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chrysostom_n hom._n 23._o in_o i_o ad_fw-la cor._n 〈◊〉_d
and_o the_o joyful_a union_n between_o the_o spirit_n of_o just_a man_n and_o their_o glorify_a body_n they_o be_v in_o some_o state_n of_o imperfection_n their_o appetite_n of_o union_n be_v not_o fulfil_v and_o therefore_o you_o may_v observe_v our_o saviour_n speak_v of_o the_o saint_n in_o the_o resurrection_n express_o as_o to_o their_o likeness_n and_o equality_n with_o the_o angel_n and_o conclude_v not_o any_o thing_n before_o they_o which_o shall_v be_v account_v worthy_a to_o obtain_v that_o world_n and_o the_o resurrection_n from_o the_o dead_a neither_o marry_v nor_o be_v give_v in_o marriage_n neither_o can_v they_o die_v any_o more_o for_o they_o be_v equal_a unto_o the_o angel_n luk._n 20._o vers_fw-la 35._o 36._o that_o they_o want_v neither_o knowledge_n nor_o affection_n to_o assist_v we_o and_o take_v a_o charge_n of_o we_o although_o we_o shall_v grant_v to_o avoid_v dispute_n yet_o we_o do_v not_o read_v they_o have_v such_o a_o commission_n from_o god_n to_o 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