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A43272 The lambs innocency defended, against lyes and slanders In answer to a second reply of a priest, who is called a minister at Lazonby in Cumberland called Simon Atkinson, who hath shewed his wolfish nature against those people called Quakers; ranking them up with the papists; falsly accusing them of those things which they utterly detest; but his weapons is turned against himselfe by one of the campe of the God of Israel, whose eye is opened in measure, ... working in the shadow of reformation translated into a fairer forme springing from the old corrupt root; and to see the bickerings of the night-armie running on heaps now in the dawning of the day; and the uncircumcised in Heart and Ears in flying from the light, and repoose of the same: and from the alarum of the spirits trumpet which is founded vvithin, for the cutting downe of the man of sin, and for the quenching of his motions. Written in defence of the truth as it is in Jesus, by a foole to the wisdom of this world, who, according to measure, hath tasted and obtained of the wisdome Helling, Joseph. 1658 (1658) Wing H1382; ESTC R216631 44,515 52

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we are in good report and bad so far be it from us to be lifted up upon any oceasion And as for the shape of thy Answers in them thy wisedome is seen and I appeale to the Reader whether there be any truer thing to be quaried after then the Kingdome of God and the righteousnesse of it and whether S. A. be not in felse-exaltation who saith his answers hath more truth then I quarie after for the Kingdome of God and his righteousnesse doe I quaerie after And now to come to the Answer of my Quaeties the first Word of my first quaerie being transcribed where or what Quae. 1. Where or what is the Kingdome and where is it to be found and what is the Righteousnesse of it Pr. Ans Where it is there is it to be found This answer is just as wise as thy question But secondly it is not amongst you though it is in and amongst the Saints I woane the Kingdome of grace for that ye are fallow from common grace and from the means of spirituall grace from Christ the King and from the standing Lawes of his Kingdoms so that truely you have need to inquire more seriously after is then you doe for you are far from it and quite out of the way to it A. Here thou are found a vain jangler mocking simplicity with thy fallen wisedom saying the Kingdom of God is nothing though in and amongst the Saints as though the Kingdom of God were in none but the Saints Reader mark Christ saith to the Scribes and Pharisees that the Kingdom of God was in them although they were opposers of him Luke 17.21 But S. A. s●ilf it is not amongst us viz. the Kingdom of grace contrary to Tit. 2.11 Iohn 1.9.10 which grace and light hath enlightened and appeared unto all men and it is both spirituall and common unto all in its appearance Tit 2.11 or else the world should be excusabl but the light shining and the grace appearing there is therefore now no cloake for sin But that we are fallen from this grace is false or from the means or from Christ or from his standing Law for this grace we own to be our Teacher as the Apostle did Tit. 2.12 and not a hireling Priest whose own the sheep are not and the means we own viz. the gist of God Christ the light who is given unto the Gentiles as well as unto the Jews Isay 49.6 and his Law we own according to the Prophets and Apostles testimony Ier. 31.33 Heb. 8.10 and these things we own and heare testimony of to be within us so that we need not goe forth as saith Christ and his Apostles Mat. 24.26.1 Iohn 2.27 whose command we have learned by his grace to be obedient unto and he viz. Christ Iesus is our way to the Kingdom who saith learne of me and got not forth he doth not say learn of Hirelings that makes bargales with their Parishioners for so much a yeare but he saith learne of me and he is our High-Priest whose lips preserve our Knowledge So I charge thee 8. A. to be a false-accuser and a lyar in this thy Answer to the first part of my qu●rie Pr. To the other part of thy quarie viz. What is the righteousnes of it I answer Not our own righteousnes which is imperfect Isa 64.6 but the righteousnes of Christ by faith imputed c. Phil. 3.9 this is the onely perfect righteousnesse in it selfe though the righteousnessse of Saints is also perfect in him but not meritorious his is the righteousnesse of God which is revealed from Faith to c. Rom. 1.17 the everlasting righteousnesse c. which first the Jews Secondly the Papists And thirdly the Quakers being ignorant of and all going about to establish their owne righteousnesse have not submitted to Rom. 10.3 9.10 c. Ans That it s not our righteousnesse it s granted neverthelesse we must not cease to worke out our salvation seeing that man is justified by workes and not by Faith onely Iames 2.24 Secondly That it is the righteousnesse of Christ by Faith and that that righteousnesse is perfect in him and in the saints and that not meritorious as of themselves but by the righteousnesse of God which is revealed according to Rom. 1.17 is granted But lyart and false accusers is out of this righteousnesse albeit they may say as the Scripture saith as thou S. A. hath done who saith that the Quakers is agnorant of Gods righteousnesse and goes about to establish their own righteousnesse Here I charge thee again to be a lyar for Gods righteousnesse which it the righteousnesse of Faith we own which righteousnesse speaketh on this wise c. as in Rom. 10.6 but what saith it the Word is nigh thee in thy month and in thy heart Rom. 10.8 this is the Word of Faith and the righteousnes which is of Faith which we beleeve and Preach and if we or any other Preach another Gospel then the power of God Rom. 1.16 or another power than Christ the Power and Wisedome of God 1 Cor. 1.24 or any other righteousnesse then that which is of Faith which saith The Word is nigh thee even in thy mouth and in thy heart I say let him be accursed so man be ashamed for thou art found one of them that saith The Scriptures is the Word of God and so hath not submitted unto the righteousnesse of God which saith The Word is nigh in the mouth and heart as before so in the gall of bitternesse thou art sound soming out thy own shame 2. Querie What it is that giveth the Knowledge of God and how Priests Ans God himselfe onely giveth the Knowledge of himselfe Iam. 1.5.17 Ier. 24.7 I will give them an heart to know me that I am the Lord. Ans That God onely gives the Knowledge of himselfe is granted and seeing that God gives man an heart to know him and is the onely giver of Knowledge Why then dost thou judge us because we doe not own your help counsell and Instruction here thou art manifest for God having given us hearts to beleeve and know him by his light which shineth in us as in them 2 Cor. 4.6 I say this light or grace which is one is sufficient for us as it was for them 2 Cor. 12.9 so him we own and witnesse to be the onely giver of Knowledge without the help of all the Learned Rabbies in the World who is of it Pr. Now he gives it I answer He gives it effectually onely by his Spirit but instrumentally by his Word Preached ordinarily he gives also some kind of Knowledge of himselfe by his Works both of Creation and Providence when he exercises the minds of men to consider them this answer is a truth though I know it wil not satisfie thy foolish fancy Ans That God gives the Knowledge of himselfe onely and effectually by himselfe who is a spirit is granted therefore to God who is a spirit and who is
light who gives the Knowledge of himselfe by his light 2 Cor. 4.6 to him we commit and submit our selves to be taught And seeing God is the onely giver of Knowledge effectually Reader mark then that I say which is the onely giver is the ground cause and effect spiritually and instrumentally as in Phil. 2.13 And whereas thou saith He gives some kind of Knowledge of himselfe as before I say He is the onely effectuall giver of all Divine Knowledge drawing us unto his Son Iohn 6.44 in whom our Eye being placed we come to see and to understand by his Knowledge the Works of Creation and Providence And although thou say thy answers will not sat is f●● my foolish faney As for thy reproachfull termes of untruths I little matter but know though I am satisfied with that which giveth satisfaction and with so much of thine answers as is truth though but in words gathered by thy comprehension in litterall experience for true experience is far from a lyar but God gives the Knowledge of himselfe by his light 2 Cor. 4.6 and this thou art ignorant of who kicks against the prieks of Conscienes which tells thee thou should not lye nor falsly accuse nor Preach for Hire nor be called of men Master nor strive to keep people alwayes learning and still unperfect still in the bondage of corruption they could but be so if they never heard thee take notice of that But furthermore God is both the effectuall and instrumentall giver effectually according to thy own confession I say instrumentally by the Word 1 Iohn 1.14 who was quickned in the spirit by which he also went and Preached unto the spirits in Prison 1 Peter 3.19 so the Word is our Preacher which the righteousnesse of Faith speaks of Rom. 9.6.7.8 by whose light we see your cunning craft and the bottome of you all 2. Quaerie Whether you will own the Scriptures to be your rule and your loves and practises judged by the Apostles lives and practises yea or nay Pr. Ans I retort this Quarie upon your selves who have forsaken th●● Scripture rule and left the good old way of the Saints and what have you to doe with the Apostles practises as Apostles ye false Apostles deceitfull workers transforming your selves into the Apostles of Christ a Cor. 11.13 that say ye are Apostles and are not but is found lyars Rev. 2.12 Ans Here thy winding Serpentine Wisedom and equivocation in seen evading my question turning is back against the innocent accusing us as above I say the Scripture we own every jor and tittle in its place and time of its ministration viz. the Old and New Testaments the first and second Priest-hood the Law and changest the Law I say all these we own in their time and also the change and we own and also witnesse the service of God and his worship in the newnesse of the spirit and not in the oldnesse of the letter and also the ruse of a new Creature which is availeable Gal. 6.15.16 which is and was the good old way of the Saints and so by that rule we come through him that doth renew us as in Tit. 3.5.6.7 into the practises of the Apostles in measure and so is not false Apostles nor no deceitfull workers that remains for thee to prove S. A. so 2 Cor. 11.13 touches us not Reader mark Paul in the 7. ver testifieth that he Preached freely and in the 9. ver Again That he was not burthensome And again in the 10. ver he would not be stopped of that boasting for cutting off occasion in the 12. ver from them which desire occasion mark Paul Preached freely and they that sought occasion against Paul was false Apostles even as the Priests of our dayes who Preaches for Hire now seeketh occasion against them that Preaches freely so Rev. 2.12 shall stand for your own condition and the Lord knows our innocency who knows also that I lye not neither doe I falsly accuse you ye Taske masters like of Egypt Pr. Ah arrant arrogant Pharisees Will no lower forme in the Church then that of the Apostle fit you 1 Cor. 12.28.29 and marke it well ah more umbitious thou Diotrophes Doe you love to have the highest preheminence Did ever any but the Pope that Lucifer Prelate and your selves pretend to an Apostolicall Commission and Revelation since the false Apostles But if ye will needs be Apostles then prove your Apostleship as Paul did 2 Cor. 12.11.12 or elt you must lye in the laps of the lye as indeed you doe Ans Here thou calls us proud wandring Pharisees from which we are clear I say our example had not where to lay his head Luke 9.58 and we are willing to take our portion with him and with our cloud of witnesses Heb. 12.1 who wandered being destitute c. Heb 11.37 and such laboured in travell Preaching the change of the Priest-hood and Law and was persecuted of them that had their Synagogues to creep into as you have now because they testified against them then as we doe against you now who is sound in their steps as is proved And whereas thou saith Will no lower forme sit c. as before I say we are content with our measure whether high or low and it is lawfull for us to covet earnestly the best things 1 Cor. 12.31 and that Scripture owned 1 Cor. 12.28 And though the Apostle hath shewed a more excellent way ver 31. And whereas we are accused with the Pope to pretend Apostolicall Commission the Pope we deny and all you who is proped up by his beastly power imprisoning for a Word or a question and suing at Law for your Gentils Tythes which was instituted and managed by the Pope and Saxon Kings as in the years 933 940 959 by King Ateston King Edmund and King Edgar Pope Innocent and others which Priest-hood and Tythes was never commanded by God in Old in or New Testament here you are seen succeeding your fathers ambitiously holding up that which God never commanded And whereas thou saith We pretend Apostolicall Commission False accusations selfe protences we deny but unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gist of Christ that measure we own Eph. 4.7 to be our Comission and Caller viz. the grace of God at the Apostle did Gal. 1 15. whether into Apostolicall or Propheticall or lower places which is all free Ministrations according to their measures without money or price and profitable in their places for the work of the Ministry for the edesying of the body for the perfecting of the Saints which perfection in this life by your Priests is denyed and so you are sound unprositable and false Apostles deceitfully working for your fat benefices transformed into the name of the Apostles or Ministers of Christs having your Commission from Man to trade with the Letter for money for the free Ministration of the Spirit is denyed by you so you deny the
light and seed which bruiseth the head of the serpent within take notice of that and unto him all power is given and he hath said Got not forth Mat 14.16 Pr. 13. Ac. The Papists prefer the vulgar translations before the saws words that the spirit did indite the Scriptures ●●s namely Hebrew and Greek and so doe the Quakers the English before these Ans We own all Tongues in their places but that the Scripture was given forth or indited by the spirit in Hebrew and Greek onely is false or there was at ler isalem of every Nation under Heaven and every man heard them speak in his own Language Act. 2.3.9 but I say that you or any other by the litterall Knowledge of these Tongues can open the Scriptures that we deny for as there is no respect of persons with God so there is no respect of Languages with him nor Tongues but in every nation he that fea●eth God and worketh righteousnes is accepted Acts 10 34 35 so seace your witchcraft from dawbing over the saints words with your Lod●ck who epride is in your songues your Tongues is waters the seat of the Whore Rev. 17 15. and because you would be counted wise and learned therefore you mingle your Tongues so your marchandize passes or currant amongst the blind yea I may say wilfully blind who if they will may see your ravenous inside out of which is powered envie railing lyes and slanders covetousne● and persecution at all that reads in this ●nd marks your reproa●hes may see And now I deny both the Papists and you who is both nursed up at Universi●ies so cal●ed and learned in your Tongues as Pilate was Iohn 10.19 o● let Peter and John be witnes against you who was not learned and yet gave forth the Scripture so our native Tongue we own as ch●ese to us because it is the fist of God wereby we understand one another and we own all other in their places but we deny them that takes pride in any Tongue or mixes their dirty Logick with the Scripture for money P● 14. Ac. If the Papists could but get down the regulusing authority of the Scriptures they would conclude they had won the field for they will not abide that all spirits be t●yed by the written word nor will the Quakers A. The Papists we deny and their indeavor herein and the Scriptures we own and their regall authority which is the power of God but all such as creep into houses to make a trade of the Scriptures abuseth the Scriptures authority and here ye Parish made ●s and Jesuite successors who coms from their Colleges into their Masse-houses are found in deavouring to tread the Regal or Kingly Authority of the Scripture under your seet so from that authority you are gone to the image of Queen Ma●●es Law by which the Jesuits was and you Priests is garded and by the same Law some of you have imprisoned to death as witnes Exeter Colchester Lancester Yorke and Durham Goales so the authority of the Scriptures viz. the power of God is denied by you which is sled to the power of nationall Laws and Magistrates to hold you by putting the letter for the word and tryall of spirits you your selves being ministers of the letter and yet whith the letter cannot see your selves in Cains Corahs and Bala●ms spirit and practises for which amongst the rest of your forceries the curse will overtake you exe●pt you repent And thou that would have the Scripture to be the tryar of spirits thou presumes to take the ballances out of the hand of God the Lord weigh●th the spirits Pro 16 2. and the spirit search●th all things 1 Cor. 2.10 and whatsoever maketh manifest is light Eph. 5.13 so that which searcheth weigheth and maketh manifest is the Lord his spirit and h● light and these three are one from whom we have ●ecei●ed the unction or ano●nting which teacheth of all thing 1 Iohn 2.27 they that t●yed the pirits was such as John exhorted to the anoyn●ing for teaching from the teachings of man saith he Yere●d not that any m●n te●●h you c 1 John 2 27 and they that were of God h●ard them that ex●or●ed to the anoynting from the teachings of men of corrupt minds and this I testifie that they are guided by the spirit of A●● Christ who doth not own Christ the light come into th●i● flesh to destroy the works of the Devill and to give thee knowle●●e of God and of Adoption and the hope of Glory and to give ●●e knowledge of condemnation and righteousnes and of ea●● 〈◊〉 stration and how they are passed through And whereas h●● art telling of a●titeen word ●o be the ●rya● I say the Scripture we 〈◊〉 the addition ●●e deny and shall have it upon thee to prove for ●●ver and gold is pure in its nature but it may be mou●●en into a Calfe so ●●o the Scriptures is pure and true as they are but they may be and is ab●sed by the builders of Babell now in the mis●ery of their work●ng but the Lo●d will no longer be mocked by such cunn●ng Carpenters but is risen and hath taken a view of all shadows by his light which is as the eye-lids of the Morning by which all buildings is made manifest to be upon the sand though the builders of all sorts have pretended to hew their stones from one Rock yet the Lord hath a controversie with you and by his power which is the authority of the Scriptures is the shaking all buildings at their very roots Pr. Now many more particulars could I instance were it necessary and not over tedious to prove your selves to be the Babylonesh Factors that have received the marke of the Beast in your hand though not in your fore-heads so fully yet as to discover you to all yet to us you are discovered plainely A These particulars which thou hast already instanced is sufficient for us to see thy blindnes for if thine eye had been open when thou searched my p●c●e as thou said thou would thou would have bin ashamed to have thus falsly accused us with thy confusion which accusations is justly reforted to the puddle from whence they sprang for even the same spirit that called Christ mad and said he had a Devill the same spirit that called Paul a pestelont fellow and a mover of Sedition I say the same spirit in thee S. A. hath indeavoured to joyn us with the Papists thine own predecessors as is proved therefore the Romish Factors or Merchants you are found as well as Babylonish having received the mark of the Beast in your Fore-heads rushing forward in lyes and slanders as a horse into the battell so beast like pushing and wrastling with flesh and blood viz. with the persons of men plunging them into holes and dungeons even as strong beasts drives the weak so here you are found exereising the power of the first Beast persecuting the free ministration of the spirit the anoynter
the comforter for the Scribes and Pharisees was the first that with stood the Ministry of Christ and persecuted the saints and spoyled their goods Secondly the Papists getting the name of Christians they brought in Gentiles tythes and so made an image to the first beastly persecuting Ministre of the Seribes and Pharisees having get up their Tythes Easter reckonings P●●er-pence Smoake-pence and the like as in Henry Clarkes Beck before mentioned in Anthony Pearsons Book stiled the great case of Ty●hes may be seen for the which they persecuted them that with held them Thirdly the ●arish masters or out dayes having get a fairer forme is found filling up the measures of both S●●thes and Pharisees and the Papists persecuting and fighting themselves as hath been proved and as I can witnes from Richard Gilpyn of Grastooks who pushed me with his hand calling me simple foole and threathing me with prison and clapping by the heeles c. so to us you are made manifest and shall no more we are a rough garment to deceive or a black dyed Inke garment but the Lord will cut off the name of the Kimerims or the name of the Black-coats so look to it you sons of the Sorcerers for the lack of wages hath stopped and will stop the mouthes of the idol shepherds that calls the Scriptures the word of God and try all of spirits And as for not being fully descovered to all I would we were discovered to all as we are by the grace of God that all might know our innocency concerning those things whereof thou Acenseth us Pr. And the marke you have received is your allowance among them to buy and sell with them so Rev. 13.16.17 for now they doe trust you and maintains commerce with you sith they see you will not stick to sell their Rats-bane for bread with which you have poysoned many a sonle A. Here thou slanderous man may be proved an open lyar as hitherto thou hast been all along thy preamble for although thou hast indeavoured and bended thy Caine-like spirit to prove us consederate with the Papists yet thou cannot justly and therefore thy fallacy is turned home again and thou and all you which is owned by them for their pastors and teachers must own them in community or else be ashamed of taking wages of them and also of ●●●ading in their steps and trading with their Wares for they learned 5. or 6. or 7. years more or lesse at a Colledge or else-where and so doe you They sing Davids Psalmes Translated into Rime and Meeter by Iohn Hopkins and Thomas Sternhold or others and so doe you They sprinkled Infants and so doe you They Preached Funerall-Sermons and so doe you They had Mortuaries and so have you They took money for Marrying Churching of Women Burying the Dead and so doe you They stood up in the same Pulpits in which you stand and in the same Houses as may be proved which you ignorantly call the Church They rent the Scripture into Heads Doctrines Uses Points Motives c. and so doe you They halled to prison them that spoke to them in the time of their houres talke and so doe you They Imprisoned but three moneths but you Imprison six so here you are found in their steps as may be seen in Anthony Pearsons Book and in Henry Clarks Book spoken of before And whereas thou saith We are allowed trusted and they maintains com●●e●ce or conversation c. with us here thou lyar is seen let their bloody persecution against us in France Spaine Italy and elsewhere beare testimony against thy slanderous Tongue which discovers the treasure of thy heart what it is And as for se●ing their R●t●-bane c. whereby we p●tson c. as above as thou saith I say the p●yson of Af●s is under the lips of lyars slanderers and false accusars in which work thou art found and thy Fellow levenars and all Ph●●i●●a●call and Papisticall marchandize we abhor and all such unreasonable men as thou art the Smoake of thy inverted Fuell is sea●●ered by the light of our Lord Jesus Christ in this Paper so p●ysoners you are by hypercrisie and it shall stand upon you in the day of the Lord for a name except thou repent of feeding poor people with leven And now to thy closure the scope of which I shall transcribe Pr. ●●co fesse I have been more tedious thou ●●●ntended c. and doth hereby testifie against your present condition and after a first and now this second admonition as Hereticks I●re act you c. Tit. 3.10 and will have no fam●lear fellowship with such selfe condemned persons as you are not honour any of your Papers any more with answer ●●r receive you to house c. least I should partake of your evill deeds c. A. Thou hast had a long travell in lyes and standerous accustions and the same that opened thy mouth in confusion and lyes is now closing or concluding thy paper with resolutions of the same nature but thou had more need to confesse and forsake thy folly and deceipt in which thou livest in the mistery as a Wol●e in a Sheeps Skin but it 's too hard for thee to wage war against the free ministration of the spirit of God for he will not be tyed to your forme nor confined to your houre-glasses or watches not will not at all be limited by this confused covetous Came-like gain-saying slanderous spirit which lodgeth and liveth in your invented traditionall will-worship which spirit in thee S. A. hath begun with a lye and continued thy Discourse with confused and unjust retortings and thy testimony against us is but such another a● theirs was who said this fellow said I am able to destroy the Temple of God c. Mat. ●6 60.61 and this I lay upon thee S. A. in the presence of the dreadfull God of Heaven and Earth that thou art a lyar a false accusar and a false witnesse against the innocent and guiltlesse reflecting that upon us which thou neither hast nor canst prove God forbid it were better for us to dye if it were so but we know our innoceney which will cleare us in the sight of God when these thy snares will setter thyne own fect And as for being Hereticks or obstinate in a false beliefe this is utterly false for we are willing to give account of our Faith and we doe appeale to God the Judge of all and to every mans conscience in his sight and to the testimonies of the saints viz. the Scriptures for any thing that we hold And thou S. A. that teacheth for the fleede and filthy lucre and is found thus lying and slandering hath nothing to doe with Titus For Titus did not make againe of people as thou dost see a Cor. 12.28 but thou art found a lyar falsly and enviously acousing the innocent So thou art not found in the spirit of godly admonition but in wrath and in the spirit of wilfull contempt against the