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A59122 Remarks upon the Reflections of the author of Popery misrepresented, &c. on his answerer, particularly as to the deposing doctrine in a letter to the author of the Reflections, together with some few animadversions on the same author's Vindication of his Reflections. Seller, Abednego, 1646?-1705. 1686 (1686) Wing S2461; ESTC R10424 42,896 75

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