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A15103 An ansvveare vnto certaine crabbed questions pretending a reall presence of Christ in the Sacramente: latelie propounded by some secret papist, to the great troubling of the consciences of the simple, together with a discouerie of the Jesuiticall opinion of justification, guilefully vttered by Sherwyne at the time of his execution. Gathered and set foorth by Peter Whyte, very necessary & profitable for this dangerous time. White, Peter, Vicar of Eaton Socon. 1582 (1582) STC 25401; ESTC S114005 62,353 289

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owne felicitie and the great comfort of his Church Amen Your Honors most humble and faithfull Orator Peter White The Principall contentes in this Aunsweare 1 First the Papistes leaue the written worde flie vnto vnwritten verities 2 Secondly to cleaue onely to the written woord of God in matters of Faith Religion is the infallible marke of Christes true Church 3 Thirdly that the doctrine of the reall presence is false and vntrue against the truth of Scriptures and Fathers against the certainty of the natures of Christes person the trueth being of Sacramentes full of blasphemous absurdities renewinge againe sondrie wicked heresies it is also variable and most vnconstant 4 Fourthly of the manner of Christes presence in the sacrament of his body that it is agreable with the nature properties of hys person with his presence in Baptisme in his word and that as it is certaine and true so most effectuall and comfortable 5 Fiftly who were the firste inuentors of the reall presence and howe it was thruste vpon the Churche and confirmed with their name age 6 Sixtly that this carnall presence hath bene at al times and since the springe thereof resisted by godly learned men as other corruption● haue bene THE OBIECTION FRom the beginning of the Christian church vntill the yeere of our Lord. 1517. all that on the earth professed openlie Christes Catholike faith did beleeue as well in the Greeke as in the Latin Church the real presence of Christes bodie and blood vnder the formes of bread and vvine after consecration duelie made If this be tru● then the matte● is at an end But if you thinke i● vntrue then answere directly● to the matter folowing This faith of theirs vvas preshevved by the deliuerie from hand to hand of that doctrine euer since the beginning of the Christian Church and was maintained by the preaching and vvriting of the learned Fathers and pretested by the godly Honor vvhich the Christian people gaue to the said Sacrament in the time of Masse or otherwise THE ANSVVERE THese Obiecters good Reader at the first as it vvere the groūd of all their religiō whiche in trueth it is leaue the Scriptures knowing that by them they can not proue tharticles of their religion and flie vnto vnwritten verities and traditions deliuered from hand to hand and therevpon they laie their foundation So that and if thou vvilt giue them leaue this vvaie to proceede spoe 13. bess 2. they can easilie proue vvhat they list vnder the name of tradition Yet such is the deadlie vvounde that the sworde of Gods spirite hath giuen the beast that all their traditions and vnwritten verities are manifest and directlie contrarie vnto the vvorde of God We must therfore in all things belonging to faith followe the counsell and example of our sauiour Christ of his Apostles the belieuers at Thessalonica of all the primitiue and auncient fathers our Sauiour commaundeth vs to search the Scriptures he proueth the necessitie and truth of his office death and resurrection out of the Scripture He reproueth his Disciples because they vvere dull and slowe beleeuers of the Scriptures Iohn 5. Luk. 24. 4. Act. 17. 2. Timoth 3. 1. Timoth. 3. 1. Pet. 1 3. Pet. 1. Collos 3. The Apostles sende vs vnto the Scriptures The Thessalonians are greatlie commemded for searching the scriptures and making triall of S. Paules doctrine by the Scriptures Sermo Christi inhabitet vos largo saith S. Paule Let the doctrine of Christ dwell in you abundantlie The Scriptures vvere vvritten saith Ireneus that they might be fundamentum columna fidei l.b. 3. cap. 3. both the foundation and piller of our faith Aug. super Ioan. tract 49. When Christ our sauiour did and taught manie things electa sunt autem quae scriberentur quae saluti credentium sufficere viderentur Truelie those things that are sufficient for the saluation of the belieuers are chosen and vvritten out In this respect did the auncient fathers against all heresies laie them selues vpon the Scriptures Tertul. de resur carnis lib. 1. Ex scripturis arguuntur haeretici Heretikes are by the scriptures reproued And as Tertullian vvriteth De spiritu sanct● Ciril super Ioan. cap. 16 Aufer denique haereticis quaecunque Ethnici sapiunt vt de scripturis solis sistant quaestiones stare non poterunt Take from the heretikes the things they haue common vvith Infidels and force them to grounde their faith vppon the Scriptures onlie and their questions shal not be able to stand ●●ill super 〈◊〉 16 No man saith Chrisostome maie without the Scriptures pretend the holie ghost August ibi lem Non aliam quam Christus docuit disciplinam sequetur nec alias feret leges he shall followe no other doctrine then Christ hath taught he shal giue none other lawes And S. Ierome vpon the words of Saint Paule If an Angell come from heauen c. Non dixit si quis docuerit contra sed praeter supra He saide not if anie man shall teach contrarie but besides that alredy is taght And againe Post Apostolos quamuis sanctus sit aliquis quamuis disertus non habet authoritatem auoniam dominus narrat in scripturis After the Apostles though a man be lerned and holie yet hath he no authoritie for the Lord doth teach in the Scriptures And Tertullian ●e prescrip ad●erfus hereticos Nobis vero nihil ex nostro arbitrio inducere licet sed nec eligere quod aliquis arbitrio suo induxerit Apostolos domini habemus authores qui nec ipsi quicquā ex suo arbitrio quod inducerent eligerūt sed acceptam a Christo disciplinam fideliter nationibus assignauerunt We must not onelie bring in nothinge of our owne heades pleasure but also not receiue or choose those thinges whiche haue beene so broughte in of others We haue the Apostles of Christ authors whome wee must follow who also broughte in nothing of their owne inuētions but that doctrine which they receiued of Christ did they set downe vnto the people We therefore cōtinuallie say with Augustine and Ambrose Non audiaemus haec dico haec dicis sed audiamus haec dicit dominus August contra Petiltan Donat. cap. 9. Ambros de Virg. lib. 4. sunt certè libri dominici quorum authoritati vtrique credimus vtrique consentimus vtrique seruimus ibi quaeramus ecclesiam ibi discutiamus causam nostram We must not belieue that which this man and that man affirmeth but that which God him self teacheth vs to be true We haue the worde of God whose authoritie we belieue to vvhom vve do consent and vvhom vve obey there must we seeke our Church there muste vve sifte and examine our cause Nos noua omnia quae Christus non docuit iura damnamus quia fidelibus via est Christus We iustlie condemne all newe things that Christ taught vs not for Christ is the vvaie vnto the
faithfull And because he hath not taught this Real presence vve condemne it as you shall see For the Lord hath saide 〈◊〉 12. 13. Non facietis singuli quod vobis rectum videtur hoc tantum facito domino nec addas ad illud neque minuas ex eo You shal not do cuerie man vvhat seemeth good in your owne eies But that vvhich I commaunde you that shall you do vnto the Lorde Thou shalt not adde therfore anie thing vnto it neither take anie thing from it This first position namelie that from the beginning c. is false and contrarie to the testimonie of the Scriptures of Fathers th'articles of the Christian faith the practise of the olde Liturgies yea to the popishe Masse and agreeth with the errors of Marcion Valentinus and such like it is also contrarie to the nature of a Sacrament it draweth with it a number of blasphemous errors touching aswell the dietie as the humanitie of Christ The Scriptures do teach vs that Christ before his passion did tell his disciples that in the reall presence of his natural body Iohn 14. 16. 17. he would leaue not the world only but them also For in his praier immediatlie before his passion he vttreth these vvordes Nowe am I nor in the vvorld but they are in the vvorlde And I come vnto thee kepe those holie Father whome thou haste giuen me that they male be one euē as we are one Iohn 12. When I was with them in the vvorld I keept them in thy name And a litle before he saith I leaue the vvorld and go to my father The poore shall you alvvaies haue vvith you but me you shall not alvvaies haue And according to these sayinges of our sauiour Christ S. Luke saith Luk. 24. that he ascended vp into heauen S. Marke saith Mar. 1● he was taken vp into heauen and sitteth at the right hande of God The Angels said he should come in such visible maner as his Apostles sawe him taken vp S. Peter saith Act. 1. 3. heauen must holde him vntill the restoring of all things S. Paule saith Hphes 4. Colos 3. that he is on the right hande of God aboue the heauens and continuallie appeareth before his father for vs. The Articles of our faith sale Hebr. 8. 9. 10. he is in heauen at the right hande of God his father Which saying can not be true if Christ be really present vnder the formes of bread and vvine Also S. Paule saith 1. Corinth ●● huseb in hist ●●cle lib. lica 2. August super Loan homil 26. the children of Israel beeing in the vvildernesse did eate and drinke the selfe same Christe that vve novve doe but if vve doe it reallie vnder the formes of bread and vvine then is it not true that S. Paule saide for the bodie and bloud of Christe vvas not then really conceiued in the womb of the Virgine Marie therefore not of them reallie eaten Therefore it followeth necessarilie that they and vvee doe eate the selfe and the same Christe and that it is spirituall that vve eate and not reall S. Paule saith it vvas spirituall S. Augustine saith although the outward signes of the Sacramentes of the Israelites and our Christian sacramentes bee diuers yet the things thereby signified are all one and therto he alleadgeth the place of S. Paule And against Faustum Manicheum he saith Lib. 19. cap. 16. Quanto errore delirant qui putant mutatis signis sacramentisque etiam res ipsas esse diuersas With vvhat greate errour doe they lye and deceiue that thinke the substance or the thing of the Iewishe and Christians sacramentes are diuers because the signes and sacramentes are changed Bartrame also in his time Ad Carolum Magnume affirmeth the same thing It is also against the authoritie of the Fathers For they teach vs that Christ concerning his humane nature is in heauen and no vvhere els really present in that nature They also saie that there are tvvo partes of euerie sacrament the one muisible heauenlie and spirituall the other visible naturall and terrestriall They also vvith S. Paule do teach vs 1. Cor. 10. 11 that the substance of bread and vvine remaine still in the sacrament after consecration vvhich thinges be vtterlie vntrue if the bodie and bloud of Christ be reallie present vnder or in the sormes of bread vvine That Christ is onelie present in heauen concerning his humane nature Aug. super Ioan. tract 3. S. Augustine manifestlie affirmeth The bodie of our Lord saith he vvherein he did arise tract 5. super Ioan. cap. 12. can be but in one place and his truth euerie vvhere diffused And in an other place interpreting these vvordes of S. Iohn The poore you shall haue alwaies vvith you but me you shall not haue alwaies He saith The good heare this are not sorovvfull he spake of the presence of his bodie For according to his Maiestie his prouidence his ineffable and inuisible grace he performeth that vvhich he said Beholde I am vvith you vnto the ende of the vvorld but according to his fleshe vvhich the vvorde tooke vnto it according to that which was borne of the Virgin bound of the Iewes nailed to the tree put downe from the crosse vvrapped in linnen put in the graue and according to that vvhich rose againe you shall not haue me vvith you alvvaies Why so because he was conuersant with his disciples according to the presence of his bodie fourtie daies after his resurrection and they accompanving him in beholding not in folowing he ascended into heauen and is not here and there He sitteth at the right hande of his father is here For the presence of his maiestie departed not from vs. According to the presence of his fleshe it vvas truelie saide vnto his Disciples You shall not haue me alvvaies For the Church had him according to the presence of his fleshe but a fewe daies nowe the Church holdeth by faith but seeth him not vvith cies And in his Epistle to Dardanus saithe he Doubte not but that nowe the man Christe is in that place from vvhence he shall come Aug. ad Darda 〈◊〉 97. Keepe vvell in minde and holde faithfullie the Christian confession that he rose from death and ascended into heauen sitteth at the righte hande of the father Act. 8● and shall come from none other place to iudge the quicke and the dead and in the same manner shall he come againe The Angelles also witnessing the same as he vvas seene go into heauen vvith the same forme and visible substaunce shall be come againe For truelie he hath not taken nature or naturall properties from that bodie vnto the vvhiche hee hath giuen immortalitie According to this forme of humanitie he is not thought to be euerie where For vve must take heede that we do not so stretche his diuimitie to his manhoode that we take awaie