Selected quad for the lemma: scripture_n

Word A Word B Word C Word D Occurrence Frequency Band MI MI Band Prominent
scripture_n doctrine_n tradition_n unwritten_a 3,444 5 12.5860 5 false
View all documents for the selected quad

Text snippets containing the quad

ID Title Author Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication) STC Words Pages
A27380 Tradidi vobis, or, The traditionary conveyance of faith cleer'd in the rational way against the exceptions of a learned opponent / by J.B., Esquire. J. B. (John Belson), fl. 1688. 1662 (1662) Wing B1861; ESTC R4578 124,753 322

There are 11 snippets containing the selected quad. | View original text

consideration_n of_o circumstance_n plain_o refuse_v as_o for_o that_o part_n of_o your_o seven_o paraph_n where_o you_o deny_v the_o council_n be_v force_v to_o conclude_v out_o of_o tradition_n the_o desire_n of_o serve_v you_o make_v i_o wish_v myself_o a_o better_a historian_n than_o i_o be_o but_o i_o think_v the_o epistle_n of_o s._n athanasius_n to_o the_o african_n which_o you_o will_v find_v in_o theodoret_n lib._n 1._o c._n 8._o will_v sufficient_o clear_v that_o truth_n to_o you_o since_o it_o will_v inform_v you_o that_o whatever_o word_n the_o father_n of_o the_o council_n can_v choose_v out_o of_o scripture_n to_o express_v the_o catholic_n faith_n in_o the_o arian_n know_v how_o to_o elude_v by_o show_v the_o same_o word_n to_o have_v other_o sense_n in_o other_o place_n which_o at_o last_o force_v the_o father_n to_o invent_v a_o new_a word_n and_o give_v occasion_n to_o the_o arian_n of_o murmur_a that_o they_o be_v condemn_v by_o unwritten_a word_n that_o be_v not_o by_o scripture_n but_o by_o tradition_n since_o what_o have_v former_o be_v say_v will_v i_o hope_v be_v a_o ingenuous_a answer_n to_o the_o question_n of_o your_o eight_o paraph_n and_o satisfy_v you_o that_o tradition_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o the_o same_o inconvenience_n with_o word_n there_o remain_v no_o more_o but_o to_o vindicate_v mr_n white_a from_o the_o inconstancy_n you_o charge_v he_o with_o to_o which_o there_o will_v i_o think_v no_o more_o be_v needful_a then_o bare_o to_o represent_v the_o case_n to_o your_o second_o thought_n our_o faith_n you_o know_v must_v be_v both_o believe_v and_o express_v the_o expression_n he_o conceive_v it_o sit_v shall_v be_v uniform_a and_o that_o the_o best_a way_n in_o order_n to_o it_o be_v to_o make_v use_n as_o much_o as_o may_v be_v of_o those_o which_o the_o holy_a ghost_n in_o scripture_n have_v before_o make_v use_n of_o but_o since_o expression_n suppose_v the_o knowledge_n of_o what_o it_o be_v we_o will_v express_v he_o hold_v there_o be_v some_o other_o way_n to_o come_v to_o this_o knowledge_n beside_o look_v upon_o the_o expression_n which_o be_v consequent_a to_o the_o knowledge_n whereas_o the_o way_n to_o it_o be_v before_o it_o and_o that_o the_o expression_n naked_a of_o themselves_o and_o leave_v unguarded_v of_o other_o help_n be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o preserve_v and_o secure_v the_o truth_n they_o contain_v the_o position_n then_o be_v both_o true_a that_o the_o scripture_n be_v the_o best_a rule_n to_o govern_v our_o expression_n by_o and_o yet_o not_o sufficient_a to_o regulate_v our_o belief_n and_o the_o contradiction_n you_o fancy_n between_o they_o proceed_v not_o from_o his_o inconstancy_n but_o your_o inadvertence_n ¶_o 9_o of_o late_o i_o have_v read_v over_o iraeneus_n diligent_o endeavour_v to_o see_v the_o rule_n he_o take_v for_o to_o confute_v the_o error_n he_o write_v against_o and_o can_v see_v but_o you_o be_v out_o one_o or_o two_o place_n indeed_o i_o have_v find_v seem_v to_o favour_v you_o which_o since_o i_o find_v your_o writer_n make_v use_v of_o yet_o if_o i_o understand_v any_o thing_n he_o be_v your_o enemy_n he_o say_v indeed_o in_o his_o five_o book_n cap._n 4._o what_o if_o the_o apostle_n have_v not_o leave_v we_o scripture_n ought_v we_o not_o to_o have_v follow_v the_o order_n of_o tradition_n which_o they_o deliver_v etc._n etc._n but_o do_v not_o this_o imply_v we_o need_v not_o use_v crutch_n see_v we_o have_v leg_n some_o nation_n he_o say_v have_v no_o write_a word_n yet_o have_v the_o same_o doctrine_n which_o be_v write_v what_o then_o as_o long_o as_o they_o have_v and_o retain_v the_o doctrine_n pure_o whether_o in_o writing_n or_o in_o their_o heart_n it_o be_v well_o but_o though_o the_o apostle_n do_v leave_v some_o nation_n the_o gospel_n without_o write_v it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o they_o will_v have_v always_o retain_v and_o keep_v it_o in_o succeed_a age_n pure_o where_o be_v there_o any_o particular_a church_n under_o heaven_n that_o have_v to_o this_o day_n keep_v the_o doctrine_n of_o salvation_n from_o the_o apostle_n entire_o without_o any_o writing_n he_o may_v challenge_v his_o adversary_n to_o show_v their_o doctrine_n come_v from_o the_o apostle_n by_o tradition_n live_v present_o after_o those_o time_n wherein_o some_o that_o converse_v with_o the_o apostle_n live_v and_o when_o all_o church_n agree_v as_o in_o iraeneus_n his_o time_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o that_o unity_n be_v then_o a_o good_a assurance_n they_o all_o come_v from_o one_o fountain_n but_o the_o case_n be_v alter_v those_o ancient_a church_n afterward_o be_v divide_v and_o then_o who_o must_v a_o man_n believe_v when_o each_o say_v they_o have_v the_o way_n to_o heaven_n ¶_o 9_o i_o be_o sorry_a your_o opinion_n and_o i_o disagree_v so_o much_o about_o irenaeus_n who_o though_o i_o can_v profess_v to_o have_v read_v so_o exact_o as_o you_o do_v yet_o i_o dare_v say_v i_o be_o not_o mistake_v as_o i_o think_v you_o be_v in_o the_o sense_n of_o those_o place_n i_o have_v read_v and_o first_o the_o edge_n of_o those_o two_o you_o bring_v in_o our_o behalf_n seem_v not_o at_o all_o take_v off_o by_o the_o answer_v you_o give_v they_o for_o since_o in_o case_n no_o scripture_n have_v be_v leave_v he_o refer_v we_o to_o the_o order_n of_o tradition_n plain_o suppose_v tradition_n will_v have_v do_v our_o business_n and_o that_o we_o have_v not_o even_o in_o that_o case_n be_v leave_v without_o a_o rule_n it_o have_v be_v nonsense_n to_o refer_v we_o to_o a_o rule_n which_o will_v not_o have_v be_v a_o rule_n when_o try_v and_o have_v he_o think_v so_o he_o will_v certain_o have_v tell_v we_o there_o have_v be_v in_o that_o case_n no_o rule_n at_o all_o and_o if_o so_o then_o pray_v why_o be_v not_o tradition_n as_o much_o a_o rule_n with_o scripture_n as_o without_o they_o they_o may_v add_v to_o its_o force_n by_o their_o testimony_n but_o take_v away_o nothing_o of_o its_o efficacy_n for_o that_o the_o truth_n which_o the_o apostle_n teach_v be_v write_v sure_o make_v they_o no_o whit_n the_o less_o truth_n and_o if_o it_o may_v be_v know_v what_o it_o be_v they_o teach_v as_o you_o see_v irenaeus_n be_v of_o the_o opinion_n it_o may_v by_o tradition_n i_o hope_v the_o security_n be_v equal_a whether_o it_o be_v or_o be_v not_o commend_v to_o writing_n this_o place_n then_o which_o by_o the_o way_n be_v not_o in_o the_o five_o but_o three_o book_n make_v it_o very_o evident_a irenaeus_n hold_v another_o rule_n beside_o scripture_n that_o be_v scripture_n not_o the_o only_a rule_n which_o be_v your_o tenet_n again_o since_o some_o nation_n have_v the_o doctrine_n but_o have_v no_o scripture_n do_v it_o not_o follow_v undeniable_o that_o there_o be_v another_o mean_n beside_o scripture_n to_o preserve_v the_o doctrine_n among_o they_o and_o further_o that_o the_o apostle_n trust_v not_o to_o write_v the_o preservation_n of_o the_o doctrine_n they_o teach_v they_o which_o have_v they_o intend_v for_o a_o mean_n much_o more_o the_o only_a mean_n of_o do_v it_o they_o can_v be_v imagine_v to_o have_v omit_v i_o learn_v therefore_o from_o this_o place_n both_o the_o efficacy_n of_o tradition_n which_o actual_o do_v preserve_v the_o apostle_n doctrine_n without_o writing_n and_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o apostle_n who_o leave_v their_o doctrine_n in_o these_o nation_n not_o to_o scripture_n but_o tradition_n to_o be_v preserve_v but_o it_o follow_v not_o say_v you_o they_o will_v have_v retain_v their_o doctrine_n pure_a in_o succeed_a age_n although_o they_o do_v so_o till_o irenaeus_n time_n and_o pray_v why_o do_v it_o not_o follow_v provide_v they_o will_v still_o make_v use_n of_o the_o mean_n by_o which_o they_o retain_v pure_a doctrine_n till_o that_o time_n and_o what_o time_n shall_v be_v assign_v in_o which_o the_o same_o cause_n shall_v leave_v off_o produce_v the_o same_o effect_n since_o confess_o tradition_n do_v preserve_v the_o doctrine_n till_o then_o you_o shall_v prove_v not_o bare_o affirm_v it_o can_v do_v so_o no_o long_o but_o the_o truth_n be_v and_o your_o own_o clear_a thought_n will_v certain_o show_v it_o you_o that_o rule_n be_v so_o far_o from_o a_o likelihood_n of_o betray_v the_o truth_n commit_v to_o she_o that_o it_o can_v be_v contrive_v into_o a_o possibility_n that_o it_o shall_v betray_v they_o for_o since_o the_o apostle_n leave_v they_o the_o truth_n as_o long_o as_o they_o retain_v what_o they_o receive_v from_o the_o apostle_n and_o admit_v nothing_o else_o which_o be_v the_o method_n of_o tradition_n pray_v what_o door_n can_v error_n find_v to_o creep_v in_o at_o it_o be_v not_o therefore_o possible_a for_o they_o to_o make_v shipwreck_n of_o their_o faith_n till_o they_o have_v first_o
present_o explicate_v by_o other_o word_n till_o it_o be_v perfect_o take_v away_o and_o the_o thing_n understand_v whereas_o scripture_n be_v confine_v to_o those_o precise_a word_n it_o contain_v concern_v which_o if_o either_o yourself_o have_v any_o doubt_n or_o another_o raise_v it_o in_o you_o you_o have_v no_o mean_n of_o satisfaction_n for_o how_o can_v you_o come_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o thing_n signify_v while_o you_o be_v at_o a_o loss_n about_o the_o sign_n that_o sign_n which_o be_v all_o you_o have_v to_o trust_v to_o be_v to_o explicate_v another_o thing_n not_o itself_o now_o if_o you_o reflect_v that_o the_o gospel_n be_v preach_v or_o deliver_v by_o word_n of_o mouth_n with_o that_o care_n and_o time_n that_o it_o be_v not_o only_o well_o understand_v by_o the_o people_n but_o settle_v deep_o in_o their_o soul_n by_o a_o constant_a practice_n and_o high_a esteem_n you_o will_v see_v that_o since_o they_o understand_v the_o doctrine_n deliver_v to_o they_o and_o can_v not_o forget_v it_o by_o reason_n of_o their_o constant_a practice_n nor_o lose_v it_o by_o reason_n of_o their_o multitude_n tradition_n have_v not_o one_o of_o the_o difficulty_n make_v to_o scripture_n this_o advantage_n too_o which_o oral_a delivery_n have_v above_o writing_n ought_v not_o be_v forget_v that_o the_o liveliness_n of_o the_o voice_n and_o aptness_n of_o the_o gesture_n and_o such_o companion_n of_o word_n fit_o pronounce_v do_v infinite_o contribute_v to_o make_v they_o be_v understand_v we_o see_v ironical_a expression_n differ_v not_o otherwise_o from_o serious_a one_o then_o in_o the_o motion_n of_o a_o lip_n or_o eye_n and_o yet_o how_o vast_a be_v the_o difference_n nay_o the_o action_n of_o the_o speaker_n suit_v to_o and_o join_v with_o the_o circumstance_n in_o which_o he_o speak_v be_v perhaps_o of_o all_o interpreter_n the_o best_a and_o admit_v the_o least_o doubt_n of_o his_o meaning_n write_v therefore_o necessary_o want_v these_o help_n must_v of_o necessity_n want_v also_o a_o most_o effiacious_a mean_n of_o make_v the_o word_n it_o present_v to_o the_o eye_n intelligible_a which_o these_o enjoy_v that_o be_v convey_v to_o we_o by_o the_o ear_n that_o scripture_n have_v couch_v in_o i●_n most_o if_o not_o all_o truth_n essential_a to_o christianity_n in_o divers_a expression_n i_o conceive_v to_o be_v true_a but_o if_o you_o will_v compare_v it_o to_o tradition_n you_o must_v add_v that_o these_o truth_n be_v indisputable_o acknowledge_v and_o practise_v both_o with_o constancy_n and_o high_a esteem_n by_o a_o multitude_n and_o i_o shall_v then_o not_o think_v it_o inferior_a to_o tradition_n with_o which_o perhaps_o it_o will_v be_v the_o very_a same_o and_o for_o the_o example_n of_o papias_n i_o be_o sure_a it_o be_v nothing_o against_o i_o it_o be_v evident_a there_o want_v the_o condition_n necessary_a to_o tradition_n viz._n of_o be_v open_o and_o constant_o preach_v to_o such_o a_o multitude_n as_o can_v certain_o witness_v of_o it_o that_o perfect_o understand_v it_o and_o practice_v according_a to_o it_o and_o i_o think_v it_o make_v for_o i_o since_o in_o all_o likelihood_n the_o error_n proceed_v from_o this_o that_o the_o word_n use_v in_o discourse_n by_o the_o apostle_n be_v misunderstand_a by_o some_o of_o the_o hearer_n and_o what_o happen_v to_o they_o when_o they_o be_v speak_v i_o know_v nothing_o can_v hinder_v they_o from_o be_v liable_a to_o after_o they_o be_v write_v so_o that_o even_o that_o example_n conclude_v that_o all_o error_n proceed_v from_o the_o deceitfulness_n of_o set_a word_n which_o tradition_n not_o be_v tie_v to_o be_v also_o free_v from_o the_o inconvenience_n they_o be_v the_o occasion_n of_o ¶_o 4._o we_o may_v to_o our_o comfort_n remember_v this_o age_n afford_v such_o as_o be_v as_o well_o skill_v in_o the_o original_n yea_o letter_n then_o many_o learned_a man_n that_o live_v several_a hundred_o of_o year_n before_o we_o i_o confess_v what_o they_o be_v force_v to_o acknowledge_v some_o thing_n we_o can_v yet_o know_v by_o reason_n of_o those_o difficulty_n no_o more_o can_v the_o church_n for_o above_o 12_o hundred_o year_n ago_o yet_o as_o then_o so_o now_o we_o have_v sufficient_a though_o not_o all_o light_n to_o salvation_n only_o out_o of_o scripture_n because_o we_o can_v understand_v all_o thing_n some_o whereof_o of_o in_o scripture_n s._n peter_n tell_v we_o be_v hard_a to_o be_v understand_v shall_v we_o say_v we_o can_v understand_v nothing_o certain_o why_o shall_v we_o doubt_v our_o saviour_n be_v bear_v of_o the_o virgin_n mary_n more_o than_o that_o we_o understand_v any_o sentence_n we_o hear_v common_o from_o one_o another_o although_o there_o be_v no_o other_o way_n then_o scripture_n to_o know_v it_o we_o make_v no_o doubt_n but_o we_o understand_v a_o place_n of_o plato_n aristotle_n tully_n etc._n etc._n and_o can_v god_n write_v as_o intelligible_o ¶_o 4._o what_o the_o learning_n be_v of_o man_n of_o this_o age_n i_o conceive_v very_o unnecessary_a to_o examine_v especial_o since_o all_o the_o use_v you_o make_v of_o it_o be_v to_o affirm_v confident_o that_o we_o have_v sufficient_a light_n to_o salvation_n only_o out_o of_o scripture_n to_o which_o all_o i_o shall_v return_v be_v that_o so_o critical_a a_o exceptor_n against_o argument_n shall_v not_o himself_o use_v for_o one_o the_o conclusion_n bare_o say_v over_o that_o we_o can_v understand_v nothing_o certain_o be_v not_o mr_n whites_n position_n but_o that_o we_o can_v understand_v enough_o for_o the_o salvation_n of_o mankind_n with_o certainty_n requisite_a to_o that_o effect_n and_o till_o you_o say_v something_o against_o he_o i_o have_v nothing_o to_o say_v against_o you_o why_o we_o shall_v doubt_v of_o our_o saviour_n be_v bear_v of_o the_o virgin_n mary_n i_o know_v not_o and_o be_v there_o no_o other_o reader_n of_o scripture_n but_o such_o as_o you_o and_o i_o perhaps_o none_o will_v but_o if_o any_o do_v as_o i_o think_v helvidius_n do_v and_o you_o have_v no_o other_o mean_n of_o convince_a he_o but_o by_o word_n which_o a_o subtle_a critic_n will_v show_v be_v capable_a of_o other_o sense_n pray_v how_o will_v you_o hinder_v a_o multitude_n with_o who_o a_o opinion_n of_o learning_n and_o holiness_n have_v get_v he_o credit_n from_o follow_v he_o into_o damnation_n of_o the_o parity_n between_o scripture_n and_o aristotle_n writing_n you_o will_v give_v i_o occasion_n to_o speak_v more_o full_o by_o and_o by_o ¶_o 5._o sure_o god_n will_v be_v understand_v by_o all_o see_v he_o command_v all_o not_o only_o to_o read_v his_o law_n but_o to_o write_v it_o upon_o their_o post_n and_o door_n and_o phylactery_n and_o be_v continual_o talk_v of_o those_o thing_n that_o be_v necessary_a for_o salvation_n deut._n 6.7_o and_o by_o his_o apostle_n tell_v we_o that_o he_o intend_v so_o to_o do_v not_o always_o to_o speak_v in_o parable_n john_n 16.25_o 26._o and_o in_o 2_o cor._n 4.2_o 3_o 4._o not_o handle_v the_o word_n of_o god_n deceitful_o but_o by_o manifestation_n of_o the_o truth_n commend_v ourselves_o to_o every_o man_n conscience_n in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n but_o if_o our_o gospel_n be_v hide_v it_o be_v hide_v to_o they_o that_o be_v lose_v in_o who_o the_o god_n of_o this_o world_n have_v blind_v the_o mind_n of_o they_o that_o believe_v not_o lest_o the_o light_n of_o the_o glorious_a gospel_n of_o christ_n who_o be_v the_o image_n of_o god_n shall_v shine_v unto_o they_o prov._n 8.9_o they_o be_v all_o plain_a to_o he_o that_o understand_v and_o right_a to_o they_o that_o find_v knowledge_n but_o what_o more_o plain_a than_o that_o in_o hab._n 2.2_o and_o the_o lord_n answer_v i_o and_o say_v write_v the_o vision_n and_o make_v it_o plain_a upon_o table_n that_o he_o may_v run_v that_o read_v ¶_o 5._o for_o the_o citation_n you_o fill_v the_o next_o paraph_n with_o i_o profess_v i_o be_o at_o a_o loss_n to_o find_v any_o opposition_n in_o they_o to_o what_o i_o be_o maintain_v the_o dialogue_n say_v equivocation_n the_o nature_n of_o the_o original_a tongue_n their_o be_v cease_v etc._n etc._n cause_v a_o uncertainty_n of_o the_o sense_n of_o scripture_n and_o you_o reply_v that_o god_n command_v his_o law_n to_o be_v write_v upon_o post_n door_n and_o philactery_n that_o he_o intend_v to_o speak_v to_o his_o apostle_n without_o parable_n that_o s._n paul_n do_v not_o handle_v the_o word_n of_o god_n deceitful_o that_o the_o word_n of_o wisdom_n be_v plain_a to_o he_o that_o understand_v and_o that_o the_o prophet_n be_v command_v to_o write_v a_o vision_n plain_a do_v any_o of_o this_o or_o all_o prove_v that_o equivocation_n etc._n etc._n bring_v in_o no_o incertainty_n or_o that_o it_o and_o the_o rest_n be_v not_o find_v in_o scripture_n this_o be_v what_o i_o conceive_v
and_o if_o both_o reason_n and_o experience_n do_v not_o convince_v our_o understanding_n that_o by_o this_o assertion_n contention_n be_v increase_v and_o not_o end_v we_o acknowledge_v holy_a scripture_n to_o be_v a_o most_o perfect_a rule_n for_o as_o much_o as_o a_o writing_n can_v be_v a_o rule_n etc._n etc._n will_v you_o stand_v to_o that_o scripture_n be_v a_o most_o perfect_a rule_n as_o any_o rule_n can_v be_v this_o assertion_n will_v soon_o end_v contention_n between_o we_o why_o can_v scripture_n be_v a_o perfect_a rule_n without_o need_n of_o unwritten_a tradition_n to_o end_v controversy_n by_o i_o see_v not_o the_o impossibility_n i_o will_v you_o will_v be_v please_v to_o teach_v i_o all_o that_o the_o apostle_n teach_v and_o deliver_v to_o their_o successor_n be_v all_o truth_n and_o be_v they_o not_o sufficient_a to_o be_v a_o rule_n to_o judge_n by_o whether_o write_v or_o by_o word_n of_o mouth_n i_o think_v all_o those_o truth_n they_o deliver_v be_v a_o sufficient_a rule_n for_o their_o successor_n can_v have_v nothing_o else_o to_o judge_n by_o except_o they_o pretend_v to_o a_o infallible_a spirit_n well_o then_o can_v not_o all_o of_o that_o truth_n be_v write_v which_o be_v deliver_v sure_o yea_o for_o i_o know_v not_o any_o thing_n one_o man_n may_v speak_v to_o another_o by_o word_n of_o mouth_n but_o he_o may_v write_v it_o therefore_o it_o be_v possible_a such_o a_o sufficient_a rule_n may_v be_v make_v i_o prove_v now_o only_o the_o possibility_n and_o if_o it_o may_v his_o assent_n be_v due_a to_o our_o doctrine_n because_o he_o protest_v to_o have_v no_o other_o imaginable_a ground_n that_o can_v avert_v his_o will_n from_o give_v it_o the_o function_n of_o supreme_a and_o sole_a judge_n ¶_o 7._o the_o next_o paraph_n oppose_v a_o pair_n of_o assertion_n which_o since_o i_o know_v not_o who_o they_o be_v i_o hope_v you_o will_v not_o take_v it_o amiss_o if_o i_o do_v not_o engage_v myself_o to_o defend_v it_o be_v well_o if_o i_o can_v preserve_v mr._n white_n himself_o from_o so_o strong_a a_o enemy_n as_o you_o be_v for_o the_o position_n themselves_o i_o conceive_v the_o second_o absolute_o false_a and_o that_o a_o write_n may_v be_v contrive_v with_o much_o more_o perfection_n that_o be_v fitness_n to_o be_v a_o rule_n than_o the_o scripture_n be_v and_o for_o the_o first_o though_o i_o conceive_v it_o true_a as_o the_o case_n stand_v so_o many_o uncertainty_n from_o so_o many_o several_a cause_n unavoidable_o crowd_v into_o the_o writing_n we_o have_v yet_o abstract_o to_o examine_v whether_o a_o writing_n may_v not_o be_v frame_v without_o they_o be_v a_o question_n so_o little_a to_o our_o purpose_n that_o i_o beseech_v you_o give_v i_o leave_v to_o say_v no_o more_o of_o it_o then_o that_o while_o we_o have_v no_o better_a word_n nor_o better_a skill_n in_o order_v they_o then_o yet_o be_v know_v it_o be_v to_o be_v doubt_v no_o one_o book_n will_v be_v exempt_v from_o the_o face_n of_o all_o even_o those_o which_o by_o design_n be_v the_o plain_a as_o law_n which_o no_o industry_n can_v yet_o contrive_v so_o but_o that_o the_o moot-case_n bear_v a_o notable_a proportion_n to_o the_o resolve_v once_o as_o for_o their_o discourse_n it_o be_v agree_v that_o truth_n be_v a_o sufficient_a rule_n to_o judge_v by_o provide_v they_o be_v sufficient_o that_o be_v certain_o know_v to_o be_v truth_n it_o be_v also_o agree_v they_o may_v be_v write_v but_o we_o deny_v the_o sense_n of_o that_o write_n can_v always_o sufficient_o be_v make_v out_o by_o its_o bare_a character_n without_o other_o assistance_n and_o this_o which_o yet_o be_v our_o only_a question_n your_o discourse_n take_v no_o notice_n of_o but_o suppose_v to_o be_v truth_n and_o to_o be_v know_v to_o be_v truth_n be_v the_o same_o thing_n rove_n handsome_o indeed_o but_o yet_o rove_v ¶_o 8._o again_o to_o prove_v scripture_n may_v be_v a_o supreme_a rule_n to_o decide_v all_o necessary_a controversy_n i_o pray_v answer_v i_o whether_o the_o determination_n of_o your_o council_n can_v end_v controversy_n i_o suppose_v you_o affirm_v it_o those_o determination_n be_v print_v by_o you_o to_o be_v read_v by_o all_o and_o be_v such_o a_o rule_n can_v they_o be_v understand_v i_o have_v read_v of_o two_o of_o your_o doctor_n both_o present_a at_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n oppose_v each_o other_o and_o allege_v the_o decree_n against_o each_o other_o so_o that_o your_o determination_n be_v not_o always_o sufficient_a no_o nor_o ever_o can_v they_o be_v if_o what_o you_o affirm_v of_o scripture_n be_v true_a viz._n insufficient_a to_o determine_v for_o suppose_v your_o decree_n most_o plain_a how_o shall_v i_o be_v certain_a this_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o those_o determination_n if_o i_o can_v till_o a_o further_a determination_n come_v out_o to_o explain_v the_o first_o i_o ask_v again_o how_o i_o shall_v be_v certain_a that_o i_o understand_v and_o have_v the_o right_a meaning_n of_o this_o second_o what_o by_o another_o determination_n again_o why_o so_o i_o shall_v be_v query_v in_o infinitum_fw-la and_o never_o be_v sure_a unless_o i_o rest_v in_o some_o one_o determination_n which_o may_v be_v sufficient_o intelligible_a to_o i_o to_o satisfy_v and_o assertain_v i_o of_o the_o truth_n and_o if_o man_n writing_n can_v be_v a_o determination_n and_o sufficient_a rule_n to_o beget_v certain_a truth_n in_o i_o why_o not_o god_n ¶_o 8._o the_o parity_n you_o next_o urge_v betwixt_o scripture_n and_o counsel_n i_o shall_v think_v of_o great_a force_n if_o there_o be_v nothing_o but_o the_o bare_a letter_n in_o both_o but_o in_o the_o former_a the_o word_n be_v the_o only_a interpreter_n of_o the_o sense_n in_o the_o late_a the_o word_n be_v interpret_v by_o the_o sense_n in_o the_o first_o the_o sense_n be_v to_o be_v accommodate_v to_o the_o word_n in_o the_o 2d_o the_o word_n to_o the_o sense_n to_o explicate_v myself_o be_v please_v to_o reflect_v that_o bishop_n go_v into_o council_n go_v not_o to_o find_v out_o a_o faith_n which_o before_o they_o know_v not_o but_o to_o certify_v that_o which_o they_o already_o know_v then_o before_o they_o agree_v upon_o word_n to_o express_v it_o by_o they_o have_v in_o their_o head_n that_o which_o they_o will_v express_v and_o when_o the_o word_n be_v agree_v on_o they_o perfect_o know_v what_o they_o mean_v by_o they_o and_o in_o which_o of_o the_o sense_n if_o they_o be_v capable_a of_o more_o than_o one_o they_o be_v to_o be_v take_v in_o this_o they_o testify_v by_o their_o practice_n when_o they_o be_v out_o of_o council_n and_o so_o leave_v to_o their_o posterity_n not_o only_o a_o rule_n but_o a_o method_n to_o preserve_v it_o from_o be_v wrest_v by_o the_o craft_n and_o perverseness_n of_o their_o adversary_n now_o in_o scripture_n the_o case_n be_v quite_o different_a there_o be_v none_o to_o tell_v you_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o word_n in_o question_n neither_o can_v the_o word_n itself_o help_v you_o for_o it_o be_v of_o it_o you_o doubt_v in_o our_o case_n too_o it_o be_v interpret_v quite_o against_o the_o common_a practice_n and_o therefore_o which_o give_v i_o leave_v to_o hint_n by_o the_o way_n the_o interpreter_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v content_v the_o word_n may_v bear_v his_o sense_n but_o must_v evident_o see_v it_o can_v bear_v no_o other_o for_o he_o that_o leave_v the_o common_a practice_n to_o which_o the_o word_n may_v be_v accommodate_v when_o his_o salvation_n depend_v upon_o the_o choice_n for_o this_o that_o the_o word_n may_v also_o be_v accommodate_v to_o another_o sense_n i_o doubt_n apprehend_v but_o slight_o the_o value_n of_o his_o soul_n and_o what_o it_o be_v to_o be_v eternal_o or_o happy_a or_o miserable_a but_o this_o by_o the_o bye_n the_o print_a determination_n therefore_o of_o council_n bare_o be_v not_o our_o rule_n but_o the_o print_a determination_n understand_v and_o practise_v and_o be_v the_o scripture_n so_o qualify_v i_o know_v not_o what_o condition_n it_o will_v want_v necessary_a to_o a_o rule_n in_o the_o mean_a time_n the_o instance_n of_o the_o tridentine_a doctor_n seem_v to_o be_v as_o much_o against_o you_o as_o a_o thing_n can_v be_v for_o what_o possibility_n of_o certainty_n from_o word_n when_o the_o very_a same_o be_v cite_v in_o behalf_n of_o contradictory_n and_o if_o a_o verbal_a foundation_n be_v find_v weak_a in_o council_n how_o can_v you_o think_v it_o will_v sustain_v a_o build_n of_o scripture_n though_o in_o this_o particular_a case_n the_o accident_n have_v nothing_o of_o wonder_n since_o the_o council_n abstain_v as_o far_o as_o i_o remember_v purposely_o from_o determine_v either_o side_n and_o speak_v abstract_o must_v of_o necessity_n leave_v a_o colour_n for_o both_o and_o a_o latitude_n for_o wit_n
be_v already_o a_o christian_a i_o do_v not_o see_v the_o word_n can_v be_v bring_v to_o bear_v your_o sense_n since_o manifest_o he_o can_v not_o have_v be_v so_o without_o already_o be_v certain_a of_o the_o body_n of_o christianity_n so_o that_o your_o exposition_n make_v the_o evangelist_n very_o wise_o take_v a_o great_a deal_n of_o pain_n in_o write_v a_o book_n to_o inform_v theophilus_n certain_o of_o what_o he_o certain_o know_v before_o mr._n whites_n interpretation_n therefore_o seem_v much_o the_o more_o genuine_a and_o yet_o even_o admit_v you_o i_o can_v as_o i_o say_v before_o imagine_v any_o approach_n to_o our_o difference_n for_o st._n luke_n express_o confine_v his_o design_n to_o the_o instruction_n of_o theophilus_n he_o that_o extend_v it_o to_o more_o act_v manifest_o without_o any_o warrant_n from_o he_o you_o urge_v afterward_o the_o first_o of_o the_o act_n which_o you_o say_v mr._n white_n pass_v over_o as_o commentator_n do_v hard_a place_n true_o your_o severity_n be_v beyond_o what_o i_o have_v ever_o meet_v with_o and_o you_o be_v the_o first_o example_n of_o expect_v a_o man_n shall_v answer_v more_o than_o be_v object_v mr._n white_a be_v speak_v to_o the_o gospel_n and_o these_o word_n be_v in_o the_o act_n and_o yet_o you_o except_v against_o he_o for_o take_v no_o notice_n of_o they_o as_o for_o the_o difficulty_n itself_o since_o those_o word_n can_v be_v take_v in_o their_o proper_a natural_a signification_n st._n john_n plain_o tell_v we_o the_o world_n will_v not_o be_v able_a to_o contain_v the_o book_n which_o may_v be_v write_v i_o do_v not_o see_v any_o ground_n you_o have_v to_o understand_v by_o they_o the_o substance_n of_o christian_a doctrine_n with_o submission_n to_o better_a judgement_n i_o apprehend_v that_o by_o all_o be_v mean_v all_o he_o think_v fit_a to_o communicate_v to_o theophilus_n that_o sense_n seem_v to_o flow_v natural_o from_o the_o place_n compare_v together_o but_o whether_o that_o interpretation_n be_v true_a or_o no_o i_o be_o sure_a nothing_o appear_v why_o a_o man_n shall_v accept_v of_o you_o for_o whereas_o you_o will_v prove_v it_o out_o of_o st._n luke_n exact_a knowledge_n that_o be_v manifest_o nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n every_o body_n see_v it_o follow_v not_o because_o s._n luke_n know_v all_o therefore_o he_o deliver_v all_o and_o for_o the_o quarrel_n against_o mr._n white_n for_o leave_v out_o the_o word_n exact_o beside_o that_o as_o i_o come_v from_o say_v it_o be_v far_o from_o be_v very_o pertinent_a exact_a know_v be_v much_o a_o different_a thing_n from_o exact_a teach_v all_o he_o know_v mr._n white_n put_v in_o stead_n of_o it_o that_o he_o be_v present_a almost_o at_o all_o thing_n etc._n etc._n which_o in_o matter_n of_o fact_n be_v the_o most_o exact_a knowledge_n that_o can_v be_v and_o for_o the_o second_o proof_n that_o otherwise_o he_o can_v not_o say_v he_o have_v deliver_v all_o christ_n do_v or_o teach_v i_o have_v already_o tell_v you_o though_o that_o word_n can_v be_v take_v proper_o to_o signify_v true_o all_o yo●_n do_v it_o wrong_v to_o take_v it_o so_o improper_o as_o you_o do_v the_o substance_n of_o christian_a doctrine_n be_v a_o strange_a english_a of_o the_o latin_a word_n omne_fw-la but_o be_v all_o this_o give_v to_o the_o respect_n of_o the_o person_n which_o suffer_v i_o not_o to_o pass_v by_o any_o thing_n you_o say_v without_o take_v notice_n of_o it_o though_o otherwise_o your_o conclusion_n which_o i_o be_o now_o come_v to_o do_v not_o any_o way_n prejudice_v the_o tenet_n i_o be_o maintain_v to_o contain_v sufficient_a truth_n and_o to_o be_v a_o sufficient_a mean_n to_o salvation_n which_o may_v possible_o be_v true_a in_o respect_n of_o some_o person_n and_o circumstance_n be_v quite_o another_o thing_n then_o to_o decide_v all_o quarrel_n carry_v on_o by_o factious_o litigious_a person_n and_o this_o in_o all_o time_n and_o case_n for_o a_o conclusion_n i_o beseech_v you_o to_o accept_v of_o this_o observation_n that_o a_o serious_a reflection_n on_o what_o you_o do_v yourself_o will_v satisfy_v you_o whether_o party_n truth_n take_v in_o this_o question_n for_o whatever_o force_n custom_n and_o a_o prepossess_v fancy_n have_v on_o your_o word_n to_o make_v they_o maintain_v st._n luke_n gospel_n alone_o sufficient_a nature_n contradict_v they_o so_o powerful_o that_o your_o action_n speak_v the_o clean_a contrary_n and_o plain_o prove_v it_o be_v not_o sufficient_a for_o since_o you_o can_v hold_v that_o a_o sufficient_a mean_n to_o you_o which_o you_o do_v not_o sufficient_o know_v to_o be_v a_o mean_n and_o this_o sufficiency_n of_o the_o gospel_n you_o do_v not_o know_v without_o the_o act_n which_o nature_n force_v you_o to_o rely_v upon_o even_o while_o you_o be_v maintain_v you_o need_v they_o not_o you_o see_v plain_o your_o word_n and_o action_n agree_v not_o and_o that_o while_o you_o will_v by_o the_o former_a persuade_v the_o sufficiency_n of_o the_o gospel_n alone_o the_o late_a unresistable_o convince_v something_o else_o viz._n the_o act_n be_v necessary_a to_o its_o sufficiency_n that_o be_v that_o it_o alone_o be_v not_o sufficient_a sect_n v._o answer_v to_o those_o father_n who_o be_v bring_v for_o the_o sufficiency_n of_o scripture_n my_o next_o argument_n for_o scripture_n sufficiency_n shall_v be_v out_o of_o the_o father_n which_o mr_n white_a p._n 175._o think_v improper_a for_o we_o who_o will_v not_o rely_v on_o their_o authority_n for_o any_o one_o point_n what_o though_o we_o receive_v not_o from_o they_o any_o authoritative_a testimony_n yet_o we_o embrace_v a_o rational_a one_o from_o any_o not_o because_o they_o say_v it_o therefore_o it_o be_v true_a but_o because_o we_o see_v no_o reason_n to_o dis-beleeve_a or_o have_v sufficient_a reason_n to_o believe_v they_o testify_v truth_n as_o a_o judge_n collect_v a_o truth_n from_o witness_n every_o one_o of_o which_o be_v a_o fallible_a man_n yet_o by_o behold_v circumstance_n see_v their_o concurrent_a testimony_n can_v be_v false_a here_o we_o have_v ground_n enough_o to_o believe_v that_o scripture_n be_v a_o sufficient_a rule_n to_o they_o because_o they_o say_v and_o confess_v it_o be_v i_o be_o ready_a to_o believe_v any_o tradition_n as_o well_o as_o the_o bible_n provide_v we_o have_v as_o good_a ground_n to_o believe_v it_o come_v from_o the_o apostle_n as_o i_o have_v of_o the_o bible_n suppose_v it_o be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a argument_n for_o we_o who_o beside_o have_v scripture_n on_o our_o side_n yet_o it_o be_v a_o sufficient_a argument_n against_o you_o who_o pretend_v to_o derive_v your_o religion_n from_o they_o who_o go_v before_o you_o who_o you_o include_v in_o your_o church_n as_o mr_n white_a if_o the_o bible_n have_v once_o that_o authority_n we_o plead_v for_o in_o your_o church_n it_o shall_v have_v it_o still_o the_o contrary_a be_v a_o novelty_n therefore_o i_o must_v count_v your_o doctrine_n false_a till_o you_o have_v solve_v this_o argument_n that_o which_o be_v the_o rule_n must_v be_v but_o scripture_n be_v the_o rule_n ergo_fw-la etc._n etc._n ¶_o 2._o first_o i_o must_v take_v out_o of_o the_o way_n your_o objection_n out_o of_o those_o father_n i_o make_v use_n of_o that_o they_o be_v of_o your_o opinion_n which_o you_o gather_v out_o of_o several_a expression_n of_o they_o as_o that_o of_o austin_n who_o and_n other_o their_o word_n i_o have_v of_o late_o read_v in_o your_o author_n plead_v thus_o your_o cause_n i_o will_v not_o believe_v the_o gospel_n unless_o the_o authority_n etc._n etc._n in_o which_o and_o all_o other_o of_o their_o expression_n we_o must_v understand_v unless_o we_o will_v say_v through_o heat_n of_o dispute_n they_o sometime_o contradict_v their_o own_o sense_n plain_o deliver_v at_o other_o time_n according_a to_o their_o intent_n and_o so_o i_o see_v not_o any_o thing_n that_o make_v against_o we_o as_o that_o mention_v either_o s._n austin_n mean_v the_o church_n of_o all_o age_n or_o that_o present_a in_o which_o he_o live_v if_o that_o precise_o abstract_o without_o consideration_n of_o the_o antiquity_n of_o it_o and_o its_o doctrinal_a succession_n from_o the_o apostle_n his_o doctrine_n have_v be_v nothing_o available_a against_o the_o manichee_n against_o who_o he_o dispute_v for_o they_o may_v have_v allege_v the_o authority_n of_o their_o church_n with_o as_o good_a ground_n against_o he_o therefore_o when_o he_o allege_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n or_o tradition_n to_o be_v a_o sufficient_a proof_n of_o that_o which_o be_v not_o contain_v in_o scripture_n he_o mean_v the_o universal_a tradition_n of_o all_o age_n which_o be_v as_o evident_a as_o that_o of_o scripture_n tradition_n or_o as_o clear_o derive_v from_o the_o apostle_n by_o universal_a tradition_n as_o the_o scripture_n itself_o and_o such_o a_o
you_o accommodate_v the_o outward_a word_n in_o which_o the_o true_a word_n of_o god_n be_v contain_v and_o because_o you_o can_v do_v so_o break_v communion_n with_o we_o because_o we_o prefer_v another_o sense_n which_o the_o word_n also_o agree_v withal_o suitable_a to_o our_o constant_a and_o universal_a practice_n and_o which_o to_o leave_v upon_o no_o better_a inducement_n i_o must_v confess_v i_o know_v not_o how_o to_o excuse_v from_o downright_a madness_n moreover_o some_o of_o our_o controvertist_n lay_v down_o in_o condescendence_n to_o you_o their_o own_o assure_a arm_n tradition_n have_v engage_v with_o you_o at_o your_o own_o weapon_n critical_a handle_n of_o scripture_n of_o who_o endeavour_n i_o be_o content_a almost_o even_a partiality_n itself_o shall_v be_v judge_n be_v very_o confident_a no_o bias_n can_v be_v great_a enough_o to_o draw_v a_o reasonable_a nature_n so_o far_o wide_a of_o truth_n as_o to_o pronounce_v we_o in_o that_o kind_n of_o war_n overcome_z when_o you_o say_v tradition_n have_v not_o end_v controversy_n you_o express_v where_o the_o fault_n lie_v viz._n in_o that_o not_o acknowledge_v they_o it_o be_v unpossible_a that_o judge_n shall_v end_v a_o difference_n who_o sentence_n be_v refuse_v by_o either_o of_o the_o party_n but_o then_o this_o be_v not_o for_o want_v of_o necessary_a quality_n in_o he_o but_o submission_n in_o they_o we_o refuse_v not_o to_o make_v scripture_n sole_a judge_n out_o of_o fear_n it_o shall_v give_v sentence_n against_o we_o we_o know_v its_o sense_n much_o better_a than_o you_o and_o know_v it_o be_v for_o we_o and_o if_o you_o think_v you_o can_v convince_v we_o by_o it_o do_v it_o we_o both_o must_v and_o will_v submit_v but_o out_o of_o fear_n by_o it_o be_v not_o give_v sentence_n at_o all_o our_o dissension_n shall_v never_o come_v to_o a_o end_n we_o earnest_o long_v to_o see_v all_o the_o sheep_n of_o christ_n quiet_o seed_v again_o in_o one_o fold_n and_o that_o unhappy_a wall_n of_o division_n which_o so_o long_o have_v separate_v they_o batter_v down_o and_o because_o we_o do_v so_o can_v but_o testify_v scripture_n be_v no_o fit_a engine_n to_o do_v it_o it_o be_v to_o we_o she_o be_v give_v not_o to_o you_o and_o we_o know_v her_o efficacy_n be_v more_o in_o time_n of_o peace_n than_o war_n that_o she_o be_v more_o proper_a to_o increase_v charity_n then_o beget_v faith_n and_o that_o be_v principal_o intend_v to_o sanctify_v the_o faithful_a she_o do_v ordinary_o require_v they_o shall_v first_o be_v faithful_a that_o they_o may_v afterward_o be_v sanctify_v have_v you_o the_o same_o disposition_n to_o peace_n you_o will_v either_o effectual_o show_v the_o scripture_n a_o sit_v judge_n to_o decide_v controversy_n critical_o and_o froward_o handle_v or_o appeal_v to_o some_o other_o for_o he_o that_o pretend_v a_o desire_n of_o a_o end_n in_o order_n to_o which_o he_o will_v obstinate_o believe_v those_o to_o be_v mean_n which_o both_o from_o reason_n and_o experience_n he_o may_v learn_v to_o be_v none_o and_o will_v not_o be_v bring_v to_o use_v other_o be_v convince_v to_o do_v no_o more_o then_o bare_o pretend_v it_o ¶_o 2._o reason_n in_o thing_n that_o depend_v upon_o it_o be_v often_o a_o sufficient_a rule_n yet_o many_o can_v be_v bring_v to_o a_o agreement_n by_o it_o even_o in_o thing_n which_o be_v evident_a &_o by_o other_o demonstrate_v shall_v we_o then_o think_v it_o sufficient_a to_o disprove_v it_o a_o rule_n because_o some_o yea_o many_o be_v not_o make_v to_o accord_v with_o it_o mr._n white_a p._n 153._o grant_n the_o jew_n may_v have_v be_v though_o they_o be_v not_o lead_v to_o christ_n and_o salvation_n by_o scripture_n if_o they_o have_v interpret_v it_o with_o charity_n and_o humility_n and_o p._n 110._o however_o the_o mark_n of_o the_o church_n be_v apparent_a enough_o in_o scripture_n if_o there_o want_v not_o will_n in_o the_o seeker_n to_o acknowledge_v they_o if_o this_o be_v not_o to_o contradict_v himself_o i_o know_v not_o what_o be_v to_o ill-disposed_a or_o undisposed_a refractory_a mind_n nothing_o be_v sufficient_a i_o see_v a_o monstrous_a difficulty_n for_o you_o to_o understand_v scripture_n aright_o who_o be_v resolve_v to_o make_v no_o other_o sense_n than_o what_o agree_v with_o your_o suppose_a tradition_n ¶_o 2._o that_o which_o i_o conceive_v to_o be_v the_o drift_n of_o this_o paragraph_n viz._n that_o it_o be_v perhaps_o more_o often_o the_o fault_n of_o the_o party_n then_o of_o the_o judge_n that_o difference_n be_v keep_v alive_a be_v certain_o true_a but_o you_o apply_v it_o not_o neither_o as_o we_o think_v can_v you_o do_v it_o with_o any_o appearance_n to_o conclude_v we_o be_v in_o fault_n that_o bound_v ourselves_o even_o in_o this_o kind_n of_o trial_n to_o much_o strict_a condition_n than_o you_o will_v be_v bring_v to_o do_v for_o beside_o the_o reverence_n we_o bear_v the_o scripture_n even_o to_o a_o absolute_a submission_n to_o whatever_o it_o say_v than_o which_o you_o neither_o do_v nor_o can_v do_v more_o we_o also_o bring_v you_o a_o book_n which_o we_o so_o acknowledge_v to_o be_v scripture_n that_o in_o disputation_n we_o refuse_v it_o not_o will_v you_o do_v so_o much_o perhaps_o more_o good_a may_v be_v do_v then_o be_v mean_v time_n this_o be_v certain_a that_o more_o can_v be_v require_v of_o we_o next_o you_o pretend_v a_o contradiction_n from_o two_o place_n which_o you_o cite_v and_o i_o can_v tell_v whether_o you_o mean_v those_o place_n contradict_v one_o another_o which_o nevertheless_o seem_v to_o say_v the_o same_o thing_n or_o that_o both_o those_o place_n contradict_v the_o former_a doctrine_n now_o that_o assert_n two_o thing_n 1._o that_o scripture_n do_v not_o speak_v plain_a enough_o to_o convince_v a_o wrangle_a critic_n 2._o that_o it_o do_v speak_v plain_a enough_o to_o satisfy_v a_o humble_a and_o charitable_a reader_n in_o which_o if_o you_o see_v any_o contradiction_n you_o see_v not_o only_o what_o i_o can_v but_o what_o i_o conceive_v be_v not_o there_o to_o be_v see_v ¶_o 3._o page_n 137._o mr._n white_a seem_v to_o grant_v what_o i_o can_v tell_v how_o he_o can_v deny_v that_o the_o scripture_n be_v as_o well_o able_a to_o make_v we_o understand_v its_o meaning_n as_o plato_n or_o aristotle_n they_o but_o the_o supposition_n where_o all_o the_o venom_n lie_v be_v conceal_v as_o he_o be_v please_v to_o phrase_n it_o so_o the_o scripture_n be_v write_v of_o those_o controversy_n which_o since_o be_v rise_v i_o see_v no_o danger_n in_o this_o poison_n right_o understand_v god_n deliver_v those_o thing_n in_o scripture_n which_o be_v sufficient_a for_o salvation_n speak_v so_o that_o he_o may_v be_v as_o well_o understand_v as_o plato_n aristotle_n etc._n etc._n in_o their_o write_n than_o the_o reader_n of_o holy_a writ_n that_o come_v to_o it_o as_o page_z 153._o the_o jew_n shall_v have_v do_v with_o charity_n and_o humility_n which_o will_v actual_o have_v bring_v they_o to_o the_o truth_n may_v have_v the_o true_a meaning_n of_o god_n word_n as_o to_o the_o point_n of_o faith_n and_o practice_n now_o have_v the_o truth_n can_v he_o see_v that_o error_n which_o shall_v afterwards_o arise_v to_o be_v falsehood_n because_o it_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o truth_n which_o he_o have_v out_o of_o scripture_n linea_fw-la recta_fw-la est_fw-la judex_n svi_fw-la &_o obliqui_fw-la but_o strange_a opinion_n may_v spring_v up_o which_o can_v neither_o be_v prove_v nor_o disprove_v satisfactory_o by_o scripture_n nor_o be_v it_o necessary_a all_o possible_a controversy_n shall_v be_v determinable_a i_o do_v not_o think_v you_o pretend_v to_o this_o kind_n of_o omniscience_n by_o your_o tradition_n i_o pray_v tell_v i_o how_o do_v your_o church_n confute_v new_a error_n which_o be_v not_o start_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n by_o think_v only_o that_o they_o be_v false_a or_o by_o look_v upon_o those_o truth_n which_o it_o pretend_v the_o apostle_n at_o first_o deliver_v before_o those_o error_n come_v up_o which_o it_o see_v be_v contrary_a to_o those_o receive_a truth_n unless_o you_o pretend_v to_o new_a revelation_n to_o discover_v new_a error_n by_o and_o what_o poison_n be_v there_o in_o make_v write_v truth_n the_o straight_a rule_n to_o measure_v future_a inormity_n by_o more_o than_o to_o make_v unwritten_a truth_n serve_v for_o that_o end_n ¶_o 3._o the_o next_o paragraph_n insist_o upon_o the_o parity_n betwixt_o scripture_n and_o the_o writing_n of_o plato_n or_o aristotle_n touch_v which_o what_o you_o say_v mr._n white_n seem_v to_o grant_v that_o the_o one_o be_v as_o well_o able_a to_o make_v we_o understand_v its_o meaning_n as_o the_o other_o i_o must_v tell_v you_o do_v but_o seem_v so_o and_o it_o be_v a_o wonder_n to_o i_o you_o observe_v it_o not_o the_o very_a next_o
page_n but_o one_o to_o that_o you_o cite_v be_v employ_v in_o show_v the_o way_n of_o write_v use_v by_o aristotle_n have_v a_o great_a advantage_n towards_o be_v understand_v over_o that_o of_o the_o bible_n but_o he_o deny_v not_o but_o both_o may_v be_v understand_v and_o that_o stuff_v you_o weave_v into_o this_o conclusion_n that_o a_o reader_n of_o scripture_n may_v come_v to_o the_o truth_n and_o by_o it_o judge_v arise_v error_n pray_v what_o be_v this_o against_o mr._n white_n because_o he_o may_v arrive_v at_o truth_n shall_v he_o therefore_o be_v fix_v there_o with_o that_o constancy_n that_o no_o subtlety_n can_v stagger_v he_o shall_v his_o humility_n and_o charity_n which_o introduce_v he_o provide_v he_o too_o with_o arm_n to_o maintain_v the_o place_n and_o defend_v it_o against_o the_o assault_n of_o wit_n and_o malice_n league_v together_o i_o see_v no_o glimmer_n of_o such_o a_o consequence_n which_o nevertheless_o shall_v have_v be_v you_o for_o till_o you_o be_v there_o your_o journey_n end_n be_v still_o before_o you_o beside_o your_o foundation_n that_o all_o thing_n sufficient_a for_o salvation_n be_v deliver_v in_o scripture_n mean_v the_o salvation_n of_o mankind_n be_v not_o firm_a especial_o make_v as_o you_o do_v afterward_o every_o one_o of_o the_o gospel_n to_o contain_v a_o perfect_a sum_n of_o what_o be_v necessary_a to_o be_v believe_v and_o practise_v for_o some_o thing_n and_o those_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n be_v believe_v mere_o upon_o the_o account_n of_o tradition_n as_o the_o scripture_n itself_o &c._n &c._n those_o strange_a opinion_n too_o which_o you_o say_v may_v spring_v up_o may_v perhaps_o concern_v thing_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n which_o if_o they_o can_v neither_o be_v prove_v nor_o disprove_v satisfactory_o by_o scripture_n plain_o there_o be_v not_o by_o your_o method_n any_o satisfaction_n leave_v we_o in_o thing_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o for_o what_o you_o urge_v last_o that_o write_v truth_n may_v be_v as_o straight_o a_o rule_n as_o unwritten_a one_o it_o be_v true_a provide_v they_o be_v agree_v on_o to_o be_v truth_n but_o the_o question_n be_v not_o whither_o write_v truth_n will_v convince_v a_o rise_a error_n but_o whether_o write_a word_n will_v so_o convince_v the_o truth_n they_o contain_v to_o whoever_o rise_v up_o in_o error_n against_o they_o that_o no_o artifice_n shall_v be_v able_a to_o pervert_v their_o fidelity_n and_o introduce_v another_o sense_n into_o the_o same_o sound_n a_o instance_n may_v make_v the_o thing_n clear_a let_v the_o church_n before_o arius_n have_v have_v no_o better_a weapon_n to_o defend_v her_o faith_n of_o the_o consubstantiality_n of_o the_o father_n and_o son_n than_o these_o and_o the_o like_a word_n ego_fw-la &_o pater_fw-la unum_fw-la sumus_fw-la and_o you_o will_v make_v i_o much_o wise_a than_o i_o be_o if_o you_o render_v it_o possible_a she_o shall_v preserve_v herself_o from_o be_v overcome_v by_o the_o craft_n of_o that_o heretic_n who_o will_v have_v prove_v at_o least_o plausible_o as_o heretic_n use_v to_o do_v by_o the_o rule_n of_o confer_v one_o place_n with_o another_o that_o those_o word_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o a_o unity_n of_o substance_n since_o our_o saviour_n elsewhere_o pray_v his_o apostle_n may_v be_v one_o as_o his_o father_n and_o he_o be_v one_o which_o evident_o contradict_v a_o substantial_a unity_n the_o former_a word_n ought_v to_o yield_v to_o these_o plain_a one_o pater_fw-la major_a i_o est_fw-la it_o be_v not_o then_o by_o those_o word_n but_o by_o the_o sense_n of_o they_o so_o firm_o root_v in_o her_o practice_n that_o neither_o the_o wit_n nor_o power_n of_o arius_n join_v with_o a_o perverse_a and_o last_a obstinacy_n can_v shake_v it_o that_o she_o decide_v the_o controversy_n and_o transmit_v sound_a doctrine_n to_o her_o posterity_n she_o see_v his_o interpretation_n contradict_v her_o sense_n deliver_v by_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n and_o continue_v by_o tradition_n but_o no_o body_n can_v see_v it_o contradict_v the_o word_n which_o his_o wit_n make_v as_o favourable_a to_o he_o as_o she_o by_o which_o very_a same_o method_n to_o answer_v your_o question_n in_o your_o own_o word_n i_o conceive_v the_o church_n will_v at_o this_o day_n confute_v new_a error_n viz_o by_o look_v upon_o the_o truth_n first_o deliver_v by_o the_o apostle_n and_o since_o preserve_v by_o her_o practice_n not_o the_o word_n in_o which_o they_o be_v deliver_v to_o sum_v up_o your_o paraph_n therefore_o in_o short_a it_o be_v true_a that_o n1_fw-la recta_fw-la est_fw-la judex_fw-la svi_fw-la &_o obliqui_fw-la it_o be_v true_a that_o truth_n be_v linea_fw-la recta_fw-la t●_n it_o be_v true_a also_o that_o the_o reader_n due_o qualify_v may_v by_o due_a read_v scripture_n come_v to_o truth_n but_o that_o this_o truth_n will_v be_v enough_o to_o serve_v all_o the_o exigency_n of_o all_o mankind_n in_o all_o circumstance_n or_o that_o what_o satisfy_v his_o sincerity_n and_o diligence_n will_v be_v able_a to_o satisfy_v all_o manner_n of_o peevishness_n and_o obstinacy_n be_v two_o position_n which_o i_o see_v you_o have_v not_o and_o think_v you_o can_v prove_v there_o be_v no_o doubt_n but_o truth_n ought_v to_o judge_v which_o be_v the_o thing_n you_o do_v say_v but_o if_o there_o be_v a_o doubt_n which_o be_v truth_n i_o conceive_v bare_a word_n which_o be_v perhaps_o sufficient_a to_o discover_v she_o to_o charity_n and_o humility_n will_v not_o be_v able_a to_o convince_v she_o against_o malicious_a craft_n and_o pride_n which_o be_v what_o you_o shall_v but_o do_v not_o prove_v ¶_o 4._o if_o word_n will_v affright_v a_o man_n mr._n white_n do_v it_o by_o search_n after_o evidence_n of_o argument_n in_o the_o same_o page_n 137._o he_o require_v any_o one_o book_n in_o the_o whole_a bible_n who_o theme_n be_v now_o controvert_v he_o mention_n s._n john_n gospel_n which_o be_v to_o show_v the_o godhead_n of_o christ_n but_o that_o be_v not_o so_o direct_o say_v he_o his_o theme_n as_o the_o miraculous_a life_n of_o our_o saviour_n from_o whence_o his_o divinity_n be_v to_o be_v deduce_v and_o page_n 153._o john_n intend_v only_o such_o particular_n as_o prove_v that_o christ_n be_v god_n in_o which_o late_a expression_n if_o he_o do_v not_o seem_v as_o to_o i_o he_o do_v to_o contradict_v his_o former_a the_o former_a make_v s._n john_n intent_n a_o history_n the_o latter_a a_o discourse_n only_o as_o his_o word_n be_v of_o a_o controversal_a truth_n ¶_o 4._o the_o contradiction_n you_o glance_n at_o here_o will_v not_o even_o with_o your_o assistance_n so_o much_o as_o seem_v such_o to_o any_o diligence_n of_o i_o and_o since_o i_o can_v overcome_v it_o i_o must_v beseech_v you_o to_o pardon_v that_o dulness_n which_o will_v let_v i_o see_v but_o one_o sense_n in_o these_o two_o expression_n viz._n s._n john_n write_v the_o miraculous_a life_n of_o our_o saviour_n so_o as_o his_o divinity_n may_v be_v deduce_v from_o it_o and_o s._n john_n in_o his_o history_n specify_v such_o particular_n as_o prove_v the_o divinity_n of_o our_o saviour_n ¶_o 5._o yet_o this_o he_o clear_o say_v s._n john_n make_v a_o antidote_n against_o that_o error_n than_o beginning_n yet_o as_o he_o the_o design_n so_o unsuccessful_a that_o never_o any_o heresy_n be_v more_o powerful_a then_o that_o which_o oppose_v the_o truth_n intend_v by_o his_o book_n whence_o he_o seem_v to_o infer_v scripture_n no_o sufficient_a rule_n to_o decide_v because_o the_o arian_n be_v not_o silence_v by_o it_o i_o demand_v why_o the_o arian_n be_v not_o convince_v by_o that_o book_n write_v on_o purpose_n to_o oppose_v that_o error_n which_o they_o hold_v by_o a_o very_a large_a discover_v the_o contrary_a truth_n be_v it_o because_o there_o be_v not_o evidence_n enough_o of_o that_o truth_n which_o s._n john_n only_o intend_v in_o his_o whole_a book_n sure_o you_o must_v say_v so_o and_o then_o i_o pray_v consider_v what_o you_o say_v whether_o it_o be_v not_o impute_v weakness_n to_o s._n john_n or_o to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n write_v by_o he_o quod_fw-la horrendum_fw-la that_o he_o shall_v set_v himself_o to_o write_v a_o whole_a book_n in_o which_o as_o mr_n whites_n word_n be_v he_o intend_v only_o such_o particular_n as_o prove_v that_o christ_n be_v god_n and_o yet_o not_o prove_v it_o sufficient_o if_o s._n john_n do_v prove_v it_o sufficient_o why_o be_v not_o the_o arian_n convince_v by_o it_o sure_o the_o fault_n be_v not_o in_o the_o want_n of_o evidence_n of_o those_o miraculous_a action_n which_o our_o saviour_n say_v prove_v he_o to_o be_v the_o son_n of_o god_n and_o one_o with_o the_o father_n but_o in_o their_o will_n i_o say_v it_o be_v their_o own_o fault_n so_o then_o notwithstanding_o all_o mr_n white_n have_v say_v i_o
the_o place_n do_v not_o so_o much_o as_o offer_v any_o likelihood_n of_o assert_v nay_o i_o see_v not_o how_o the_o apostle_n can_v without_o manifest_a violence_n to_o the_o text_n be_v make_v to_o mean_v more_o than_o the_o one_o point_n he_o express_v and_o the_o fruit_n result_v from_o it_o for_o certain_o it_o be_v not_o to_o expound_v but_o wrest_v a_o text_n when_o the_o same_o word_n be_v repeat_v in_o the_o same_o period_n wilful_o to_o give_v it_o one_o sense_n in_o the_o former_a another_o in_o the_o late_a place_n which_o yet_o be_v the_o case_n here_o for_o in_o the_o first_o part_n of_o the_o period_n the_o word_n believe_v be_v so_o restrain_v by_o the_o apostle_n that_o it_o can_v without_o unpardonable_a guilt_n be_v doubt_v what_o it_o be_v he_o mean_v shall_v be_v believe_v when_o he_o plain_o tell_v we_o it_o be_v this_o that_o jesus_n be_v christ_n the_o son_n of_o god_n and_o the_o word_n believe_v present_o follow_v in_o the_o same_o context_n and_o link_v to_o the_o former_a with_o a_o conjunction_n sincerity_n can_v imagine_v it_o shall_v be_v mean_v of_o any_o other_o belief_n than_o that_o which_o so_o immediate_o before_o be_v plain_o express_v that_o to_o repeat_v it_o have_v be_v tautology_n if_o word_n therefore_o can_v make_v any_o thing_n clear_a i_o see_v not_o what_o place_n of_o doubt_n there_o be_v leave_v but_o that_o this_o be_v the_o apostle_n meaning_n that_o the_o book_n be_v write_v to_o the_o end_n we_o may_v believe_v the_o divinity_n of_o the_o son_n and_z by_o that_o belief_n have_v life_n as_o much_o as_o depend_v upon_o that_o one_o point_n which_o be_v the_o foundation_n of_o all_o our_o faith_n may_v perhaps_o be_v therefore_o say_v to_o give_v we_o life_n because_o whatever_o contribute_v to_o our_o life_n have_v dependence_n on_o it_o for_o if_o christ_n be_v no_o son_n of_o god_n than_o no_o sufficient_a teacher_n of_o mankind_n and_o if_o no_o sufficient_a teacher_n than_o nothing_o sufficient_o teach_v though_o otherwise_o sure_a life_n be_v not_o promise_v more_o express_o to_o this_o faith_n than_o salvation_n to_o eat_v his_o flesh_n which_o nevertheless_o i_o believe_v you_o will_v not_o say_v be_v enough_o to_o salvation_n and_o consequent_o shall_v not_o that_o this_o be_v enough_o to_o life_n what_o you_o say_v in_o the_o last_o place_n that_o the_o word_n do_v not_o show_v it_o st._n john_n chief_a design_n to_o prove_v christ_n the_o consubstantial_a son_n of_o god_n how_o do_v you_o prove_v the_o word_n christ_n which_o be_v all_o the_o text_n have_v more_o than_o what_o mr._n white_a cite_v alter_v not_o the_o case_n these_o two_o expression_n that_o jesus_n be_v the_o son_n of_o god_n and_o that_o he_o be_v christ_n the_o son_n of_o god_n not_o have_v any_o considerable_a difference_n since_o nothing_o be_v more_o evident_a then_o that_o he_o that_o believe_v he_o to_o be_v christ_n the_o son_n of_o god_n believe_v he_o to_o be_v the_o son_n of_o god_n but_o i_o apprehend_v all_o this_o business_n to_o be_v nothing_o but_o the_o confusion_n raise_v in_o our_o thought_n by_o the_o equivocation_n of_o the_o word_n end_n which_o may_v either_o signify_v what_o s._n john_n intend_v to_o do_v when_o he_o set_v himself_o to_o write_v that_o book_n which_o i_o conceive_v be_v to_o show_v the_o consubstantiality_n of_o the_o son_n or_o else_o what_o fruit_n he_o design_v from_o it_o after_o it_o be_v write_v and_o this_o seem_v to_o be_v the_o life_n of_o his_o reader_n ¶_o 3._o they_o to_o who_o he_o write_v own_a christ_n as_o the_o saviour_n yet_o he_o write_v to_o they_o that_o they_o may_v have_v full_a knowledge_n and_o a_o stand_a monument_n to_o preserve_v that_o knowledge_n but_o beside_o that_o mr_n white_n have_v no_o ground_n for_o that_o fancy_n s._n john_n design_n be_v only_o to_o specify_v such_o particular_n as_o prove_v christ_n deity_n i_o think_v it_o a_o unanswerable_a argument_n to_o show_v from_o one_o chapter_n another_o of_o the_o gospel_n how_o many_o particular_n there_o be_v that_o be_v nothing_o at_o all_o to_o this_o only_a purpose_n of_o s._n john_n yea_o more_o particular_n that_o do_v no_o way_n prove_v it_o then_o that_o do_v as_o any_o one_o may_v see_v that_o read_v over_o the_o gospel_n i_o wonder_v then_o how_o mr_n white_a can_v shift_v off_o the_o place_n by_o this_o groundless_a false_a assertion_n if_o it_o be_v as_o to_o i_o it_o be_v evident_a then_o s._n john_n make_v here_o as_o it_o be_v manifest_a a_o recapitulation_n of_o all_o those_o doctrine_n and_o precept_n in_o his_o gospel_n conclude_v from_o all_o show_v we_o that_o his_o book_n be_v a_o sufficient_a rule_n to_o salvation_n in_o all_o thing_n absolute_o necessary_a the_o expression_n that_o believe_v that_o jesus_n be_v the_o christ_n the_o son_n of_o god_n must_v needs_o be_v understand_v as_o ordinary_o it_o be_v throughout_o the_o scripture_n he_o that_o believe_v shall_v be_v save_v etc._n etc._n not_o of_o a_o naked_a assent_n of_o the_o understanding_n but_o of_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o will_v too_o as_o the_o same_o s._n john_n himself_o c._n 1.12_o as_o many_o as_o receive_v he_o to_o they_o he_o give_v power_n to_o become_v the_o son_n of_o god_n and_o now_o expound_v that_o receive_n of_o christ_n for_o 〈◊〉_d and_o saviour_n add_v to_o they_o that_o believe_v in_o his_o name_n for_o this_o capital_a truth_n or_o act_n be_v big_a with_o or_o virtual_o contain_v all_o the_o rest_n s_o john_n have_v deliver_v in_o his_o gospel_n it_o be_v improper_a for_o s._n john_n be_v to_o comprise_v all_o in_o few_o word_n in_o this_o conclusion_n to_o particularize_v all_o that_o be_v to_o write_v over_o the_o gospel_n again_o beside_o its_o know_a verba_fw-la intellectus_fw-la denotant_fw-la affectus_fw-la else_o neither_o this_o nor_o many_o other_o expression_n of_o the_o like_a nature_n in_o scripture_n can_v be_v true_a see_v bare_a assent_v as_o devil_n do_v save_v not_o ¶_o 3._o whether_o mr_n white_n have_v any_o ground_n for_o what_o you_o call_v his_o fancy_n i_o be_o so_o confident_a of_o your_o sincerity_n that_o i_o dare_v appeal_n to_o your_o second_o thought_n if_o you_o please_v to_o reflect_v the_o word_n only_o which_o you_o insist_v upon_o seem_v not_o more_o severe_o use_v by_o mr_n white_a then_o to_o signify_v chief_o or_o principal_o which_o may_v well_o consist_v with_o many_o perhaps_o the_o great_a number_n of_o other_o particularity_n as_o sir_n kenelm_n digby_n book_n be_v intend_v only_o to_o prove_v the_o immortality_n of_o the_o soul_n and_o yet_o far_o the_o great_a part_n be_v spend_v in_o the_o consideration_n of_o body_n and_o yet_o true_o i_o believe_v tha●_n be_v s._n john_n book_n examine_v from_o chapter_n to_o chapter_n little_o will_v be_v find_v but_o what_o do_v either_o direct_o prove_v our_o saviour_n divinity_n or_o be_v subordinate_a to_o that_o end_n some_o accidental_n except_v which_o the_o nature_n of_o such_o discourse_n require_v shall_v be_v weave_v in_o and_o which_o hinder_v not_o but_o that_o the_o other_o be_v the_o only_a design_n to_o proceed_v i_o must_v take_v leave_n to_o wonder_v in_o my_o turn_n you_o persist_v to_o call_v mr_n whites_n answer_v a_o shift_n false_a and_o groundless_a and_o say_v no_o more_o than_o you_o do_v to_o make_v it_o appear_v so_o what_o you_o next_o affirm_v to_o be_v evident_a and_o manifest_a that_o s._n john_n make_v here_o a_o recapitulation_n of_o all_o those_o doctrine_n and_o and_o precept_n in_o his_o gospel_n conclude_v from_o all_o show_v we_o that_o his_o book_n be_v a_o sufficient_a rule_n to_o salvation_n in_o all_o thing_n absolute_o necessary_a if_o i_o understand_v what_o it_o be_v to_o recapitulate_v and_o to_o conclude_v be_v evident_o neither_o manifest_a nor_o true_a for_o what_o word_n be_v there_o that_o can_v bear_v the_o sense_n of_o recapitulate_v and_o conclude_v in_o these_o short_a period_n many_o other_o thing_n here_o be_v which_o i_o have_v not_o write_v but_o those_o i_o have_v i_o write_v to_o the_o end_n etc._n etc._n to_o recapitulate_v signify_v to_o sum_v up_o the_o chief_a head_n of_o what_o be_v say_v before_o and_o to_o conclude_v be_v to_o gather_v something_o from_o other_o that_o go_v before_o and_o here_o be_v neither_o head_n nor_o premise_n but_o a_o bare_a historical_a narration_n inform_v we_o what_o the_o apostle_n do_v and_o why_o which_o differ_v as_o much_o from_o recapitulate_v and_o conclude_v as_o history_n do_v from_o logic_n but_o what_o be_v of_o more_o importance_n how_o come_v you_o to_o be_v so_o clear_a sight_v as_o where_o none_o else_o can_v perceive_v any_o conclusion_n at_o all_o to_o discover_v this_o that_o his_o book_n be_v a_o sufficient_a rule_n to_o salvation_n in_o all_o thing_n necessary_a
ejus_fw-la verbis_fw-la obtemperavit_fw-la i_o can_v gather_v one_o syllable_n hence_o nor_o from_o any_o other_o place_n for_o mr_n white_a unless_o there_o be_v a_o proof_n it_o be_v but_o sophistry_n and_o a_o sign_n of_o a_o desperate_a cause_n it_o be_v likely_a be_v it_o not_o that_o grave_a wise_a assembly_n that_o come_v to_o confute_v a_o obstinate_a adversary_n will_v make_v use_n of_o a_o lesbian_a rule_n if_o they_o do_v not_o count_v it_o sufficient_a and_o the_o chief_a which_o their_o adversary_n will_v make_v nothing_o of_o as_o long_o as_o one_o place_n can_v explicate_v a_o hundred_o oppose_v so_o mr._n white_a speak_v ¶_o 7._o yet_o it_o be_v plain_a they_o do_v make_v use_n of_o this_o rule_n and_o do_v conclude_v by_o it_o that_o same_o truth_n which_o they_o have_v before_o that_o learn_v out_o of_o it_o as_o eusebius_n in_o his_o epistle_n to_o his_o own_o people_n confess_v socr._n l._n 1._o c._n 5._o yea_o stick_v and_o keep_v to_o scripture-expression_n in_o the_o form_n of_o their_o determination_n as_o much_o as_o they_o can_v which_o mr._n white_a himself_o call_v a_o good_a way_n to_o govern_v their_o expression_n by_o and_o therefore_o i_o can_v imagine_v the_o possibility_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o his_o word_n p._n 98._o that_o the_o council_n at_o last_o be_v force_v to_o conclude_v out_o of_o tradition_n he_o bring_v theodoret_n to_o prove_v it_o but_o name_v not_o the_o place_n where_o i_o have_v read_v all_o i_o can_v imagine_v shall_v show_v it_o but_o find_v not_o one_o word_n a_o necessity_n say_v he_o which_o the_o rule_n of_o saint_n irenaeus_n etc._n etc._n justify_v i_o have_v not_o the_o other_o be_v mention_n without_o cite_v the_o place_n as_o for_o irenaeus_n i_o be_o sure_a it_o be_v false_a he_o have_v no_o such_o rule_n in_o his_o whole_a book_n the_o only_a place_n in_o he_o that_o glance_v at_o it_o be_v not_o a_o proof_n i_o speak_v of_o it_o elsewhere_o if_o it_o be_v it_o will_v prove_v irenaeus_n a_o egregious_a fool_n to_o spend_v above_o 600_o page_n to_o no_o purpose_n in_o scripture-argument_n and_o then_o in_o one_o page_n do_v all_o the_o work_n by_o your_o imaginary_a only_a argument_n i_o expect_v a_o better_a solution_n or_o a_o deserve_a consent_n to_o the_o contrary_a truth_n ¶_o 8._o mr._n white_a p._n 95._o seem_v to_o make_v the_o bishop_n to_o set_v upon_o this_o resolution_n of_o their_o own_o accord_n if_o that_o be_v true_a also_o than_o both_o bishop_n and_o people_n be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n his_o word_n be_v but_o the_o same_o bishop_n consent_v to_o excommunicate_v the_o contradicter_n to_o hinder_v man_n from_o unwritten_a word_n and_o be_v not_o that_o a_o proper_a and_o prudent_a remedy_n to_o prevent_v the_o inconvenience_n that_o easy_o arise_v from_o confusion_n and_o incertainty_n of_o language_n when_o every_o one_o phrase_n the_o mystery_n according_a to_o his_o private_a fancy_n and_o be_v not_o all_o your_o tradition_n which_o you_o say_v depend_v not_o upon_o word_n subject_a to_o these_o inconvenience_n pray_v tell_v i_o ingenuous_o and_o govern_v not_o his_o term_n by_o some_o constant_a and_o steadie_a rule_n and_o the_o write_n of_o the_o apostle_n or_o ancient_a father_n what_o now_o do_v mr._n white_n turn_v his_o tale_n and_o call_v scripture_n a_o constant_a steadie_a rule_n which_o before_o he_o make_v a_o nose_n of_o wax_n ¶_o 5_o 6_o 7_o 8._o there_o follow_v a_o citation_n from_o a_o council_n out_o of_o socrates_n which_o to_o a_o person_n dispose_v to_o make_v use_n of_o it_o afford_v a_o fair_a advantage_n but_o as_o my_o aim_n be_v your_o service_n not_o victory_n i_o shall_v only_o desire_v you_o to_o reflect_v they_o be_v heretic_n who_o by_o the_o artifice_n of_o that_o pretence_n seek_v to_o draw_v the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n to_o subscribe_v a_o new_a form_n of_o faith_n in_o prejudice_n of_o what_o have_v former_o be_v establish_v at_o nice_a a_o sleight_n which_o the_o catholic_n reject_v with_o this_o answer_n we_o come_v not_o hither_o as_o though_o we_o want_v faith_n and_o belief_n for_o we_o retain_v that_o faith_n which_o we_o have_v learn_v from_o the_o beginning_n but_o we_o be_v come_v to_o withstand_v novelty_n if_o those_o thing_n which_o you_o have_v now_o read_v neither_o savour_n nor_o tend_v to_o the_o establish_n of_o novelty_n accurse_v and_o renounce_v the_o heresy_n of_o arius_n in_o such_o wise_a as_o the_o old_a and_o ancient_a canon_n of_o the_o church_n have_v banish_v all_o heretical_a and_o blasphemous_a doctrine_n now_o consider_v if_o you_o please_v who_o they_o be_v that_o pretend_a scripture_n who_o they_o that_o reject_v it_o and_o adhere_v constant_o to_o what_o they_o have_v learn_v from_o the_o beginning_n and_o observe_v which_o party_n your_o position_n take_v and_o which_o mine_n next_o be_v a_o expression_n of_o constantine_n in_o his_o oration_n to_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a insist_v upon_o to_o my_o no_o small_a wonder_n through_o 4._o paragraph_n for_o how_o come_v it_o that_o a_o man_n breed_v up_o whole_o to_o the_o art_n of_o war_n and_o government_n and_o so_o late_o become_v a_o christian_n that_o he_o want_v even_o time_n have_v his_o other_o employment_n be_v no_o obstacle_n to_o advance_v beyond_o the_o degree_n of_o a_o learner_n shall_v yet_o be_v look_v upon_o by_o you_o as_o so_o great_a a_o doctor_n that_o a_o expression_n of_o his_o which_o according_a to_o the_o custom_n of_o such_o person_n too_o have_v more_o of_o oratory_n then_o severe_a discourse_n in_o it_o shall_v whole_o sway_v you_o in_o a_o point_n of_o religion_n who_o judgement_n i_o dare_v say_v in_o a_o point_n of_o politic_n in_o which_o he_o be_v much_o better_o verse_v will_v not_o be_v of_o half_a that_o credit_n with_o you_o what_o if_o he_o do_v not_o so_o much_o as_o understand_v the_o thing_n and_o if_o he_o do_v what_o if_o he_o speak_v rather_o according_a to_o his_o occasion_n then_o his_o judgement_n for_o prince_n you_o know_v do_v and_o aught_o to_o govern_v their_o action_n by_o other_o rule_v then_o private_a man_n and_o speak_v sometime_o more_o what_o it_o be_v fit_a they_o shall_v be_v hear_v speak_v than_o what_o they_o true_o think_v in_o either_o of_o these_o case_n both_o which_o i_o take_v to_o be_v not_o only_o possible_a but_o so_o far_o probable_a that_o i_o think_v they_o true_a how_o weak_a a_o support_n be_v this_o testimony_n you_o so_o much_o rely_v upon_o and_o yet_o i_o think_v these_o advantage_n so_o unnecessary_a that_o the_o place_n itself_o faithful_o consult_v needs_o no_o assistance_n to_o conclude_v plain_o against_o you_o for_o since_o you_o make_v constantine_n satify_v of_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o question_n before_o the_o call_n of_o the_o council_n it_o can_v with_o any_o colour_n be_v imagine_v he_o mean_v to_o put_v that_o to_o trial_n which_o before_o the_o trial_n appoint_v be_v already_o know_v and_o resolve_v on_o the_o question_n therefore_o in_o issue_n can_v not_o be_v which_o be_v faith_n which_o heresy_n neither_o do_v that_o use_n to_o be_v or_o indeed_o can_v be_v a_o question_n among_o those_o that_o know_v their_o own_o faith_n but_o how_o the_o opposition_n make_v against_o the_o know_a faith_n may_v be_v answer_v and_o this_o beside_o that_o after_o a_o man_n be_v satisfy_v of_o the_o truth_n of_o one_o part_n of_o the_o question_n there_o can_v be_v no_o more_o dispute_n concern_v the_o same_o question_n but_o how_o to_o answer_v the_o objection_n of_o the_o opposite_a be_v clear_a from_o the_o very_a word_n for_o dissolvere_fw-la do_v not_o signify_v to_o give_v sentence_n in_o a_o question_n he_o that_o shall_v english_a it_o so_o will_v wrest_v it_o strange_o but_o to_o solve_v a_o argument_n its_o natural_a signification_n to_o loose_v or_o untie_v be_v apply_v by_o scholar_n to_o the_o knot_n of_o sophistry_n that_o phrase_n therefore_o import_v the_o answer_v a_o objection_n not_o the_o determine_v a_o controversy_n and_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o place_n be_v this_o let_v we_o by_o scripture_n show_v the_o argument_n of_o arius_n bring_v out_o of_o scripture_n fallacious_a and_o unconcluding_a i_o beseech_v you_o then_o to_o accept_v of_o this_o short_a answer_n to_o your_o long_a discourse_n first_o that_o whatever_o be_v constantine_n opinion_n it_o be_v of_o no_o extraordinary_a importance_n either_o way_n he_o be_v a_o man_n whole_o breed_v up_o to_o other_o art_n than_o divinity_n and_o by_o the_o course_n of_o his_o life_n disable_v from_o attain_v a_o mastery_n in_o such_o abstruse_a point_n second_o that_o you_o be_v so_o far_o from_o appear_v to_o be_v his_o opinion_n that_o you_o can_v force_v it_o upon_o the_o word_n you_o cite_v without_o manifest_a violence_n and_o which_o their_o own_o genuine_a signification_n and_o the_o
be_v that_o the_o gospel_n or_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n which_o be_v to_o be_v the_o foundation_n of_o our_o faith_n be_v by_o the_o will_n of_o god_n deliver_v to_o we_o by_o writing_n as_o well_o as_o preach_v in_o which_o what_o branch_n there_o be_v that_o do_v so_o much_o as_o concern_v we_o true_o i_o see_v not_o for_o no_o body_n doubt_v but_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n be_v the_o foundation_n of_o our_o faith_n that_o it_o be_v write_v as_o well_o as_o preach_v and_o this_o not_o by_o chance_n but_o by_o particular_a providence_n and_o instinct_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n any_o of_o which_o position_n when_o i_o contradict_v i_o will_v acknowledge_v irenaeus_n be_v against_o i_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n i_o appeal_v to_o the_o very_a rule_n of_o syntax_n whether_o he_o be_v not_o against_o you_o and_o whether_o scripture_n fundamentum_fw-la will_v agree_v that_o scripture_n be_v the_o foundation_n which_o the_o construction_n plain_o attribute_n to_o evangelium_fw-la that_o be_v the_o doctrine_n or_o point_n of_o faith_n that_o be_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o letter_n not_o the_o letter_n to_o be_v sense_v which_o be_v the_o tenet_n you_o maintain_v we_o oppose_v there_o follow_v two_o long_a citation_n out_o of_o lib._n 2._o cap._n 46._o &_o 47._o which_o you_o say_v show_v clear_o that_o plain_a scripture_n may_v be_v judge_v the_o only_a way_n to_o decide_v all_o controversy_n and_o this_o i_o deny_v not_o for_o suppose_v scripture_n to_o be_v plain_a enough_o for_o that_o effect_n i_o see_v not_o why_o it_o shall_v not_o produce_v it_o but_o do_v the_o place_n say_v it_o be_v plain_a enough_o what_o you_o think_v i_o know_v not_o but_o i_o will_v assure_v you_o i_o be_o so_o far_o from_o think_v that_o question_n determine_v here_o that_o no_o part_n of_o either_o of_o they_o prompt_v i_o to_o suspect_v the_o father_n do_v so_o much_o as_o think_v of_o it_o his_o business_n in_o these_o chapter_n as_o far_o as_o i_o apprehend_v be_v in_o the_o first_o to_o show_v the_o absurdity_n of_o oppose_v a_o fancy_n draw_v from_o a_o obscure_a parable_n to_o a_o acknowledge_a doctrine_n and_o even_o in_o scripture_n plain_a to_o religious_a lover_n of_o truth_n and_o in_o the_o second_o to_o teach_v the_o impossibility_n of_o attain_v to_o all_o knowledge_n in_o this_o life_n and_o the_o necessity_n of_o be_v content_a to_o know_v as_o much_o as_o god_n be_v please_v we_o shall_v and_o be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o rest_n now_o if_o by_o decide_v those_o question_n he_o have_v give_v sentence_n in_o we_o from_o which_o it_o be_v impossible_a any_o two_o shall_v be_v far_o remove_v and_o that_o by_o teach_v parable_n be_v not_o to_o be_v rely_v on_o nor_o our_o thirst_n after_o knowledge_n satisfy_v in_o this_o life_n he_o have_v teach_v scripture_n be_v plain_a enough_o to_o decide_v all_o controversy_n in_o all_o time_n and_o case_n he_o have_v do_v both_o what_o he_o never_o think_v to_o do_v and_o what_o i_o think_v impossible_a he_o ever_o shall_v do_v ¶_o 11._o in_o his_o three_o book_n cap._n 14._o si_fw-mi autem_fw-la lucas_n quidem_fw-la qui_fw-la semper_fw-la cum_fw-la paulo_n praedicavit_fw-la &_o dilectus_fw-la ab_fw-la eo_fw-la dictus_fw-la est_fw-la &_o cum_fw-la eo_fw-la evangelizavit_fw-la &_o creditus_fw-la est_fw-la refer_v nobis_fw-la evangelium_fw-la nihil_fw-la aliud_fw-la ab_fw-la eo_fw-la didicit_fw-la sicut_fw-la ex_fw-la verbis_fw-la ejus_fw-la ostensum_fw-la est_fw-la quem_fw-la admodum_fw-la hi_o qui_fw-la nunquam_fw-la paulo_n adjuncti_fw-la fuerunt_fw-la gloriantur_fw-la abscondita_fw-la &_o inerrabilia_fw-la didicisse_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la quoniam_fw-la autem_fw-la paulus_n simpliciter_fw-la quae_fw-la sciebat_fw-la haec_fw-la &_o docebat_fw-la non_fw-la solum_fw-la eos_fw-la qui_fw-la cum_fw-la eo_fw-la erant_fw-la verum_fw-la omnes_fw-la audientes_fw-la seipsum_fw-la fecit_fw-la manifestum_fw-la in_o mileto_n convocatis_fw-la episcopis_fw-la &_o pre●byteriis_fw-la repeat_v those_o word_n acts._n 20.17_o and_o so_o on_o non_fw-la subtraxi_fw-la uti_fw-la non_fw-la annuntiarem_fw-la vobis_fw-la omnem_fw-la sententiam_fw-la dei._n sic_fw-la apostoli_fw-la simpliciter_fw-la &_o nemini_fw-la invidentes_fw-la quae_fw-la didicerant_fw-la ipsi_fw-la à_fw-la domino_fw-la haec_fw-la omnibus_fw-la tradebunt_fw-la sic_fw-la igitur_fw-la &_o lucas_n nemini_fw-la invidens_fw-la ea_fw-la quae_fw-la ab_fw-la eye_n didicerat_fw-la tradidit_fw-la nobis_fw-la sicut_fw-la ipse_fw-la testificatur_fw-la dicens_fw-la quemadmodum_fw-la tradiderunt_fw-la nobis_fw-la qui_fw-la ab_fw-la initio_fw-la contemplatores_fw-la &_o ministri_fw-la fuerunt_fw-la verbi_fw-la observe_v i_o pray_v you_o and_o impartial_o weigh_v the_o truth_n irenaeus_n be_v profess_o dispute_v against_o the_o valentinian_o throughout_o his_o whole_a book_n confute_v they_o all_o along_o by_o scripture_n answer_v their_o objection_n which_o be_v the_o very_a same_o with_o you_o against_o we_o the_o scripture_n do_v not_o contain_v all_o divine_a truth_n and_o mystery_n and_o there_o fore_o they_o will_v not_o be_v judge_v nor_o confute_v by_o it_o as_o you_o at_o this_o day_n irenaeus_n first_o prove_v out_o of_o scripture_n that_o the_o apostle_n deliver_v free_o plain_o the_o whole_a mystery_n or_o doctrine_n of_o salvation_n to_o all_o envy_v the_o knowledge_n of_o it_o or_o any_o part_n of_o that_o knowledge_n to_o none_o great_a or_o small_a therefore_o not_o to_o s._n luke_n who_o be_v a_o continual_a companion_n of_o the_o apostle_n paul_n and_o a_o belove_a fellow-labourer_n so_o that_o he_o s._n luke_n must_v needs_o know_v all_o and_o out_o of_o s._n luke_n word_n the_o very_a same_o i_o have_v before_o make_v my_o argument_n the_o beginning_n of_o his_o gospel_n and_o the_o act_n show_v he_o do_v faithful_o relate_v all_o he_o have_v receive_v and_o learn_v of_o the_o apostle_n not_o envy_v we_o any_o one_o truth_n what_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o that_o expression_n he_o himself_o have_v learn_v beside_o what_o force_n can_v there_o have_v be_v in_o irenaeus_n his_o argument_n or_o indeed_o to_o what_o purpose_n will_v his_o whole_a book_n have_v be_v prove_v from_o scripture_n all_o along_o his_o adversary_n to_o be_v out_o and_o their_o tenet_n to_o be_v false_a because_o the_o scripture_n do_v not_o teach_v they_o if_o the_o scripture_n be_v not_o such_o a_o perfect_a rule_n which_o contain_v the_o whole_a mystery_n of_o salvation_n and_o doctrine_n of_o the_o gospel_n thus_o i_o think_v if_o i_o be_o not_o mighty_o mistake_v i_o have_v prove_v the_o minor_a proposition_n which_o only_o can_v be_v question_v of_o that_o syllogism_n which_o destroy_v mr._n rushworth_n second_o dialogue_n that_o which_o have_v be_v the_o rule_n in_o the_o primitive_a church_n must_v still_o be_v but_o the_o write_a word_n which_o we_o enjoy_v be_v the_o rule_n as_o appear_v by_o what_o have_v be_v say_v ergo_fw-la the_o scripture_n still_o be_v etc._n etc._n ¶_o 11._o the_o last_o be_v out_o of_o the_o fourteen_o chapter_n of_o the_o three_o book_n which_o to_o make_v strong_a against_o we_o you_o assume_v two_o thing_n and_o i_o conceive_v neither_o true_a first_o that_o he_o confute_v they_o all_o along_o by_o scripture_n which_o i_o do_v not_o see_v how_o it_o will_v advantage_v you_o be_v it_o admit_v for_o because_o he_o see_v it_o convenient_a to_o dispute_v out_o of_o scripture_n will_v it_o therefore_o follow_v no_o other_o way_n of_o dispute_v be_v either_o lawful_a or_o possible_a we_o dispute_v with_o you_o every_o day_n out_o of_o scripture_n yet_o hold_v another_o a_o sure_a nay_o the_o only_a rule_n but_o i_o wonder_v the_o diligence_n you_o profess_v shall_v so_o far_o deceive_v the_o candour_n you_o be_v master_n of_o as_o to_o offer_v it_o for_o true_a which_o can_v but_o have_v observe_v the_o first_o chapter_n of_o this_o very_a book_n be_v employ_v in_o confute_v they_o by_o tradition_n and_o that_o scripture_n be_v make_v use_n of_o not_o for_o necessity_n i_o can_v speak_v more_o of_o the_o abundant_a efficacy_n of_o tradition_n than_o he_o do_v but_o out_o of_o abundance_n ut_fw-la undique_fw-la resistatur_fw-la illis_fw-la si_fw-la quos_fw-la ex_fw-la his_o retusione_n confundentes_fw-la ad_fw-la conversionem_fw-la veritatis_fw-la adducere_fw-la possimus_fw-la as_o he_o say_v in_o the_o 2_o chapter_n of_o this_o book_n which_o you_o see_v be_v a_o expression_n not_o of_o necessity_n but_o charity_n and_o if_o i_o be_o not_o mistake_v for_o i_o have_v not_o the_o mean_n to_o study_v it_o exact_o his_o whole_a second_o book_n be_v so_o fill_v with_o argument_n from_o reason_n that_o scripture_n be_v hardly_o so_o much_o as_o mention_v unless_o sometime_o by_o the_o by_o second_o you_o assume_v with_o as_o much_o injustice_n as_o mistake_v that_o their_o objection_n be_v the_o same_o with_o we_o and_o the_o answer_v give_v by_o he_o to_o they_o the_o same_z you_o give_v to_o we_o our_o tenet_n for_o objection_n while_o we_o be_v upon_o the_o defensive_a we_o make_v none_o be_v that_o scripture_n be_v not_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n that_o of_o
the_o valentinian_o that_o i_o mean_v which_o irenaeus_n speak_v to_o in_o this_o place_n be_v as_o you_o may_v see_v in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o thirteen_o chapter_n that_o none_o but_o s._n paul_n be_v acquaint_v with_o the_o truth_n as_o have_v only_o receive_v it_o by_o revelation_n whereby_o all_o his_o argument_n in_o the_o precedent_a chapter_n from_o the_o authority_n of_o s._n peter_n s._n stephen_n s._n philip_n etc._n etc._n have_v be_v overthrow_v to_o strengthen_v they_o he_o prove_v in_o the_o thirteen_o chapter_n that_o not_o only_a s._n paul_n but_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o disciple_n also_o understand_v the_o mystery_n of_o salvation_n and_o in_o the_o 14_o particular_o s._n luke_n and_o these_o two_o viz._n scripture_n be_v not_o the_o sole_a rule_n of_o faith_n s._n paul_n alone_o be_v acquaint_v with_o the_o mystery_n of_o salvation_n a_o exact_a study_a of_o irenaeus_n and_o impartial_a lover_n of_o truth_n will_v have_v to_o be_v the_o same_o as_o to_o the_o place_n itself_o this_o i_o conceive_v to_o be_v your_o argument_n s._n paul_n deliver_v all_o he_o know_v to_o s._n luke_n s._n luke_n write_v all_o be_v deliver_v he_o therefore_o s._n paul_n know_v all_o that_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n s._n luke_n write_v all_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n to_o which_o i_o have_v already_o answer_v that_o though_o i_o shall_v admit_v the_o conclusion_n little_o will_v be_v advance_v in_o order_n to_o our_o question_n since_o we_o deny_v not_o but_o all_o may_v be_v contain_v in_o scripture_n some_o way_n or_o other_o particular_o or_o under_o general_a head_n but_o that_o all_o be_v so_o contain_v as_o be_v necessary_a for_o the_o salvation_n of_o mankind_n to_o which_o effect_n we_o conceive_v certainty_n and_o to_o that_o evidence_n requisite_a neither_o of_o which_o be_v within_o the_o compass_n of_o naked_a word_n leave_v without_o any_o guard_n to_o the_o violent_a and_o contrary_a storm_n of_o criticism_n but_o i_o conceive_v you_o do_v the_o saint_n wrong_v and_o understand_v the_o word_n all_o in_o a_o sense_n far_o different_a from_o what_o he_o do_v for_o have_v learn_v from_o s._n john_n so_o little_a a_o book_n as_o s._n luke_n can_v not_o hold_v true_o all_o till_o you_o can_v prove_v he_o mean_v his_o book_n for_o a_o rule_n of_o faith_n and_o intend_v to_o deliver_v in_o it_o all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n i_o must_v believe_v it_o be_v no_o ordinary_a violence_n that_o can_v force_v such_o a_o sense_n upon_o it_o as_o have_v neither_o a_o likely_a nor_o any_o ground_n but_o since_o your_o own_o profession_n and_o large_a citation_n show_v both_o a_o confidence_n and_o esteem_n of_o irenaeus_n give_v i_o leave_v with_o that_o serious_a earnestness_n which_o the_o concern_v of_o eternity_n for_o no_o less_o be_v in_o question_n require_v to_o press_v your_o own_o word_n upon_o you_o and_o desire_v you_o to_o observe_v and_o impartial_o weigh_v the_o truth_n while_o i_o represent_v the_o proceed_n of_o irenaeus_n to_o you_o and_o make_v you_o judge_v whether_o of_o we_o take_v part_n with_o the_o father_n whether_o with_o his_o adversary_n the_o error_n of_o the_o valentinian_o be_v build_v upon_o certain_a obscure_a place_n of_o scripture_n or_o rather_o indeed_o upon_o certain_a deceitful_a reason_n in_o philosophy_n as_o your_o denial_n of_o transubstantiation_n for_o example_n be_v and_o a_o denial_n even_o of_o the_o b._n trinity_n if_o you_o please_v may_v be_v but_o perceive_v the_o rule_n of_o christianity_n do_v not_o allow_v that_o for_o a_o foundation_n of_o faith_n they_o endeavour_v to_o support_v the_o edifice_n by_o scripture_n brag_v no_o doubt_n among_o their_o follower_n it_o be_v clear_o on_o their_o side_n but_o be_v press_v to_o a_o trial_n give_v in_o evidence_n the_o obscure_a place_n mention_v against_o this_o irenaeus_n contend_v that_o parable_n because_o capable_a of_o many_o solution_n be_v not_o to_o be_v rely_v upon_o and_o consequent_o since_o only_o the_o true_a sense_n of_o scripture_n be_v scripture_n that_o scripture_n be_v vain_o pretend_v where_o the_o many_o sense_n leave_v we_o uncertain_a which_o be_v the_o true_a one_o then_o examine_v the_o place_n for_o his_o side_n and_o show_v they_o both_o in_o clearness_n and_o number_n to_o overbalance_n the_o other_o he_o overthrow_v their_o pretence_n and_o preserve_v the_o majesty_n of_o scripture_n to_o his_o party_n the_o same_o do_v we_o to_o you_o who_o build_v most_o of_o your_o mistake_n in_o faith_n upon_o mistake_n in_o philosophy_n pretend_v plain_a scripture_n and_o when_o it_o come_v to_o trial_n bring_v place_n capable_a of_o as_o many_o sense_n as_o the_o valentinian_n parable_n be_v of_o solution_n we_o answer_v as_o he_o do_v that_o there_o be_v no_o rely_v upon_o such_o place_n and_o examine_v those_o we_o conceive_v to_o be_v of_o our_o side_n and_o compare_v they_o with_o you_o both_o in_o clearness_n and_o number_n conclude_v your_o sense_n not_o true_a and_o scripture_n not_o only_o not_o for_o you_o but_o against_o you_o yet_o all_o this_o while_n neither_o he_o nor_o we_o think_v scripture_n for_o this_o dispute_v out_o of_o it_o the_o only_a rule_n of_o faith_n whether_o it_o be_v or_o no_o be_v not_o in_o these_o case_n our_o question_n but_o since_o as_o the_o valentinian_o do_v then_o you_o will_v now_o undertake_v to_o prove_v scripture_n be_v against_o we_o and_o as_o irenaeus_n then_o so_o we_o now_o acknowledge_v nothing_o be_v to_o be_v hold_v against_o scripture_n we_o do_v as_o he_o do_v show_v you_o can_v make_v good_a your_o undertake_n next_o the_o valentinian_o by_o the_o privilege_n of_o their_o nearness_n to_o the_o primitive_a time_n better_o acquaint_v with_o the_o ground_n of_o faith_n than_o you_o will_v have_v justify_v their_o interpretation_n by_o tradition_n a_o evident_a proof_n what_o it_o be_v which_o those_o first_o age_n hold_v the_o interpreter_n of_o scripture_n and_o that_o so_o undeniable_o that_o even_o heretic_n pretend_v to_o it_o what_o say_v irenaeus_n to_o this_o do_v he_o answer_v as_o you_o do_v that_o tradition_n be_v not_o to_o be_v regard_v but_o the_o cause_n to_o be_v decide_v by_o scripture_n and_o that_o the_o only_a rule_n by_o no_o mean_n but_o careful_o and_o diligent_o prove_v tradition_n to_o be_v against_o they_o which_o he_o also_o declare_v to_o be_v not_o what_o they_o pretend_v by_o abuse_n of_o those_o word_n sapientiam_fw-la loquimur_fw-la inter_fw-la perfectos_fw-la whisper_v corner_n conveyance_n of_o one_o to_o another_o such_o as_o the_o cabala_n you_o object_n to_o we_o but_o the_o open_a plain_a profession_n of_o those_o church_n to_o who_o the_o apostle_n leave_v their_o doctrine_n and_o its_o practice_n and_o among_o which_o he_o conceive_v that_o of_o the_o roman_a church_n alone_o sufficient_a this_o public_a testimony_n as_o he_o so_o we_o lay_v claim_v to_o and_o profess_v with_o he_o will_v be_v sufficient_a even_o though_o there_o be_v no_o scripture_n at_o all_o which_o nevertheless_o since_o god_n infinite_a goodness_n have_v provide_v for_o we_o we_o do_v not_o understand_v the_o force_n of_o the_o former_a impair_v by_o the_o addition_n of_o a_o new_a force_n but_o that_o belong_v to_o another_o question_n give_v i_o leave_v to_o end_v the_o present_a one_o with_o this_o confidence_n that_o you_o can_v but_o see_v we_o follow_v the_o father_n step_n and_o you_o those_o who_o follow_v the_o valentinian_o and_o that_o it_o appear_v by_o what_o have_v be_v say_v your_o minor_a neither_o be_v nor_o since_o you_o have_v fail_v in_o likelihood_n ever_o will_v be_v prove_v part_n ii_o tradition_n the_o rule_n of_o faith_n sect_n i._o ¶_o 1_o certainty_n of_o tradition_n ¶_o 1._o in_o the_o three_o dialogue_n the_o certainty_n of_o your_o tradition_n have_v endeavour_v to_o take_v away_o the_o certainty_n of_o scripture_n i_o think_v in_o vain_a be_v endeavour_v i_o be_v glad_a of_o the_o promise_n to_o do_v the_o work_v only_o by_o reason_n and_o common_a sense_n without_o any_o quotation_n of_o author_n because_o i_o want_v that_o vast_a knowledge_n in_o antiquity_n which_o be_v requisite_a for_o the_o decide_n of_o this_o question_n by_o it_o but_o i_o see_v my_o hope_n be_v frustrate_v for_o your_o cause_n neither_o be_v here_o nor_o can_v be_v prove_v by_o reason_n alone_o without_o that_o read_n which_o yet_o i_o want_v the_o reason_n here_o or_o any_o other_o that_o may_v be_v manage_v without_o quotation_n of_o author_n i_o be_o ready_a to_o see_v and_o examine_v and_o as_o ready_a to_o subscribe_v unto_o if_o they_o convince_v i_o but_o i_o think_v it_o unreasonable_a for_o you_o to_o pretend_v to_o prove_v your_o religion_n infallible_a and_o yet_o bring_v no_o positive_a argument_n that_o be_v of_o themselves_o sufficient_a to_o convince_v but_o only_o to_o stand_v upon_o your_o guard_n
didim_v c._n 12._o non_fw-la dubitavit_fw-la dominus_fw-la dicere_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la meum_fw-la cum_fw-la signum_fw-la corporis_fw-la svi_fw-la daret_fw-la and_o judam_fw-la adhibuit_fw-la convivium_fw-la in_o quo_fw-la corporis_fw-la &_o sanguinis_fw-la svi_fw-la figuram_fw-la discipulis_fw-la suis_fw-la commendavit_fw-la &_o tradidit_fw-la si_fw-mi sacramenta_fw-la quandam_fw-la similitudinem_fw-la earum_fw-la rerum_fw-la quarum_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la sunt_fw-la non_fw-la haberent_fw-la omnino_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la non_fw-la essent_fw-la exit_fw-la hac_fw-la autem_fw-la similitudine_fw-la plerunque_fw-la etiam_fw-la ipsarum_fw-la rerum_fw-la nomina_fw-la accipiunt_fw-la sicut_fw-la ergo_fw-la secundum_fw-la quendam_fw-la modum_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la corporis_fw-la christi_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la est_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la sanguinis_fw-la christi_fw-la sanguis_fw-la christi_fw-la est_fw-la ita_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la fidei_fw-la fides_fw-la est_fw-la sicut_fw-la ergo_fw-la caelestis_fw-la panis_fw-la qui_fw-la caro_fw-la christi_fw-la est_fw-la svo_fw-la modo_fw-la voco_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la cum_fw-la revera_fw-la sit_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la corporis_fw-la christi_fw-la illius_fw-la viz._n quod_fw-la visibile_fw-la palpabile_fw-la mortale_fw-la in_o cruse_n positum_fw-la est_fw-la vocaturque_fw-la ipsa_fw-la immolatio_fw-la carnis_fw-la quae_fw-la sacerdotis_fw-la manibus_fw-la fit_a christi_fw-la passio_fw-la mors_fw-la crucifixio_fw-la non_fw-la rei_fw-la veritate_fw-la sed_fw-la significante_fw-la mysterio_fw-la sic_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la fidei_fw-la quo_fw-la baptismus_fw-la intelligitur_fw-la fides_fw-la es_fw-la theodoret_n dialog_n 1._o servator_fw-la certè_fw-la noster_fw-la nomina_fw-la commutavit_fw-la &_o corpori_fw-la quidem_fw-la idem_fw-la quod_fw-la erat_fw-la symboli_fw-la ac_fw-la signi_fw-la nomen_fw-la imposuit_fw-la symbolo_fw-la autem_fw-la quod_fw-la erat_fw-la corporis_fw-la causa_fw-la mutationis_fw-la manifesta_fw-la est_fw-la iis_fw-la qui_fw-la sunt_fw-la divinis_fw-la mysteriis_fw-la initiati_fw-la volebat_fw-la enim_fw-la eos_fw-la qui_fw-la sunt_fw-la divinorum_fw-la mysteriorum_fw-la participes_fw-la non_fw-la attendere_fw-la naturam_fw-la eorum_fw-la quae_fw-la videntur_fw-la sed_fw-la propter_fw-la nominum_fw-la mutationem_fw-la mutationi_fw-la quae_fw-la fit_a ex_fw-la gratia_fw-la credere_fw-la qui_fw-la enim_fw-la quod_fw-la natura_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la triticum_fw-la &_o panem_fw-la appellavit_fw-la &_o vitem_fw-la seipsum_fw-la rursus_fw-la nominavit_fw-la be_v symbola_fw-la quae_fw-la videntur_fw-la appellatione_fw-la corporis_fw-la &_o sanguinis_fw-la honoravit_fw-la non_fw-la naturam_fw-la quidem_fw-la mutans_fw-la sed_fw-la naturae_fw-la gratiam_fw-la adjiciens_fw-la so_o marius_n monachus_n say_v the_o bread_n and_o wine_n be_v offer_v in_o the_o church_n as_o the_o antitype_n of_o his_o flesh_n and_o blood_n and_o they_o that_o partake_v of_o the_o bread_n which_o appear_v do_v spiritual_o not_o bodily_a then_o as_o you_o gross_o eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o the_o lord_n from_o all_o those_o and_o many_o more_o i_o may_v name_v i_o conclude_v that_o instead_o of_o mr_n whites_n malepertness_n page_n 31._o the_o contrary_a be_v a_o madness_n see_v a_o man_n must_v shut_v his_o eye_n first_o against_o the_o sun_n then_o obstinate_o resolve_v come_v on_o it_o what_o will_v to_o embrace_v not_o only_a uncertainty_n for_o certainty_n but_o gross_a falsehood_n for_o clear_a truth_n ¶_o 2._o you_o next_o make_v this_o question_n if_o we_o have_v derive_v this_o interpretation_n all_o along_o from_o the_o apostle_n which_o suppose_v the_o foundation_n of_o all_o our_o doctrine_n to_o be_v a_o interpretation_n of_o scripture_n a_o position_n disownd_v as_o you_o know_v by_o we_o but_o if_o the_o question_n be_v as_o i_o presume_v you_o mean_v it_o whether_o we_o have_v derive_v this_o doctrine_n all_o along_o from_o the_o apostle_n i_o answer_v yes_o and_o appeal_v even_o to_o yourself_o whether_o it_o be_v in_o the_o power_n of_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n which_o you_o general_o take_v to_o be_v the_o first_o which_o settle_v that_o doctrine_n or_o any_o other_o authority_n upon_o the_o face_n of_o the_o earth_n to_o impose_v upon_o whole_a nation_n tenet_n damnable_a to_o themselves_o and_o posterity_n and_o impossible_a not_o to_o be_v see_v to_o be_v so_o what_o be_v there_o beyond_o the_o power_n of_o humane_a nature_n if_o this_o be_v not_o that_o mankind_n bring_v up_o in_o a_o belief_n that_o the_o bless_a sacrament_n be_v no_o more_o than_o plain_a bread_n make_v to_o signify_v high_a thing_n indeed_o but_o only_o to_o signify_v they_o shall_v of_o a_o sudden_a unanimous_o run_v to_o mass_n there_o adore_v the_o holy_a sacrifice_n and_o by_o vast_a alm_n acknowledge_v it_o propitiatory_a for_o both_o quick_a and_o dead_a observe_v how_o slow_o and_o wary_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n have_v be_v admit_v into_o the_o several_a province_n of_o christendom_n into_o all_o which_o even_o the_o catholic_n one_o it_o have_v not_o yet_o nor_o perhaps_o ever_o will_v as_o to_o decree_n of_o manner_n gain_v a_o entire_a entrance_n and_o confess_v the_o nature_n of_o humane_a thing_n endure_v not_o so_o extravagant_a a_o power_n even_o in_o council_n as_o to_o change_v the_o faith_n of_o the_o world_n which_o it_o profess_v with_o this_o persuasion_n that_o eternal_a happiness_n depend_v upon_o it_o according_a to_o a_o arbitrary_a determination_n and_o that_o the_o make_n of_o a_o new_a word_n shall_v make_v new_a truth_n nay_o make_v that_o true_a to_o day_n which_o be_v false_a yesterday_o there_o sir_n be_v impossibility_n in_o nature_n and_o may_v enter_v into_o a_o large_a fancy_n but_o never_o pass_v from_o thence_o into_o a_o sober_a judgement_n nothing_o be_v more_o certain_a then_o that_o as_o great_a as_o the_o power_n of_o a_o council_n be_v it_o be_v so_o far_o from_o be_v able_a to_o introduce_v a_o new_a faith_n with_o a_o new_a word_n that_o it_o can_v never_o have_v introduce_v a_o new_a word_n which_o have_v not_o be_v find_v agreeable_a to_o the_o old_a faith_n before_o i_o speak_v to_o your_o father_n who_o you_o say_v be_v so_o clear_a against_o we_o give_v i_o leave_v to_o speak_v a_o little_a to_o yourself_o and_o put_v you_o in_o mind_n that_o you_o and_o i_o be_v now_o dispute_v not_o of_o a_o obscure_a piece_n of_o criticism_n or_o unconcern_v point_n of_o philosophy_n in_o which_o a_o mistake_n be_v of_o no_o great_a concern_v than_o the_o credit_n of_o the_o mistaker_n but_o of_o religion_n that_o be_v the_o way_n to_o heaven_n in_o which_o if_o we_o miss_v we_o have_v the_o same_o hope_n of_o come_v thither_o that_o he_o have_v of_o get_v to_o his_o journey_n end_n by_o night_n who_o travel_v all_o day_n in_o a_o wrong_a road_n our_o soul_n therefore_o and_o their_o salvation_n be_v concern_v in_o this_o contest_v no_o plea_n ought_v to_o be_v produce_v but_o such_o a_o one_o of_o who_o efficacy_n we_o be_v so_o far_o persuade_v as_o to_o venture_v they_o upon_o it_o now_o by_o the_o great_a candour_n you_o profess_v have_v the_o father_n you_o cite_v so_o much_o authority_n with_o you_o be_v you_o content_v so_o to_o submit_v your_o judgement_n to_o they_o as_o when_o it_o appear_v what_o the_o path_n be_v they_o walk_v in_o to_o quit_v all_o other_o for_o it_o and_o constant_o pursue_v it_o to_o eternity_n such_o and_o only_o such_o a_o disposition_n may_v make_v the_o pain_n requisite_a to_o so_o great_a a_o effect_n as_o clear_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o father_n in_o all_o point_n of_o controversy_n rational_o charitable_a but_o if_o you_o have_v it_o not_o the_o whole_a business_n be_v turn_v into_o a_o wit-combat_n and_o the_o question_v no_o more_o but_o this_o whether_o of_o we_o two_o be_v better_o verse_v in_o antiquity_n and_o true_o i_o think_v the_o concern_v of_o eternity_n deserve_v to_o be_v treat_v a_o little_a more_o serious_o then_o if_o what_o be_v allege_v prove_v true_a nothing_o be_v advance_v if_o false_a nothing_o lose_v which_o yet_o i_o take_v to_o be_v your_o case_n for_o if_o the_o father_n say_v as_o you_o will_v have_v they_o you_o profess_v not_o to_o rely_v upon_o they_o if_o otherwise_o not_o to_o regard_v they_o but_o i_o be_o afraid_a your_o manner_n of_o treat_v the_o father_n be_v more_o liable_a to_o exception_n than_o your_o treat_v they_o for_o to_o omit_v the_o want_n of_o rigorous_a exactness_n in_o some_o of_o your_o testimony_n which_o use_v to_o accompany_v those_o citation_n which_o be_v perfect_o your_o own_o you_o have_v bring_v a_o quotation_n from_o s._n austin_n which_o you_o make_v look_v like_o a_o entire_a text_n that_o prove_v when_o examine_v a_o collection_n of_o several_a sentence_n some_o not_o so_o much_o as_o he_o scatter_v through_o several_a book_n in_o several_a tome_n and_o cite_v for_o it_o a_o book_n never_o write_v at_o least_o by_o he_o this_o proceed_n i_o dare_v say_v be_v not_o you_o and_o i_o will_v entreat_v you_o since_o you_o refuse_v to_o rely_v upon_o the_o father_n not_o to_o hazard_v your_o own_o or_o eternal_a happiness_n or_o eternal_a misery_n upon_o the_o credit_n of_o you_o know_v best_a who_o but_o in_o all_o likelihood_n beside_o their_o be_v man_n that_o be_v in_o your_o