sufficient For Paul may plant and Apollo water but it is God that gives the increase and yet the word of God as made known in the holy Scriptures must be our rule to act and live by in order to Gods blessing of Spirit and grace to our regeneration and compleating the same unto eternall life Besides we have no promises of Gods giving his spirit unto sinners that have it not to quicken those that are dead in trespasses and sins but what is made in the letter of Scripture and no promises of any thing but what is writ there Rom. 5.15 all good newes from heaven to lost sinners is writ there they are written for our learning that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope And yet will you say that all the letter killeth Now Reader lay things together and then judge by all that they have said how true it is that they say they have come off clear in what I have charged them with what difference have they made between the outward declaration and the word of faith which the Apostles preached and writ to the severall Churches if all be but the same as I have cleered from theirs the contradiction and their confused nonsense still remains notwithstanding their bitter censures and shuffles And how notoriously false is that of theirs That not any doth know the Scriptures by the outward declaration when the outward declaration 2. Tim. 3.16 as consisting of words committed to writing is the Scriptures that we plead Rev. 1.17 for a perfect rule the declaration and the matter and sense contained therein but the same all which is the inspiration of God and that which the Spirit saith to the Churches for what the Scriptures saith the Spirit saith because all Scripture is by inspiration of God 2. Pet. 1.20.21 c. And not only John but all the pen-men thereof writ as they were moved by the Spirit of God or the Holy Ghost And hence when you Quakers set up the Spirit to be a perfect Rule of faith and life distinct from the Scriptures it will run you upon these Rocks which you will never evade 1. You must either set up another Spirit distinct from the Spirit of God that gave the Scriptures or 2. Maintain that the same Spirit gives a different rule to that which is written by his own inspiration and so make God not only mutable but contrary to himself which to think is to be abhorred as blasphemous 3. Or that the same Spirit hath given additionall lawes to be the rule above what is written by the Prophets and Apostles on which the Church is built which is hardly so I shall judge untill 1. I see the same divine approbation and confirmation of those Lawes as hath been given of all holy Scriptures 2. And yet those Lawes are as consonant and as agreeable to all the Scriptures as written by the Prophets and Apostles as the Apostles writings are consonant and agreeable to the Prophets 3. And untill they can prove that the Scriptures prophecie of such a change in the Church as to set up superadded Lawes 4. And that themselves are the men that the Scriptures have foretold of to superadde spirituall Lawes in the Church to bind the consciences of all as we affirme that the Scripture doth But to prevent mistakes I grant as they 1. That the Spirit is the rule but then you must understand it as the mind of God is revealed by the Spirit in the Scriptures 2. I grant that we have all need of the illuminating quickning operations and influences of the same Spirit that revealed the rule to enable us to know it and believe it and to apply it to our selves and to applie our selves unto it so as to live unto God in all Christian obedience according to this Rule 3. I grant that the Rule without the blessing of Grace concurring doth not simply of it self enlighten and quicken any nor are any truely and savingly enlightned quickned and renewed but by the revealed word of God as the only means appointed and designed of God to that very end to the intelligent Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God Rom. 10. And of his own good will hath he begot us again by his word Jam. 2.1 And now I shall give a word to my dear friends of Farndon and to all that are abused and drawn aside by these deceivers and the deceits and cheats of their own hearts in hope of a blessing to my poor endeavours who am touched with a deep sense of the sad delusions which at the present you are intangled most desperately in My dear friends Who hath bewitched you that you should not obey the truth which you have once received with a great deal of joy and comfort to your souls when with constancie and patience you have made a good proâ—ession of the wayes of Godlinesse revealed by the word practised by men and women fearing God in all the ages of the Church of Christ you know the times and places when and where your Spirits have been made joyfull in the house of Prayer and praising of the ever blessed God Your hearts have been heated and warmed by the power of his word and Sacraments the strict observing of Sabbathâ— a constant course of the worshipping God in your families by a serious calling upon the name of the Lord instruction of those under you in the principles of Gods truth and fear and have walked before them in all Godlinesse and honesty according to this word of the Lord which now is in contempt and reproach by those that seduce you as is too obvious to the impartiall as is above cleared and their slanders shifts and shuffles discovered You may see how they have reproached the Institutions and ordinances of our Lord as heathenish by compareing them to that great Image of that heathen King Dan. 3.3 You may see how they deny the Scriptures to be a perfect Rule of knowing God believing in him and living unto him And yet they reproach me to be a lying slanderer in charging them with that which is an apparent truth as I have witnessed by their own lying Papers and thus they have reproached me most falsely and the lyes are returned upon their own heads whilst they witnesse themselves perfect and without sin and have entred the new Jerusalem in which none shall enter that makes a lie My friends some of you have heard William Duesbury say of himself In Duesbury new Births he thus witnesseth of himself that he was as perfect as that Christ which dyed at Jerusalem this is witnessed by one of credit and fidelity amongst your selves I forbeare his name Oh proud polluted Worme that dare exalt himself to a perfection equall with God the everlasting father whose name is called Wonderfull Counseller the Prince of peace the mightie God Isa 9. who fulfilled all righteousnesse from his birth to the consummating of all
the simple and David acknowledges it to be both a Lamp and a light Psal 119. Besides whatsoever makes manifest is light but the Scripture doth make manifest what Christ is and what he hath done and suffered and for whom and for what ends So also they make manifest what sin is and the wages thereof what holinesse and true Worship of God is and how God will be served by all that shall be saved therefore the Scriptures are a true light If the Spirit of Christ doth give forth light to men then the Scriptures are a light to enlighten men because holy men writ them as they were moved and inspired by the holy Ghost and all Scripture were given by Inspiration of God and therefore deny the light of Scriptures and deny the light of the Spirit for what the Scripture saith the Spirit saith they being the Revelations and Inspirations of the Spirit And what may we think of these seducers that under pretence of a light within and a perfect Law of God in the heart and the Revelations of Christ in them condemn me for making the Revelations and Inspirations of God in Scripture a perfect Rule of faith and obedience but we are sure the Law of God which Scriptures teach is perfect holy just and good and a sure word and the Inspirations of God contained in Scriptures are true as God himself but as for that Law and Spirit that cannot stand unlesse the Scriptures fall it is easie to discern from whence it is But say they this light is not received from the Scripture but from Christ c. Answ The light of Scripture is the light of Christ as also the Scripture Ministry by which alone Christ became a light to the Gentiles and in that Christ hath appointed a Ministry of men and given them gifts and Authority to preach the Gospell unto the Gentiles and by his blessing hath made them successefull to turn them from darknesse to light as in the Apostles age especially Thus and no otherwise is he sent to be a light unto the Gentiles for how can any believe in him of whom they never heard as hath been spoke to already and what ever is wrought by his Authority in the use of means is all one with being wrought by Christ himself to any that are sober And hence those distinctions of mine are grounded of Christ more strictly and immediately and of Christ more comprehensive and in a mediate sense as he hath made the promise of his presence and blessing to those Ministers of the Gospell that teach and administer in the Church all things whatsoever Christ hath commanded to be done Matth. 28.19 He that walks in the midst of the seven Golden Candlesticks will be with the Scripture Ministry to the end of the World untill the whole be gathered and united to their head and made compleat in him They say this light of Christ cannot be blotted out as thou sayst That which I said was a supposition thus Suppose that all the light of Christ as Redeemer which you from time to time have received from the use of Scriptures Ministry Education Discourse were blotted out of your minds and heads tell me what you could know of Christ as he is designed of God to redeeme lost man and how the work of Redemption is wrought more then the rude heathen that never heard of his name All that they Answer to this is That the light cannot be blotted out as thou saist But what light is that which cannot be blotted out Say they The light of Christ that leads out of darknesse to the knowledge of God to eternall life though they have not the use of Scriptures this light is not received into the mind and head from the Scripture neither cannot be blotted out but it comes from Christ the light of the Gentiles such as thou callest Heathens who many of them shew the work of the Law in their hearts and shall be excused when thou and all that oppose the light of Christ shall be condemned Christians look about you for the Devil was never so bold as now and I think there is more of the Devil in so few lines then ever were writ by man before consider them well I assure you it 's all their own Was ever such an abominable thing asserted amongst Christians The light of Christ that leads out of darknesse to the knowledge of God to eternall life is not received in the mind from the Scripture but from Christ the light of the Gentiles As if the Scriptures were opposed to the light of Christ or of no use to reveal Christ as Redeemer to the salvation of lost man Christians you see now their Answer what it is to the Question namely That the light of Christ without the use of Scripture leads out of darknesse to the knowledge of God to eternall life c. even to the Gentiles that never heard of Christ nor believe in him to salvation But if this be true to what end did Christ come into the world and lay down his life to be a ransome for many and why did he shed his blood for many for remission of sins Christs death and resurrection is all in vain for all the world from the beginning have had this kind of light shewing the work of the law in their hearts and do by nature the things contained in the Law 1. But let them prove that this work of the Law is the light of Christ that Simeon prophesied of and the Prophets and that the Apostles witnessed fulfilled by their preaching and writings 2. And let them prove that the work of the Law in their hearts leads out of darknesse to eternall life The Scriptures say the contrary By the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified nor is there any law that can give life 3. And let them prove that the work of the Law in the hearts of unbelieving Gentiles is a spirituall blesseing of the new Covenant Heb. 8. which the Apostle applyed to the believing Church so did the Prophets of old time Jer. 31. If they cannot prove these three things let shame stop their lying mouths Jesus Christ as he was promised to be a light of the Gentiles Isai 42.6 7. is to be understood of a peculiar spirituall light Christ was given for such a light to the Gentiles as should open the blind eyes and bring out the Prisoners from the Prison and them that sit in darknesse in the Regions and shadow of death out of the Prison house to guide their feet in the way of peace Luk. 1. Which accordingly was fulfilled in the Apostles age but how not by Christ immediately but by Christs Authority who appointed men and furnished them with gifts and abilities to preach the Gospell unto them and opened their hearts to receive it and become Christians in profession and truth And in that they were converted and enlightened by means himself appointed is all one by being converted and enlightened
the visible Church of Christ that are under the Doctrine and ordinances of the grace of the Covenant many are called but few are chosen And these Impostors and Perverters of the new Covenant that teach that all have the Lawes of the new Covenant writ in their hearts may as truly say that all have the promises thereof writ in their hearts then which nothing is more absurd therefore I conclude that as the promises of the Covenant are upon Divine record that we may have hope for our selves and children so likewise is the rule that we are to conforme unto in order to the receiving of the spirituall blessings promised In the next place to excuse their rash insolent censures they assume to themselves To be the spiritual man that judgeth all things and thereupon by their light they say that my blindnesse and deceit is seen and judged who accuseth them of waving the Scripture-authority as if they were out of date Answ And let the World judge what use they make of the Authority of holy Scriptures that have in plain terms denyed them to be the perfect rule of faith and obedience as you have seen before and not many lines off again where they judge me they say The Spirit and light of Christ in them which they witnesse is absolutely binding and the sole judge of error for to him is all judgement given Joh. 5.22 Thus you see they set up another Rule to be sole judge of error and yet they judge me for accusing them falsely But this is but the same in other words which they have urged and I have answered already in the first Question There they say the Spirit is the rule here the light of Christ in them the sole judge of error for they make the light within the law in the heart the Spirit and Christ the exercise of the conscience to be all one and they quote Scriptures meerly to delude the simple and to colour over their real delusions and deceits for if the Spirit and the immediate Revelations of Christ in the heart be the only rule and sole judge of error to what end do they prove it by Scriptures for that which is the sole Judge of error is infallible of it self and needs not any demonstration but faith to believe it that it is so and their going to the Scriptures to prove the Spirit to be the rule in that very thing they make the Scriptures the absolute rule and therein contradict all they say If Christ in them be the sole judge of truth and error why do they make such a noyse of Scripture expressions can they not speak in the Authority of that Christ within them unlesse they fill up their Revelations with those borrowed expressions of the Scriptures which they call a dead Letter that killeth Certainly in the secret of their Consciences they are convinced that the holy Scriptures are the sole Judge of error they being given by the Inspiration of God and the word that we shall be judged by at the last day Joh. 12.48 although they reject it from being the Judge of error now because it crosses their idle proud fancies and itching humors to set up something of their own brain in their Apostate condition and therefore like condition like rule rather then they will repent and return to the right Rule they will set up a Rule of their own making that shall please them better but what will they do in the end thereof Because they had not executed my judgements but despised my statutes and polluted my Sabbaths c. wherefore I gave them statutes also that were not good and judgements whereby they should not live and the Lord polluted them in their own Gifts c. Ezek. 20.24 25. The Lord give them hearts to consider the judgement of God upon such that despise the judgements statutes and Sabbaths the Lord hath commanded in his word Was this judgement of the Lord inflicted for the despising the judgements and Statutes and Sabbaths that were written in their own hearts think you no but for the despising and breaking the statutes lawes and ordinances commanded to be writ and taught the people by Moses and the Prophets as innumerable Texts do evince But while they quote Scripture although they deny it for a rule let us not be beaten with our own weapon and therefore give me leave to examine their quotations to prove the spirituall man and the light of Christ within to be the sole judge of error distinct from the Scriptures The 1 Cor. 2.14 15. them that are spirituall are put in opposition to the naturall man the one knows approves and judges of spiritual things the other receives not the things of the Spirit nor can he know them because they are spiritually discerned the spirituall man hath his senses exercised to discerne and judge of things that differ but it is no where said he doth this without the rule of the word that gives that discovery The spirituall man as well as all others may not judge his brother nor another mans servant for we must all appear before the Judgement seat of Christ our Lord and Master and all judgement is committed to the Son that men may honour the Son as they honour the Father Joh. 5. as they quote hence they inferre that Christ is the sole judge of error Indeed Christ as he is the Son of man God and Man in one person who hath ascended farre above all heavens sitting at the right hand of God from thence shall he come in the clouds of Heaven with his mighty Angels in flames of fire to render vengeance on the disobedient to the Gospell Because God hath appointed him a day in which he shall judge the World in righteousnesse even by that man whom he hath ordained whereof God hath given assurance to all men in that he hath raised him from the dead Act. 17.31 We believe that Jesus Christ shall come in his day with that very same body that suffered death upon the Crosse and was raised from the dead the third day and he shall judge the whole world of mankind that ever were even all those that are in the Graves shall hear his voice and shall come forth the righteous to the resurrection of everlasting life and the wicked to the resurrection of condemnation Joh. 5.28 29. And let these seduced people take notice of Joh 12.28 29 He that receiveth not my words saith Christ hath one that judgeth him the word that I have spoken the same shall judge him at the last day And this word of Christ they reject from being the rule of faith and obedience but whether they will or no they must stand to the judgement of this word of Christ which he hath spoken at the last day William Dusbury tells us that the mighty day of the Lord is appeared in the North of England and is arising towards the South and shall overspread this Nation and all Nations of the world What
THE Quakers Apostasie FROM The perfect Rule of the Scriptures DISCOVERED In a double Reply to a twofold Answer of theirs in the Vindication of several Queries propounded by the Author WHEREIN Their Deceits Blasphemies and Reproches against Scripture Authority and Ordinances of institute Religious Worship are spoken unto Their main Principles examined and denyed The truth defended and cleared against their Railing Slandering Censorious Pens and Tongues By JOHN TIMSON of Great Bowden in Leicestershire 1 TIM 4.1 2. Now the Spirit speaketh expresly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils speaking lies in hyprocrifie having their consciences seared with an hot iron LONDON Printed by E. C. for Tho. Williams at the Bible in Little Britain and Will Tomson at Harborough in Leicestershire 1656. The Preface to the Reader THE occasion of these few sheets was this The deep sense and apprehension of my spirit towards these seduced people in generall and some of my dear friends in speciall that are drawn aside and entangled in these dark Diabolicall snares hath moved my bowels to pitch upon this as a fit expedient to reduce them from that sad temptation and way of wandering themselves are so insensible of These Queries I first delivered to my friends and I desired that they would get them answered by the ablest they could of that perswasion At last I received an answer from William Duesbury then prisoner at Northampton which Answer was so obscure deceitfull and confused that I was constrained in my Reply to urge him earnestly to Answer directly to the Question with severall Queries to understand his sense which accordingly himself and Thomas Stubs and John Whitehead have answered more directly and subscribed their hands I have in this given you the substance of theirs as faithfully as I was able to understand their sense and have not in the least wittingly mistaken them And however they are apt to accuse me of slandering them in things that are too grosse in plainnesse of words to publish to the world they judging their novices and all others besides themselves uncapable to receive some of their principles as yet and therefore they study how to darken their sense by subtill glozing equivocating expressions and shuffles yet their damnable heresies are apparent to the intelligent and impartiall sober Christian And I shall desire of them to deal no otherwise by me then I have dealt with them what I have charged them withall is upon such rationall grounds that I am sure themselves are convinced in the secrets of their hearts that I lie not and for them to reproach me with that they cannot in conscience with any colour of reason make good will most reflect upon their own heads and be a shame to themselves and cause by saying and unsaying to evade what is justly charged upon them Truth is invincible and ought to be published it seeks no corners nor minds any shiftings but is entire of it self and will stand when all the imaginations and inventions of the dark mind of man shall be scattered and brought to nothing They frequently judge men by the light which gave forth the Scriptures even while they are opposing the Authority of Scriptures as they are the only rule of knowing the true God and Jesus Christ whom he hath sent and how to believe in hun and live in all Christian obedience unto him If they judge of men and error by the same light that gave forth the Scriptures why do they censure me for but pleading the Authority of Scriptures to be a perfect Rule of faith and obedience Is the light of the Spirit of God contrary to the light of his own Inspirations Are the Inspirations of God upon Divine record to be rejected as uselesse and fallible because they crosse the instigiations of ignorant man who is all his life long subject to error Are they so drunk with delusion and impudence that they will rather charge the Scriptures with deceit then question their own deceitfull hearts Can they be more sure that the Instigations in their own hearts are from God rather then the Inspirations of God in the Scriptures We may be sure that the Scriptures are of God and writ for our learning Rom. 1.5 But neither we nor themselves can be sure that their Revelations pretended to are of God and given for our learning comfort and hope unlesse they were confirmed by the same unquestionable Authority that the Scriptures are And for them to plead an infallible rule within and yet to be urging a Rule without from the Scripture is most absurd if the Spirit be the Rule as they affirme why do they not stick to that rule hath the Rule of the Spirit need of the testimony of the letter to prove it by What proof can be given to prove that which is the highest proof and rule it self How many things do they pretend Scripture for while at the same time they will deny and question the most things that the Scriptures plainly teach Let them tell us what they believe and practise from the teaching and obligation of Scriptures if they stand obliged to nothing that the Scriptures teach why do they quote it and speak in the language thereof As if they were for it when they are not which is rank hypocrisie and done of purpose to deceive If they judge themselves obliged to some things which the Scriptures teach because God hath taught them therein why do they not then believe and do all that the Lord teacheth in them upon the same reason and account But if any men in the world are without the true light of God those men are that speak not according to the Law and Divine Testimony of Scriptures Isa 8.20 If any speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them their light is involved in darknesse their wisdome in folly so saith the Prophet Jeremiah chap. 10. Ye have rejected the word of the Lord and what wisdome is there in you Were not this verified upon these men would they boast that they are as perfect as Christ that dyed at Jerusalem and say that he that trusts in Christ that dyed at Jerusalem for salvation shall be deceived and reproach his Institutions and holy Ordinances with the odium of mens Traditions outward observations inconsistent with Gods Kingdome and compare them to NebuchadneZZar's great Idol would they set up a light and power in blind impotent nature corrupted sufficient to lead out of darknesse to eternall life without the use and knowledge of Scriptures would they forme a Christ in their minds that is in all men without person natures offices would they confound God and man into one denying God to be distinct from his Saints would they renounce all their former teachings and practices received from the Lord by the means of his word and ordinances and wholly follow the imaginations of a strong deluded heart c.
gloriously in forms and observations And then speaking to the Anabaptists and Independents he tells them they have set up a finer Image in the Gospell ordinances as you call them pag. 10. Pag. 10. And what other ordinances do these or we set up but what was practised in the Apostolical Churches Thus you may see how this Impostor doth reproach the holy things of God And further in his second page he in the height of his insolent rashnesse and madnesse saith thus The word of the Lord came unto me saying I will gather my people out of all forms and observations and out of all kindreds Tongues and Nations and I will poure out my Spirit upon them And this he writes in a different Character as if it were all scripture By this you may see it proved what I have accused them with in denying the ordinances and administrations of the Gospell Church is true And yet this impudent lyar tells me it is a lying slander They would render me a lyar for telling them the truth but it seems they can rather and with more ease deny the accusation then prove themselves Saints and stand to it thus when they are pincht they will say and unsay or any thing to evade But while you deny the Ordinances before mentioned I say you are none of Gods Saints but are Apostates backsliders that have departed from the living God in transgressing the lawes changed his ordinances and broken the everlasting Covenant Isa 24.5 But I shall come to the next you accuse me of belying you with and that is suspecting you to be under the crime of denying the holy Scriptures to be a perfect rule of faith and life you say ye deny the crime and witnesse them in their place with the Spirit that gave them forth which is a perfect rule of faith and life as Joh. 16.13 Anâ—w You deny the crime but own the thing by asserting the Spirit to be a perfect rule of faith and life for if the Spirit immediately be a perfect rule to us now of faith and life of what use is the Scriptures of I pray you tell Thus you own the charge but deny the crime because you judge it no crime to deny the Scriptures to be a perfect rule of faith and life and hence you insolently inferre that I am judged by the same Spirit which gave forth the Scriptures who would set the Scriptures in the Spirits place by calling them the rule of faith and life Thus all men may run and read that you are so farre from judging it a crime to deny the Scriptures for a perfect rule of knowing God believing in him and living unto him that by the Spirit you act from you judge me for calling them the rule of faith and obedience And yet you witnesse the Scriptures in their place that is you witnesse that there is such writings but not to any such ends and purpose as to be a rule to know God and live unto him as the question intends The Spirit you make the only rule of faith and life Joh. 16.13 Which I answer unto 1. That promise is made directly to the twelve as is evident if you peruse the 13 14 15. chapt where we have the like promise chap. 14.26 The Comforter which is the Holy Ghost shall come and teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance whatsoever I have spoken unto you and accordingly they have declared unto us what they have heard and seen Luk. 7.1 Christ tells them chap. 16.12 13. I have many things to say unto you but ye cannot bear them now howbeit when the Spirit of truth is come he will guide you into all truth c. Hence it 's clear these promises are made in speciall to his Apostles which doth assure us of the infallibility of what they preached and writ the Church being built upon the Prophets and Apostles Jesus Christ the chief corner Stone Eph. 2.20 that hath inspired both to agree in one and the same Doctrine of faith and obedience and he is the same for ever even to the end of the World Now let me ask you are you Apostles have you seen Jesus Christ are you sent for a foundation for the Church to be built upon that go about to overthrow and pluck up the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles recorded in Scriptures Let men and Angels judge 2. If all truth were revealed to the Apostles by the Spirit of truth and the Apostles faithfull in declaring this truth by writing or teaching as cannot be denyed then it will follow that those writings or teachings of the Apostles were the only rule which writings through Gods grace we enjoy and therefore the rule of divine truth It 's true we have need of Gods blessings of Grace to apply the rule to us and our hearts and lives to the rule And so many as walk according to this rule peace be upon them Gal. 6.26 Nay Christ prayed not only for his Apostles but for them also that should believe on him through their word Joh. 17.20 3. We say the holy Scriptures are the inspirations of the Spirit of God in their own sense as expressed and have such sure evidence thereof that without any scruple we so believe the truth and directions discoveries thereof that we are content to stand or fall to their Verdict not caring for mans judging and tell us in what truth of God the Scriptures are imperfect in you proud Worms that so vilifie and diminish from them But they go on and tell me that Abel Enoch and Noah had faith before Scripture was and the holy men of God believed therefore they spake Answ 1. Abel Enoch Noah were not without the word of faith from the Lord the Lord spake to these out of heaven by voyce Heb. 1.1 At sundry times and in â—â—vers manners the Lord hath spoken unto his servants the Prephets But in this last age he hath spoken to us by his Son Theâ—â—fore never look for no other manner of speaking 〈◊〉 what hath been before there was any thing committed 〈◊〉 to writing the Lord did more visibly reveale his will by voice or vision Angels c. but since he hath committed his whole will and mind unto writing by the Prophets and Apostles those former manners are ceased 2. This is our argument because some had faith before Scripture was by an immediate speaking by voyce c. Therefore now although we have the mind of God discovered in the writings of the Prophets and Apostles we must look for the same discoveries still by voyce or vision inspiration as if all that were written by inspiration of God were nothing to us and nothing of force to any but to the present ages they were writ in such madnesse you run into Whereas in your Answere you say That not any doth know the Scriptures by the outward declaration but by the word of faith in the mouth and in the heart which word
of faith we preach Rom. 10. I told you that was a contradiction and a confused senselesse thing which you say stands as a witnesse against me and bid me prove my accusation Answ 1. I queryed you whether any of you did know and believe what is written in the Scriptures without the outward declaration unto which you answere not at all 2. I query what you mean by the word of faith in the mouth and in the heart which the Apostle preached Rom. 10.6 7 8. whether it be the same with the Doctrine of faith declared in the Scriptures writ to the Churches or different from it As I concluded before in my replie so I shall make it good still notwithstanding all that you have writ that the word of faith which the Apostles preached and writ to the severall Churches is the same with that which you call the outward declaration What are the writings of the Prophets and Apostles but the word of faith I told you that this of the Apostle doth allude to that in Deuteronom 30. and there we find the same of the word as it was written in the law as heer of the word of faith preached The Doctrine of faith was so familiarly preached and beat into mens heads hearts and mouthes that ignorance could not excuse any and the Apostle explains what this word of faith is verse 9. thus That if thou shalt confesse with the mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved You may see it's clear enough what the Apostle understands by word in the mouth and in the heart if you be not too perverse and in the 10 verse there is a reason urged to make all your cavils fall For with the heart man believes unto righteousnesse and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation and proves it by the Scripture Whosoever beleeveth on him shall not be ashamed Isa 28.16 What can be concluded hence but what the writings of the Scriptures contain and declare and yet you say not any can know the Scriptures by the outward declaration but by the word of faith which word of faith in your quotation is discovered by the Scriptures what it is so that you say and unsay not by the outward declaration but by it a meer contradiction which you will never free your selves of But why cannot any know Scripture by its own writing Can you know what is contained in the holy Scriptures without the outward declaration if not then you must know it by the outward declaration or not at all How do you know what is in your books but by the outward declaration But instead of answering to clear your selves you are froward and very impertinent and obscure and desperately confused as followeth in their next wherein they should shew us the difference between the declaration of Scripture and the word of faith preached And first they witnesse the Scriptures by the same light and Spirit that gave them forth Rom. 10. and in Christ Jesus the Lord of faith which the Apostles preached and declared of they believe Rom. 10.6 7. as the Apostles did who knew the Letter which kil'd and the word of faith which is quick and powerfull which word say they is God that made all things and the letter testifies of him whose name is called the word of God Revel 19.11 12. Joh. 1.1 Heb. 4.12 And then they say they have come off clear of what I have accused them of in their answer Answ Here is nothing but pride and coniusion in these lines unlesse we can credit every thing they have the boldnesse to say as infallible How are the Scriptures beholding to them for their witnesse who have the same light and Spirit which gave them forth the Lord of Hosts gave them forth all Scripture is given by the inspiration of God 1. Tim. 3. and they have the same light and the same spirit equall with God if one may believe what they say of themselves But what think you are not the Scriptures as inspired and given of God a perfect rule of faith and obedience unlesse you witnesse them to be so and what letter was that which the Apostles knew killed you take it for granted that it is the whole declaration of holy Scriptures but it is because you have no light nor Spirit of God in you The word of faith Rom. 10.6 7. is quick and powerfull c. which word is God that made all things Most senselesse Is the profession of Christ in the mouth and believing in him with the heart God that made all things is every gift and work of God in man God that made all things this is like their other notion Christ lighteth all and therefore that light is Christ as if every work and operation of Christ is Christ just like those that make God to be every thing that from him lives and moves c. So again Christ is the word his name shall be called the word of God and they have Christ the word of God within them and what need of that which is written they have it in the life and fountain and they will come under no other writings nor rule although never so much commanded by God in the expressions of the holy Spirit in the Scriptures Touching Heb. 4.12 in the second verse he shewes us what word he meant where he saith That the Gospel was preached to them as unto us but the word that they heard profited not them because it was not mixed with faith in them that heard it What word was this which was heard but the outward declaration in voice or writing or both And this word is quick and powerfull c. and the savour of life to some and of death to others according to the pleasure of him with whom we have to doe he blessing or blasting his own word and ordinance to the different ends intended by himself and for his glory whether in the diligent use thereof men be saved or in the contempt and neglect of the word men be damned The 2 Cor. 3.6 where it is said the Letter killeth is to be understood of the ministrie of Moses in comparison of the Gospell ministry administred by the Apostles that of Moses not so spirituall glorious effectuall as the new Testament was and yet it had its glory too but no glory in this respect by reason of the glory that excelleth vers 10. The Ceremonials their Gospel were but shadowes of good things to come the substance was Christ who was but darkly seen by the people but the Precepts and Threats of the Law were cleer which brought them under guilt and the remedie obscure and the fruit but little in comparison of the Apostles Ministry c. And hence the letter killed as administred by Moses but grace and truth comes by Jesus Christ It 's true the ministrie of the Apostles without the powerfull operation of the Spirit concurring was not
of Righteousnesse and true godlinesse are inclined in charity to hope well of you that there is some good at the bottome and life at the root that will spring forth again and make you instrumentall by your sad experiences to warn others The Third Question propounded WHether any thing besides the holy Scriptures is constituted of the blessed God to reveal Jesus Christ as Redeemer and Saviour to the Spirits of sinfull miserable lost man to bring up men to happinesse On whether lost man without the knowledge of Christ as the Scriptures reveal him may attain unto salvation yea or no. The Quakers Answer None can come to Christ but whom the Father drawes by his unlimited power nor know the Father but he whom the Son reveals him and he that thinks to attain the way to eternall life by reading the Letter of Scripture and regards not the light which comes from Christ that witnesseth for God in the secret of the heart and Conscience deceivs himself for the mystery of eternall life is sealed up in the sealed Book which none shall know by the outward Testimonie of Scripture but by the Inspiration of the Spirit of Christ who is the way the truth and the life to all that in his light wait his power them to guide in faithfull obedience to the Righteous and perfect Law of God written in the heart for the exercise of the Conscience which keeps them void of offence towards God and men according to Testimonie of Scripture Act. 24.16.23.1 My Reply Their Answer to my third Question falls upon other Questions but gives no direct Answer at all for the question doth not exclude the power and grace of the Father and the Son from mans attaining unto salvation but is of another thing namely whether faln lost man without the knowledge and use of the Scriptures may in an ordinary way know Christ as Mediator and be saved by him or thus whether God hath and doth exercise his power and Spirit in bringing corrupt man to the knowledge of Christ as Redeemer and believe in him to eternall life without the use and knowledge of the Scriptures ordinarily The Question is not of extraordinary cases and of Gods unlimited power who can do more then he hath any where revealed he will doe but it is of his ordinary course and power that is limited by his word of truth to do what he will in order to the blessednesse of those that wait upon him in those wayes and in the use of such means himself hath appointed in his holy word all other stamps and forms pretending to the knowledge of God and religious worshipping of him or of being saved by Christ are but the superstitious births of deluded fancies that tend to the deceiving and ruin of a mans self and others Their Answer to this is but dark and to little purpose only they say That their Answer doth stand as a witnesse against me and declares the way to the Father and the Son according to Scriptures Matth. 11.27 Joh. 6.44 Which they say my dark mind is a stranger unto who am querying of Gods constituting ordinary means of salvation and of his ordinary way of working to reveal Christ as Redeemer which say they are unlearned Questions and to be condemned with the light which reproves the world of sin and leads to the Son who is the Redeemer and way to the Father Joh. 14.6 Which way is but one and condemnation you must own unlesse thou canst shew us a Scripture that speaks of ordinary and extraordinary way of Gods exercising his power and Spirit or of a limited power of God which words proceed from thy dark Imaginations and not grounded upon Scripture are concluded to be the births of the deluded fancie you speak of Answ By all this we may judge the sum of their Answer amounts to this That my Question is unlearned and to be condemned with the light which reproves the world of sin and leads to the Son immediately without the help of those means God hath appointed to that end and therefore as before the Scriptures and Ordinances therein commanded are not of necessity but this pretended light and Spirit and unlimited power of God is to be attended upon only not regarding any ordinary means whatever though such as God himself hath appointed and doth only reveal in his word as if all those ordinary and usuall helps that God himself commands in his word for men to use to come to the knowledge of Christ and how to be saved by him were superfluous or opposite to the knowing of him c. although the Scriptures were written and all Instructions therein contained for our learning that we might have comfort and hope all others that have not the use and benefit of Scriptures have no hope and without God in the world as hath been spoken to already and yet this they say is an unlearned Question but surely they say so because they know not how to give a direct Answer to it in plainnesse but it wil lay them open to the weakest judgements to be against Christ as Redeemer as the Scriptures teach him which few would hearken unto should they speak plainly But let all men judge of what Spirit these men are of that condemns the Questions as propounded by the light which condemns the world of sin But let them first discover what sin is in these Questions before they rashly condemn them Secondly let them tell us what light is that which reproves for sin if not the mind of Christ and the voice of the Spirit revealed in the Scriptures Thirdly let them prove that the light which they condemn the Questions with is the true light of Christ or else who will regard them How dare those proud Worms condemne the things they know not how to answer but by denying the holy Scriptures and what they teach But what light is that that leads to the Son who is the Redeemer while you disown the light of Scriptures to be the Rule to make out this high discovery Did you ever know or hear of any since Scriptures were that have attained to know Christ as Redeemer and to believe in him to salvation that never heard of Christ by Scriptures or Scripture ministry Doth not the Apostle determine absolutely as to this case and question by severall interrogations Rom. 10. How shall they call on him of whom they have not believed and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not so much as heard of and how can they hear without a preacher and how can they preach except they be sent c. And doth he not conclude from these interrogations that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God he urging that necessity of hearing the word of God in order to faith without which it cannot be And therefore it was that he queries the Galatians thus Received ye the Spirit by the Law or by faith preached not by the Law but by
was the true Christ Of a five-fold witnesse and testimony that Christ urged on his own behalf in this chapter this of the testimony of Scripture is one and not the least to prevail upon the credence of that unbeleeving people What they mean by not regarding the light which gave them forth to learn is beyond my understanding to find out What light is that which gave the Scriptures is it not the Spirit of God all Scripture being given by inspiration of God 2 Tim. 3.16 Surely he that regards the Inspirations of God regards the Author of those inspirations for to say a man is obedient to the Scriptures and by search is willing to know Gods will to do it more and yet regards not God that gave it forth is a contradiction in it self but these men assume that in them only is the light which gave the Scripture and hence they judge in that we regard not what they say and write we regard not the light c. and our cleaving to the rule of Scriptures which are the Inspirations of God and not regarding them seems to be the deceit and to wrest the Scriptures to our own destruction as if the Scriptures were writ for mens destruction and deceit and not for their learning comfort and hope but that place in 2 Pet. 3.16 is spoken of unlearned and unstable men that wrest not only some hard places but also the other Scriptures to their own destruction and therefore bids the Church beware lest being drawn away by the error of the wicked they fall from their own stedfastnesse Oh the giddinesse and unstability of these mens Spirits that have runned from Sect to Sect till they have run through all and then think to center in a way of their own choosing in which they do not practise any one duty of religious Worship to God private or publike as the holy Scriptures teach and to make Conscience thereof from Scripture Authority And yet others and not themselves they charge with wresting the Scriptures as in their next clause Such are they that put them in the place of the light and think them the only way and means appointed by God to eternall life Answ You may see who they judge to be most guilty of wresting the Scriptures to their own destruction namely those that think them the only way and means appointed by God both to know and believe in Christ the Redeemer to eternal life and to live unto God according to this Rule this is but the same with their denying the Scriptures to be a perfect Rule of faith and obedience censuring those that make them the Rule of faith and obedience as if by so doing men deceive themselves and wrest the Scriptures to their own destruction Oh profane impiety and sinfull blindnesse themselves are involved in for not receiving the truth in the love of it c. But I see I shall be too large and tire the Reader if I examine all things of theirs which is needlesse because we have the same again and again in other words which is answered already as to the substance of them But they tell me Thou goest on in thy blind zeale seeking to maintain the Scriptures to be the only means to reveal Christ as Redeemer and the only way in which God puts forth his Divine power to give light and life to men To this they Answer But who art thou that wilt limit God to a way and means of manifesting his power and Spirit who hath promised to powre it upon all flesh and that Sons and Daughters shall prophesie and see visions Joel 2.28 And we witnesse his promise fulfilled and fulfilling and know that he will have mercie on whom he will have mercy Answ 1. 'T is true God will have mercy on whom he will but the Question is whether God exercises his saving mercies of the Covenant to any in bringing them to salvation by Christ without the knowledge and use of the Scriptures for how can they believe in him of whom they have not heard and how can they be saved that do not at all believe in Christ as hath been spoke to already Rom. 10. And if our Gospel be hid or withheld it is to them that perish 2. The blessing of the Scriptures given to a people is a peculiar mercy to any people and never was common unto all God hath given his Lawes and Statutes unto Israel as for the heathen they have not known his ways To them was committed the Oracles of God the Covenant and the promises and the service of God and the Adoption c. but all others are without Christ strangers to the Covenant of promise and without hope and God in the world Ephes 2. And whomsoever God shewes mercy unto as to the end to save them he shews mercy unto in giving them the means he saves by and as is the end so is the means appointed by the Lords peculiar mercy restrained to the Christian Churches distinct from all others and to affirme the same is not our limiting of God but it 's the pleasure and wisdome of God to limit his power by the word of his eternall truth and to argue from his unlimited power against his word of truth Covenant and promise is to be wise above what is written if not contrary which trusted unto is high presumption As for that of Joel 2.28 The Apostle witnessed that promise fulfilled when those extraordinary gifts of the Spirit were given to the Apostles Act. 2.16 17. So likewise upon the Gentiles when Peter preached the word unto Cornelius and his friends were the same gifts of the holy Ghost and they spake with Tongues as did the Apostles at the beginning chap. 10.45 46. chap. 11.15 16 17. compared So that it 's clear that of Joel was fulfilled in the Apostles dayes and by them applyed to that very manner of giving forth of the Spirit which not any in our times can witnesse or evince by the same gifts of miracles and Tongues and yet these conceited Quakers witnesse the same promise fulfilling in them still although they have nothing of the same things spoken of Act. 2.4.16 When they have the gift of Tongues working miracles we shall more easily incline to believe they are endowed with immediate Revelations themselves so much boast of If they have not the gift of Tongues and of miracles the Apostles and some others had which accompanyed the gift of Revelations what reason have we to believe them in what they pretend while they are utterly destitute of the other I do not go about to limit Gods power but that in his wisdome and good pleasure he may give the same gifts again to men but yet I am not bound to believe God hath and doth give the same gifts to these men that so boast they being not approved of God in having gifts of Tongues and miracles as they had that applyed that of the Prophet Joel to themselves I grant that all necessary gifts
of the Spirit unto salvation may have some footing from that promise and so to the Gentiles But this reacheth not the thing in hand and is no more proper to them than to the weakest Christian that is renewed by the Spirit of Grace In the most proper sense that promise was fulfilled as Peter witnesseth Act. 2.16 above 1600. years ago but these say they witnesse it fulfilling now but they want not for boldnesse to say any thing they have a mind unto Next they bid me shew that Scripture that speaks of a written word or that calls it the savour of life quick and powerfull or that attributes any such things unto it as thou saist but if you cannot stop thy mouth Answ Most absurd is their first What is the Scriptures but words from the Lord committed unto writing and every sentence of Scripture is a written word What is Scripture but the writings of the prophets and Apostles and what did they write but words and what were those words but the Inspirations of God all Scriptures are given by Inspiration of God as hath been quoted again and again And what will they make of that promise themselves quote Joel 2. is not that a written word and all their other quotations The Apostles were the savour of death to some 2 Cor. and life to others 2 Cor. 2.16 But how was this but as they were Ministers of the Word for they were not as many which corrupt the word c. and the word is quick and powerfull Heb. 4.12 It 's called the immortall seed the power of God to salvation Rom. 1.16 David tells us Thy word hath quickned me and was light to his feet the rejoycing of his heart his heritage for ever and giveth light and understanding to the simple Psal 119.130 He witnesseth that Gods word is pure therefore he loved it ver 140. It is endlesse to recount the Epithites and honour and glorious esteeme the servants of God have alwayes had of the word as it is written and they that despise this word shall be destroyed Prov. 13.13 And let these wormes that are all along diminishing and detracting from the power and majesty of the Scriptures beware lest being given over to despise the word they be polluted in their own gifts and follow the imaginations of their own deluded hearts to their utter ruine if God by his grace prevent it not Whereas in their first Answer to the Question in hand they talk of yeelding faithfull obedience to the righteous and perfect Law of God in the heart in my reply I told them that they build all upon the light within and the Law of God writ in the heart and the Inspirations of Christ and so make the holy Scriptures superfluous and of no use whereas the writing of Gods Law in the heart is a blessing of the Covenant promised to the use of those wayes and means God hath given to the Church in order to that end his word and ordinances the Instrumentall cause of this blessing of grace to whom he will the writing of his Law in the heart being but the same with a new heart regenerate and quickned by a Divine power of speciall grace which softens the hard uncircumcised heart of man and makes it pliable to receive the Words impression as standing willing and ready to believe and do what Jesus Christ in the Rule of his word would have him to do being made willing in the day of his power upon the heart to yeeld faithfull obedience to all the Lawes and Ordinances of Christ revealed in his holy word And to jumble things together as they by making the light and Inspirations of Christ and Law in the heart all one are most confused notions of things that differ as much as the efficient and the effect the giver and the gift the will of God in commanding and the blessing of God overruling the subject to a willing obedience but let them tell us where the Scriptures speak of a righteous perfect Law of God in the heart either in all men or in some and who they are that have such a Law written within which of the Prophets or Apostles gives the discovery of a perfect Law in the heart unto which all our obedience is to terminate as the only Rule if they cannot produce Scripture Authority for it let them confesse it a Law of their own fancie as to the end they intend it for But they say in their last Answer to this in hand Vpon the Prophets and Apostles we build and Christ Jesus who hath enlightned every one that comes into the world is the chief corner stone though he be set at nought by thee and the builders who would set the Scriptures in his place making them the enlightener and calls his light but an effect of them which light was before Scripture was and will lead them that walk in it out of darknesse to the knowledge of God and eternall life Joh. 8.12 But this light is not received into the mind and head from the Scripture neither can it be blotted out as thou hast said but it comes from Christ who is the glory of his people Israel and the light of the Gentiles such as thou call'st pagans who shall be excused when thou and all that oppose the light of Christ shall be condemned though you can talk of Christ as Bedeemer and Mediator of his Spirit and regenerating Grace all which you are strangers to c. Answ Let the indifferent Reader judge how true it is that they build upon the Prophets and Apostles while they have and are denying the holy Scriptures to be a perfect Rule of faith and obedience and affirme that the light of Christ is not received by the Scriptures and yet they say upon the Prophets and Apostles they build and is not the writings of the Prophets and Apostles that Scripture that they exclude from receiving the light of Christ in their minds and heads What Prophets and Apostles is the Church built upon if not upon those that have declared the mind of God and Jesus Christ in the holy Scriptures And shall any think that the Scriptures oppose the light of Christ because they are written to make the clear discovery of Christ as Redeemer and without which not any can know him to any such end But it 's charged upon me to be a fault in making the Scripture an enlightener and calls Christs light but an effect of them Answer whether I used those terms I am not sure this I said and cleared my self in that the Scriptures simply considered of themselves did not enlighten nor convert as an efficient cause thereof but were appointed and designed of God to be the only Instrument and Vessel of his Spirit to conveigh the knowledge of Christ as Redeemer to lost man and without them Christ is not known at all to any saving ends or to this purpose I spake I have proved that the Word doth give light to
Lawes of God are nigh unto God and great above all other Nations by way of priviledge And to what end were the Lawes of God given unto them and us but that we should know them and do them for our good chap. 10.12 13. See chap. 11.18 19. The use of the outward is a means of the inward where God gives the blessing And for those that have not the benefit of the outward writings of the Prophets and Apostles or have them and yet regard them not as it is written is too palpable a sign that they are strangers from the Law of God in the heart as it is a blessing of the new Covenant We know the written Law was given to the people by the hands of a Mediator and not against the promise but subservient to the receiving of the benefits and blessings thereof And therefore let them shew us what other Covenant that is to which pertains the perfect Law in the heart distinct from the outward writing and how the outward declaration is under one Covenant and the Lawes of God in the heart under another they being both the same as is confessed but whether they understand all the same in the heart as is in force in the holy Scriptures I suspect for they wave the answer of that whereas the whole of what the Scripture plainly teacheth is in the hearts of the Lords people to believe love and do with an equall respect as the Scripture is plain in By evangelicall discoveries they carp at and judge as unlearned and to be condemned which I do much admire knowing that themselves are no strangers to the phrase and sense nor unacquainted with those Scriptures that give such discoveries of the person natures offices of a redeeming Christ that never any have attained unto and discovered either by word or writing which never had nor heard of the help of the Gospel as contained in the Scriptures And for them to condemne me for putting the Question unlesse I can prove by Scripture those things of Christ argues their denyall of them which to do seems to me no lesse then to deny the true Christ anointed of God and fitted to performe the work of mans redemption in his own body once offered by the eternall Spirit that he might bring sinners to God Had he not a body given him which was sacrificed unto death was buryed rose again and ascended into Heaven as Scriptures witnesse And was he not a person Pilate's wife acknowledged him a just person Matth. 27.24 And Paul forgave in the person of Christ 2 Cor. 2.10 and to his humane nature is united his Divine which the Saints are said to partake of in its speciall and peculiar workings upon their hearts the word made flesh in that he took not the nature of Angels but the seed of Abraham born of a Virgin c. truely God and truely man in one person and his offices of Prophet Priest and King as evident according to Scripture that not any but Infidels and malicious Apostates will deny But I hasten And I doubt not but that all that have the Law writ in their hearts by vertue of the new Covenant shall be saved that being the same with a new heart regenerate and quickned by the grace of God and not any other although they have the use of Scriptures much lesse those that are denyed the ordinary use and benefit thereof as they reveal Christ the Redeemer to the world without knowing and believing in shall perish But Christians I pray you mark what a Christ these men fancy to themselves as Redeemer that have condemned me with the light that gave forth the Scripture for querying whether the light that is in all in the world gives the discovery of the person natures and offices of Christ unlesse the Scriptures doe prove them why do not they know that the Scriptures do give this Gospell discovery if they will own it as I am sure they cannot be ignorant of it Why do they put me to the proof condemning the Query as unlearned because I ask whether those that have not the use of Scripture have a sufficient Gospel light to give this discovery If they deny it as I believe they do then judge what a Christ they frame in their imaginations that is without person natures and offices whether he be that very same Christ that was equal with God and took upon him the forme of a Servant made in the likenesse of men and being found in the fashion as a man he humbled himself and became obedient unto death even the death of the Crosse Phil. 2.7 8. That suffered in the flesh the just for the unjust to bring us unto God 1 Pet. 3.18 I tell you did not these deceivers fear the Authority of man that hath put forth an Act against Blasphemy more then the Authority of God in Scriptures they would speak out in plain terms and deny the person natures and offices of Christ and so deny Christ himself who is not at all a Mediator and Redeemer on the behalf of lost man but by his person natures and offices c. And therefore it is wel that fear of man will stop the mouth of blasphemy But mark they cannot condemn the Question as unlearned by the Authority and light of Scripture which are undoubtedly the Inspirations of God but their insolence carries them higher then the light of Scripture Inspirations namely to a light in themselves by which they condemn the mysteries of Christ in the work of Redemption which the Scriptures so plainly teach But what light is this that condems the query They answer the light that gave forth the Scriptures Reply God is light and the Scriptures are the Inspirations of God doth it follow that the light in man is that God that gave the Scriptures when can you prove that the light in man gave forth the Scriptures if you cannot prove it by what Authority do you assert it The Fourth Question propounded WHether that light of Conscience which is more or lesse in all since the fall be the Remainder or Reliques left in man of the first Adam in reference to the Covenant of works or whether common to all from the Redemption of the second Adam as flowing from the Covenant of Grace or how else I desire your clear Answer The Quakers Answer Man in his fallen estate hath not any light remains in him to guide him to do any thing pleasing to God as he stands in the state of corrupt nature for all his righteousnesse is as filthy rags The light that convinceth men of the evill of their hearts and discovers the filthinesse of their own Righteousnesse is the light that comes from Christ the true light that lighteneth every one that cometh into the world Joh. 1.9 And this light is not common to men by nature it is the great gift of God his grace that hath appeared unto all men c. Tit. 2.11 My Reply The Answer to my