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A47813 The casuist uncas'd, in a dialogue betwixt Richard and Baxter, with a moderator between them, for quietnesse sake by Roger L'Estrange. L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704. 1680 (1680) Wing L1209; ESTC R233643 73,385 86

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Uniformi●y made Episcopacy and Common-p●ayer unlawf●ll 'T is the Law that Silences an● not the Bishops Non-Conformists silence themselves Berter particulars suffer then 〈◊〉 Order o●●●vernment be dissolved Richard ag●ees with Dr Reynolds 〈◊〉 conform'd Richard pleads altogether for Love Ba●ters way of e●pressing ●ichard against rash ●●nsuring 〈…〉 Baxter ag●inst Rich●rd Mr Ba●ters Cha●ity to the Clergy and discip●ine of ●he Chu●ch His brotherly Love Church ann State arraign d. Richard and Baxter of two quite different spirits The persecuted are the perssecutors Be sure first of what spirit ●he Non-Confo●mists are The spirit of the Non-Conformists His Late Majesties Judgement Experience upon it The spirit that Richard pl●ads ●or Richards ●oleration Who are the Judges the Government or the People Modest Dissenters deserve pity The Dispute is not Scruple but Power Plain dealing Richard puts the Case of a Saint and a Schismatick Baxters Saints Baxter sully resolved to go to them that dy'd in Rebellion He joys to think what Company he shall have Baxter says that Professors will rail and lye c. But that neither Perjury drunkennesse Incest Concubines nor Idols can make them dotoriously ungodly The Saints that are cast out for hereticks Either Tolerate All or None but upon a Penalty No men must be Tolerated if no Errour Baxter shews the Inconveniences of Toleration Pride makes one mans Religion Faction anothe●s Which ends in bloud And yet pass●● for doing God good service And the motion of the spirit Enthusiastick zea● Dotage●●a●en fo● Re●elations Scripture the Ru●e But who must expound it One mans Faith must not Impose upon anot●ers Mistake will not justifie the Errour nor ex●use a Disobedience Men will be zealous even in Errour More zeal then understanding is not good None so fierce and bold as ●he Ignorant Even Teachers themselves are false Guides M● Baxter himself has been mistaken Ill luck with his Aphorisms How Richard was wheedled in i. e. he was reconci ' d to the Church Richards best Christians found to ●e Schismaticks Great m●n misled and why not 〈…〉 Believe not every spirit T●e Dissenters Cause is still Gods cause Their false Prophets T●e Kings death directed by a Revelation Sedgwicks day of Judgment Vavas●r Powe●s Prophecy of no more Kings or Taxe● Rather the Law of the Land then the Humour of the people A Fear of sinning ought to be cherished even in a mistake Dangerous trusting to scruples Who would have thought it Th● Episcopal Clergy Simeon and Levi. O the force of a misguided Con●cience The very Case of the seduced mu●●i●ude The Name of Libe●ty does mo●e ●●en ●he conside●atio● 〈◊〉 Heaven it self Baxt●r against Liberty And Toleration Liberty the way to set up Popery Mr. Richard an Improper Advocate for Toleration Richard is a Conformist Mr. Baxters Sermon that brought the King in Presbytery for the Lords sake Oh the happy times when Presbyterians rul'd Have a care of scandalous Inventions The Ignorant Church-Tyrants Richard not absolutely against the Cross. ●axters a Loyallist Errour is no e●cuse for disobedience The Pre●eoce of Natu●e and true Reason avoids ●ll Law A Popu●ar Fallacy The Presby●eri●n way of b●in●ing in ●he King Richards challenge In justification o● the Non-Conformis●s The Non-Conformists charge A Presbyterian defin'd Presbyterians swallow ap all othe● Sect● at ●irst and t●en sp●w the● up ag●in Richard say● that the Episc●pal m●n b●gan ●he war T●e two Hous●s Lord ●ieu●e●●n●s O●●ic●r Civil and Mi●i●●●y Assemb●y 〈◊〉 Divine● a●m●st all Episcop●l m●n The Kings ●●gag'd Enem●●●●ere all 〈◊〉 〈…〉 The Parliament b●ought in the Scots Few worthier Assemblies since the Apostles days Their good na●u●e toward the Independents The Guild-Hall ha●●ngue● 〈◊〉 brought in the Scots His Majesties Proclamation against the Assembly of Divines Jun 22. 1643. Painful Able Laborious Ministers The Loyall Presbyterians The 〈…〉 Kings Proclamation A Dutiful Proposition The Worthy 〈◊〉 The 〈…〉 An Abuse put upon the Nation An Extract of Par●iament Proceedings 1643. The Assembly stir up the people to rise Prov'd to he a Presbyterian War Richard says the War began about Religion Baxter says it began about matter of Law Richard says 't was about the Militia Baxter says the War was made for Reformation A lewd scandal upon the late Kings Government R●c●ard will not allow of war ●ot Religion Baxter i● for a Re●igious Wer. They are fools that think ●ther 〈◊〉 In ca●● o● p●r●secuti●● we figh●●or our own and our pos●eri●●●●●al●ation The late Kings s●ffe●ings forgot en among g●eater 〈…〉 Pryn Burton and Bastwick lamented but not a word ●f the Royal Mar●yr Presbytery not setled say● Rich●rd Baxter contradicts hi● And co●fo●●s himsel● with comparing 〈◊〉 day of Richard P●otector wi●h Charle ● Ten 〈◊〉 Hypocrites Now 〈◊〉 One 〈◊〉 Baxters Comp●e●en● to the Sons of the 〈◊〉 1659 Richard Cromwells fait●full Subiects Mr. Baxters Political Aphorismes composed expresly to keep out the King Poor R●chard like 〈…〉 and pr●ying again●t the Scots The spirit of Malignity has taken 〈◊〉 the Army The Presbyterians Per●ecuted The Presbyterians Journey-men the Army se● up for themselves Somewhat of an accomoda-Generosi●y in the Independents The poor Presbyterians persecuted by the Army for not joyning against the Scots Oh the persecution o● forcing men against their Conscien●es But so long as ●hey do not suffer as evil-doers No persecution to oppresse the Church and all that love it Mr. Baxt●r places the Crown upon the wrong Head The King destroy'd by Presbyterians as Presbyterians The Loyalty of ●axters Orthodox sober Ministers Richard subject to the Higher power but not resolv'd which it is An Even score of Orthodox sober Divines The last Kings bloud not valu'd at a Ceremony ☞ The Kings Murther justify'd the day after it was committed All Christian Kings Anti-Christianiz'd ☜ A Reflection upon ●is Majes●y a●●er his De●e●t at Wo●cester Prelacy Anti-Christian A Pedant triumphing over Charles the II. and Monarchy it self And calling the King Tyrant Are These Fit Agents for Unity and Peace Richard True to the King but he mistook the King Baxters Re●stauration Sermon Asserts the Presbyterian Loyalty Makes the King a Subject and worse Pleads for Presbytery without a word of restoring the King The War rais●d for King and Par●ia●ent Their Oaths Covenants were fast and loose at pleasure The pretext of the War Religion the Cause Ambition The Loyal Presbyte●ians usurp Sovereign Power The Two Houses were the King in the Covenant No Reconciling of the Covenant King the Legal Richard holds Oaths to Princes to be Dispensable Baxter holds Oaths of Allegiance to be Indispensable Richard will hate the Covenant binding as it is a Vow The League and Covenant and Vow and Covenant The League and Covenant Impos d. Baxter is his own on●essor ●nd bsolves himse●f The Covenan● for the King qualify'd for Re●igion If the King be against Religion the Covenant is against him Richard lays the Death of the King to Oliver The Baxterians attack'd the King And they fough● to kill
Thing is done is lesse a great deal then to forethink the doing of it And it is not only that you are sufficiently convinc'd of the mischiefs of a Toleration but your Conscience if I be not much mistaken will make as good a shift as any mans without it Ri. W● are against no Bishop or Church-Government of Gods Appointment Prof. of Non-consormists P. 89. We hold it not unlawful to take Oathes and make Covenants Subscriptions or Declarations of things Lawfull when Authority commandeth us Ibid. P. 98. We readily Subscribe the doctrine of the 39. Articles Ib. 98. We are far from condemning all Forms of Prayer and Publick Liturgy P. 100. We pick no Quarrells about Forms and Words Church-Div p. 176. Tell me if you can where God forbids you to use Good and Lawfull Words in Prayer meerly because the Magistrate or Pastor bids you use them Is this the meaning of all the Precepts of Honouring and Obeying your Superiours Do nothing which they bid you do though otherwise Lawful O Strange Exposition of the 4 th Commandement p. 178. I take the Common Prayer to be Incomparably better then the Prayers or Sermons of many that I hear and to be the best that I expect in many places when I go to Church R.Bs. Letter to Mr. Hinckly p. 78. It 's like the Pharisees Long Liturgy was in many things worse then Ours though the Psalmes were a great part of it and yet Christ and his Apostles oft joyned with Them and never Condemned them Ch. Div. P. 176. He is void of Common sense that thinketh that his Extemporary Prayer is not as truly a Form to all the People as if it had been written in a Book And every Publick Minister Imposeth a Form of Prayer upon all the Congregation Ibid. 179. We hold not all the use of Images even the Images of Holy Persons to be Vnlawfull Profession of Nonconformists P. 104. We hold not a Gown or other meer distinctive Garment for Ministers to be Vnlawful And some of us hold a Surplice rather to be used then the Ministry forsak●● Ibid. Many of us hold it Lawfull to communicate Kneeling Ibid. p. 105. We all hold that God must be Orderly and Decently Worshipped with the Body as well as Spiritually with the minde And that Reverend Gestures and Behaviours are fit not only to expresse Mental Reverence to God but also to Excite it in our selves and others Ibid. 105. We are for the use of the Creed Commandements and Lords Prayer p. 106. Ba. It is now about Twenty Years since I Preach'd at a Fast to the Parliament for Loyalty the King the next morning was voted home to his Crown and Government 2 d part● of Non-Con Plea Preface In This Sermon I have given the World a Tast of my Affections to the Church Gentlemen I have nothing to ask of you for my self nor any of my Brethren as for Themselves but that you will be Friends to Serious Preaching and Holy Living and will not ensnare our Consciences with any Vnscripturall Inventions of men This I would beg of you as on my Knees 1. As for the sake of Christ. 2. for the sake of Thousands of poor Souls 3. For the Sake of Thousands of the dear Friends of the Lord. 4. For your own sakes 5. For the sake of your Posterity 6. For the Honour of the Nation and your Selves 7. For the Honour of Sound doctrine and Church-Government c. Pa. 45. and 46. For if you Frown on Godlynesse under pretense of Vniformity in Vnnecessary things and make things worse then when Libertinism and Schisme so prevail'd the people will look back with Groans and say What happy times did we once See! And so will honour Schisme and Libertinisme and Vsurpation through Your Oppression 8. I beg this of you for the Honour of Sovereignty and the Nations Peace Ibid. And then for your new-made Religions and needless Scandalous Inventions and an adoring of your Titles and Robes of Honour covering your Ignorance Pride and Sensuality which Church Tyrants call the Order of the Church c. All the Images of Piety Government Unity Peace and Order which Hypocrites and Pharisees sat up are despised Engines to destroy the Life and Serious Practi●e of the things Themselves and are set up in Enmity against Spirituality and Holyness that there might be no other Piety Government Unity Peace or Order in the Church but These Liveless Images Ch. Div. Pa. 105. 106. Ri. Though we are not satisfied of the lawfullness of using the Transient Image of the Crosse as a dedicating Sign and Symbol of Christianity so much Sacramental much lesse to refuse from Baptisme and Christendome all Christian Infants unlesse they will have them so Crossed no more then if a Crucifix were so Imposed and used yet do we not Condemn all use of either Crosse or Crucifix Nor do we presume Conscientiously to Reproach and dishonour the Antient Christians who living among Pagans that derided Christ Crucify'd did shew them by oft using this sign that they were not ashamed of the Crosse. And though we find that they used more Rites and significations devised Signs and Ceremonies then we think they should have done yet we judg it our Duty to love and honour their Memorial Nor do we take all Rites to be Sinfull that are significant Non-conformists Profession Pa. 103.104 Ba. You are not satisfy'd of the Lawfulnesse c. you say But are you convinc'd of the Vnlawfulnesse For we must obey Magistrates though we know not that their Commands are Lawful so long as they are so Indeed and we have no sufficient reason to believe them Unlawfull Holy C●m Thesis 323. For It is not our Erroneous Conceits that a Lawfull Command is Unlawfull that will excuse any man from the Guilt of Disobedience Ibid. 357. But if a thing seem to you very needfull to a Good End and yet the word be against it avoid it c. And if you ●hink that the Scripture commandeth you This or That Positive means if Nature and True Reason assure you that it is against the End and is like to do much more harm then good be assured that you mistake That Scripture Ch. Divis. pa. 205. Mo. It is a strange thing Mr Richard that your Consci●nce should be so easy to your self and yet so Troublesome to the Government But your Reserve of leaving every Pivate man to judge First of the Condition of the Law by the Word and Then of his Iudgment of That Scripture whether it be Right or Wrong by Nature and Right Reason This Reserve I say undoes all again For every man that does Ill with a Good Intention reckons that he has Nature and Right Reason on his side Now for You Mr. Baxter you tell us over and over so often of your Fast S●rmon to the H●●se of Commons and the Kings being called in the n●xt day as if That very Sermon