so and you will tell them truth VIII And seeing you prate so much of your call to the Ministry tell who sent and Commissionated you to Preach whether were you called immediate of God or of Man if of man whence then had they power to make you Ministers and after what manner did they make or ordain you to be Ministers if by the laying on of their hands have you received the Holy Ghost by it if not nor they had not their Authority from God to do so but would imitate to do as like as they could to what they had read that others did then whether I say are you Presbiters followers of the Pope or of Pharaohs Inchanters or whether are you not like them both they both being out of the Power of God yea and to Simon Magus the Sorcerer who would have bought the Holy Ghost with Money which with Money cannot be bought R. H. THE END