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A19658	A deliberat answere made to a rash offer, which a popish Antichristian catholique, made to a learned protestant (as he saieth) and caused to be publyshed in printe: Anno. Do[mini] 1575 Wherein the Protestant hath plainly [and] substantially prooued, that the papists that doo nowe call themselues Catholiques are in deed antichristian schismatiks; and that the religious protestants, are in deed the right Catholiques: VVriten by Robert Crowley: in the yeere, 1587.	Crowley, Robert, 1518?-1588.	1588 (1588)	STC 6084; ESTC S110998	131,595	191

it for a good order because we doo knowe that it is derogatorie to the glorie of Christ The first part of your penaunce whych you call contrition or inward sorrow of hart wee doo like well of for as the Prophet Dauid saith Psalme 51. Psal 51 An humble and broken hart O God thou wilte not despise Yea hee sayth that a troubled spirit is a sacrifice to God The second parte of your penaunce is confession That part wee doo lyke of also but not in such order as it is vsed amongest you That is that the penitent person shall make rehearsall of all hys sinnes in the hearing of a Préest that knoweth not whether he speake truely or not As S. Austin hath written in his tenth booke of confessions Augusti Conf. li. 10 Capi 3. and in the thirde Chapter thereof What haue I to do with men sayth S. Austine that they should here my confessions c. We doo exhorte all men to confesse all theyr sinnes to God against whome they are committed and in whose power onelie it is to forgiue them If our sinnes be secret so that none but God onely dooth knowe them then doo we thinke it good to followe the counsell of Sirach Eccles 19 chap 19 declare not thy sinnes neyther to fréende nor to foe c. But if we haue sinned one of vs against an other then we thinke it méete to followe the councell of S. Iames in his Epistle chap 5. Iacob 5 Confesse your sinnes one to an other c. But if the horrour of our sinnes be so great that we can not by anie of these meanes be assured of forgiuenes of them then wée doo resorte not to an ignoraunt Préest but to such a one as we are assured can or at the least way we are perswaded that he can assure vs by the scriptures that repenting our sins vnfaynedly and purposing to turne away from them from thence foreward continually the merciful God our father dooth so pardon and forgiue them that hee will neuer laye them to our charge any more But the third part of your penaunce which you call satisfaction wee doo vtterly detest and abhorre For that wee doo knowe by the scriptures that onely Christ is able to make satisfaction to God for sinne Because no creature could bee worthy or méete to make satisfaction to God for sinne therfore God the creator of creatures would in the second person in Trinity become man that in mans nature he might dye and be made a sacrifice for the sinnes of the world yea that he might make him selfe a sacrifice and by that one sacrifice take away the sinnes of the world If you lust to sée what Scriptures wee haue for proofe of this that I haue here written looke the 53 of Esaies prophecies and the 63 Ephe 53. 63 Math. 1. Iohn 1 1. Timot. 1. Heb. 9.10 Chapter of the same prophecies The first chapter of Saint Mathewes Gospell the first of S. Iohns Gospell the first of S. Paules first Epistle to Timoth. The ninth and the tenth Chapters of the Epistle to the Hebrewes As touching satisfactions therefore to be made to God we renounce and forsake all and all manner of satisfactions that haue béene or shal be deuised by men and we cleaue vnto that onelie that Christ Iesus hath made once for all by that one and euerlasting sacrifice that he hath made of hym selfe once for all But when we sin one of vs against an other as too too often wée doo or when we sinne against the whole congregation of Christians as wee doo to often in déede then wee thinke our selues bound not onely to confesse our faultes one to an other or to the whole congregation that is offended by vs but also to satisfie by all meanes possible those priuate persons also the congregation of Christ by making such satisfaction as by any meanes we may be able to make And herein we follow the counsell or rather the commandement of our sauiour Christ Math. 5. Math 5. Agrée with thine aduersary quickly whilse thou art in the way with him least thine aduersary bring thée to the iudge the iudge deliuer thée to the officer and then thou be cast into prison I tel thée thou shalt not bée deliuered out thence till thou shalt haue paied the vttermost farthing The way wherin we must agrée with our aduersarie is this life the end wherof is most vncertaine wherfore a spéedy agréement is needful Our aduersarie is that partie that hath cause to charge vs with misdemeanour towards him The iudge is God himselfe who being iust must néedes condemne vs to perpetuall prison in hell because we haue not in the way of this life agréed with our aduersarie And from thence we can neuer be deliuered because we can not there make any satisfaction to our aduersarie The Popes pardons his Masses Trentalles Obbets Anniuersaries Chauntries and the rest of Satisfactory deuises can help vs nothing at all in this case God graunt his grace to vs and to all men that professing the religion of Christ we may as it is séemely for Christians be careful to doo as Christ hath taught and agrée with our aduersarie quickly whiles we are with him in the way of this lyfe and so escape that terrible iudgement that otherwise the righteous iudge must néedes pronounce and put in execution Matrimonie we honour not as a Sacrament but as an holy ordinaunce of God instituted by God himselfe in Paradise and in the time of mans innocencie and with Saint Paule Ephe 5. Ephe 5. we holde that in it is represented vnto vs that misticall vnion that is betwixt Christ and his Church And wée doo maruaile much that the Popes Catholiques can holde this for a sacrament and yet deny the vse of it to such amongst them as they doo account to be most holy W● doo knowe Hebr 13. and confesse with S. Paule that Mariage is honourable amongst all men and that the bedde of the maried persons is vndefiled Yea we knowe that no estate or calling amongst men can be so holy that mariage may bee thought to bée profane a thing for that estate or calling Wée knowe also that the holines of it is such that the holines of the most holy amongst men can adde nothing to the holines thereof nor yet the vnholines of the most vnholy take any thing from the holines thereof The most honourable amongst men doo not when they enter into that honourable estate make it more honourable neyther doo the most base and vyle in degrée amongest men when they enter into it make it more base and vile by that vilenes or basenes that is in them We doo not therfore denie the vse of it to any man But we doo wishe that all men that doo finde in themselues occasion to vse it would duly consider wherefore it was ordayned and would vse it for the procreation of children to be brought vp in the

canonicall mo bookes then these In the olde testament saith hée the fiue bookes of Moses that is Genesis Exodus Leuiticus Numbers Deuteronomium After these Iesus Naue of the Iudges togither with Ruth After these foure bookes of the raignes of kings which the Hebrews doo account but two Paralipomenon which is called the booke of dayes and two of Esdras which they doo receaue each by it selfe and the booke of Hester And of the Prophets Esaie Ieremie Ezechiell Daniell bisides these one booke of the xii Prophets Iob also and the Psalmes of Dauid are each of them one booke Salomon also hath giuen vnto the churches thrée bookes the Prouerbs Ecclesiastes and Cantica canticorum In these bookes haue the fathers shut vp the number of the bookes of the old testamēt And of the New testament there are foure Gospelles of Mathew Marke Luke and Iohn The Acts of the Apostles which Luke dooth describe Fouretéene Epistles of Paule the Apostle of Peter the Apostle two of Iames the brother of the Lord an Apostle one Epistle of Iudas one of Iohn thrée and the Apocalyps of Iohn These bée the volumes which the fathers haue shut vp within the canon whereof the father would that the assertions of our faith should consist Notwithstanding it is néedefull to bée knowne that there be other bookes also which are not canonicall but our auncestors haue called them Ecclesiastical That is to say wisdome which is said to bée Salomons And another Wisdome which is said to bée of the sonne of Sirach which is by the Latinists named by the same generall name Ecclesiasticus By which name not the author of the booke but the qualitie of the scripture is named And of the same Order is the booke of Tobias Iudith and the bookes of Machabies Thus far Ruffinus in his creede or confession of beliefe set foorth by saint Hierome And not many liues after this hée writeth thus These volumes haue the fathers deliuered vnto vs which as I haue said it hath séemed to mée méete to note out for the instruction of such as doo take vpon them the first rudimēts of the church of faith that they may know out of what fountaines the cups of the woord of God must bée drawne Now M. Offerer I pray you confer these words of Ruffinus with that decrée that was made by your fathers of the Tridentine councel in their 4. Session wherein they allow for canonicall all those bookes that haue bin are cōtained in that booke which is cōmonly called the Bible With them the bookes of Tobias Hester Iudith Wisdome Ecclesiasticus the two bookes of the Machabies are of as great authoritie as the rest and they doo denounce accursed all such as doo not or shall not receiue for canonicall all those books and euery part of them making no diffrence betwixt these and the other which Ruffinus hath said the fathers haue deliuered vnto vs as fountaines out of which the cups of the word of God must be drawn Let your fathers therfore denounce accursed this Ruffinus and those fathers that he speaketh of for they be of one minde with vs. Let them accursse S. Hierome that hath set foorth this Créede of Ruffinus as a sound confession of the Christian faith Let them excōmunicate S. Gregorie Grego Morali in 29. lib. Cap. 19. Hiero. in praefacio prou that in the 19. of his morall exposition of the 29. Chapter of Iob dooth confesse that the first booke of the Machabies is not canonicall Yea let them accursse S. Hierome as black as a pot for that in his preface to the prouerbes of Salomon he saith thus The church dooth read the bookes of Iudith Tobie the Machabies for th'edification of the people but not to confirme the authority of the doctrines of the Church This Hierome such other were the fathers the Ruffinus saith haue deliuered to vs the other bookes of the Bible not these to bee fountaines for vs to draw the cups of Gods word out of them And with these would wée rather bée accursed then blessed with your popish Catholique fathers in your Tridentine counsell You frame an argument after this maner If the Catholique church had the true spirite of God in discerning iudging the true scriptures of God from the rest not scriptures why should not we belieue the same Catholike church gouerned led by the same spirit in giuing the true sence meaning vnderstanding of the scriptures To this I answere That the romish Catholique church which now is hath continued for the space almost of a thousand yéeres is not neither hath bin led by the true spirit of God either in discerning or iudging the true scriptures of God from the rest c. Nor yet in giuing the true sence c but it hath bin and is still led by the spirite of Antichrist And that neuer more apparantly then at the Tridentyne counsell as by the canons of the same counsell dooth most manifestly appéere to as many as with indifferent iudgement can and will reade them Thus haue I shewed you sufficient reasons whereby you might bée mooued to yeelde and ioyne with vs in religion and no longer to depend vpon the iudgement of that Antichristian church which you call Catholique for that you may sée if you bee not altogither blinded that it is not the true spirite of God that hath and dooth leade your Catholique church but in déede the false spirite of Antichrist The fourth Offer Offerer Fourth Let the Protestants make sufficient proofe by auncient writers of the Ecclesiastiall histories what church it is that al these fifteene hundreth yeeres past hath continued through out firme and stedfast while all other conuenticles and cōgregations as well of Arians as of the Nestorian Maniches Nouatians Vigilians Iouinians and the rest of Heretikes of all sortes haue decayed bin conuinced and ouerthrowne and that by any other Church then by the common knowne Catholique church of Christ and I shall then yeelde and recant and not before Crowley It is very true that the knowne Catholike church hath bin and still is as for these fiftéene hundreth yéeres last past it hath bin the meane that God hath vsed in the conuinsing ouerthrowing of Arians Nestorians and the rest of the Heretikes that you speake of It is most true also that the same Catholike church hath all this time continued firme and stedfast but how can you prooue that your popish Catholike church is that knowne Catholike church of Christ that you speake of Héerein lieth the difficulty It is not enough for you to say that your romish church is the Catholike church but you must prooue it Your antiquity your vniuersality your vnity with your continuall succession of Bishops will not serue your turne Your antiquity is not so auncient as ours by 4600. yéeres almost For ours began in Adam hath continued euer since yours began to florish in the daies of Phocas the

that hee will neuer remember them anie more 1 Iohn 2 and that therefore there is no more sacrifice for sin And in the second chapter of S. Iohns first Epistle wee are assured that Christ Iesus the righteous is the propitiation for our sinnes Your opinion therefore concerning a Sacrifice propitiatorie to bée offered in your Masse is blasphemous and dooth derogate from the glorie of Christ who is our onely mediator whose mediation is sufficient and néedeth no helpe of your massing Préesthoode Your penaunce also is in some part blasphemous as in that you teache your ghostly children to satisfie to God for theyr sinnes by suche workes as you enioyne them to doo And the fruites thereof which you call worthy as fasting watchinge praying and all straightnes of lyfe are supersticious and Hipocriticall and therefore we speake against them Your vowes your inuocation of Saints and your prayers for the soules departed are superfluous and in your meaning superstitious in very déed very wicked blasphemous For what néede hath a Christian to adde any vowe to that which is made in baptisme sith no man can truely say that eyther he hath or could performe that vow so but that God might iustly charge him with the lacke of performaunce thereof That vowe is to forsake the deuill and all his works and pompes the vanities of the wicked world and all the sinfull lustes of the fleshe To beléeue all the articles of the Christian fayth and to kéepe all the commaundementes of God all the dayes of our lyfe If this vowe bee so straight that not one amongst thousandes can bée sound that dooth not fayle in performing of it then is it more then superfluous to adde any other which may séeme to bée more straight and hard to be performed then this is or séeme to bée Your praying vnto Saintes also is superfluous For God himselfe that is all sufficient and able to doo for vs all that we doo or can desire yea and much more then wee can deuise to craue of him hath commaunded vs to call vpon hym yea and he hath promised to heare vs and to giue vs cause to glorifie him for our deliueraunce In the 50. Psal Psalme 50. the prophet Dauid saith thus in the person of God himself Jnuoca me in die tribulationis eruā te honorificabis me Call vpon me in the day of thy trouble I wil deliuer thée thou shalt honor me And in the Psalm 81 Open thy mouth wide Psal 81 145. and I wil fil it And in the Psa 145. The Lord is hard at hand with euery one that calleth vpon him which eueryone the calleth vpō him faithfully Esay the Prophet cha 63. Esay 63 Made his praier vnto God not to Abrahā not to Isacke not to Iacob The apostle Paule bowed his knées that is to say hee prayed to the father of our Lord Iesus Christ that is the diuine maiestie not to the Saintes or holy Angels Ephe 3. Ephes 3 Our Sauiour Christ teaching his schollers how they should pray sayth thus When thou wilt pray enter into thy chamber and when thou hast shut thy doore pray vnto thy father in secrete and thy father which séeth in secret shall giue vnto thée And againe he sayth On this wise therefore shall you pray Our father which art in heauen c. Math 6. Math 6. By these places of Scripture and many other we are encouraged to make our prayers vnto God and to be assured that he dooth heare vs and that he will graunt our peticions For hée is both able and ready to helpe vs as a most mighty and mercifull father It is therefore a thing altogeather vayne and superfluous and vnnecessarie to make any prayers to any other In lyke manner it is a thing altogeather vnnecessary to make prayers for the soules departed For if they be departed in the Lord they be happie and blessed as wee are certified by that voyce which came from Heauen Apo 14. Apoc ●● And on the contrary if they departed not in the Lord then are they most vnhappie and cursed so that thereis no saluation for them Nothing that we can doo can profit them So that in the one case they doo not stand in néede of our prayers and in the other our prayers can doo them no good Your prayer therefore for the dead is altogether superfluous and vnnecessary Your opinion in this poynt is grounded vpon no Canonicall Scripture but vpon an imagination that you haue conceiued concerning the meaning of Iudas Machabaeus 2. Mach 12 2 Mach 12. Of what authoritie the booke is may appeare in that which Saint Hierome hath written in hys preface vpon the bookes of Salmon Hierom praef in pruden Salomon Thus hath Saint Hierome written there Sicut ergo Iudith Tobiae Machabeorum libros legit quidem Ecclesia sed eos inter canonicas scriptura non recipit sic haec duo volumina c. In English thus Euen as the Church dooth in déede reade the bookes of Iudeth and Tobias and of the Machabies but doth not receiue them amongst the cannocall Scriptures euen so she may reade these two bookes meaning the Booke of wisedome and Ecclesiasticus to the edifying of the people but not for the confirming of Ecclesiasticall doctrine By this it appeareth that the foundation of your imagination is verie weake and not sufficient to beare that waightie buildinge that you doo lay vpon it Which is as weighty as an article of our fayth The authoritie of that booke may bée séene also euen in the last lines of the booke wherein the authour dooth shewe himselfe to stand in doubt whether he had doon so well as he wished to doo and in case he had not he craueth pardon at the handes of his readers And he vseth a similitude to mooue his readers to pardon him Which is not found in any of the writers of the Canonicall Sriptures And in the latter part of the 14. Chapter of that second booke of the Machabies 2 Macha 14 theris great commendation giuen to one Razias for that he dyd murder himselfe whych can not make for the credite of the author of the booke neither of the matter contained in the booke But let the booke bée of as great authority as this Offerer wold with it to be what hath Iudas Machabaeus doone that may mooue vs to thinke that he had any such meaning as this Offerer and his fellowes doo imagine the he had The Historian sayth that af●er the Armie of Gorgias was by the mightie power of God put to flight Iudas hauing gathered his armie togeather came to the Cittie Odolla And when the seauenth day was come and they were purified 2 Mach Chap 12. according to the custome they did in the same place spende the time of the Saboth And the next day following Iudas came with his company to take vp the deade bodies of them that were slaine and