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A44785 Darknesse and ignorance Expelled by the light shining forth, and the appearance of the day. In answer to a book called, Innocents no saints. Published by one Edward Dodd, wherein he hath laboured to prove tythes lawfull, and tithing priests and hirelings to be the ministers of the word, and the masse-house the church; and calls idolatry civility, and heathenish complements courtesie, and hath perverted many Scriptures. His deceit laid open, his vindication made void, and his arguments confounded, and Truth laid open in all these particulars, for the sake of the upright in heart, who rejoyces in Truths prosperity. By one of the lambs followers, who makes warre against the heart of the dragon, and against the rear of the beast. F.H. Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669. 1659 (1659) Wing H3156; ESTC R215412 21,256 31

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as thou calls it metamorphize them into another shape witnesse the many publique Teachers and Parish-masters and tithing Priests in the dayes of Edward the sixth Henry the 8. Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeths dayes and now of late in the Bishops dayes when the Magistrates voted down the Bishops all or most of the Priests denied their Fathers and their institution and though they ordained them Ministers yet they denied them and now are got into their seats and Benefices and there thy Reader may see the metamorphosed changelings and the apostates and I do believe the County of Salop abounds with such like and they have been on the Stage long and have acted such a part in every generation as would please the present Authority or power whether they were Papists or Protestants Prelaticall or whatsoever but F. D the Exit will come and when the day appears the beasts must go into ●heir dens again and thou confesseth you live in apostatizing times thou that art among the Apostates and in the apostatizing age and time would accuse others Nay thou must hold thy peace and leave pleading for Apostates and for the fashions of the heathen which hath got up since the dayes of the apostacy which the whole scope of thy Book is full of nothing else and we cannot permit or allow them who are in the time of apostacy and who are one with the Apostates which have wandered after the Beast since the dayes of the Apostles I say we cannot allow such as you to be Judges for we are come out of the apostacy and to before the Apostates and to before the wandering Stars and thou hast mist it much that tells the Quakers are they Edward I tell thee we are come to the everlasting Gospell again and have received it and it 's the power of God which was to be and is to be preached again to the Nations after the apostacy And as for the Book called Malice stript whipt I have seen it and the spirit of thy Mr. Smith whom thou calls Reverend thou hast elevated him as high as the Pope but E. D. what is the reason thou reverencest him so much as thou doth to thy Reader And in the tenth page thou saist many souls depend upon his Ministery and thou blessest God for the worke of God you enjoy in that Congregation Thou hast extol'd him too highly or else he hath wronged thee grievously for thou saist thou hast profited much by him Thou mayest call to minde a certain time when he preached as you call it out of the 13 of Luke and when he spoke of the parable of the man that planted a Vineyard and 3 years looked for fruit and Sam Smith whom thou so adores said he had sought for fruit from your Congregation this 7 yeares at Cressage and had found none he shall be an evidence for me against thee that thy glorying of him is vain and it 's manifest he is one the Lord sent his Prophet to declare against who hath run and the Lord never sent him therefore he hath not profited you at Cressage at all lean souls are they like to be that depends on him In the first observation as thou calls it thou hast extracted the heads of Samuel Smiths Book into five particulars which thou saist we are ashamed to answer or else know not what to say for our defence I say unto thee boast not when thou putst on thy Armour but when thou putst it off for the victory may be doubtful THe first particular That the Nationall Ministers doth maintain the true worship of God and the Doctrine of Christ according to the revealed will of God Answ. So saying and so doing were something the true worship of God is in spirit and in truth which is not loe here and loe there nor in outward observations but in life in power and in truth But to be brief both the doctrine and practice of the Nationall Ministery in generall is contrary to the Scripture which thou calls the Word of God as for instance their sprinkling of Infants their teaching men to swear and calling it part of the worship of God which is contrary to the doctrine of Christ who said swear not at all Their singing Davids Psalms put into meeter by Poets and Ballad-mongers singing them in their invented tunes which pleaseth the carnall minde Their studied discourses which you call Sermons invented from the strength of naturall wit and not speaking as they are moved by the holy Ghost which the Ministers of Christ in all ages did In these and many other things which I could instance they are out of the Doctrine of Christ And in a word your whole worship differs both in matter and manner from the Saints worship in the primitive times But seeing we have denyed the Nationall Ministers divers years ago and have laid down our grounds and reasons to the world wherein we have charged them that their practice is contrary to Scripture unto which grounds and reasons not one Parish-master in England hath yet vindicated themselves these sixe years And unto that Book called The Grounds and Reasons why we deny the Priests if the Reader be not satisfied concerning them there he may see how they erre both in Doctrine and practice contrary to Scriptures To the second and third Particular That the present government of the Nation is the Ordinance of God and that the Ministers bringing offenders before the Magistate is not persecution As for the present government of the Nation the lawfulnesse thereof is not in question by us but many who are governours and should be Executors of the Law have acted contrary to Law being stirred up by the Priests who bite with their teeth if one put not into their mouths and hath caused the just to suffer by giving judgement against them in their wills contrary to Law or else according to those Lawes which hath been made in the will of man in the transgression under which we have suffered for the truths sake and therein have peace And as for Ministers bringing offenders before Magistrates that is an usurped authority to make a Minister a Magistrate but Edward what was the offence because a company of people came to Cressage and declared the word of truth in your Streets and what if it had been in your Assembly this was no offence in the Church of Corinth where all might speak one by one although it s become an offence in your Masse-house at Cressage but the Reader may judge in whose steps thou and thy Priest walkes you have done the offence and then accuseth others to the Magistrates as offenders Let shame cover your lips you impudent men Hath not Samuel Smith in his own Narration in his book said that William Parrat Constable and Humphrey Dale Church-warden according to the Ministers direction did pull down the Quakers Speaker charging some to secure him And others also of your own County secured by the instigation of the Priest by