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A85149 The Scriptures vindication against the Scotish contradictors. By one John Stalham, and as he saith, preacher of the Gospel at Edenborough in Scotland. And the other tiled [sic], A serious review of some principles of the Quakers; wherein error is discovered, and truth defended; by P.E. and written with a pen at Edenborough, printed in the year 1655, and a written name, as if it were the printer called Peter English, but no printed name; and thus they shuffle, but laid open to their shame, and truth in this short answer is defended and cleared, and their errour is discovered, and they ensnared. Who both have manifested their contradictions both to the Scriptures, and their own writings, and so have not the people which they call Quakers. / Published by a servant of the Lord Jesus, in Yorkeshire in England, known to the world by the name of Richard Farneworth. R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666. 1655 (1655) Wing F503; Thomason E854_9; ESTC R202120 34,303 40

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the wicked one knowes the father and are strong because they have overcome and are in union with him that giveth them victory and the word of God abideth in them that have so overcome 1 Joh 2.13 14. which thou art ignorant of and knowest not that pleads for sin and so for the Devill therefore his servant thou art expect his reward for doing his worke Concerning Repentance They Question that Implyeth a deniall of Repentance in such as make a trade of sinne take heed and looke to thy selfe that art so hardened in thy sins and pleads so strongly for them least thou be given over to hardnesse of heart and Repentance be hid from thee as from Esau it was for wee know that the goodnesse of God leadeth to repentance and the Scripture witnesseth the same with us therefore wee contradict it not but agree therewith and witnesse the gift from the Goodnesse Rom 2.4 But take heed that thou harden not thine heart and treasure up unto thy selfe wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous Judgement of God ver 5. And where thou sayes wee disclaime a Godly sorrow which thou calls remorse there thou hast uttered another lye but thou art accustomed to it and it is hard for thee to leave it Concerning Reading Singings and Prayer Baptisme and the Lords Suffer c. Thou would raise a slander and cast it upon us from some words which thou hast wrested in the Booke called the Standard of the Lord by C Athinson Pag 22. as if wee should deny the way and the meanes that God useth to reveale himselfe to his people by and through but that is but further to manifest thy lying and deceitful Spirit of errour and deceit for Christ is the Light to lead out of errour and deceit such as follow him into the Light of Life Joh 8.2 And he is the way to the Father and that wee owne and none can come to the Father without him and hee reveales his secrets by his Spirit even the deepe things of God 1 Cor 2.10 and no man knowes the father but the sonne and he to whosoever the sonne will reveale him And this doth not contradict the Scriptures but are witnessed by them Math 11.27 Luke 10.22 But the Scriptures are not Christ then they are not the Spirit that reveales the deepe things of God But God hath sent the Spirit of his sonne into our hearts whereby we cry Abba father Gal 4.6 and by his Spirit hee tcacheth us to profit 1 Cor 12.7 and to understand 1 Joh 5.20 and teacheth us how to read with an understanding and how to pray as wee ought Rom 8.26 1 Cor 14.15 and that doth not contradict the 2 Tim 3.15 nor Rom 10.17 nor Luke 11.13 nor James 1 6. for wee know that faith is Given by the ministry of Christ in the Spirit and that God giveth us his holy Spirit 1 John 3 24. and the wisdome which is pure peaceable Gentle and easie to be entreated James 3.17 and the fruite of righteousnesse is sowne in peace of them that make peace James 3.18 for which wee praise God and owne hearing reading and prayer and the teachings of God according to his promises Therefore thy slaunder and accusation harmeth us not But your braine Imaginations wee deny and sprinkling Infants with water which thou calls Sacramentall water but canst thou prove it yet the Baptisme by one Spirit we owne 1 Cor 12.12 13. into one body where there is one faith one Lord one Baptisme Ephes 4.4 5. and such as are baptized into Christ have put on Christ and that wee witnesse as doth the Scripture which is not Contradiction Gal 3.27 But sprinkling Infants is an Invention and none of Christs Institution But thou perverts the Scripture Act. 2.38 39. saying Be baptized every one of you you and your Children Here thou art a lyar It doth not Command Children to be baptized with water neither did they ever so baptize them that thou canst prove by one plaine Scripture and where thou sayes that one of them sayes The Lords Supper is a carnall Invention I charge thee in that to be a grosse lyar I said that your Imagination was a carnall Invention but the Lords Supper I owne and witnesse that he is come in to supp with mee Rev 3.20 And the bread which we breake it is the communion of the body of Christ and the Cup which we drinke it is the communion of the blood of Christ and as Paul said so say I Let those that are spirituall Judge what is said but thou canst not prove that Paul broke outward bread and drunke outward wine with the Corinthians nor the manner how and therefore it is thy reason that is so weake that saith The bread which you breake although it be bread in the nature and substance yet it is Spirit in the Institution c. What blasphemy is this to say that the Spirit is in the bread which is naturall in the substance here is a Papisticall tricke indeed and thy reason is very weak to carry thee out to utter thy shallownesse and emptinesse of the body and blood of Christ that would make that bread which is naturall in the substance as thou sayes the Spirit and Life of Christ and so substantiall in the Institution by yon deceivers oh Horrible delusion The Kingdome of God consists not in meate and drinke but righteousnesse peace Joy in the holy Ghost and in that kingdome wheat bread and red wine is not soules food but the pretious blood of Christ such as eate him they live on hum and dwells in him he is my meate and drinke and food for my soule to feed on and for such as are in him John 6. Who is the bread of Life And where thou sayest wee are against publique prayer these thon sayes are their very expresse words in Answer to Samuell Eaton P 26. contrary to the order 1 Cor 14 14. Here thou hast manifested thy deceitfull spirit and wronged the words in that Booke by turning them into a wrong sense by thy filthy minde to manifest thy mischeife against the Truth that is harboured in thy deceitfull heart for the words in that page thou hast cited is that wee are against a publique prayer which is in the state of the Pharisee which Christ forbids and that doth not contradict Scripture nor the counsell of Christ but agree therewith Math 6.5 but the praying with the Spirit we owne and those are the following words in that booke agrees with the saying of Christ in Math 6.6 and with the order of the Spirit in the 1 Cor 14. which is to pray with the spirit and the understanding ver 15. Therefore thy lyes and slanders harmes us not And thou sayes wee are against all Davids prayers and prophesies and singing contrary to Scripture and cites the Answer to Sam Eaton P 26. Let that Book witnesse for the truth against thy deceit singing of Psalmes and hymns
and spirituall songs we are not against but owne and Davids prayers prophecies But your Poetry we deny and teaching people to sing lyes in hypocrisie saying they are not puft in minde when they are puft in minde and saying they have no scornfull eye when they have and much more of that nature Be ashamed lyar and give over lying Concerning Elders Ministers Maintenance Immediate calling and Immediate teaching c. Ordaining of Elders thou sayes was not by man Quoting the Discovery of the man of sinne by James Nayler Pag 38. Let the wise-hearted read that booke and it will witnesse cleare him and the truth declared in it but this I say The holy Ghost made Overseers and so Elders in the Church and that doth not contradict the Scripture but agree therewith Act. 20.28 and the holy Ghost is not such men as you are and he said Seperate mee Barnabas Saul for the worke whereunto I have appoynted them and they were sent out by the holy Ghost Act. 13. And he was not taught the Gospel which he preached of man but of God Gal 1. and so taught immediately and went after Christ was revealed in him immediately to preach the Gospel And thou sayes They say that God sends forth Immediately contrary to Gal 1. and saith there Paul speakes of a sending of man c but that Chapter may be a sufficient witnesse against thee prove thee to be a lyar of them and of that booke of the warning to Vnderbarrow by Edw Burr from which thou sayes they pretend to an Infallible Judgement to a calling not by man but Immediate as the Prophets and Apostles had whom God sends say they he sends Immediately and thou sayes that is contrary to Gal 1. here let the Scripture be a witnesse against thee that he that was Immediately called sent doth there witnesse the same and as for pretences we doe not pretend to be Immediately called and sent but we witnesse that we are and so witnesse with him that thou accusest and all thy Mediate calls sendings will not prove thee to be as Paul Timothy was that had the gift within him and the testimony by the holy Ghost as they had And for Rich Farneworth in that Booke called Light risen out of darknesse P 16. saying The Apostle had a free spirit and was chargeable to no man but preached freely he witnesseth the same and said also that he Coveted no mans silver nor gold nor apparell but preached the Gospel freely his hands ministred to his necessities That is truth and will stand as a witnesse against all proud Covetous selfe-seeking hireling Priests in Scotland elsewhere and at the Truth which witnesses against your deceit thou art offended And where thou sayes wee pretend to be Immediately taught wee doe not pretend so to be as I said before but we witnesse that we are so taught according to the promise of the Lord And thou that art not taught of him shews that thou speakes a vision of thy owne heart not from the Mouth of the Lord and for the true Prophets studying the word that is thy Imagination and contrary to Scripture for no prophecy of the Scripture came in old time by the will of man then not studied but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the holy Ghost and the Scripture is of no private Interpretation but thou that denies immediate teachings and saith the spirit is in the letter given by it thou may well accuse us falsely that so lyes against God his Spirit to manifest to all the children of Light that thou art ignorant of him and never was called nor sent by him but ran as the false Prophets did and so doth not profit the people at all Jere 23 Chapter Concerning Questions And as for Questions The Novices shall stand for your scorners and deceivers who are puft up in Pride and Conceits And where thou sayes They deny or say Questions are of the Devill such Questions as are of the Devill we deny But we owne Questions in their place and therefore thou hast cast that out as a slaunder but it is turned backe upon thee againe receive it into thy old bottle from whence it came To that of thine concerning Civill honour c. Civillity and honour wee owne and knows to whom honour is due to whom it is not for if I honour a proud man for his pride I dishonour God in so doing for pride is one of the abominations and if I honour a covetous man and an oppressor for his covetousnesse and oppression I should offend God in so doing or if I honour the Serpent and his seed But all men that are joyned to the Lord and walke in union with him and his seed I honour love and this I speake in sincerity and yet besides all this I can love my enemies But to follow foolish idle fancies to worship men with cap and knee and flatteries as the Serpents feed doe and which thou pleads for we doe that deny against it testifie how can yee beleive that seeks honour one of another seeks not the honour that cometh of God onely Joh 5.44 and what the Scriptures doe allow we doe know without thy ranking together but where doth the Scripture say put off your hatts and flatter with your tongues as proud flesh and deceit and such as thou dost or where doth it say respect the rich and disrespect the poore Are you not partiall and of them that have mens persons in admiration because of advantage have respect to persons for selfe-ends and so are Infidells and out of the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ which is not with such respect of persons for selfe-ends and carnall considerations Concerning Oaths And where thou sayes They take up the words of Christ Math 5.34 Sweare not at all as they doe other Scriptures against his meaning as if they did absolutely exhibit all oaths before a Magistrate whereas thou sayes he forbids oaths onely by creatures heaven and earth a mans head c The same meaning thou sayes hath James Thou sayes Christ doth not forbid all oaths but by creatures onely here thou art a lyar of Christ and his words beares testimony against thee for he doth not forbid swearing by creatures onely but he forbids swearing by all things els whatsoever for he saith Sweare not at all neither by heaven for it is Gods Throne nor by earth for it is his footstoole and he that sweares not by heaven must not sweare by what is contained in it he that sweares not by earth must not sweare by what is contained in it but Christ forbids swearing by heaven and earth and so by things contained in them and likewise the Apostle James sayes Sweare not at all and if a man must not sweare at all then he must not sweare by a booke or any other thing And though thou plead against the doctrine
naturall as thou sayes but it is spirituall and such as love it bring their deeds to be tryed by it and with it the deceits is Judged and such as dwell in the Light that Judges in the particuler where it rules them and they are united to it may with it Judge and discerne betwixt truth and errour but such as with the Light have the deeds of darknesse discovered and hates the Light the Light is their condemnation as it is thine and they that are in union with corruptions as thou art they are not able to Judge of the things of God but erre in judgement that judgeth with evill thoughts as thou dost and hast done therefore judgements is to thy head and crown of deceit pride and vaine glory thou sayes one of them sayes the least degree of Light manifested in the creature is perfect in its measure and in its self few words by James Nayler let that book also witnesse against thy subtilty which is a witnesse against thy generation and thou goes on sayes if the Light be perfect both in its measure and in its selfe then it is perfect every way thou hast here confessed that if the Light be perfect in its measure and in its selfe then it is perfect every way but thy imaginations cannot finde out the highest degree that are not subject to the lowest but acts contrary to it and so to be condemned by it for it is perfect both in respect of its truth and sincerity power and authority and condemns the haters and resisters of it but guides and leads such as love and obey it into the life and power that they are able to comprehend with all Saints what is the height and depth and length and bredth of the love of God and they are in unity the highest and lowest in their measures and degrees according to the working of the divine power of God who worketh according to the good pleasure of his will and he that hath his sins covered is blessed but thy meaning is denied and no other Christ doe we owne but Christ which is the same yesterday to day and for ever who doth perfect them that he sanctifies and the righteousness of Christ is our righteousnesse who are saved from our sins by him and we witness him to be the alone Saviour of all that obey him and perfectly able to save to the uttermost all those that come unto God by him But all thy scraped up stuffe thy twistings and windings we deny who saith the spirit is in the letter and the spirit is given by the letter and saith The true Light to wit Christ that lighteth every man that cometh into the world with his light which thou sayes is naturall and common and saith that no man could know that he hath the witnesse in himselfe but by the Scriptures and so thou would have the Spirit to be bought sold if it were in the Letter to be given by it And thou would have a letter-Saviour if the letter could give the spirit eternall life And thou would have a letter-fulnesse and no witnesse of God without the letter and if the letter should be lost the fulnesse and the witnesse would be lost and so have God to be without witnesses and his people without supply and strength according to thy account for thou sayes that none could know that he that beleiveth hath the witnesse in himselfe but by the Scriptures here thou sets the Scripture in the roome of God and of Christ gives all the preheminence to the letter of the Scripture and not to Christ and that is contrary to the Scriptures for he to wit Christ is before all things and by him all things consist and he is the head of the body the Church who is the beginning and first borne from the dead that in all things hee might have the preheminence for in him the fulnesse dwells then not in the Letter yet the Letter declares of it Colos 1.17 18 19. Concerning Quaking trembling and Growth in Grace c. Thou sayes they professe Quaking and trembling after the manner of Moses Habbakuck David Paul other and yet are some of them the most daring creatures that ever thou sayes thou heard speake or observed to put pen to paper will stand in an evill cause before Magistraces without Quaking or feare setting downe Rich Farnworth Reply 2.5 I Answer The same power that made Moses Habbacuck David Paul and the rest to Quake shake and tremble the same power wee witnesse and working out our salvation with feare and trembling God working in us to will and to doe also after his owne good pleasure and this is no contradiction to Scriptures but thou that speakes against the power of God that worketh effectually in his people as it did in them that witnessed Quaking trembling denies trembling and Quaking that proceeds from the power of God witnessed of in Scripture thou therein contradicts the Scripture and for that saying or falacy of thine where thou hast shot out thy sting in thy tayle saying we will stand in an Evill cause before Magistrates without Quaking or feare herein thou art taught thy gradations methodically in old Antichrists schoole to lye slander accuse falsely and jeere and cannot prove what thou hast said stop thy mouth deceiver and take in thy slander againe and as for being bold to witnesse the Truth against deceit that doth sore offend thee and such Scotch deceivers all deceivers such as thou art but the Lord maketh the righteous as bold as Lyons that he teacheth to profit and to grow from grace to grace to set forth his praise glory be to him for ever and where thou sayes they say they witnes the Saints Growth the time of pressing on to perfection art thou offended at that They that witnesse the same doe not therein crosse nor contradict the Scripture And where thou sayes they owne the fruits of the Spirit art thou offended also at that and doth the old Serpent teach thee to lye against the Spirit with the fruits of it them that are guided by it Rom 8.14 Gal 5 1 Joh 3. and falsely accuse them saying they walke in the most manifest fruits of the flesh in that all that feares God knows their godly conversation may witnesse against thee herein thou hast manifested thy spirit of errour deceit to be one that regards not what thou sayes as for scoffing at Scottish Priests or others that we deny but your raising motives tryalls points reasons and uses out of other mens words and speaking a divination of your owne braine for your owne ends by plaine Scripture you cannot it justifie therefore against you such deceivers as professe Scriptures to be your rule and act contrary to them we declare against you testifie and as for your formes of deceit we deny but a forme of sound words the Scripture doth justifie being