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B00623	The peoples plea for the exercise of prophesie. Against Mr. Iohn Yates his monopolie. / By Iohn Robinson.	Robinson, John, 1575?-1625.; Yates, John, d. ca. 1660.; Brewster, William, 1566 or 7-1644, printer, attributed name.	1618 (1618)	STC 21115A; ESTC S94919	38,827	88

the rest what wether this wind will bring who seeth not Moreouer whereas vvee propound such interpretations and doctrines as we gather from the Scriptures by discourse of reason and so may erre they on the contrary every one of them delivered doctrine by immediate inspiration of the spirit in which by reason of the divine impression which it made in their hearts differencing it from all both humane collection and Diabolicall suggestion they could not erre or be mistaken but knew infallibly when and wherein they were moved by the H. Ghost Befides there is not like reason of strange tongues and prophesie for the consideration in hand since the Church is not built upon the foundation of strange tongues as upon the foundation of prophesie neither was the matter of the speech inspired but the language onely except the same persons were Prophets also Lastly if there were the like reason of tongues and prophesie yet except men might erre in a tongue and deem themselues inspired extraordinarily when they were not which were absurd to affirme it could not evince any possibility of erring in doctrine by extraordinary Prophets The last Argument in my booke I take from v. 37. 38. If any man think himself to be a prophet or spirituall let him acknowledg that the things that I write unto you are the commandements of the Lord But if any be ignorant let him be ignorant M. Yates taxeth mee for making a Prophet and spirituall man all one since by a spirituall man is meant such as excelled in any spirituall gift prophesie or other But without cause since I neither mean more nor need more for my purpose then that a Prophet bee included in the generall of a spirituall man But wherefore doth he not answer the Argument or minde where the force thereof lieth which is in the words following let him acknowledge that the things that I write are the commandements of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant let him be ignorant The extraordinary prophets were guided as immediately infallibly by the revelation of Gods spirit as Paul himself might as wel haue required of him to acknowledg that the things which they speak were the commandements of the Lord a● hee of them neither was it possible that they or any of them should bee ignorant that the things which hee spake were the commandements of the Lord. Which Argument is also much strengthened and made in my iudgement unanswerable by that which we finde v. 36. Came the word of God out from you or came it unto you onely which words the Apostle doth not direct unto the women as M. Yates misconceaveth with great errour and contrary both unto reason and to the expresse Greek text which will not beare it but to the Prophets with whom hee dealeth and that by way of comparison with himself frō whom to wit by immediate revelation the word of God came after a sort to the Corinthians VVhich plainly proues that they could not bee extraordinary Prophets from whom the word of God came unto the Church as well as frō himselfe they being inspired immediately by the Holy Ghost as well as he The Christian Reader may finde besides these other reasons from this Scripture laid down by our worthy countryman M. Cartwright in his Confutation of the Rhemists Sect. 5. for the iustification of this exercise as ordinary and continuall The other Arguments in the same place of my booke to the same purpose though M. Yates could not but take knowledge of yet hath he not thought good to meddle vvith One of them only I will annex in this place word for word as there I haue set it downe It is the commandement of the Lord by the Apostle that a Bishop must be apt to teach and that such Elders or Bishops bee called as are able to exhort with sound doctrine and to conuince the gain-sayers 1. Tim. 3.2 Tit. 1.9 Now except men before they bee in office may bee permitted to manifest their gifts in doctrine and so in prayer which are the two maine works requiring speciall qualifications in the teaching Elders Acts 6.4 how shall the Church which is to choose them take knowledge of their sufficiency that with faith and good conscience they may call them and submit unto them for their guides If it be sayd that upon such occasion triall may be taken of mens gifts he that so saith grants the question but must know besides first that mens gifts and abilities should be knowne in some measure before they be once thought on for officers and secondly that there is none other use or triall of gifts to wit in and by the Church but in prophesying for every thing in the Lords house is to bee performed in some ordinance there is nothing thrown about the house or out of order in it and other ordinance in the Church saue this of prophesie is there none wherein men out of office are to pray and teach c. Lastly M. Yates in denying this liberty besides other evils reproveth the practise of all reformed Churches and of the Church of England with them It is not onely permitted as lawfull but required as necessary where liue that such as haue bent their thoughts towards the ministery should before hand use their gifts publickly in the Church and intollerable bondage it would bee thought by them to haue pastors ordained for them as all there are unto the places in which they are to minister of whose ability in teaching they had not taken former experience And not onely so but it hath been further decreed in solemne Synod that in all Churches whether springing up or grown to perfection the order of prophesie should be observed according to Pauls institution and that into that fellowship to wit of Prophets should be admitted not onely the ministers but also the Teachers and of the Elders and Deacons and even of the very common people exipsa plebe if there were any which would confer their gifts received of the Lord to the common benefit of the Church c. Harmon Synod Belg. de prophetica Ex Synodo Embdana Can. 1.2 And for England it selfe what will M. Yates say to the Common Places as they are called or Sermons as indeed they are in the Colledges not onely permitted unto but imposed upon divers who never receved order of Priesthood VVhat to such as Preach by the Bishops licence without any such order yea to all such as are ordained and called ministers but haue not actuall charge and so are like the Popish accidents in the Sacrament without a subiect Lastly it might be shewed if need were that greater liberty then he alloweth is used by divers in the Romish Church the Spirituall Egipt and house of bondage for Gods people so as the bondage of the very Hagar of Rome is not so great in this case as he would bring upon Sarah her selfe The Lord giue unto his people courage to stand for this liberty amongst the rest wherewith Christ hath made them free and unto us who enioy it grace to use the same unto his glory in our mutuall edification Amen FINIS

the woman of Samaria serue your turne that it is lawfull for men to exercise such a gift It is indeed my simplicitte to think that the Gospell as the word importeth is nothing else but glad tydings and that to preach the Gospell is nothing else but to carry or bring glad tydings of Christ before promised then come into the world It is also my simplicity to think since by the tydings which this woman brought many of the Samaritans beleeved on Christ in a measure v. 39. and that without preaching of the word of God none can beleeue Rom. 10 14.17 that therfore she preached unto the Samaritans the same word of God in a measure also and that as truly and effectually as ever M. Yates did to his parishioners though she went not up into a pulpit as he doth And that he may iudge aright of this matter let him call to minde that those Samaritans received the bookes of Moses as did the Iewes and as they looked for the Messias or Christ promised to and of Abraham bearing themselues for the children of the Patriarks and true worshippers of God as they had been v. 20.28 and being so prepared were easily made as regions or corne fields white unto the Harvest v. 35. And so this woman by declaring unto them that by which this Iesus the sonne of Mary proved himselfe to be the Christ or Messias promised preached faith unto them most properly and effectually even that main poynt of faith then in controversie both in Iudaea and Samaria and Galilee and the Countries thereunto adioyning which was that Iesus was the Christ I suppose M. Yates hath not sufficiently thought of these things and do hope that in godly modesty he will suffer himselfe to be better informed And for contradiction between these two propositions A woman may not teach in the Church and A woman may teach out of the Church or where no Church is as it was in Samaria it must be by other Logicke then I haue learnt But hee will then demand as he doth how this Womans preaching can serue my turn I answer very well by good consequence of Reason thus If a woman may lawfully teach out of the Church to the begetting of faith as this woman did but not in the Church because she is a woman by sex then a man against whom that reason of restraint of Sex lieth not may lawfully teach both without and within the Church Of which consequence more hereafter Another Scripture is Act. 8.1.4 with chap. 11.19.20.21 where it is recorded how all the Church at Ierusalem was scattered abroad except the Apostles and that they which were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word c. M. Yates answereth that besides the Apostles which were in office there were seventy disciples which Christ before his death had made labourers in his harvest and therefore these might preach or any other that had an extraordinary gist of prophesie the one by vertue of his office and gift together the other by commission from the Holy Ghost to exercise that gift which they had received in the day of Pentecost or any other But sayes your Authour compare this place with Acts 11.19.20.21 and the truth will fully appeare I answer it will fully appeare against you for Christ charged both his Apostles and likewise the 70. Disciples that they should preach to none but the Iewes and therefore it is sufficient that they had so many preachers in office already by the commission of Christ to goe through all those places neither will I deny that there might bee others whom the Holy Ghost immediatly raised up to manifest the excellent gifts that were to be powred down upon the Church in the primitiue times His answer is very dark ambiguous but in which are contained sundry errors evident enough First he makes those of the dispersiō which went about preaching the word to be of the 70 disciples Luk. 10. and others the like furnished with an extraordinary gift of prophesie but seems to allow them for no officers in the beginning of his answer when he thus speaketh Besides the Apostles which were in office there were 70. Disciples c. yet afterwards in these words and therefore it is sufficient that they had so many preachers in office already by the commission of Christ to goe thorough all these places c he bestowes some office or other upon them Secondly hee misseth in two Scriptures which in his answere hee pointeth at the former is Act. 2.4 where he gathereth that others besides the twelue received the gift of prophesie extraordinary at the day of Pentecost the second if I mistake not is Math. 10.5.6 where he racks the edict or prohibition of Christ layed upon the Apostles and as he saith upon the 70. Disciples of preaching to any but Iewes far aboue the reach therof even unto this time of the dispersiō wheras it reached onely to the death of Christ when the wall of partition between Iewes and Gentiles was broken downe after which they were by the expresse words of their Commission to preach to all people beginning indeed at Ierusalem and tarrying there till they were indued with power from on high and so proceeding unto all nations Luk. 24.47.49 as it is also recorded Act. 11.20 that some of this dispersion preached the L. Iesus to the Grecians in Antioch Thirdly it is plain by that which I haue formerly said that neither these 70 disciples no nor the 12. were by Christ possessed of any office before his death no nor yet furnished with any extraordinary gifts of prophesie the Evangelist who knew well and is worthy to be beleeved bearing also witnesse with mee that the Holy Ghost was not yet given because that Iesus was not yet glorified Iohn 7.39 Lastly it is altogether unreasonable to imagine that they who were scattered preached abroad being the body of the Church at Ierusalem excepting the Apostles were all officers and little more reasonable to think that they were all extraordinarily indued with the spirit of Prophesie For first there is no circumstance in the text leading that way and to imagine extraordinary and miraculous things without good evidence is extraordinary licentiousnesse and presumption 2. the onely titles giuen unto them are all the Church which was at Ierusalem they that were scattered abroad and againe c. 11. they which were scattered abroad some of thē were mē of Cyprus Cyrene c. nothing insinuating any office of ministry 3. Their preaching here there is onely noted to be by reason of their scattering hither thither through persecution and not of any extraordinary gift and dispensation committed unto them Fourthly if they had been extraordinary Prophets immediately and extraordinarily inspired there had been no need of so speedy sending of Barnabas from Ierusalem to Antioch with supply though hee were a man full of the Holy Ghost for so were such Prophets as well as he Eph. 2.20 3.5 I conclude therefore as before that these mens preaching was by a gift and liberty common unto them and us The next Scripture is