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A10967 An historical dialogue touching antichrist and poperie, drawen and published for the common benefit and comfort of our church in these dangerous daies, & against the desperate attemptes of the vowed aduersaries of Iesus Christ, his gospell, and this florishing state. by Thomas Rogers. Allowed by auctoritie. Rogers, Thomas, d. 1616. 1589 (1589) STC 21237; ESTC S112075 54,518 126

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especially for that soueraigne auctoritie hee had both to teach and reueale the wil of God cōcerning the redemption of man T. What was his auctoritie Z. Such as we are both enioined and that by a voice from the excellent glorie to heare him threatned to answere for the same if we despice his doctrine T. What were his giftes Z. Most diuine For he was the brightnes of the glorie and th'ingraued forme of God ful of grace and truth yea so full that all the fulnes of the Godhead dwelleth bodilie in him T. What was his doctrine Z. As were his qualities such was his doctrine euen most heauenlie For all thinges which hee hath heard from his Father hath he made knowen vnto vs and they are committed vnto writing that we might beleeue and that through beleeuing we might haue life through his name T. Now tell mee how Christ is diuested of this office and the Pope of Rome made the great Prophet of the Church of God Z. I haue mentioned nothing from the holie Scriptures touching either th'auctoritie or the giftes or the doctrine of Christ but the Pope is made to match that I say not to surpasse our Sauiour Christ in al and euerie of these respectes and therefore as great for power as Soueraigne for giftes as diuine for doctrine as Christ him-selfe T. I would see that confirmed Z. Who knoweth not that God is more pleased in his sonne Christ than they are delighted in their Father the Pope This is my beloued sonne heare him saith God And of the Pope this is our welbeloued Father in whom wee are delighted hear him say the papistes For whatsoeuer hee determineth is a knowen truth and that which he condemneth is a knowen error His lawes euen all of them are to be taken as confirmed by the mouth euen of God himselfe And whatsoeuer hee saith it is truth and he cannot erre Is not this to make the Pope of equall auctoritie with Iesus Christ T. To denie that is euen to gain-say an open truth Z. Moreouer that which latelie I alleaged though to an other purpose doth fitlie proue also that he is takē for giftes diuine partes to be as singular as our Sauiour Christ when they say of him an sainct Iohn said of Christ that of his fulnes wee do all receaue And that his doctrine is made equiualent with the Gospel of Iesus Christ it appeareth manie waies T. Shew that thing Z. He that will reade the bookes of Sentences especially the workes of Gabriel Biel shal finde that they make four sortes or degrees of the law of God T. What are they Z. The first degree be the lawes reuealed immediatlie from God him-selfe be written in the holie Bible especiallie in the Gospels penned through the wil of Christ for our better attainment of euerlasting happines T. What heare I Zelotes Is the word of God the first degree of Gods law be there moe lawes which are to be nombred among the lawes of God besides the holy Scriptures And among those bookes of the sacred Scriptures are the workes of the Euangelistes to be reputed but for lawes Z. That is their iudgement T. Proceede then and tel me what be the other lawes of God besides the holie Scriptures Z. The next are the Phansies and dreames either taken by tradition from man to man or deriued from the Scriptures by their false corrupt erronious pharisaical interpreting of them such are most of the Articles of the popish Creede sometimes drawen from the written word I graunt but rarelie agreeing with the sense of the holy ghost to th'analogie of the catholique faith T. And be the Articles of their faith lawes and their expositions to be accompted for the verie lawes of God Z. It is their opinion T. What bee their other lawes which they say are the verie lawes euen of God himselfe Z. They are of two sortes of one are the Canon lawes the Decretals Sixtes Clementines Extrauagantes and the like of thother sort be the Reuelations false Religions and Rules as of S. Bridget S. Frācis S. Dominick and that lame Spaniard Layola the founder of the Iesuitical viperous generation either penned or auctorized and made currant by the Popes of Rome T. And are men bound to take these and euerie of them euen as the verie lawes of Iesus Christ himselfe Z. Euen as the lawes of Christ. And how in cōparison of the Pope his lawes traditions ordinances and expositions they thinke of the holie Scripture it would carefullie be obserued T. What thinke they of the holie Scriptures Z. He was a Popish Bishop that sometime demaunded of a reuerend Father and afterward a blessed Martyr of Iesus Christ whether the people might not bee ordered without the holie Scriptures And he was à Cardinal of Rome that writ how there might be a Church without the Scriptures And another of that stampe whose name I now remember not said plainlie it had gone better with the Church had there bin no Scripture at all T. These are particular men you shew not the cōmon iudgement of the Romish church Z. It is written of the Circumcellian heretikes that they not onelie exercised most violent persecutions vpon the bodies of Sainctes but also burned to ashes in the fire euen the most holie bookes of God which wee call the Scriptures T. So did Herod afore them and the wicked Israelites afore them also but what of that Z. Their burning of those bookes notified vnto the world in what price and estimacion they had the most pretious word of God T. Yet this is nothing to the Papistes of whom our speech is Z. Yes verie much For they doing the same thing that is burning those bookes do shew thereby in what reuerend accompt they haue the holie word God T. Haue they burned the Scriptures of God as did the Circumcellian heretikes and other impes of Satan Z. Not onlie the Scriptures they haue burned but also in as barberous maner as euer was heard haue they burned into ashes the bodies of men onely for hauing I saie not the whole Bible but euen a litle fragment of the same euen the Lordes praier in the English tong and not allowing the same idolatrouslie to bee said vnto dead Sainctes And how that good Deane of Paules in Lōdon D. Colet should haue bin condemned for an heritike and burned it is notoriouslie wel knowen T. But wherfore Z. For translating the Pater Noster forsooth into English And againe how they haue cited tossed threatned and troubled of good people some for hauing the Newe Testament some the Gospel after S. Mathew some Th'actes of the Apostles some Th'epistles of S. Paul some the Reuelatiō of Sainct Iohn yea some for learning or teaching euen the verie groundes of all true Religion as namely the ten Commaundements the Creed the Lords praier some but for saying