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A62667 The Quakers apostasie from the perfect rule of the scriptures discovered in a double reply to a twofold answer of theirs, in the vindication of several queries propounded by the author : wherein their deceits, blasphemies and reproches against scripture authority and ordinances of institute religious worship, are spoken unto, their main principles examined and denyed, the truth defended and cleared against their railing, slandering, censorious pens and tongues / by John Timson ... Timson, John. 1656 (1656) Wing T1295; ESTC R21114 77,026 109

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I beseech you dear friends consider are not such things as these evident expresses of dark deluded minds that have forsaken the right way and are entangled as you see Let me entreat your patience and diligence seriously to read these few sheets without prejudice and contempt the Lord knowes what diligence and tendernesse of bowels I have had to prepare this for you and some others to prevent and reduce from these dangerous snares which I am more sensible of and affected with then any temptation common to man that ever I heard of before It 's carryed on with such mysterious wiles that poor souls are surprized and taken in the net with great content and the more they are surprized the better pleased and readier to embrace whatever is suggested and rarely do any return from this Apostasie that were knowing practising Christians before But I have enlarged my self and opened my heart to my friends of Farndon in this Tract and I hope it will not be an offence unto them if it be it was hoped and intended otherwise I am confident your own hearts will witnesse unto most I have wrote although it be against that way which for the present you groundlesly adore As for those persons that have answered me who have charged me with bringing forth many lies and slanders and have made a noyse thereof as if I were some carnall lying wretch that matter not what I write those that are sober and of judgement may easily conceive by my Questions and Replies what lies I have brought forth and what lies those are they charge me with even such that the holy Scriptures witnesse to be the will and truth of God and as for any personall lye why have they not made the discovery Themselves cannot but be sensible that they have accused me of slanders in things that themselves have published which I did not know of untill afterwards by their own Books But let me desire you in your returns to answer to the main strength that is against you soberly and with as great a strength of reason and of Scripture Authority as you can for nothing else is like to take with him you oppose and be ashamed to asperse and reproach me to the world with meer impudence for want of just matter which trade is too common with you and those of your way to those of best quality and esteem amongst Christians But look into your own Papers and in cold blood consider how frequent you are in reviling and censuring of those that you have nothing to accuse them of justly from any Scripture ground but because they oppose you for being adversaries unto the truth As for your queries at last the most of them have been answered by a Reverend Minister of the Gospel Mr. Baxtor who is sufficiently reviled and reproached for his pains But the day is coming that will declare every mans work of what sort it is And I judge it necessary first to be resolved what the Rule is that we are to answer from to yours seeing you have denyed the Scriptures for being a perfect Rule of faith and obedience for my part I judge those not worthy to be answered at all nor in the least to be regarded that have denyed the Rule of Scriptures and were it not for the sake of those that are ignorant of their deceits and apt to be taken with the cunning sleight of seducing men and in hope of convincing my friends that I might be an Instrument to informe the one and reduce the other I had never engaged with these unperswadeable perverse men so wholly turned from the truth as he that runs may read and clearly see John Timson A VINDICATION OF Some Questions propounded to the QVAKERS The first Question WHether the holy Scriptures be the true declaration of the will and mind of God which doth oblige all that professe them necessarily to know believe and observe them as the only rule of faith and obedience The Quakers Answer The Scriptures are a true declaration of the things beleeved among the Saints and a true Testimonie of Jesus but not any doth them know by the outward declaration but by the word of Faith in the mouth and in the heart which word of Faith we preach Rom. 10. My Reply The Answer seems to be in the affirmative by saying the Scriptures are a true declaration of the things beleeved among the Saints But first the Question is who you mean by Saints whether your selves that are against all outward administrations and formes of worship in the Church as the Scriptures teach or those Saints of God that are willing to subject themselves to observe and do whatever is revealed to be done from the written word which hath been the profession and practice of all sound Christians both in and since the Apostolicall Churches unlesse some few upstart Hereticks or Apostates or profane have done otherwise Prove that ever any had the title of Saints Beleivers Christians c. that came not under Water Baptisme the Lords Supper the Churches watch and rule Censures c. which you deny and therefore it stands you upon to prove your selves Saints distinct from Apostates In your answer to this all you say is this That this charge is but a lying Slander and bid me prove it or else let thy mouth be stopped To this I answer What proof would you have Is it not your own profane language both in your Papers and conference It is no newes to heare most of your way to dispute against Water Baptisme the Lords Supper a setled fixed Ministry over particular Churches Tel us what Quakers administer Water Baptism the Lords Supper and constantly watch over a particular Flock or else for shame own the charge and confesse your sin in telling the world that these are my lying slanders when I know and your own consciences do witnesse it that what I have accused you of is the plain truth Nay William Duesbury saith in a lying Paper called A true Prophesie of the mighty day of the Lord already risen in the North of England c. in which paper he makes it his work to reproach and slander the Ordinances of Gospell worship under the notion of outward observations which Christs Kingdome cometh not in Luk. 17. And thus he accounts of all the Ordinances and institutions prescribed by Christ himself in the Apostolicall Churches and accounts all the strict observing of outward formes of Worship is but imitating the Saints practices in this Babylonish and heathenish wisdome all this outward forme is the outward Court which is without the Temple pag. 1 2. meaning they are without the Church and therefore calls them Babylonish and Heathenish as in his 4 pag. is more clear where he profanely compares the holy Ordinances and institutions of the Lord to that great Image set up by Nebuchadnezzar 's proud nature spoken of by Daniel Dan. 3.3 That Image was but a type and figure of this which now shines
of faith we preach Rom. 10. I told you that was a contradiction and a confused senselesse thing which you say stands as a witnesse against me and bid me prove my accusation Answ 1. I queryed you whether any of you did know and believe what is written in the Scriptures without the outward declaration unto which you answere not at all 2. I query what you mean by the word of faith in the mouth and in the heart which the Apostle preached Rom. 10.6 7 8. whether it be the same with the Doctrine of faith declared in the Scriptures writ to the Churches or different from it As I concluded before in my replie so I shall make it good still notwithstanding all that you have writ that the word of faith which the Apostles preached and writ to the severall Churches is the same with that which you call the outward declaration What are the writings of the Prophets and Apostles but the word of faith I told you that this of the Apostle doth allude to that in Deuteronom 30. and there we find the same of the word as it was written in the law as heer of the word of faith preached The Doctrine of faith was so familiarly preached and beat into mens heads hearts and mouthes that ignorance could not excuse any and the Apostle explains what this word of faith is verse 9. thus That if thou shalt confesse with the mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved You may see it's clear enough what the Apostle understands by word in the mouth and in the heart if you be not too perverse and in the 10 verse there is a reason urged to make all your cavils fall For with the heart man believes unto righteousnesse and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation and proves it by the Scripture Whosoever beleeveth on him shall not be ashamed Isa 28.16 What can be concluded hence but what the writings of the Scriptures contain and declare and yet you say not any can know the Scriptures by the outward declaration but by the word of faith which word of faith in your quotation is discovered by the Scriptures what it is so that you say and unsay not by the outward declaration but by it a meer contradiction which you will never free your selves of But why cannot any know Scripture by its own writing Can you know what is contained in the holy Scriptures without the outward declaration if not then you must know it by the outward declaration or not at all How do you know what is in your books but by the outward declaration But instead of answering to clear your selves you are froward and very impertinent and obscure and desperately confused as followeth in their next wherein they should shew us the difference between the declaration of Scripture and the word of faith preached And first they witnesse the Scriptures by the same light and Spirit that gave them forth Rom. 10. and in Christ Jesus the Lord of faith which the Apostles preached and declared of they believe Rom. 10.6 7. as the Apostles did who knew the Letter which kil'd and the word of faith which is quick and powerfull which word say they is God that made all things and the letter testifies of him whose name is called the word of God Revel 19.11 12. Joh. 1.1 Heb. 4.12 And then they say they have come off clear of what I have accused them of in their answer Answ Here is nothing but pride and coniusion in these lines unlesse we can credit every thing they have the boldnesse to say as infallible How are the Scriptures beholding to them for their witnesse who have the same light and Spirit which gave them forth the Lord of Hosts gave them forth all Scripture is given by the inspiration of God 1. Tim. 3. and they have the same light and the same spirit equall with God if one may believe what they say of themselves But what think you are not the Scriptures as inspired and given of God a perfect rule of faith and obedience unlesse you witnesse them to be so and what letter was that which the Apostles knew killed you take it for granted that it is the whole declaration of holy Scriptures but it is because you have no light nor Spirit of God in you The word of faith Rom. 10.6 7. is quick and powerfull c. which word is God that made all things Most senselesse Is the profession of Christ in the mouth and believing in him with the heart God that made all things is every gift and work of God in man God that made all things this is like their other notion Christ lighteth all and therefore that light is Christ as if every work and operation of Christ is Christ just like those that make God to be every thing that from him lives and moves c. So again Christ is the word his name shall be called the word of God and they have Christ the word of God within them and what need of that which is written they have it in the life and fountain and they will come under no other writings nor rule although never so much commanded by God in the expressions of the holy Spirit in the Scriptures Touching Heb. 4.12 in the second verse he shewes us what word he meant where he saith That the Gospel was preached to them as unto us but the word that they heard profited not them because it was not mixed with faith in them that heard it What word was this which was heard but the outward declaration in voice or writing or both And this word is quick and powerfull c. and the savour of life to some and of death to others according to the pleasure of him with whom we have to doe he blessing or blasting his own word and ordinance to the different ends intended by himself and for his glory whether in the diligent use thereof men be saved or in the contempt and neglect of the word men be damned The 2 Cor. 3.6 where it is said the Letter killeth is to be understood of the ministrie of Moses in comparison of the Gospell ministry administred by the Apostles that of Moses not so spirituall glorious effectuall as the new Testament was and yet it had its glory too but no glory in this respect by reason of the glory that excelleth vers 10. The Ceremonials their Gospel were but shadowes of good things to come the substance was Christ who was but darkly seen by the people but the Precepts and Threats of the Law were cleer which brought them under guilt and the remedie obscure and the fruit but little in comparison of the Apostles Ministry c. And hence the letter killed as administred by Moses but grace and truth comes by Jesus Christ It 's true the ministrie of the Apostles without the powerfull operation of the Spirit concurring was not
the mans fancie and design is in bruiting and making such a noyse of the the appearance of the mighty day of the Lord judge ye I am sure he hath sufficiently discovered his own follie in blazing abroad such dreams of his own lying heart as if he could perswade people to believe that he can tell them of a lying wonder Well but all judgement is given to the Son and by his light and spirit in them they assume to judge all error and bind all persons that oppose them as they tell me in his power thou art bound and thy error judged Themselves you see are set in the Throne of Christ and under the notion of a Christ they are judgeing the whole world but if all judgement be given to the Son of man in them whom they hold is not distinct from themselves then men must honour their persons as they honour the Father and every knee must bow to them in Heaven and Earth Christ came not to judge the world but that the world should be saved through him while the day of salvation lasteth Nay he forbids this judging Judge not lest you be judged and will they say that the person of Christ is come from heaven and appears in his Majesty and Glory with his mighty Angels in them why do they not command the dead to arise and appear before them and receive their everlasting Doom but they will sooner deny the resurrection and say it 's past already with Hymeneus and Philetus then raise one dead Corps to life again But let them tell us plainly how Christ is the sole Judge of error and how persons are judged in the time of Grace by Christ in them if not by his word that shall judge all at the last day that reject it and not receive it by what then They say the light of Christ Ausw 1. Are not the holy Scriptures a light given to the Church by Christ the head thereof 2. Christ is to be considered in his person and natures simply or in his Authority and divine operations vertually There is not any whom Christ dwells in by his person and natures for so he is farre above all heavens at the right hand of God Act. 7. And it is blasphemy to say that Christ is in them by his person as God and man and to deny the glorified body of Christ that God hath raised from the dead as the Quakers do and will not allow the Divinity of Christ any other union with his humane Nature but what he hath with his body the Church is a pernicious blasphemous opinion also for by this they make all the particular bodies of his Saints to be but one and that the Godhead is in them bodily so that the Saints are God and man in one person as Howgill Borrough and others commonly spaeke And hence they judge that Christs sufferings in them makes satisfaction for all their own sins and so make the death of Christ in that body that suffered at Jerusalem of none effect as to satisfaction and salvation they call him a Christ without which was but a type and figure of this Christ within but to leave these Infidell Dreams I told you that Christ is to be considered in his Authority as revealed unto us in his word by commands backed with promises and Precedents for to encourage to obedience And 2. His Commands are guarded with menaces and threats and with Precedents of Gods executing his judgements upon transgressors for the terror of those that shall transgresse afterwards And this written word of God is the sole Judge of error given by Christ to that very end And those Divine operations and workings of Christ in the hearts of those whom he doth quicken with his speciall renewing grace doe work up his peoples spirits to a willing obedience to his holy rule prescribed in the holy Scriptures Now for them to say that the power and workings of Christ in his chosen and the gifts of grace he gives to them is Christ and the eternall word that made the world is such a frenzie that cannot be expressed as if every influence and operation the Sun hath upon the Earth upon Plants and all other creatures so farre distant and distinct from it were the Sun or as if every drop of water that the clouds exhale out and scatter from the Sea was the Sea or as if the gift was the giver but we may question whether they that thus spake of a Christ in them that made the World know any thing of Christ or of themselves as they ought to know at all In the next place they tell me Thou in thy dark mind talkest of the Revelations of Christ and the Apostles Doctrine and the Christians life and the ground of their obedience all which thou thou art a stranger to as is manifest by these thy following words Namely where I writ to them thus That God hath ordained the holy Scriptures alone to be the object of Faith and ground of all our obedience and serving of God and to do any religious service to God out of any other rule or principle is but Will-worship and to follow the imaginations of our own hearts serving the Divell and not God Unto this they Answer With the eternall word of God that was from the beginning art thou judged to be none of Abrahams seed and art raised out from his faith to which thou art a stranger for it had an object before the Scripture was written in which faith he see Christs day who is the object of our faith and ground of our obedience Heb. 11.16 c. And in his light we see thee to be in the Will-worship who obeyes from another ground and walks after the imaginations of thy own heart which leads thee to worship the Devill in bringing forth the many lies in this paper which he hath begotten in thee who is the Father of lies My reply to theirs is In these lines the spirit in them moved very strongly as the indifferent Reader may easily judge by their insolent rash censures and ignominious crimes they reproach me with for my asserting that which every one that is a Christian can do no lesse then own namely That God hath ordained the holy Scriptures alone to be the object of faith and ground of all our obedience and serving of God c. For this I am sentenced by the eternall word to be none of Abraham's seed and rased from his faith But 1. How shall I be sure they received this sentence from the eternall word which they have pronounced against me it being so directly contrary to what Christ hath forbidden Judge not lest you be judged Mat. 7. And they themselves say in their Answer to the Question we are upon That the Revelations of Christ are according to Scripture if this judging came to them by Revelation from Christ how will you make it to accord and be reconcileable with Scripture I but say they Thou art judged
of the Spirit unto salvation may have some footing from that promise and so to the Gentiles But this reacheth not the thing in hand and is no more proper to them than to the weakest Christian that is renewed by the Spirit of Grace In the most proper sense that promise was fulfilled as Peter witnesseth Act. 2.16 above 1600. years ago but these say they witnesse it fulfilling now but they want not for boldnesse to say any thing they have a mind unto Next they bid me shew that Scripture that speaks of a written word or that calls it the savour of life quick and powerfull or that attributes any such things unto it as thou saist but if you cannot stop thy mouth Answ Most absurd is their first What is the Scriptures but words from the Lord committed unto writing and every sentence of Scripture is a written word What is Scripture but the writings of the prophets and Apostles and what did they write but words and what were those words but the Inspirations of God all Scriptures are given by Inspiration of God as hath been quoted again and again And what will they make of that promise themselves quote Joel 2. is not that a written word and all their other quotations The Apostles were the savour of death to some 2 Cor. and life to others 2 Cor. 2.16 But how was this but as they were Ministers of the Word for they were not as many which corrupt the word c. and the word is quick and powerfull Heb. 4.12 It 's called the immortall seed the power of God to salvation Rom. 1.16 David tells us Thy word hath quickned me and was light to his feet the rejoycing of his heart his heritage for ever and giveth light and understanding to the simple Psal 119.130 He witnesseth that Gods word is pure therefore he loved it ver 140. It is endlesse to recount the Epithites and honour and glorious esteeme the servants of God have alwayes had of the word as it is written and they that despise this word shall be destroyed Prov. 13.13 And let these wormes that are all along diminishing and detracting from the power and majesty of the Scriptures beware lest being given over to despise the word they be polluted in their own gifts and follow the imaginations of their own deluded hearts to their utter ruine if God by his grace prevent it not Whereas in their first Answer to the Question in hand they talk of yeelding faithfull obedience to the righteous and perfect Law of God in the heart in my reply I told them that they build all upon the light within and the Law of God writ in the heart and the Inspirations of Christ and so make the holy Scriptures superfluous and of no use whereas the writing of Gods Law in the heart is a blessing of the Covenant promised to the use of those wayes and means God hath given to the Church in order to that end his word and ordinances the Instrumentall cause of this blessing of grace to whom he will the writing of his Law in the heart being but the same with a new heart regenerate and quickned by a Divine power of speciall grace which softens the hard uncircumcised heart of man and makes it pliable to receive the Words impression as standing willing and ready to believe and do what Jesus Christ in the Rule of his word would have him to do being made willing in the day of his power upon the heart to yeeld faithfull obedience to all the Lawes and Ordinances of Christ revealed in his holy word And to jumble things together as they by making the light and Inspirations of Christ and Law in the heart all one are most confused notions of things that differ as much as the efficient and the effect the giver and the gift the will of God in commanding and the blessing of God overruling the subject to a willing obedience but let them tell us where the Scriptures speak of a righteous perfect Law of God in the heart either in all men or in some and who they are that have such a Law written within which of the Prophets or Apostles gives the discovery of a perfect Law in the heart unto which all our obedience is to terminate as the only Rule if they cannot produce Scripture Authority for it let them confesse it a Law of their own fancie as to the end they intend it for But they say in their last Answer to this in hand Vpon the Prophets and Apostles we build and Christ Jesus who hath enlightned every one that comes into the world is the chief corner stone though he be set at nought by thee and the builders who would set the Scriptures in his place making them the enlightener and calls his light but an effect of them which light was before Scripture was and will lead them that walk in it out of darknesse to the knowledge of God and eternall life Joh. 8.12 But this light is not received into the mind and head from the Scripture neither can it be blotted out as thou hast said but it comes from Christ who is the glory of his people Israel and the light of the Gentiles such as thou call'st pagans who shall be excused when thou and all that oppose the light of Christ shall be condemned though you can talk of Christ as Bedeemer and Mediator of his Spirit and regenerating Grace all which you are strangers to c. Answ Let the indifferent Reader judge how true it is that they build upon the Prophets and Apostles while they have and are denying the holy Scriptures to be a perfect Rule of faith and obedience and affirme that the light of Christ is not received by the Scriptures and yet they say upon the Prophets and Apostles they build and is not the writings of the Prophets and Apostles that Scripture that they exclude from receiving the light of Christ in their minds and heads What Prophets and Apostles is the Church built upon if not upon those that have declared the mind of God and Jesus Christ in the holy Scriptures And shall any think that the Scriptures oppose the light of Christ because they are written to make the clear discovery of Christ as Redeemer and without which not any can know him to any such end But it 's charged upon me to be a fault in making the Scripture an enlightener and calls Christs light but an effect of them Answer whether I used those terms I am not sure this I said and cleared my self in that the Scriptures simply considered of themselves did not enlighten nor convert as an efficient cause thereof but were appointed and designed of God to be the only Instrument and Vessel of his Spirit to conveigh the knowledge of Christ as Redeemer to lost man and without them Christ is not known at all to any saving ends or to this purpose I spake I have proved that the Word doth give light to
Gods Spirit a new heart and of putting his fear and writing his lawes and circumcising the hearts of the Fathers and children to love the Lord with all their hearts and sending his Son to blesse his people in turning them from their iniquities and to give them repentance and remission of fins is performed to all in the world I pray you consider and do not wilfully forsake your own mercies in the resisting of that truth which by this time you cannot but confesse in the secret of your souls and stand convinced in your selves that your foundation is meerly the mud and sand of a deluded fancie See what absurdities you plunge your selves into besides the denying of the Scriptures for a perfect Rule of faith and obedience and all other means of working Grace that God hath appointed to that end And in your denying the Authority of Scriptures for a Rule you have weakned the seeming strength of this Text for if it be not a Rule of faith at all then not in this particular thing and then what remains to colour over your main principle save only your private fancies under the pretence of the Spirit that gave forth the Scriptures as if the same Spirit would crosse and contradict it self so notoriously as you have seen and thus by laying another foundation besides what the Apostles preached and practised in the Christian Churches of Christ hath runned you out of all truth which the Scriptures teach and which the Saints in all ages since have professed and witnessed with their dearest blood I confesse the Church of God hath been troubled with men of perverse minds that have forsaken the truth and fomented many of the same erroneous opinions that you center in as universall Redemption universall grace freewill justification by works falling finally from grace yet the Authors of these errors use to be more sober and rationall in their inferences and practises concluded hence then you of this Generation they still urged the use of all out ward helps and advantages as to Christian practice both to God and man according to the rule of the word they professed the word for the rule though upon mistake they were forced to pervert it the opinions being so point-blank against the evident light of Scriptures as hath been made to appear by able pens in all times and places against them But the improvement of the same things as touching your selves is most desperate and Diabolicall talk of a sufficient light and grace in all to be saved and then discourage from the use of Scriptures ministry ordinances of Religious Worship c. bid people mind the light while they do what they can to put it out even that which they have received by the blessing of the Lord in the use of Christian education according to Scriptures as if all that any man receives from the Lord in the use of those means himself hath undoubtedly appointed and commanded were inconsistent to the light within when all impressions of the light of Conscience as it is Divine is attained by the blessing of the Lord in the use of the Scriptures and Scripture ministry as hath been spoke to Then to make this light in all Christ the eternall word the Law of the new Covenant the Spirit of God which was promised to be sent to convince the world of sin c. Who ever fancyed such prodigious blasphemies before now which your papers stink of You have questioned the light of Scriptures the light of Christs person and ministry and Authority you have questioned whether there were a written word of God a person natures and offices of Christ and have upon the matter made that little spark of the light of reason corrupted which is in meer heathens the light of Christ who according to promise is called the light of the Gentiles as if that light which is in all that know not God nor ever heard of Jesus Christ what he is and what he did was the fulfilling of those promises and prophosies What use is there of such promises and prophesies that all in the world have had the performance of from the beginning of the world but the holy Apostles understood those promises fufilled only to those Gentiles that were enlightned by Christs word to believe in his name and to submit to his Lawes revealed such Gentiles only were built upon the Prophets and Apostles Christ the chief corner-stone all others were without Christ Aliens from the Commonwealth of Gods Israel strangers from the Covenant of promise and without hope and without God in the world These things are so plain and have been so cleered against you that you will be left without all excuse if you resist such evident light and be ashamed ever to talk of Scripture more if your Consciences be past feeling that you can oppose the light and Authority of Scripture without fear The truth is you are so intoxicated with this notion of Christ lightning all immediately and so bewitched in your minds touching the manner of working it that you preferre the light common to all in the world and the discoveries thereof to eternall happinesse before all the light of Christ which by his Spirit he hath discovered unto any by the writings of the Prophets and Apostles But without any doubt all this is because you have no light in you I have gone beyond my intended bounds though I have not done my intended work which was to go through all your Answers to my ten Questions but for want of my Papers which you detein from me against your promise and that civility I presumed upon in you when I sent them without keeping a Copy by me as I told you And indeed fearing that I shall be too tedious to the Reader and to my own occasions I have thought good to publish these as judging them necessary not only to forewarn you to flie from the wrath which is to come but also to admonish my friends more timely and to informe those of weaker judgements to prevent their running into these damnable herefies while your selves some of you are compassing the earth to make Proselytes and to seduce them into these snares of Hell below And because I know delusion is very strong when it is inflicted in judgement for former coldnesse out of which I fear your obstinacy in that Gulph of Apostasie that you are involved in will rather prompt you to defend and excuse or deny what I have charged you with and endeavoured to convict you of Therefore though out of the same Spirit you writ to me before you be moved to the same envy malice lying censures railings judgings in your return as I see you want not for impudence to face out any thing to asperse and make odious those that are farre better then my self yet I know that my record is on high that out of the integrity of my heart and measure of light received I have writ what I have published and am resolved to be
main fundamentall Did you ever read of going through the Law to Christ Must a sinner go through it in perfect obedience till nothing remains to oblige him further And is this the way to Christ in whom justification is witnessed only I think those that can do so will see but little need of that true Christ who justifies the ungodly and came into the world to save sinners And whether I or you be alienated from the life of Christ as you censure me according to Scripture let the sober judge And whereas I said in my Reply the light which is common to man in corrupt nature doth make discoveries of the eternall Deity and of the righteousnesse contained in the written law of God but discovers nothing of Christ as Redeemer or how a sinner is made just in him the Scriptures being necessary to discover that is the truth Your denyall argues plainly that you have no light in you untill you prove either by the Law and Testimony of the Prophets and Apostles what you deny till then let shame stop your censorious mouthes which almost every line hath some ill favour of And what I have accused you with in pressing people to look to the light within is but to follow after the righteousnesse of the Law at best is true and in so doing you hinder them from seeking after the righteousnesse of Christ as Scriptures teach and you deceive your selves and others your shew of quotations will not cover you as being wilfully perverted there not being any colour in any of the Texts to prove that all in corrupt nature are lightned with the light of Christ to lead out of darknesse to eternall life Joh. 1.9 Which I shall endeavour next to examine your strength and give in my Answer is the main one 1. That all the light in the World whatsoever notion or consideration kind or degree it can come under is from Christ the eternall word that made all things is an unquestionable truth 2. And that he is the only procuring cause of that spirituall light and life to man without which not any can be saved 3. And that this spirituall light and life is in himself as in the fountain and he the principal efficient enlightning and quickning whom he will is by me as easily yeelded but whether Jesus Christ the eternall son of God the only Mediator between a holy God and sinfull man doth enlighten every man that is in the world with such a sufficient light of his Spirit that whosoever will but heed and observe it to obey it will lead them out of the darknesse of corrupt nature to eternall life Whether they have the use of Scriptures or not the use of them is the Question to be disputed from this Text Joh. 1.9 And my Answer is in the negative to it opposing it as very unsound especially when the neglect of necessary means is pleaded and an immediate light and power of Christ only pretended and urged And yet something is to be premised too I yeeld that all men have so much light or means of light offered and afforded that shal leave all men without excuse before the great Tribunall of Jesus Christ where men shall not be condemned for what they could not do and be but for not doing and doing things they should not and had power and light to do and forbeare but would not such a corrupt thing is man in his fall that he will not though he may do better in order to his eternall wellfare Who amongst unregenerate men can stand to plead it with God and say Lord I have done my utmost to forsake my sins and turn to thee in the use of all those helps and means enjoyed with constancy and diligence to the utmost of my power time and place and yet thou hast denyed me thy Grace of acceptance unto life and condemnest me for that which I had not power at all to do and be God cannot be said to be behind-hand with any nor doth the work stick at him while men carelessely neglect to do what they have power to do in the use of those advantages God gives to any Although every mouth shall be stopped and all stand guilty before God that perish yet it will not follow as in the Question that all have a sufficiency of light and power of Grace by Christ to come out of darknesse to eternall life which is a wide different thing which not any Scripture teacheth but disowneth by evident demonstrations nor can this Scripture in hand be urged further then will agree with the proportion of faith And in as much as our adversaries own this Text of Scripture for the rule of their opinion and practice and some others it doth oblige them to own the whole of Scriptures because the same Spirit is the Author of the whole as of those few Texts they build upon And for them to deny the Scriptures for a perfect Rule and in the mean while are so stiffe in urging some particular Texts as this in hand and Swear not at all and Call no man Master and Salute no man by the way The Spirit shall guide you in all truth You shall not need to teach one another c. is a contradiction in its self and a speaking lies in hypocrisie as ever were known But now I come to the words themselves That was the true light which lighteth every man that comes into the world this true light is to be understood of Christ God and man is clear for it was spoken of him whom John was sent to bear witnesse of The Evangelist saith that John was not that light which shines in darknesse c. but was sent to bear witnesse of that light vers 8. And yet we know John is called a burning and a shining light too which is to be understood ministerially as he was fitted and sent to prepare the way and give the present discovery of the very person of Christ to the people of the Jewes who had generally a good opinion of John that he was a true Prophet that so all men through him might believe But why is Christ called that true light fingularly beyond John who was a true light to all men to bring them to believe in Christ Because Christ hath all light and life in himself originally and enlightens others as an efficient of himself being God but John was but his Instrument and Messenger and received all from him for the carrying on that work he was sent to do so that it 's true of John that his person and office was a true shining light in his place but Christ in his person and ministry for as much as he was more then man is that true light indeed that gives light of himself to lighten the world as if he had said there 's not a man in the world but whatsoever light he hath or good under that notion he hath received it from Christ Indeed he is the very Soul of the world