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A89682 An apology for the service of love, and the people that own it, commonly called, the family of love. Being a plain, but groundly discourse, about the right and true Christian religion : set forth dialogue-wise between the citizen, the countreyman, and an exile : as the same was presented to the high court of Parliament, in the time of Queen Elizabeth; and penned by one of her Majesties menial servants, who was in no small esteem with her, for his wisdom and godliness. With another short confession of their faith, made by the same people. And finally some notes & collections, gathered by a private hand out of H.N. upon, or concerning the eight beatitudes. Niclaes, Hendrik, 1502?-1580? 1656 (1656) Wing N1122; Thomason E1610_1; ESTC R210332 24,412 73

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iniquity and with all Hypocrites receive their portion in the hellish condemnation consider advisedly of it for it is very true Citizen But wilt thou say that all those and such like are no Christian Exile Yes verily by signe or outward show and name they be Citizen And must not such preach the truth notwithstanding shew forth the many high knowledges and secret mysteries out of the Scriptures Exile Yea all what they heart spoken or chance to read in any writing that can they readily speak out againe But not like as all those true prophets of God and disciples of Christ have alwayes done out of any Godly understanding through the holy Spirit of God or Christ for that were impossible because the same Spirit is not with them For allbeit they have the Scriptures and the Godly witnesses wherethrough they mean to be understanding and wise yet forasmuch as they give not all their understanding over as captive under the obedience of the love of Christ and his holy word as under that same Being or life whereunto the Scripture witnesseth but run still forth with the knowledge so have they verily neither light truth spirit nor being of God Christ nor of his word And therefore they neither know nor yet understand any thing at all rightly of that whereof they then praie or speak forth unto others Citizen If all such as thou hast here spoken of were libertines having neither light truth nor spirit of God or Christ then God be mercifull unto us for then were it all in vain for many a one in these dayes to stand up or teach in a Congregation notwithstanding I cannot be perswaded as yet although I most needs grant that for the most part they do not live the same which they do teach to others like as they themselves have confessed but that they neverthelesse preach unto the people both Gods word the truth out of the right spirit be they themselves never to evil else God forbid And I pray you Sirs did not Judas amongst the rest of the apostles go and preach the Gospel and yet was not he a wicked one and betrayed his master And did not Peter which denied his master preach Gospel also And it is written The Scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses seat or Chair what they bid you observe that observe and do But as they do do you not for they sayd and do nor Therefore why may not wicked men preach the truth Exile Let us consider advised by of the Scriptures and be no longer deceived Forasmuch as it standeth written that Christ is the light of the world the Heavenly truth the right spirit yea and the word of God it self Then how were it possible that those which are void of Christ should preach or prophesie aright the true to inde or word of God contained in the holy Scriptures the whilst I say that the same spirit of truth is not in them for it is written that the Scripture never came by the will or mind of man but holy men of God did speak as they were inspired by the holy Ghost And it is written also that the naturall or fleshly minded man perceaveth not the things of God c. And again wisdom will not dwell in a froward soul nor yet in a body that is subdued to sin For where wickednesse hath the upper hand the holy Ghost doth flie from thence And yet note then moreover that after such time that man hath once entred into Judas he preached not 〈◊〉 Peter perceaving afterward what he had done he wept bitterly wherefore I am not against any one that will weep with Peter And as for such as sit in Moses seat or chair which teach the law uprightly I have not once touched I speak onely of them that sit in their own chair of pestilence which reach their own law or Imagination of their fleshly parts and good thinking but not the holy lan● of the Lord which is spirituall and containeth the truth the life or Christ it self And therefore for want of the true spirit of understanding there ariseth in these dayes great contention about the Scriptures Citizen The more is to be lamented But yet I pray thee answer me herein for I am not resolved in this matter Have we not now the truth amongst us Is not now the Gospel preached sincerely and received of all people thankfully to their salvation where through the bonds of Antichrist which is the Pope of Rome that had us long in captivity are now broken and we all by that means set at liberty Exile We have no doubt the holy Scriptures which bear witness of the truth and therein the minde or meaning of the truth is contained amongst us So have we many wholsome Sermons preached and declared unto us notwithstanding had we the truth amongst us so had we Christ amongst us and had we Christ amongst us so world we no doubt lo●e him or his word and neither would persecute him nor his members And then had he once a form or shape in us so should he likewise manifestly appear out of us in our good conversation and holy walking For it is written If Christ be in you then is the body dead or mortified concerning sin And again Whosoever hath not the spirit of Christ the same is none of his And were the Gospel preached sincerely out of the truth that is out of the spirit of God or Christ through a good conversation under the obedience of the word in all meek-mindedness and godly love so would many thousands in this land doubtless have repented them of their former life and amended their ways upon the preaching of the same Gospel and would have moreover followed the footsteps of such godly Preachers or Prophets as had even so imitated Christ and so then in very deed the people should have received the Gospel thankfully to their salvation and by that means should the bonds of Antichrist which is the sin the devil or will of the flesh which hath long time held us captive be broken in us and we then rightly through Christ should have been delivered there-from and set at liberty Notwithstanding how many in these days are set at liberty or have taken to themselves at liberty to do all manner of uncomliness both against God and man I refer that to the Testimony of their own Consciences Citizen I perceive then thou art not against any godly Preachers that walk forth in all obedience of the word and in whom Christ doth live and dwell which also do shew forth through the same meek-minded spirit all due obedience to God and Governours as likewise an upright lovely peaceable and brotherly life towards all men and that preach forth the same word of truth and life which they as then have both felt handled and tasted of unto others moe Exile No verily but I do reverence in the Lord all such as the true ministers and distributers of the heavenly riches and
his And the mighty God from whom all good doth proceed shall through his Christ claim unto him all godlinesses or vertues which are proceeded from him together with all whatsoever separateth it self from the iniquity hath handfast it self or held fellowship with the godlinesses all those as incorporated members to the godlinesses and godded or spirited with God in one spirit shall go to God again and shall reign with God and Christ soul and body in the kingdom of heaven and live in joy everlastingly It is very true Citizen But is there not some Predestinate unto preservation and again some predestinate unto condemnation as also elected thereto from the beginning Exile Yes verily there are two with their members that are predestinated or preordained thereunto from the beginning The one is Christ the man of God predestinate unto preservation and with him all his incorporated members The other is the man of sin Antichrist predestinate unto condemnation and in him all his incorporated members As for any other predestination then this come it out of Turkey or else where I know not of it Citizen Thou hast told me the truth and also fully answered me to all things natural and spiritual which I have demanded of thee What shall I ask more God be merciful unto us and unto all such as err of ignorance and give them eys of understanding and ears of pure hearts that they seeing in what estate they yet do stand and hearing also which is the right way to come out might repent them turn from their wickedness believe rightly and so come to the knowledge of truth and be saved Amen Now Countrey-man thou hast heard this fellow and his wonderful answers what sayest thou to it for I am almost at my wits end and marvellously astonied Countrey-man Doubtlesse Citizen he is in great Heresies and misbelief or else I may tell to thee in counsel in any of the learned in these days are far out of the way that leadeth to life and also ignorant of the ground of the heavenly truth wherefore I think it not amiss that thou examine him concerning his belief in God the Father in Jesus Christ the Son and in the Holy Ghost the Comforter and whereupon he hath grounded his Religion how he came by this understanding what he thinks of our learned Preachers in these days as also of other matters as thou shalt think meet lest haply we might be seduced through some subtil heretick infidel or disobedient person which perchance might be against the Queens Religion or else pretended to bring confusion over the Land Citizen Thy counsel is very good but then I pray thee rather talk with him thy self for I am brought into such a trembling perplexity and sorrow of heart since I have heard him and that as well for mine own cause as also for others which I yet see going astray that I dare ask no more questions Countrey-man Very well then I will talk with him my self Come hither Exile shew us I pray thee whereon thy belief and thy religion standeth grounded Exile I protect before God and man That my belief is in God the Father in Jesus Christ the Son and in the Holy Ghost the Comforter and is grounded on the Faith of the Holy Fathers Prophets and Apostles mentioned in the holy Scriptures also according to the common Apostolick Creed the Creed of Athanasius and the Nicene Creed to even so far forth as I may obtaine grace and power thereto of the Lord. Secondly I acknowledge there is no other way or mean either of remission of sins or of salvation for us to be had or yet mercy to be obtained at Gods hand but alone in by and through the death passion and resurrection of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour And that he hath offered once for all upon the Altar of His Cross a full perfect and sufficient sacrifice and oblation for the sins of all the whole world Thirdly I do acknowledge that none shall be partakers thereof but only such as upon the publishing forth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ do shew forth an unfained repentance for their sins past and walk in new obedience or in a new life according to the requiring of the Gospel also such as believe aright in God and Christ and are even so baptized into the death of Christ Such as are regenerate of the water and of the spirit and forsaking themselves and their own lives do take up their cross on them and follow after Christ in death and sinful lusts and desires and so stand as those that are waking and waiting for the coming of their bridgroom ready prepared having both oyl in their vessels and light in their Lamps Such as love God and his Christ and as his very disciples keep his Commandements and walk in all love towards God and their neighbour and in all dutiful submission and allegiance towards their Governors and also live obediently under all their manly Ordinances And finally such as in whom Christ liveth and dwelleth or those that incline themselves under the obedience of the love of Jesus Christ and of his holy word with all diligence thereunto Now as touching my Religion this I say so often as I call to mind and consider the great love and kindness of God the Father shewed on me unworthy one in that he hath created me like unto his own Image and given me also his Law for that I might live therein And which is much more hath out of his meer love and mercy and of our part undeserved sent his sonne Christ to be a Saviour of the world c. So stand I Religatus or bound again that is to say Religious to love my Lord and God which loveth me so intirely with all my soul heart and might and for His loves sake to love my neighbour as my self To love my Prince and all that bear authority under her to live as a subject under her Laws and humane Ordinances And finally to walk uprightly peaceably and brotherly among all people in all love And this is only to be obtained at Gods hand by prayer and humble submission under the obedience of Gods holy word through the comforting of the Holy Ghost or Spirit of Love of which spirit God hath promised to shed forth upon his sons and daughters plentifully now in these last days like as is manifest in the Service of Love And therefore I acknowledge that whosoever now shall refuse to incline or indeavour himself for to walk in the same small or narrow way being called or warned thereto out of love by the Gospel of Jesus Christ to live in such a groundly faith of Jesus Christ in such a true Religion and upright obedience to God and Governors and in all subjection under Gods holy Laws and manly Ordinances and likewise in such a brotherly love towards his neighbour and peaceable life towards all men as I have here rehersed and likewise as is more at large expressed