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A04843 The fourth sermon preached at Hampton Court on Tuesday the last of Sept. 1606. By John Kinge Doctor of Divinity, and Deane of Christ-Church in Oxon King, John, 1559?-1621. 1607 (1607) STC 14975; ESTC S108027 28,604 52

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this delicate vvine of humane plausible invention let him breefly vnderstand Parents it had of incomparable worth and credit in the Church of Christ which begot it with the strength of imagination I thinke they thought it good bare it not without paine and vvith much contradiction brought it forth with zeale nursed it vvith care christened it vvith the holiest names they could devise apparrelled it with the fairest colours pretexts of scripture the primitiue church and so sent it forth into the worlde as delitias humani generis the blessedst babe that euer anie age of the world brought forth bearing the right stampe of the purest and surest reformation Quis non in hun●errorem abripiatur ducibus Calvino Beza saide a learned father of our Church though not of our nation vvho like a Tiresias had in a sorte experienced both kindes of governments You are not ignorant what Ierome held of Origen Malo cum Origine errare quā cum alijs vera sentire he had rather erre with Origen then thinke the truth with other men Anaxagoras ●ivem esse nigram dixit ferresnè siegaidem dicerem Anaxagoras might say the snow was blacke an other might not do it The fashion of the world is Pauci res ips as sequuntur plures nominarerum plurimi nomina magistrorum I am of Paul one crieth an other I am of Cephas Tutum est peccare authoribus illis Men hold it safe to erre by authority Of which men I will speake no worse hauing been the sonnes of mine owne mother and fathers of many sonnes begottē in the gospel of Christ then Austin said of Cyprian a glorious starre in the firmament of the Church one that lost his light for the testimony of the truth Sicut multa erant quae doctus Cyprianus doceret sic erat aliquidquod Cyprianus docibilis disceret Learned Cypri an raught and learned Cyprian might learne He maintained an errour about the rebaptization of heretikes cum octoginta ferè Episcopis Africanarum ecclesiarū that no man may wonder at an errour in the Church an errour of continuance it lasted through many Africā Coūcels vpheld by as worthy pillers as the church had any 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 may the be it that dwel in mortality say though their fames liue in their ever-liuing bookes and their names are written in the booke of life we also are men we are no better then our fathers we know but in part we haue our affections and imperfections errours and escapes blemishes as all other men Jt is not to bee thought but their grounds were firme vnmoueable wheron they staied themselues According to the rule of Tertulliā id verius quod prius the elder the better they haue made their discipline the of-spring of Christ the most anciēt apostolique Church frō whence they perswade themselues they are able to deriue it along throughout all ages as by certaine ruines they say rather traces and foote prints in the writings of the learned may appeare downe to these present times hence forth of force to continne to the worlds end Our answere to this hath beene whilst the husbandmen yet stept and being not throughly awaked vp on better advise suffered these tares to grow vp in the Church carried it seemeth with the streame of a common receiued opinion that such presbyteries had erst beene our answere hath beenell say admitting that antiquitie that neuer was yet that one and the selfe-same forme of Church-policie be fitteth not all times all places but according to the variety therof recipit im● exigit receiueth ●ay requireth variation of orders The answere was verie in it For who can conceiue that one and the same fashion can accorde vnto her in her infancy and fuller growth persecuted in peace flying with the woman in the wildernes and resting as the doue in the arke lying in the caues of the ground sitting as a Queene vpon a glorious seat sometimes vnder an heathen Emperour sometimes a Christian now an Arriā and then orthodoxe againe at one time dwelling in lerusalem a citty built at vnity within it selfe at an other diffused into a large and open region whilst shee is pusillus gre● a little stocke and when her children come stocking by troups as doues to their windowes lastly in the daies of hir marriage if I may so speak and in the daies of hir widowhood when the bridegrome is taken from her in the full floud Ocean and tedundancy of the miraculous gifts of the holy Ghost and when she is reduced to a measure and stint but of ordinary graces You may aswell shape a coat for the moone waxing waning chāging into so many formes as set downe one manner of discipline for the body of the Church They call it the Churches Liverie which I see not but in the sommer of hir peace may be of one stuffe of an other in the winter of hir troubles Say these elders had beene in the Primitine Church as they neuer vvere therfore to continue Si revacas temporum illorum mores primùm conditiones statum quoque illorum revoca If you vvill call backe the vses of those times make the state of our times equall vnto them and put vs vnder a pagan Emperour and persequntion againe Gloria filiae regis ab intùs the internal beawty of the Church is alwaies the same but hir outward garmēt is of diuers colours and requisite it is that it should be so for if there were no alteration ceremonies would be taken not to be ceremonies but matters of substance To conclude Tertullians rule is infallible Regula fidei immobilis irreformabilis caetera disciplina conversationis admittunt nou●tatem correctionis One body one spirit one lord one faith one baptisme One gouernment one policy one ceremony one discipline was neuer spoken But that is not the bucklet we hold forth against them at this time Let them lead vs into these cellars of the bridegrome as the phrase of this booke is and from the vessel of any one sentence or syllable therin draw out vnto vs the smallest drop of assurance that ever this presbytery was instituted by Christ or his Apostles and we are ready vpon the sight to ioine hands with them But I verily assure my selfe vnlesse they will wrest and pervert scripture and in steed of the naturall milke it giueth inforce out the bloud of violent interpretation and cause it to walke a mile or two farther for their fancy thē ever the holy Ghost meant it there is not one word to be founde that assertaineth this opinion J finde in the booke of Christ a double presbytery mentioned one of the Iewes wherof Paul speaketh Act. 22. 5. the cheefe priest doth beare me witnes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and the whole state and consistory of the elders From thence was he armed with letters and power to Damascus to persecute the Saints albeit the