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A06697 A profitable dialogue for a peruerted papist. Or a little labour of a lay men tending to the profit of a peruerted Papist: namely, by laying open vnto him his ovvne errour, in beleeuing that the Church of Rome cannot erre. Composed in dialogue maner, as it were betweene a simple lay man, and certayne graue diuines, and published onely for the benefit of the lay Papist. VVritten by R.M. gent. and student in Diuinity. R. M., student in divinity. 1609 (1609) STC 17149; ESTC S103258 25,816 46

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pray_v for_o the_o faith_n of_o s._n peter_n and_o so_o consequent_o for_o the_o faith_n of_o all_o his_o sucessour_n according_a to_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o adversary_n 31._o adversary_n in_o their_o rhemish_a note_n upon_o the_o 28_o of_o s._n luke_n verse_n 31._o that_o it_o shall_v never_o fail_v but_o if_o any_o bishop_n of_o rome_n may_v prove_v a_o false_a christian_a and_o live_v so_o lewd_o that_o he_o may_v die_v a_o reprobate_n then_o undoubted_o every_o bishop_n of_o rome_n be_v not_o the_o true_a successor_n of_o s._n peter_n unless_o a_o true_a faith_n may_v contradict_v in_o manner_n the_o thing_n which_o it_o profess_v in_o word_n for_o it_o be_v a_o true_a faith_n in_o s._n peter_n which_o our_o lord_n pray_v for_o to_o continue_v in_o his_o church_n and_o not_o a_o vain_a faith_n and_o if_o it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n may_v err_v as_o he_o be_v man_n but_o not_o possible_a as_o he_o be_v pope_n that_o be_v to_o say_v although_o in_o person_n he_o may_v err_v in_o his_o private_a doctrine_n and_o manner_n yet_o not_o possible_a to_o err_v judicial_o or_o definitive_o then_o can_v it_o not_o be_v prejudicial_a to_o the_o church_n although_o antichrist_n himself_o be_v bishop_n of_o rome_n epistle_n rome_n see_v s._n chrisost_o upon_o the_o ●_o to_o the_o th●ssa_n and_o s._n barna●d_n in_o h●s_n 123._o epistle_n and_o universal_a bishop_n but_o according_a to_o divine_a reason_n this_o seem_v not_o agreeable_a to_o truth_n gregory_n my_o son_n if_o this_o be_v permit_v to_o be_v lawful_o speak_v epistle_n speak_v in_o his_o 4._o book_n and_o 36._o epistle_n the_o honour_n of_o all_o patriarchy_n be_v deny_v and_o perhaps_o when_o he_o perish_v in_o error_n which_o be_v call_v universal_o than_o no_o bishop_n be_v find_v to_o have_v remain_v in_o the_o state_n of_o truth_n etc._n etc._n i_o say_v therefore_o the_o universal_a church_n 24._o church_n in_o his_o 6._o book_n and_o epistle_n 24._o fall_v to_o ruin_v if_o one_o universal_a fall_n but_o far_o be_v this_o vanity_n and_o foolishness_n from_o my_o ear_n etc._n etc._n *_o a_o true_a faith_n do_v not_o contradict_v in_o manner_n the_o thing_n which_o it_o profess_v in_o word_n *_o for_o which_o 1._o hom._n 29_o in_o eu●ng_n tit._n 1._o cause_n it_o be_v say_v of_o certain_a false_a christian_n by_o s._n paul_n *_o that_o they_o confess_v god_n in_o word_n but_o deny_v he_o in_o deed_n &_o by_o s._n john_n *_o that_o whosoever_o say_v he_o know_v 2._o ●_o john_n 2._o god_n and_o keep_v not_o his_o commandment_n be_v a_o liar_n which_o be_v so_o we_o must_v examine_v the_o truth_n of_o our_o faith_n by_o consideration_n of_o our_o life_n for_o then_o &_o not_o otherwise_o be_v we_o true_a christian_n if_o we_o fulfil_v in_o work_n that_o whereof_o we_o have_v make_v promise_n in_o word_n etc._n etc._n lay._n will_v to_o god_n thy_o successor_n have_v be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n herein_o as_o thou_o and_o thy_o predecessor_n be_v for_o then_o the_o church_n universal_o can_v never_o have_v be_v so_o much_o divide_v as_o it_o have_v be_v for_o most_o true_a it_o be_v according_a to_o thy_o speech_n that_o within_o less_o time_n than_o this_o 200._o year_n past_a hardly_o be_v there_o a_o bishop_n to_o be_v find_v remain_v in_o that_o sincere_a and_o pure_a doctrine_n teach_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n but_o be_v revolt_v and_o depart_v from_o that_o sound_a doctrine_n they_o all_o from_o the_o high_a to_o the_o low_a teach_v lie_n in_o hypocrisy_n even_o as_o saint_n paul_n prophesy_v of_o they_o forbid_v to_o marry_v 3._o marry_v 1._o tim._n 4_o 1_o 2_o 3._o and_o command_v to_o abstain_v from_o meat_n lawful_o to_o be_v eat_v with_o other_o such_o like_a error_n and_o deceyveable_a doctrine_n but_o the_o principal_a cause_n of_o such_o universal_a evil_n thou_o have_v plain_o declare_v to_o proceed_v from_o the_o pride_n of_o he_o call_v universal_a bishop_n which_o man_n we_o take_v to_o be_v no_o better_o than_o antichrist_n himself_o for_o according_a to_o s._n paul_n 4._o paul_n 2._o thesse_n 2._o 4._o he_o sit_v hypocritical_o in_o the_o temple_n of_o god_n in_o word_n the_o servant_n of_o servant_n but_o in_o deed_n extol_v himself_o above_o all_o power_n on_o earth_n for_o by_o usurp_a authority_n he_o seek_v not_o only_o to_o be_v supreme_a head_n over_o all_o bishop_n but_o over_o all_o christian_a king_n also_o which_o loftynesse_n be_v neither_o in_o thou_o nor_o in_o thy_o predecessor_n and_o that_o thou_o do_v make_v most_o manifest_a not_o only_o by_o these_o plain_a speech_n here_o utter_v but_o elsewhere_o also_o 82._o also_o in_o hi●_n 38._o epistle_n chap._n 82._o with_o which_o we_o restful_o satisfy_v herein_o and_o so_o we_o will_v conclude_v this_o first_o part_n with_o a_o few_o word_n take_v from_o our_o late_a minister_n but_o now_o a_o apos●ata_n theophilus_n higgon_n 64._o higgon_n write_a since_o hi●_n re●o●t_o in_o his_o first_o motive_n page_n 64._o because_o they_o contain_v a_o truth_n touch_v this_o point_n contrary_a to_o himself_o as_o thus_o it_o be_v a_o tyranny_n in_o mezentius_n say_v he_o to_o bind_v live_v man_n unto_o dead_a carkeyse_n but_o the_o wisdom_n of_o god_n do_v assure_v i_o and_z i_o also_o that_o he_o will_v not_o tie_v the_o lyve_a body_n of_o his_o church_n unto_o the_o dead_a and_o putrify_a member_n thereof_o the_o end_n of_o the_o first_o part_n the_o second_o part_n treat_v of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o bless_a body_n and_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n and_o saviour_n jesus_n christ_n now_o divine_a augustine_n let_v we_o go_v forward_o in_o that_o principal_a point_n touch_v the_o holy_a sacrament_n let_v we_o certain_o know_v thy_o mind_n whether_o christ_n be_v there_o after_o a_o spiritual_a manner_n only_o for_o the_o faithful_a to_o eat_v and_o drink_v or_o after_o a_o corporal_a and_o carnal_a manner_n as_o food_n both_o for_o the_o worthy_a and_o unworthy_a receyver_n we_o find_v in_o holy_a scripture_n that_o our_o saviour_n call_v 1._o call_v john_n 6._o 35._o and_o 10._o 7._o and_o 15._o 1._o himself_o bread_n call_v himself_o a_o door_n call_v himself_o a_o vine_n these_o thing_n in_o a_o spiritual_a sense_n we_o know_v to_o be_v true_o and_o proper_o speak_v yet_o according_a to_o the_o letter_n we_o take_v they_o figurative_o to_o be_v speak_v but_o we_o will_v glad_o understand_v from_o thou_o what_o our_o saviour_n mean_v when_o he_o call_v bread_n his_o body_n 26._o body_n mat._n 26._o 26._o and_o also_o what_o he_o mean_v when_o he_o say_v exceptye_o eat_v 〈…〉_o eat_v john_n 〈…〉_o the_o flesh_n of_o the_o son_n of_o man_n and_o drink_v his_o blood_n you_o have_v no_o life_n in_o you_o etc._n etc._n whether_o these_o speech_n according_a to_o the_o letter_n be_v figurative_a or_o proper_a aug._n my_o son_n our_o lord_n doubt_v not_o to_o say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n 12_o body_n against_o adamantus_fw-la chap._n 12_o when_o he_o give_v the_o sign_n of_o his_o body_n etc._n etc._n psal_n etc._n upon_o the_o 3._o psal_n christ_n admit_v judas_n to_o that_o banquet_n in_o which_o he_o do_v deliver_v to_o his_o disciple_n the_o figure_n of_o his_o body_n etc._n etc._n note_v this_o also_o if_o it_o be_v a_o speech_n of_o commandment_n either_o forbid_v a_o mischievous_a deed_n or_o a_o heinous_a fact_n 16._o fact_n in_o his_o ●_o book_n of_o christian_a doctrine_n chap._n 16._o or_o command_v a_o profitable_a thing_n or_o a_o good_a deed_n it_o be_v not_o figurative_a but_o if_o it_o seem_v to_o command_v a_o wicked_a deed_n and_o a_o naughty_a fact_n or_o to_o forbid_v a_o profitable_a thing_n or_o a_o good_a deed_n it_o be_v figurative_a unless_o you_o shall_v eat_v say_v he_o the_o flesh_n of_o the_o son_n of_o man_n and_o drink_v his_o blood_n you_o shall_v not_o have_v life_n in_o you_o etc._n etc._n he_o do_v seem_v to_o command_v a_o heinous_a or_o wicked_a deed_n it_o be_v a_o figure_n therefore_o command_v we_o to_o communicate_v with_o the_o 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worthy_o but_o he_o which_o be_v clean_a of_o who_o it_o be_v say_v 8._o say_v mat._n ●_o 8._o bless_a be_v the_o pure_a in_o heart_n for_o they_o shall_v see_v god_n etc._n etc._n lay._n then_o it_o seem_v by_o thou_o contrary_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n that_o the_o presence_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o sacrament_n be_v in_o such_o a_o spiritual_a manner_n that_o although_o the_o wicked_a may_v eat_v and_o drink_v the_o same_o sacrament_n unworthy_o according_a to_o s._n paul_n 27._o paul_n 1._o cor._n 11._o 27._o yet_o they_o can_v by_o any_o mean_n eat_v and_o drink_n christ_n himself_o the_o matter_n and_o substance_n thereof_o whereby_o thou_o do_v declare_v this_o thing_n to_o be_v a_o unspeakable_a mystery_n only_o for_o the_o faithful_a to_o understand_v for_o it_o seem_v here_o also_o by_o thou_o that_o none_o can_v receive_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n but_o only_o the_o lively_a member_n of_o christ_n that_o dwell_v in_o he_o so_o that_o as_o they_o 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which_o eat_v his_o flesh_n and_o drink_v his_o blood_n have_v life_n he_o answer_v to_o both_o because_o he_o say_v eternal_a it_o be_v not_o so_o in_o that_o meat_n which_o we_o receyve_v for_o the_o sustain_v of_o this_o temporal_a life_n for_o he_o which_o shall_v not_o receyve_v it_o shall_v not_o live_v yet_o for_o all_o that_o he_o shall_v not_o live_v always_o which_o do_v receyve_v it_o for_o it_o may_v come_v to_o pass_v that_o many_o which_o have_v take_v that_o meat_n may_v die_v by_o old_a age_n or_o by_o a_o disease_n or_o by_o some_o other_o cause_n but_o in_o this_o meat_n and_o drink_v that_o be_v to_o say_v the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n it_o be_v not_o so_o for_o both_o he_o which_o do_v not_o receive_v it_o have_v not_o life_n and_o he_o which_o do_v receyve_v it_o have_v life_n and_o this_o likewise_o eternal_a therefore_o he_o will_v have_v this_o bread_n and_o drink_n to_o be_v understand_v the_o society_n of_o the_o body_n and_o his_o member_n 23._o member_n john_n 14._o 20._o and_o 17._o 21_o 22_o 23._o which_o be_v the_o holy_a church_n his_o saint_n and_o faithful_a etc._n etc._n the_o sacrament_n of_o this_o thing_n that_o be_v to_o say_v of_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o body_n &_o blood_n of_o christ_n be_v prepare_v on_o the_o lord_n table_n in_o some_o place_n daily_o in_o some_o place_n at_o certain_a time_n and_o be_v receyve_v from_o the_o lord_n table_n unto_o some_o to_o life_n unto_o some_o to_o destruction_n but_o the_o thing_n itself_o to_o which_o the_o sacrament_n do_v belong_v be_v to_o every_o man_n to_o life_n to_o no_o man_n to_o destruction_n whosoever_o shall_v be_v partaker_n of_o it_o etc._n etc._n lay._n here_o thou_o be_v most_o plain_a indeed_o that_o the_o wicked_a can_v eat_v and_o drink_n christ_n jesus_n the_o bread_n of_o life_n and_o by_o this_o also_o we_o find_v that_o thou_o do_v acknowledge_v according_a to_o s._n paul_n 4_o paul_n 1._o cor._n 10._o 3_o 4_o that_o the_o faithful_a jew_n 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and_o blood_n not_o very_o change_v nature_n but_o add_v grace_n to_o nature_n etc._n etc._n lay._n what_o say_v thou_o then_o to_o those_o heretic_n which_o hold_v that_o as_o those_o sign_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n be_v one_o kind_n of_o thing_n before_o the_o invecation_n of_o the_o priest_n or_o minister_n and_o after_o be_v change_v and_o make_v other_o thing_n even_o so_o the_o body_n of_o our_o lord_n also_o after_o the_o resurrection_n be_v change_v into_o the_o divine_a substance_n theo._n my_o son_n dialoges_o son_n in_o his_o ●…_n dialoges_o they_o be_v take_v in_o their_o own_o snare_n for_o neither_o do_v the_o mystical_a sign_n depart_v from_o their_o own_o nature_n after_o sanctification_n but_o they_o remain_v in_o the_o former_a substance_n and_o figure_n and_o
form_n etc._n etc._n compare_v the_o sign_n with_o the_o truth_n &_o thou_o shall_v understand_v the_o similitude_n for_o the_o figure_n ought_v to_o be_v like_o the_o truth_n for_o true_o that_o body_n have_v the_o first_o form_n and_o figure_n and_o circumscription_n and_o that_o i_o may_v say_v at_o once_o the_o substance_n of_o a_o body_n but_o it_o be_v make_v immortal_a after_o the_o resurrection_n etc._n etc._n lay._n most_o true_a it_o be_v grave_a father_n christ_n have_v still_o the_o true_a substance_n of_o a_o body_n and_o therefore_o the_o sign_n and_o the_o thing_n signify_v be_v alike_o those_o heretic_n whosoever_o they_o be_v that_o seem_v to_o prove_v the_o form_n of_o bread_n in_o the_o sacrament_n to_o be_v there_o without_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n do_v thereby_o seem_v to_o prove_v also_o christ_n to_o a_o have_v a_o fantastical_a body_n that_o be_v a_o body_n in_o show_n without_o the_o substance_n of_o a_o body_n but_o thou_o do_v hear_v most_o plain_o 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