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scripture_n	david_n	psalm_n	sing_v	2,543	5	9.4001	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A86648	The common salvation contended for, and the faith which was once delivered to the saints· Or, An answer to a book called a plain answer to eighteen queries of Iohn Whitehead, put forth by William Kays, who calls himself minister of the Gospel at Stokesly; wherein he hath perverted the faith once delivered to the saints, and pleads for those things which the Scripture declares against, and so he is made manifest, not to be a minister of the everlasting Gospel, but preachesanother [sic] Gospel. The queries laid down, and the substance of his answer, with a reply to his answer. / By one who is a friend to all, who wait for the appearance of Iesus Christ without sin to salvation, known to the world by the name. Francis Howgill.	Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669.	1655 (1655)	Wing H3155; Thomason E824_3; ESTC R18577	18,636	20

sins is of the Devil not that the Devil can claim him for his or that he is in the possession of the Devil for your gift is of Balaams nature and not of the nature of Pauls and so your reward will be as Balaams and not as Pauls who inherits the everlasting treasure for ever And further thou sayest but as to the point of taking Tythes which in respect of darkness and prejudice some Saints are herein unsatisfied and thou sayest we understand not our selves in judging from the Apostles example except we could prove by Scripture that the Apostles might have had Tythes or those Ministers which were like Timothy and Titus settled in a parochial way in their quarters might have had Tythes given them and yet refused them Reply They which are satisfied that they are Ministers of Christ which takes Tythes are indeed in darkness as thou speaks and unto all that fear God taking of ●ythes whether in paying or receiving will be prejudice and be it known unto thee and unto all such that we do understand our selves in judging thee and all such to be Antichrists and deceivers and false Prophets who acts and upholds those things which the deceivers and false Prophets acted in former generations and in seeking for your gain from your Quarter and in making merchandise of people through covetousness you make it manifest that you are such and so in the light which was in the Prophets and in the Apostles we see you and by it we judge you and by the example of the Apostles you may all be condemned who never took Tythes nor sought for their gain from their Quarter nor made merchandise of any through covetousness as you do and we tell thee plainly it is as true as the Scripture for by the same Spirit we speak that none of the Ministers of Christ nor his Apostle did take Tythes or wages of the world for preaching and this we can prove by the Scripture that the Apostles refused to take that which they might have had which was offered unto them and herein they shall judge you who not onely takes what men give you willing but compels some to pay against their will and that Timothy or Titus or any of the ministers of Iesus Christ was never settled in a parochial way in Quarters we do deny it and doth charge it upon thee to be a false accuser and a slanderer and a lyar upon Timothy and Titus and would make them as bad as thy self and the rest of the false Prophets and here let thy own conscience condemn thee for believing the holy men of God and speaking that of them which they were not to cloak and uphold thy own deceits abominations further thou sayest till then the light of the Apostles that took whatsoever was given them satisfies thy conscience to praise God for the Magistrate that doth freely give it unto thee and then brings the Apostles words they that preach the Gospel should live of the Gospel Reply The light in which the Apostles lived by which they were acted will for ever condemn thee except thou repent for by their example thou art judged already as it is manifested thy conscience is blinded by the god of the world and not satisfied by the light of Christ which was in the Apostles for if the light of the Apostles acted thee then would thou be found in their steps but be witness against thy self that thou art acted by that spirit which acted the false Prophets and false Apostles being thou art found in the same steps making merchandise of people and preaching for hire as they did which of the Apostles had any Law from any Magistrate to compel men to pay Tythes to them shew this by the Scripture if thou canst or else be a witness against thy self that thou lives not upon the Gospel For I know if you had not a Law to compel men to maintain you the Gospel which you preach and the people to whom you preach would starve you for maintenance this Scripture we own and do witness they that preach the Gospel shall live of the Gospel and doth without running to Magistrates to receive order from them to compel men to pay them XVI Query Shew me by the Scripture where ever any of the Ministers of Christ did give Davids Psalms to be sung of the people in a rime and if not thou acknowledgest that thou art in the inventions and traditions of men raised out from them all Answ. In thy answer unto this Query thou brings many Scriptures to prove singing some of which doth not at all prove any singing and none of them will prove the singing which thou pleads for which is a great company of proud and covetous and earthly minded persons to sing Davids words which they cannot witness but are enemies to the life of what he spoke for the world cannot sing praises unto God but you by your traditions cause men to sing lies that they are not puft in mind and that the Law of God is dear unto them and that every night water they their bed with tears when as they never witnessed these things though all this was true in David and as for that Scripture 2 Chron 29. where it was commanded of the Priests to sing the words of David and Asaph this was under the Law a figure as the Priests was a figure and from that Scripture you may as well prove the offering of sacrifice as singing but thou makes manifest thy ignorance and blindness hereby unto all the simple and many other Scriptures thou brings and the example of Christ and his Disciples and the example of the Churches which will not at all prove the singing of your assemblies which is onely by tradition and invention we do deny and bear testimony against it that it is not the singing to the praise of God but God is dishonoured by it and it shall all be turned into howling and bitterness and the time is at hand wherein the Iudgements of God shall be revealed against it for in the eternal light it is discovered to be abomination unto God and instead of singing you shall howle and lament the Lord hath said it and a great deal more rabble of stuff thou hast written to prove thy deceitful practice which I forbear to answer as not worth naming XVII Query Whether that wo which Christ pronounced against the Pharisees who were called of men Masters had the ceief place in the Assemblies and stood praying in the Synagogues do not abide upon thee who art called of men Masters hast the chief seat in the Assemblies stands praying in the Synagogue or how wilt thou justifie thy self in these practices seeing Christ is the same yesterday to day and for ever who cryed woe against them that lived in them Answ. Thou sayest thou doth not feare the woes pronounced against the Pharilees Reply It is because thy heart is hardened and thy mind is stiffnecked and rebellious

thou lyes in confusion and Babylon and puts the letter for the light of Christ and so art blind indeed as thou confessed thy eyes were not opened and thou was not turned from darkness and thou saith Christs light when it is revealed is sufficient the light which Christ Iesus hath enlightned every one withal is made manifest and convinceth of all ungodlyness and worldly lust yea he which is the Comforter convinceth the world of sin as the Scripture witnesseth neither is their any other light in the world that convinceth the lyer the swearer the drunkard but that light that comes from Christ and this is the condemnation of them that hate it and that which declares against unrighteousness is righteous and that which shews sin is holy and thou that calls this natural thy eye is blind and thy understanding is darkned and thy ear heavy and so can neither hear see not understand it now the natural man understands not the things of God but the light of Christ in every mans conscience understands by it what is not of God and by it he comes to see sin that it is against God and therefore I am a witness against thee and against all the hirelings in the world that by the light which a measure is given to every one that he that loves it It leads to the the light of life and though the light shine in a naturall man yet it is not natural but seven seals and upon this to the serpents seed and he that hates it and disputes against it shall never know it and thou saith whosoever hath this light of Christ may see to obey Magistrates and Ministers Lords day worship fasting praying singing as well as to avoid blasphemy and profanness Magistrates we obey in the Lord and all their just commands but we deny flattery and deceit and respecting persons but honours the power that is of God and that which is acted by them which is not of God we suffer for conscience sake and resists not but all that thou obeys is without in flattery and deceit and hath mens persons in admiration because of advantage and Ministers of Christ we own who are sent of God and honours such but thee and all the hirelings and imitaters Ianes and Iambres like we deny and are bold to declare against you all who walk contrary to the Saints and that which you call your rule and are a generation of hypocrites and your rule shall judge you all and thou art tried by it when all along thy answers thou pleads against the Scripture and adds thy meanings and God will judge thee for it and thy shame shall be made manifest to all the day of the Lord we own blessed be that day but it shall burn as an oven against all deceivers and hypocrites and false Prophets and this thou shalt know and witness and baptism and watching and fasting and praying and singing this is witnessed the same that ever was and the power of godliness but we deny thee and all such as go and baptize and then preach repentance to them fourty years after and fasting thou might have been sparing in this pull out the beam I speak to thy conscience how often hast thou fasted and crossed thy lust nay all is too little hay and corn Calves Lambs Eggs and Swines flesh and all is to little for you but you are still at a want and removing from one place to another for filthy lukre and makes merchandise of souls for dishonest gain and sues men at the Law as many can witness in the North of England and casts those in prison that they call their flock and so you are as ravening wolves greedy of your prey and as foxes in the desert that devours all that resist you and then cries they are not subject to the Magistrates nor Ministers and then saith the labourer is worthy of his hire and brings this for a cloak when as they never hired you and yet you seek wages of them you do not work for to maintain your luks Howl ye Caterpillers and Cankerworms that devours the earth and spends your time in the lusts of the flesh and yet accuses others and as for thy prayers they stink God hears not sinners and while thou lives in this nature pleading for those things which the Scripture declare against and thy songs shall be turned into lamentation and howling the dead cannot praise nor the blind and thou saith thou art blind and deaf what hast thou to preach or pray or sing and so cease thy gainsaying the hand of the Lord is against thee and the Scripture was not given out for thee to prattle on and for those things thou cals ordinances thou had not known such a thing as in the answer to the fourth Query thou confessest and so let shame cover thy face and let thy mouth be stopped and all flesh keep silence for what is known without leads no●●o God but that which may be known of God is revealed in man Rom. 2. and the time is come Iesable that hath slain the Prophets shall be cast into torment and she shall prophesie no more and by the light which thou sets all nought shall thou and all the inchanters and diviners be confounded to it shall all Nations how for he from whom it come is King of Kings and Lord of Lords who makes war in righteousness and is now coming to cut off all by the edge of the sword who hath prophefied lies in his name and caused men to abhor the service of the living God IX Query Whether the end of begisting and sending forth Ministers is for the perfecting of the Saints and for bringing them up to his measure or fulness yea or no Answ. Yea. Reply Here thou thy self shall be a witness against all the Ministery which long hath been in this Nation for verily it is so far from perfecting of the Saints that openly the Ministry pleadeth against it and cryeth out of those that witness it to be in error and here thou shalt stand as a witness for the truth against thy self and against all thy Brethren X. Query Whether any shall grow up under thy Ministery to a perfect man to the measure of fulness and stature of Christ yea or no Answ. Thou sayest speaking of thy own hearers they are at age ask them and try them whether there be not some that will not avoid to answer thee to which I do Reply It may be some of thy hearers might be as impudent in speaking lies against their own conscience as thou art in writing against the Commands of Christ but that in their conscience to which I desire to be known and to the upright principle in them to which I desire to speak will not witness that under thy Ministery they have attained to perfection but are yet learning under thee and never able by thee to come to the knowledge of the truth and that which is of God in them shall witness

an hypocrite but thou judges out of thy corrupt imaginations and he will judge thee for it and thou saith thou in charity ought to judge me to contend for the faith and in thy answer to Iohn Whites conclusion thou says he Pope like commands thee to answer and further thou saith he required thee in his one name what confusion thou lies in and forgets what thou speaks thy heart is so full of deceit and thou further saith he ought to abound in charity to think no evil and to die to all causless jealousies and contempt against professors thou would not have deceit judged nei●her in thy self nor others but would build up and be daubed with untempered morter and it is beyond jealousies that we have of thee and all profession that stands in that nature when your profession is contrary to the doctrine of Christ and now possess not what you speak and therefore makes hypocrites by your preaching and to profess that which they possess not And in thy conclusion thou saith Iohn Whitehead let me tell thee plainly that thy words being far from the meek spirit of the Apostles I beseech you brethren Reply The Apostle never said I beseech you brethren to such as thou art who acts those things that he declared against and suffered by thy generation as we do now hailing mocking buffeting and thou that art joyned to a harlot would thou be called a Brother and thou saith thou should not have answered these Queris if it had not been to answer the command of God and the teaching of the Spirit the command of God thou never knew who art pleading against Christs commands and the Spirit thou knows nothing of who confessed in the fourth page of thy book who confessed thou knew nothing but by the Scripture and the Scripture is not the Spirit and here let all judge of thy blindness and thou saith thou hast answered without adding or diminishing the Scripture let all thy writing be a witness against thee in thy answer to the twelfth Query and in thy conclusion thou sayes thou would not draw arguments from and fetch guns out of a castle to turn them against the same place this shall stand for thy self and let all judge whether thou have not fetched arguments and Scriptures to uphold thy trade of divination and hath pleaded against Christs own commands and sets one Scripture against another and thou would have distinctions to stand because the holy Ghost saith this he spoke concerning the Temple of his body but where is that Scripture that saith this was said not of the material Temple that is thy own word and so thou cannot but twine and wrest and pervert for if thou did not the whole Scripture would bear witness against thee and thou art accusing that thou heard him press casting off ordinances we know what thou calls ordinances even beggerly rudiments sprinkling Infants singing others condition and when you read puts them on and when you sing puts them off and standing praying in the Synagogue and would accuse Christ as thou hast done in thy answer to the seventeenth Query and coming to an Idols Temple and hear thee speak an hour or two what thou hast raised up by thy imagination from the Scripture all the week and then cry hear the Word of the Lord and these and such like are your ordinances but God will plead with thee and all that offer strange fire and all your sacrifice God is weary of and therefore cease to pervert the way of the Lord lest thou be cut off within thy gainsaying and perish with the uncircumcised FINIS