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A64257 Ignorance and error reproved being an answer to some queries that one John Reynolds wrote to two of the people called Quakers / by Thomas Taylor. Taylor, Thomas, 1618-1682. 1697 (1697) Wing T577; ESTC R3441 33,896 37

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draws this and the rest of thy stumbling Consequences from thy own Imaginations not from our Words for we do not Exclude the Preaching of the Gospel from the Light nor the Light from it but say That is the true Light that Lighteth every Man that cometh into the World one loves the Light believes it and follows it and is led to God and so saved by it sufficiently the other hates it and it is his Condemnation And this is the Gospel Preaching and this Light of Christ in every Man is the Light of the Glorious Gospel whether it be declared of to the outward Ear in Words or not but he that Preaches not this True Light Preaches another Gospel though there be not another Gospel And I say unto you all People if a seeming Angel Preach not this Gospel of Light this Grace of God which brings Salvation which hath appeared to all Men and is the Saints Teacher and Keeper he is to be accursed But whereas thou cell'st of Heathen Answer All are Heathens now and Ignorant of the True God who know nothing of the sufficiency of the Light that Lighteth every Man that cometh into the World but thou askest in the end of that Query two very Childish Questions The first Why we exhort all Men to follow the Light within if that be sufficient I answer Because it is sufficient therefore do we Exhort all Men to follow it for that which is not sufficient is not safe to follow And so you that are so full of words and ignorant of the Sufficiency beat the Air and deceive the People keeping silly Women ever Learning and never able to bring them to the knowledge of the Truth which perfects to God all the commers thereunto Thy second Query there How could the Word of God be called a Mystery hid from Ages and Generations but now is made manifest if the Light within be sufficient And then quotes Eph. 3. 9. Col. 1. 25 26. Mat. 11. 25. I answer That it was within and sufficient when it lay hid as a Mystery till God's full time came of revealing it and therefore Christ compares it to many Powerful and Precious though hidden things and of little account to the outward view as to a Grain of Mustard-seed in the Earth to a little Leaven within much Flower to Treasure hid in the Field and Christ said to the Pharisees that God's Kingdom was to be found in Man he excludes none and those Scriptures thou sett'st down prove for this Truth and against thy roving Mind which is in the outward observings thinking to find the Kingdom there when Christ saith it cometh not that way see Luke 17. 20 21. What wilt thou conclude it was not because it lay hid What Logick is this Doth not Paul there say that the Mystery which was so hid and which he by the Spirit now Preached which was Christ in the Gentiles the Hope of Glory And Christ was Light and to this Light he warned every Man to take heed but the little Children not the Masters obey the Voice and so are led into the Understanding of the Mystery Qu. 2. In the next general Query thou askest Are not the Scriptures the Words of the Lord whose Words are they And why is the Scripture so often called the Word of God and the Word of the Lord And for this thou brings many Scriptures as Exod. 24. 4. 2. Kings 20. 26 27 28 29. Psal. 12. 6. Jer. 36. 4 6 8 11. Acts 19. 10. 2 Cor. 2. 17. 1. Thes. 1. 8. Answ. To this I say First That the Holy Scriptures were given forth by Holy Men of God as they were moved by the Holy Ghost and so they may be called the Words of God or of the Lord not that Spirit and Living Word but that those Scriptures prove what thou bringest them for to wit that the Scriptures or Writings without is there called the Word of God is not true it is said indeed in that of 2 Kings 20. 16. That Isaiah said unto Hezekiah Hear the Word of the Lord and Hezekiah said Good is the Word of the Lord and in other places of Scriptures that the Word of the Lord came to the Prophets and that in the fore-mentioned place of Acts and Corinthians and Thessalonians mention is made of the Apostles Preaching the Word of God all this is true but of Exodus and Psalms and Jeremiah mention is made of Words but what doth all this prove but only that the Word came to Holy Men this Word was God and as this Word moved in them and gave them Wisdom and Utterance they writ or spoke forth Words as a Declaration of what was in the Mind or Word of God or what God was and what though the Scriptures may be thus called The Words of the Lord or his Prophets or Apostles Acted by his Power which we never denied this is nothing to the Hypocrites who use their Tongues to say The Lord saith when he never spoke by them but make a Trade of the Scriptures for filthy Lucre and by their much pressing the Declaration to be the Word of God have quite clouded the Word if self Christ from whence true Words come from the Peoples Minds so that scarce any have any true Living Feeling after God in his Word Christ for in the beginning was the Word before all Declarations and shall be after all the Peaceable Life of all that Believe for ever So that the Lord saw it good to stir up a People in these days to be True and Living Witnesses of the Word for the stopping of the Mouths of all such as have gotten the Words as Thieves from others and so kept People in the form with themselves always Professing but never Possessing the Power which the Scripture Witness unto and so the Letter and empty Words kill'd and do kill but now the Living Spirit and Living Word being Witnessed the Scriptures is owned in its place and Resurrection to Life being felt the Crown is set upon the King's Head whose Name is called The Word of God who was and is and is to come over all God Blessed for evermore and it is considerable that the Ministers of Christ are never called Ministers of the Letter or Words but of the Word and Spirit 2 Cor. 3. and that Christ and his Apostles mentioning the Prophets Words usually called them Scripture and not The Word of God as the custom of Hypocrites is now All Flesh is Grass and all outward Sounds and Signs vanish but the Word of the Lord that endures for ever and this is that Word which by the Gospel the Power of God is Preached and by nothing else savingly which when understood People are One but not before for it is the weakness which is like the Womans speaking makes Dissention so let the Scripture have its due and the Word of God its due and all is Beautiful in its place Query 3. In thy third thou askest How shall we know whether
day for there the Proud and Scornful Sing Falsly and say that they are not Proud and Scornful because David said so Psal. 131. and so with and amongst you is David's Psalms in words used but the Holy Life and Innocent Love that he Lived in in Deeds denied and so the Lord can take no Pleasure in you And for that Scripture thou bringest of Aaron and his Sons Blessing the Tribes of Israel in the Name of God And Paul's commending of the Churches in the closure of his Epistles to the Grace of God makes as little for your customary Blessings of and speaking Peace to the Wicked for self-ends as the Preaching of Christ doth for your Daubing and Divining for Mony for you are neither of Aaron's Order nor of Christ's Anointing and so wash you and make you clean and put away the Evil of your Doings and God will Bless you but not otherwise and better will it be for you to have the lowest place in that Blessing than the uppermost Room where you stand in the Cursed Ground Qu. 17. Thy Seventeenth and next Query is Hath not Christ Jesus sent out his Ministers to Disciple him all Nations and to Baptize them in the Name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost and Promised to be with them to the end of the World Mat. 28. 19 20. Is not that Baptism with Water And having set down some Scriptures that speaks of washing with Water thou criest Are not they then contrary to Christ and his Apostles that deny Water-Baptism Answ. To which I answer That all this if it were granted thee is nothing at all to thine and thy Brethrens Practice who take a little Water and sprinkle it on a Childs Face calling it Christ's Baptism for there was Discipling and Confessing of Faith and the Holy Ghost before Baptizing which cannot groundedly by you be said of Infants of a day old or so and this thou sawest which made thee so busie in the words of that Query there following to prove Infants sprinkling And first Thou goest about to prove it by saying The Scripture intimates that the Children of Believing Parents are Disciples Acts 15. 10. I say to the Children of Light this Scripture intimates no such thing at all but plainly holds forth the contrary for the words there are Why tempt ye God to put a Yoke upon the Disciples Necks which neither our Fathers nor we were able to bear Now these Disciples here spoken of were not Natural Infants but grown Men Christian Believers as the First and the Twenty-third and Twenty-fourth Verses of that same Fifteenth Chapter do plainly shew and so if thou hadst not been a Blind follower of the Blind Guide Richard Baxter whose Argument this is thou would'st not it 's like have offered to bring this for this purpose for it shames you all for ever But this Argument being too weak for thee thou endeavourest by another Argument as little to the purpose to prove the Natural Infants Subjects of Water-Baptism because say'st thou they have received the Holy Ghost or else how could the Kingdom of God consist of such To this I answer and say But which of the Natural Infants which you sprinkle hath the Holy Ghost and which not How come ye to see this difference Or you will say that all have it if so then may People have the Holy Ghost ordinarily by Natural Birth without hearing then where is your great Glorying of your Words or Sermons But to proceed thou say'st Can we imagine that God will give them the Kingdom and deny them Water-Baptism I answer God will give the Kingdom of Heaven to whom it belongeth and it consisteth not in outward Observation or Washings as Dipping or Sprinkling or so but in Righteousness Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost And thou that with the Papists attributes so much to Water-Baptism how comes it to pass that after all your Sprinkling the Children as they grow up in Years many grow up in so much Wickedness and Vanity as is every where manifest And as concerning Children of Believing Parents we deny them to be Believers that hate the Light and believe not in it but say it is Insufficient as before is declared But as for that Mat. 28. which thou and thy Brethren usually bring for your Custom of Preaching and Sprinkling of Infants I say it makes nothing for you who sit down in some Fat Benefice or other as times favour you and there Divine from the Letter as is said an Hours Discouse or two in a Week to the People for Mony Why go you not into all Nations as they did and Disciple the Turks and Indians if you will be warranted by this Scripture But whereas you take the Apostles for your Example I query first When did ever the Apostles go to the Schools of the World so many Years to be made Ministers Did ever the Apostles seek to the Magistrates to compel People to pay them Wages as you do or compel People by their Sword to conform to Christian Doctrine Or when did they sprinkle Infants receive Tythes of the People or Sing David's Prayers Quakings in Rhime and Meeter as you do When were they called Master as you are And many the like things wherein you differ as much from the Apostles as Darkness from Light whereby you shew your selves to be Guided by a contrary Spirit to wit the Spirit of Error So for ever be silent and stop your Mouths for you are both out of the Apostles Doctrine and Practice as your Fruits make you manifest Qu. 18. Thy Eighteenth Query is concerning the Supper and thou askest Hath not Christ Jesus given us his own Example for the Celebrating of his Last Supper And hath not the Apostle Paul delivered it to the Church and Commanded the Saints to do it in Remembrance of Christ and thereby to shew forth the Lord's Death till he come again Answ. The Lord's Supper we own for Behold I stand at the Door and knock saith Christ and if any Man hear my Voice and open to me I will come in and sup with him and he with me And for the Doctrine of Christ his Eating and Drinking with his Disciples so we own it in its place and for its time but what is that to you who are both out of the Doctrine and Practice of the Apostles as by your Fruits is manifest And so you Eat and Drink unworthily and thereby are guilty of the Body and Blood of Christ and so Eat and Drink Damnation to your selves and do not discern the Lord's Body And so in witnessing against you and your Practices in this State we neither Vilifie Men nor Jesus Christ. And thou say'st What a vain pretence is it to say We Eat Christ Spiritually I say it it vain if it be but in Pretence but if it be in Truth it is the greatest thing for it is Eternal Life and he that thus Feeds upon Christ's Body is Alive to God But you in all your other
ordain Elders in every City with Fasting Prayer and Imposition of Hands if every Person that will may run and ordinarily Preach without any such Ordination And thou say'st you may see how Persons were sent forth to Preach in Scripture Acts. 13. 23. and 14. 23 1 Tim. 4. 14. Answ. To which I say that the purpose of God in ordaining Elders in every City as is mentioned in that Acts. 14. 23. was not that proud and covetous Men who have a little Worldly Wisdom only to talk of the Letter and wrest Scripture by should perk up and set up themselves in the place of God's Elders in God's Church But that in this Church by his Spirit in those Elders the Body might be Edified and all kept in good order amongst them through Love Mind this was the Church of God which was in God 1 Thess. 1. 1. the Body of Christ of his Flesh and of his Bone Eph. 5. 23 24. Not a Worldly People gathered in the Will of Man into a vain Form without the power not I say the Synagogue of Satan who denies Perfection and the Sufficiency of Christ's Light And that there is none knows any thing aright but by the Letter as this John Reynolds pretends is not true for the Church of God was taught of God and the Elders in this Church were not brought up at the Worlds Schools of Learning nor called of Men Master nor Hirelings nor Persecutors of the Innocent as the Presbyters of these days are but they were Holy Men of God of mean account in the World raised up meerly by God's Power out of the Heathenish and Jewish Worships to know Christs Spirit and his Anointing in them which taught them all things and they were not such as got the Magistrate to help them to great Livings and fat Benefices and compel all by his Iron Sword to come in to them but they were Sufferers under the Powers of the World as we are at this day But whereas thou speakest of every Man that is not so ordained running in his own will ordinarily to Preach thou may'st take that to thy self and your selves who never were ordained by the Holy Ghost as they were for when did the Holy Ghost in your Assemblies say as in Acts. 13. 2. Separate such and such for the work I have appointed them unto Nay nay you have run and God never sent you for you never heard his Holy Voice at any time and therefore you profit not the People at all but make them more Cunning to Dispute against the Truth than they were before they followed you But what Ordination of Man had Paul at his first going out to Preach See Gal. 1. he received not the Gospel by Man and went not to Man no not to the Apostles themselves for Ordination and Commission to Preach but immediately Preached Christ as many have done and do at this Day who go under the Reproach of the name Quaker And so God is Restoring his Church to us Primitive Purity and Power to the stopping of the Mouth and confounding the Wisdom of all Flesh whether called Pope Cardinals Bishops or Presbyters that the true Eldership and Body of Christ to God's Glory may again appear And what Rules and Orders are and shall be in this true Church is known to God and by him Manifested and to be Manifested to the Body it self and not to the World for the World must neither have the right Understanding nor Management of those things no more than they had in those Days when it was said I stand not to Mans Judgment for the Holy Anointing must be all in the Church of God for ever Qu. 10. Thy Tenth and next Query is a plain discovery of thy Folly and of thy manifest Enmity against the simple Appearance of Truth in any discovery and though thou say the Scripture is thy Rule yet by it thou canst not endure to be Ruled but plain Language it self is thy Burthen and therefore thou askest how it can be said that ever Christ or his Apostles or Patriarchs or Prophets used the words Thou and Thee when they never spake English And how can it be unlawful for us to use the word You to each other since the same words in Hebrew Greek and Latin that signifie Thou signifie You in the Singular Number also and may be Translated You as well as Thou and so it seems thou say'st 2 Sam. 15. 27. Answ John Reynolds Didst thou Read this Query twice over Or didst thou at all Consider what thou said'st in it Was either the Fear of God or Care of thy own Credit before thy Eyes when thou writest it Surely neither But thou hast judged in thy self with thy vain Thought that because thou hast used to blind thy poor Hearers and make them believe any thing for Truth thou speakest or writest therefore it will be so with others Nay nay the Day is dawned the Lord hath given his People an Eye whereby all Covers are seen through and to this Light thou hast manifested as much Nakedness and Blindness to be in thee as in the grossest of them that say Mass at Rome or read Common-Prayer in English Nay I do believe many of them would be ashamed to argue thus as thou dost to wit because Christ his Apostles Patriarchs and Prophets did not speak in the English Tongue that therefore they used not the words Thou and Thee How came the Translators to Translate their Words when they speak to a particular Person Thou and Thee and never You as may all over Scripture be easily found thou may'st as well say Christ his Apostles Patriarchs and Prophets said nothing at all that is Recorded in Scripture in the English Tongue because they spoke not English so the Lord hath catched the Wise in his own Craftiness but thou goest on and say'st the same words in Hebrew Greek and Latin that signifie Thou signifie You in the Singular Number also and may be Translated You as well as Thou which I say is altogether false for You is not at all Singular but Plural altogether and so the Translators of the Bible knew and therefore never Translated their Singular Term in the forraign Language to you in English but Thou and Thee as is before mentioned and for that place in 2 Sam. 15. 27 thou set'st down and says it seems that You is used to a singular there it shames thee for if envy to the Truth had not Blinded thee thou mightest 〈…〉 that the King speaking to Zadock and saying Your Sons and you speaks not of Zadock and his Son but of Zadock and Abiathar and their Sons as the very words next after and in Verse 29. plainly shew and so here thou hast committed that great Error thy self that thy Generation use to Charge falsly upon us to wit in taking a piece of a Verse that seems to make for thy purpose and leaves out the rest that shews fully the Sense Qu. 11. Thy Eleventh and next Query is